Escort RS Turbo conversion?
Ian Scott
off the old engine. Now I'm told that the engines are all identical apart
from one part - although I can't remember what it is. Is it possible to
convert my engine over to an RS Turbo as I know where there is an RS Turbo
which engine is knackered but all the injection unit, turbocharger, wiring
loom is there. Could anyone tell me if this is possible and if not, why.
Also, since having that engine put in the car, it has a problem with warm
starts. It will usually start as normal when cold, but as soon as the engine
is up to temp, it will turn over very slowly and not start. Jump starting and
bump starting the car works, but it will not start on its own until it cools
down.
Solutions?
Ian Scott.
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"Ian Scott" <ian....@soundsriscy.freeserve.com.uk> wrote in message
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> I recently had an XR2 engine put in my XR3i, which used the injection unit
> off the old engine. Now I'm told that the engines are all identical apart
> from one part - although I can't remember what it is. Is it possible to
> convert my engine over to an RS Turbo as I know where there is an RS Turbo
> which engine is knackered but all the injection unit, turbocharger, wiring
> loom is there. Could anyone tell me if this is possible and if not, why.
>
> Also, since having that engine put in the car, it has a problem with warm
> starts. It will usually start as normal when cold, but as soon as the
engine
> is up to temp, it will turn over very slowly and not start. Jump starting
and
> bump starting the car works, but it will not start on its own until it
cools
> down.
>
> Solutions?
>
> Ian Scott.
I have no idea regarding the similarities of the engines, but I had a
similar hot start problem a few years ago that turned out to be the starter
motor.
Good Luck
Dave J
Grunty
I looked into doing the same thing myself. Unfortunatley the
compression ratios are different between the XR3i and the RS
Turbo (the RS Turbo compression is lower) and if you were to
just bolt on the Turbo and the necessary ancillaries it would
kill the engine very quickly. Mind you it would be quicker than
a standard RS turbo.
You also have to change all the fuel system over as the XR3i
runs a mechanical fuel injection (K-Jetronic) and the RS Turbo
runs the electronic fuel injection (KE-Jetronic). You also have
to take out the management system and the wiring loom.
It's a hell of a lot of work, although I think I saw an advert
for a company doing the conversion for around GBP£1900, can't
remember where and I don't know if they supplied the engine or
not. Maybe someone else in the group knows? Any help anyone?
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>I recently had an XR2 engine put in my XR3i, which used the injection unit
>off the old engine. Now I'm told that the engines are all identical apart
>from one part - although I can't remember what it is. Is it possible to
>convert my engine over to an RS Turbo as I know where there is an RS Turbo
>which engine is knackered but all the injection unit, turbocharger, wiring
>loom is there. Could anyone tell me if this is possible and if not, why.
>
>Also, since having that engine put in the car, it has a problem with warm
>starts. It will usually start as normal when cold, but as soon as the engine
>is up to temp, it will turn over very slowly and not start. Jump starting and
>bump starting the car works, but it will not start on its own until it cools
>down.
>
>Solutions?
>
>Ian Scott.
>
standard engine you will just blow the thing to bits. Any egine can be
turbo charged if you can afford the cost to convert it , about 1.5 to
2k. You will also need the injection control unit of the RS Turbo. I
would just buy an RS Turbo if you want one , there cheap enough and a
great drive , its the insurance thats the killer.
Cream
Ian Scott
Grunty <grunty10...@yahoo.com.invalid> wrote:
> In reply to Ian Scott:
>
> I looked into doing the same thing myself. Unfortunatley the
> compression ratios are different between the XR3i and the RS
> Turbo (the RS Turbo compression is lower) and if you were to
> just bolt on the Turbo and the necessary ancillaries it would
> kill the engine very quickly. Mind you it would be quicker than
> a standard RS turbo.
I realise this, which is why I asked what exactly is different, so the engine
could be modified. I know the compression ratios are different.
> You also have to change all the fuel system over as the XR3i runs a
> mechanical fuel injection (K-Jetronic) and the RS Turbo runs the electronic
> fuel injection (KE-Jetronic). You also have to take out the management
> system and the wiring loom.
