permitted bodywork repairs
andyv
is permissible to pass the MOT and meet other UK regulations.
I had a rather ratty VW camper which I ran for several years, but had
no real problems with the MOT. I had many of the panels held together
with pop rivets and metal sheets - I even used a coke can once in an
emergency. There was a very liberal application of filler and
fibreglass on the wheel arches, and I made sure there were no sharp
edges. This was all on the non structural areas though. Anything like
seat belt mounts and chassis members were welded solid, and I always
made sure that brakes, suspension, steering etc were OK.
I've now got a much better camper, but I'm being told that repairs must
all be seam welded even in non structural areas. Is this so?
SteveH
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saying :
> I've been discussing on another group what standard of bodywork repair
> is permissible to pass the MOT and meet other UK regulations.
<sigh>
'ere we go again...
EVERYTHING you need to know about how to fail the MOT is at
http://www,motuk.co.uk - and, yes, I did mean "How to fail", because the
default is to PASS. A vehicle will only fail if it actually *meets*
explicitly listed fail points.
> I had a rather ratty VW camper which I ran for several years, but had
> no real problems with the MOT. I had many of the panels held together
> with pop rivets and metal sheets - I even used a coke can once in an
> emergency. There was a very liberal application of filler and
> fibreglass on the wheel arches, and I made sure there were no sharp
> edges. This was all on the non structural areas though. Anything like
> seat belt mounts and chassis members were welded solid, and I always
> made sure that brakes, suspension, steering etc were OK.
> I've now got a much better camper, but I'm being told that repairs must
> all be seam welded even in non structural areas. Is this so?
http://www.motuk.co.uk/manual_610.htm
The MOT only gives a toss within certain specific areas - all repairs
within those areas must be to the same standard as original. Outside those
areas, no sharp edges.
If there wasn't any join there, then it should be seam welded.
If a complete panel has been let in, then it should be at least spot welded
to the original standard, with a similar amount of welds.
andyv
changed.
Conor
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Fred
"andyv" <ave...@fastmail.fm> wrote in message
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Non structural areas can be repaired without seam welding but! if a vehicle
looks "ratty" then most test centers won't want to MOT it, I would fail
everything I possibly could and advise as little as possible ( on tidy
vehicles I try to pass and advise as much as possible). Very few MOT
stations are ever given grief by VOSA for being too strict but loads are
fined and made to retake courses for letting things through, A class 4
testing station cost around £20000 to set up, an MOT cost's £1.44p and can
be sold for £44 , why would anyone want to risk that sort of money on a
ratty old VW camper ?
SteveH
> > I've now got a much better camper, but I'm being told that repairs must
> > all be seam welded even in non structural areas. Is this so?
>
> Non structural areas can be repaired without seam welding but! if a vehicle
> looks "ratty" then most test centers won't want to MOT it, I would fail
> everything I possibly could and advise as little as possible ( on tidy
> vehicles I try to pass and advise as much as possible). Very few MOT
> stations are ever given grief by VOSA for being too strict but loads are
> fined and made to retake courses for letting things through, A class 4
> testing station cost around £20000 to set up, an MOT cost's £1.44p and can
> be sold for £44 , why would anyone want to risk that sort of money on a
> ratty old VW camper ?
You pathetic little cunt.
I have a car that looks a bit rough around the edges, but mechanically
and structurally is no expense spared.
I take it you'd deliberately set out to find something pedantic to fail
it on, then?
On the other hand, I know people with cars that are only a few years
old, have never seen any maintenance, but are nice and shiny. Obviously,
you'd just have a quick look over them and let 'em back out on the
street.
ffs! No wonder people with a bit of knowledge distrust MOT stations.
Dave
"SteveH" <st...@italiancar.co.uk> wrote in message
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> Fred <Don't-...@hidden.co.us> wrote:
>
>> > I've now got a much better camper, but I'm being told that repairs must
>> > all be seam welded even in non structural areas. Is this so?
>>
>> Non structural areas can be repaired without seam welding but! if a
>> vehicle
>> looks "ratty" then most test centers won't want to MOT it, I would fail
>> everything I possibly could and advise as little as possible ( on tidy
>> vehicles I try to pass and advise as much as possible). Very few MOT
>> stations are ever given grief by VOSA for being too strict but loads are
>> fined and made to retake courses for letting things through, A class 4
>> testing station cost around £20000 to set up, an MOT cost's £1.44p and
>> can
>> be sold for £44 , why would anyone want to risk that sort of money on a
>> ratty old VW camper ?
>
> You pathetic little cunt.
>
> I have a car that looks a bit rough around the edges, but mechanically
> and structurally is no expense spared.
>
> I take it you'd deliberately set out to find something pedantic to fail
> it on, then?
Much as I hate to say it but you've done wonders for my confidence in the
current MOT system Fred. Perhaps you could share the particular garage name
that you work at? I would certainly love to be employed by VOSA to bring a
sad looking but perfectly MOT'able car into your place! Is it any wonder
cars fail at some places and yet pass at others with people like Fred that
look at a car and decide it's failed anyway! :(
Paul Cummins
Don't-...@hidden.co.us (Fred) wrote:
> if a vehicle
> looks "ratty" then most test centers won't want to MOT it, I would
> fail everything I possibly could and advise as little as possible (
> on tidy vehicles I try to pass and advise as much as possible).