My car is a B-reg 1.6i Cabriolet, which has an ECU behind the dash. I believe
my engine unit is the KE-Jetronic, although not the same as the turbos. Its
definately different to my mates cabriolets, which are C and E's.
> It's a hell of a lot of work, although I think I saw an advert for a
> company doing the conversion for around GBP£1900, can't remember where and
> I don't know if they supplied the engine or not. Maybe someone else in the
> group knows? Any help anyone?
Two of my mates with Cabriolets have done the conversion themselves, one got
all the bits together from various places, the other bought the full lot from
someone. Fitting it my problem, I just need to know what I need, as my mates
have quite a few things spare.
Ian Scott.
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a.j....@dl.ac.uk (Andy Moss) wrote:
> Ian Scott <ian....@soundsriscy.freeserve.com.uk> wrote:
> >I recently had an XR2 engine put in my XR3i, which used the injection unit
> >off the old engine. Now I'm told that the engines are all identical apart
> >from one part - although I can't remember what it is. Is it possible to
> >convert my engine over to an RS Turbo as I know where there is an RS Turbo
> >which engine is knackered but all the injection unit, turbocharger, wiring
> >loom is there. Could anyone tell me if this is possible and if not, why.
> The compression ratio's are differant, if you bolt the turbo on a standard
> engine you will just blow the thing to bits. Any egine can be turbo charged
> if you can afford the cost to convert it , about 1.5 to 2k. You will also
> need the injection control unit of the RS Turbo. I would just buy an RS
> Turbo if you want one , there cheap enough and a great drive , its the
> insurance thats the killer.
I'm quite happy with my Cabriolet, however, I want my car turbocharged. Yes,
I know you can pick up cheap RS Turbos, there was a Q-plate 90 spec one for
800 quid round here. I was thinking of buying it for the recaros, bonnet and
engine for my car.
Ian Scott.
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matthew jordan
the 2 engine do look similar but are different internally so you cannot use
yours also the injection system is totally different and runs off an ECU
whereas yours doesn't
"David A. Jameson" <jame...@kornet.net> wrote in message
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> "Ian Scott" <ian....@soundsriscy.freeserve.com.uk> wrote in message
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unit
> > off the old engine. Now I'm told that the engines are all identical
apart
> > from one part - although I can't remember what it is. Is it possible to
> > convert my engine over to an RS Turbo as I know where there is an RS
Turbo
> > which engine is knackered but all the injection unit, turbocharger,
wiring
> > loom is there. Could anyone tell me if this is possible and if not, why.
> >
warm
> > starts. It will usually start as normal when cold, but as soon as the
> engine
> > is up to temp, it will turn over very slowly and not start. Jump
starting
> and
> > bump starting the car works, but it will not start on its own until it
> cools
> > down.
> >
> > Solutions?
> >
> > Ian Scott.
>
XRT
interested. Modified engine, Magnex exhaust, BBR Reboost, dump valve etc.
Whole car for £1500. Receipts for over £1000
Fife / Scotland area
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Ian Scott <ian....@soundsriscy.freeserve.com.uk> wrote in message
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> In message <391a2090....@news.dl.ac.uk>
> a.j....@dl.ac.uk (Andy Moss) wrote:
>
> > Ian Scott <ian....@soundsriscy.freeserve.com.uk> wrote:
> > >I recently had an XR2 engine put in my XR3i, which used the injection
unit
> > >off the old engine. Now I'm told that the engines are all identical
apart
> > >from one part - although I can't remember what it is. Is it possible to
> > >convert my engine over to an RS Turbo as I know where there is an RS
Turbo
> > >which engine is knackered but all the injection unit, turbocharger,
wiring
> > >loom is there. Could anyone tell me if this is possible and if not,
why.