Well, now I know why my Escort failed on things that it had previously
passed on, just because it looked a bit scrappy.
Funny how I then had to pay for 2 wishbones, but you only fitted one!
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Guy King
from "Fred" <Don't-...@hidden.co.us> contains these words:
> Non structural areas can be repaired without seam welding but! if a vehicle
> looks "ratty" then most test centers won't want to MOT it, I would fail
> everything I possibly could and advise as little as possible ( on tidy
> vehicles I try to pass and advise as much as possible).
You don't harf come out with some complete bollocks sometimes.
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SimonJ
> vehicle looks "ratty" then most test centers won't want to MOT it, I would
> fail everything I possibly could and advise as little as possible ( on
> tidy vehicles I try to pass and advise as much as possible).
biasing MOT results depending on how the vehicle looks.
reg
"Fred" <Don't-...@hidden.co.us> wrote in message
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>
> "andyv" <ave...@fastmail.fm> wrote in message
> news:1160850601.8...@i42g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
>> I've been discussing on another group what standard of bodywork repair
>> is permissible to pass the MOT and meet other UK regulations.
>>
>> I had a rather ratty VW camper which I ran for several years, but had
>> no real problems with the MOT. I had many of the panels held together
>> with pop rivets and metal sheets - I even used a coke can once in an
>> emergency. There was a very liberal application of filler and
>> fibreglass on the wheel arches, and I made sure there were no sharp
>> edges. This was all on the non structural areas though. Anything like
>> seat belt mounts and chassis members were welded solid, and I always
>> made sure that brakes, suspension, steering etc were OK.
>>
>> I've now got a much better camper, but I'm being told that repairs must
>> all be seam welded even in non structural areas. Is this so?
>
> Non structural areas can be repaired without seam welding but! if a
> vehicle looks "ratty" then most test centers won't want to MOT it, I would
> fail everything I possibly could and advise as little as possible ( on
> tidy vehicles I try to pass and advise as much as possible).
WTF !!! im an mot tester & that certainly isn't ours or VOSA's policy !!!!
you can not refuse to test a vehicle unless its not within the test class
you are allowed to test or it falls into the refusal to test criteria,
you've not only done your self a dis-service but all the other mot testers &
centres that do a bloody good job !!!
why should a tatty vehicle be less likely to fail/pass then a clean one ?
all vehicles are treated to the same criteria as per the manual & as for
advising as little possible, you living in a dream world mate, you advise as
much possible, if you've every been on any VOSA refresher course's the
phrase C.Y.A springs to mind Cover Your Arse. you advise on anything that is
remotely iffy & another phrase is used PANDA, Pass And
Advise......................over to you !
David R
news:rKOdnZwG3dg...@pipex.net...
>> You pathetic little cunt.
>>
>> I have a car that looks a bit rough around the edges, but mechanically
>> and structurally is no expense spared.
>>
>> I take it you'd deliberately set out to find something pedantic to fail
>> it on, then?
>
> Much as I hate to say it but you've done wonders for my confidence in the
> current MOT system Fred. Perhaps you could share the particular garage
> name that you work at? I would certainly love to be employed by VOSA to
> bring a sad looking but perfectly MOT'able car into your place! Is it any
> wonder cars fail at some places and yet pass at others with people like
> Fred that look at a car and decide it's failed anyway! :(
Fred's probably one of the toe-rags that works at Kwik-Fit :-)
David R
>>
>> I have a car that looks a bit rough around the edges, but mechanically
>> and structurally is no expense spared.
>>
>> I take it you'd deliberately set out to find something pedantic to fail
>> it on, then?
>
> Much as I hate to say it but you've done wonders for my confidence in the
> current MOT system Fred. Perhaps you could share the particular garage
> name that you work at? I would certainly love to be employed by VOSA to
> bring a sad looking but perfectly MOT'able car into your place! Is it any
> wonder cars fail at some places and yet pass at others with people like
> Fred that look at a car and decide it's failed anyway! :(
Well, it's probably in York, as that's where he appears to live. Shouldn't
take long to track him down:-
http://www.vevers.me.uk/files/westyvanfest.jpg
Registrant:
enviromental consultants (andrew vevers)
Registrant type:
Not supplied
Administrative contact's address:
Rhodes House
St Leonard Gate
Lancaster
Lancs LA1 1NN
Englandhttp://www.whois.net/whois_new.cgi?d=www.environmentalconsultants.co.ukAnd
so on.You need to *prove* someone is pissing about with MOT's though.
Conor
> Non structural areas can be repaired without seam welding but! if a vehicle
> looks "ratty" then most test centers won't want to MOT it, I would fail
> everything I possibly could and advise as little as possible
Do that on my car you cunt and I'd make sure VOSA took away your MOTers
certificate.
PC Paul
> In article <deWdnRJYKobh66zY...@pipex.net>, Fred says...
>
>> Non structural areas can be repaired without seam welding but! if a
>> vehicle looks "ratty" then most test centers won't want to MOT it, I
>> would fail everything I possibly could and advise as little as
>> possible
>
> Do that on my car you cunt and I'd make sure VOSA took away your
> MOTers certificate.
Well, to be fair your car is *VERY* ratty....
Martin
"David R" <dav...@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
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Oh, it gets better, Fred (or should I call him Edwin) is *only* a tyre
fitter.
Conor
says...
inner wing last week. It's just terrible.
http://www.computershack.karoo.net/cars/struttop.jpg
http://www.computershack.karoo.net/cars/DSC00003.JPG
I should hang my head in shame at having such shite workmanship on my
car. I mean the welding looks crap and the paint is just horrific....
Conor
> Oh, it gets better, Fred (or should I call him Edwin) is *only* a tyre
> fitter.
>
When I was doing my C&G at College, they taught a guy with Downs
Syndrome how to fit tyres. The guy used to do a cracking job and a
local firm took him on.
DougP
> In article <QhqYg.139166$aP3.1...@fe3.news.blueyonder.co.uk>, PC Paul
> says...
>> Conor wrote:
>>> In article <deWdnRJYKobh66zY...@pipex.net>, Fred says...
>>>
>>>> Non structural areas can be repaired without seam welding but! if a
>>>> vehicle looks "ratty" then most test centers won't want to MOT it, I
>>>> would fail everything I possibly could and advise as little as
>>>> possible
>>> Do that on my car you cunt and I'd make sure VOSA took away your
>>> MOTers certificate.
>> Well, to be fair your car is *VERY* ratty....
>>
> Indeed. Just look at the shite strut top repair I got done on the
> inner wing last week. It's just terrible.
>
> http://www.computershack.karoo.net/cars/struttop.jpg
> http://www.computershack.karoo.net/cars/DSC00003.JPG
>
> I should hang my head in shame at having such shite workmanship on my
> car. I mean the welding looks crap and the paint is just horrific....
>
>
I remember a Ford main dealer doing the same repair to my own Red 2.0
Laser back in 1996. By comparison with yours Conor, they did a very
amateur job.
Doug .... starting to miss his old Capri......
Dave
> Well you tracked me down OK. Well done, but I'm the original poster.
Nor am I the one that "tracked you down". :)
David R
> Well you tracked me down OK. Well done, but I'm the original poster.
> campers, even a picture of me, on the web site address you've kindly
> posted.
>
> Andrew Vevers
Lol, a nice mistake if ever there was one. I did figure from the website
that you looked like a respectable chap, sorry about that ;)
Still, anybody after some tea and crumpets should be welcomed I imagine.
PC Paul
LOL watch that wild fingerpointing...
PC Paul
Careful. Apparently Fred has a Forklift truck licence and is an HGV Class 1
instructor as well as an MOT merchant.
Or, if you listen to anybody *except* Fred, he's just a tyre fitter.
Hmm. I wonder.
Martin
"Conor" <conor....@gmail.com> wrote in message
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In article <4pf2geF...@individual.net>, Martin says...
>> Oh, it gets better, Fred (or should I call him Edwin) is *only* a tyre
>> fitter.
>>
> When I was doing my C&G at College, they taught a guy with Downs
> Syndrome how to fit tyres. The guy used to do a cracking job and a
> local firm took him on.
It certainly wasn't Edwin then.
adde...@yahoo.co.uk
> The MOT only gives a toss within certain specific areas - all repairs
> within those areas must be to the same standard as original. Outside those
> areas, no sharp edges.
>
For th epurposes of not failing an MoT repairs must *appear* to be to
the same standard as original. That's why fibreglass repairs in
structural areas often pass an MoT. There's no obiligation to prove
that repairs have been done to a proper standard. I've seen in one
MoT place a sign that says if we fail your car because it needs welding
we will only retest if the repairs haven't been painted or oversealed.
Chris Whelan
How would they have detected a fibreglass repair if it had been done before
the initial test then?
The manual does allow for testing and rejection of "repair by filler":
"Excessively corroded metal, or metal treated with filler, emits a duller
sound than does unaffected metal. It is not necessary to apply heavy impact
blows or to use a sharp instrument to 'dig' at the structure."
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You would have loved my multicoloured Skoda Estelle then.
Some panels brush painted. Badly rubbed down filler in dents by a
previous owner, rips in the vinyl roof.
Uey underneath, every expense spent on fixing previous visible and non
visible floorpan and chassis corrosion followed by proper stripping, de-
rusting and re-sealing. It passed every MOT I put it through. From the
top it looked like a shit heap with pitting and paint slopped in to stop
further rusting.
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Conor
> I remember a Ford main dealer doing the same repair to my own Red 2.0
> Laser back in 1996. By comparison with yours Conor, they did a very
> amateur job.
>
I've seen and had the standard garage patch plate jobs on my own cars
in the past. Didn't fancy an old bit of scrap shoved on and birdshit
welding round the outside of it.
> Doug .... starting to miss his old Capri......
>
Plenty out there...far cheaper than MK1/2 essies.