>
Ian Scott
"matthew jordan" <mcjj...@btinternet.com> wrote:
> you can change it over but its not as simple as you might think
> the 2 engine do look similar but are different internally so you cannot use
> yours also the injection system is totally different and runs off an ECU
> whereas yours doesn't
Actually, my car DOES run the injection unit off an ECU. It is a B-reg 1.6i
Cabriolet Convertible, when I bought it, it looked like a Mk3 and it had RS
badges on the wings, it has now been converted to Mk4 spec - wings, bonnet,
bumpers, lights. Now I think at some point someone has done the conversion to
an RS1600i, although the old engine didn't have the ribbed RS1600i rocker
cover, but on one of the many times I've been stopped by the police, they say
it didn't have the original engine in. Does anyone know, was there an RS1600i
Cabriolet?
However, I know they are different, I was only enquiring about the actual
engine block itself, which is stated in the original message, as I can get
everything I need apart from the engine block itself, which is why I asked
could mine be converted.
Ian Scott.
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The loom is easy once you strip it back there are only 5-7 wires that
actually need joining into the original loom. that is much easier than
swapping the whole loom, everything else is all bolt on, nothing major at
all
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> In reply to Ian Scott:
>
> I looked into doing the same thing myself. Unfortunatley the
> compression ratios are different between the XR3i and the RS
> Turbo (the RS Turbo compression is lower) and if you were to
> just bolt on the Turbo and the necessary ancillaries it would
> kill the engine very quickly. Mind you it would be quicker than
> a standard RS turbo.
>
> runs a mechanical fuel injection (K-Jetronic) and the RS Turbo
> runs the electronic fuel injection (KE-Jetronic). You also have
> to take out the management system and the wiring loom.
>
> for a company doing the conversion for around GBP£1900, can't
> remember where and I don't know if they supplied the engine or
> not. Maybe someone else in the group knows? Any help anyone?
>
>
> In article <8fao3s$169$1...@news2.kornet.net>, "David A. Jameson"
> >
> >"Ian Scott" <ian....@soundsriscy.freeserve.com.uk> wrote in
> message
> >news:49BB98B7CD%ian....@soundsriscy.freeserve.com.uk...
> >> I recently had an XR2 engine put in my XR3i, which used the
> injection unit
> >> off the old engine. Now I'm told that the engines are all
> identical apart
> >> from one part - although I can't remember what it is. Is it
> possible to
> >> convert my engine over to an RS Turbo as I know where there
> is an RS Turbo
> >> which engine is knackered but all the injection unit,
> turbocharger, wiring
> >> loom is there. Could anyone tell me if this is possible and
> if not, why.
> >>
> problem with warm
> >> starts. It will usually start as normal when cold, but as
> soon as the
> >engine
> >> is up to temp, it will turn over very slowly and not start.
> Jump starting
> >and
> >> bump starting the car works, but it will not start on its own
> until it
> >cools
> >> down.
> >>
> >> Solutions?
> >>
> >> Ian Scott.
> >
> >I have no idea regarding the similarities of the engines, but I
> had a
> >similar hot start problem a few years ago that turned out to be
> the starter
> >motor.
> >Good Luck
> >Dave J
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
sharon.bush
1) The Rs turbo pistons are low compression. You must use these.
2) Apart from detailing, the rest of the engine is the same, as long as
you dont use a carb head which had leanburn combustion chambers.
3) You really must use the rs turbos Bosch KE Jetronic loom and ecu`s
(there are 2!!) because..........
A turbocharged engine has very high ignition advance off boost to overcome
the lack of torque inherent in low compression engines.
However, on boost (i.e.. above atmospheric pressure of 1bar ) the ignition
ecu will retard the timing dependant on the boost pressure, this is
necessary to overcome the unavoidable detonation problems. The XR3i system,
Bosch K Jetronic, WILL NOT fuel correctly for boost conditions, as it is
mapped for atmospheric pressure of 1bar vaccuum NOT BOOST!!!
4) use a suitable actuator to run 8 psi boost with the amal valve
inline, the overboost is set to 10psi on most series 2 ecus.(unless chipped
of course.)
5) Dont worry if you cant find a series 2 turbo unit. The only
difference of interest is the series one was aircooled and the series two
was watercooled.
I have built many of these conversions over the years, for more info or to
contact me, take a look at my website
www.motorsport-developments.co.uk
Good luck
stu (director)