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Stephen
Dec 21, 2014, 3:25:30 AM12/21/14
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Hello,
Just as it has started to get cold outside, it's time to change my
brake pads. Why can't these things wear out in the summer ;)
I have a 60 plate Mondeo. Looking at eurocarpart's web site they sell
Pagid, Eicher, TRW, ATE, Textar, and Bosch pads for my car. So which
of these are good makes, which are budget, and which are ones to
avoid?
My other option is to buy from the dealer but that is twice the price
of some of those listed above. I don't mind paying twice as much if
they are twice the quality. Are the Ford ones superior or are they one
of the above re-badged? Or is one of the above better than Ford?
I am open to looking at a different make from a different supplier, if
you can recommend any other web site to purchase from?
I knew that the pads were low and it's my own fault for not doing this
sooner, but the rear pad is really quite worn so I need to change it
ASAP. It looks like it has scored the disc last night. So I want to
get everything changed in the next day or two. Should I change the
disc too. How scored does it have to be to warrant changing the disc?
Back on eurocarparts they sell Pagid, Eicher, and Bosch. Which of
these is best or shall I go to Ford? Perhaps one of these is better
than Ford?
Thanks,
Stephen.
Just as it has started to get cold outside, it's time to change my
brake pads. Why can't these things wear out in the summer ;)
I have a 60 plate Mondeo. Looking at eurocarpart's web site they sell
Pagid, Eicher, TRW, ATE, Textar, and Bosch pads for my car. So which
of these are good makes, which are budget, and which are ones to
avoid?
My other option is to buy from the dealer but that is twice the price
of some of those listed above. I don't mind paying twice as much if
they are twice the quality. Are the Ford ones superior or are they one
of the above re-badged? Or is one of the above better than Ford?
I am open to looking at a different make from a different supplier, if
you can recommend any other web site to purchase from?
I knew that the pads were low and it's my own fault for not doing this
sooner, but the rear pad is really quite worn so I need to change it
ASAP. It looks like it has scored the disc last night. So I want to
get everything changed in the next day or two. Should I change the
disc too. How scored does it have to be to warrant changing the disc?
Back on eurocarparts they sell Pagid, Eicher, and Bosch. Which of
these is best or shall I go to Ford? Perhaps one of these is better
than Ford?
Thanks,
Stephen.
Scott M
Dec 21, 2014, 3:34:44 AM12/21/14
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Stephen wrote:
> I have a 60 plate Mondeo. Looking at eurocarpart's web site they sell
> Pagid, Eicher, TRW, ATE, Textar, and Bosch pads for my car. So which
> of these are good makes, which are budget, and which are ones to
> avoid?
Eicher are a made up ECP brand with crap chinky bits in the box.
> I have a 60 plate Mondeo. Looking at eurocarpart's web site they sell
> Pagid, Eicher, TRW, ATE, Textar, and Bosch pads for my car. So which
> of these are good makes, which are budget, and which are ones to
> avoid?
Any of the others'll be ok.
--
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Adrian
Dec 21, 2014, 4:48:17 AM12/21/14
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On Sun, 21 Dec 2014 08:34:44 +0000, Scott M wrote:
>> I have a 60 plate Mondeo. Looking at eurocarpart's web site they sell
>> Pagid, Eicher, TRW, ATE, Textar, and Bosch pads for my car. So which of
>> these are good makes, which are budget, and which are ones to avoid?
> Eicher are a made up ECP brand with crap chinky bits in the box.
Agreed.
>> I have a 60 plate Mondeo. Looking at eurocarpart's web site they sell
>> Pagid, Eicher, TRW, ATE, Textar, and Bosch pads for my car. So which of
>> these are good makes, which are budget, and which are ones to avoid?
> Eicher are a made up ECP brand with crap chinky bits in the box.
> Any of the others'll be ok.
being crap.
I'd go Bosch for almost anything, if there's a chance, because I like the
fact they're one of those rare things, an ethical corporation.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Bosch_Stiftung
ATE are one of the most common OEM manufacturers, Textar and Pagid both
good solid aftermarket brands.
Scott M
Dec 21, 2014, 4:57:44 AM12/21/14
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Adrian wrote:
> I'd go Bosch for almost anything, if there's a chance, because I like the
> fact they're one of those rare things, an ethical corporation.
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Bosch_Stiftung
It's funny, while I like and rate Bosch stuff highly, I've never thought
> I'd go Bosch for almost anything, if there's a chance, because I like the
> fact they're one of those rare things, an ethical corporation.
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Bosch_Stiftung
of them as doing friction materials. Must be a new bit.
Adrian
Dec 21, 2014, 5:00:42 AM12/21/14
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On Sun, 21 Dec 2014 09:57:43 +0000, Scott M wrote:
>> I'd go Bosch for almost anything, if there's a chance, because I like
>> the fact they're one of those rare things, an ethical corporation.
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Bosch_Stiftung
> It's funny, while I like and rate Bosch stuff highly, I've never thought
> of them as doing friction materials. Must be a new bit.
<quick google>
>> I'd go Bosch for almost anything, if there's a chance, because I like
>> the fact they're one of those rare things, an ethical corporation.
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Bosch_Stiftung
> It's funny, while I like and rate Bosch stuff highly, I've never thought
> of them as doing friction materials. Must be a new bit.
Bendix were bought by Allied Signal in the '80s.
Bosch bought Allied Signal in the '90s.
BUT... Bosch brakes aren't actually part of Bosch any more...!
http://www.chassisbrakes.com/?page_id=14
Scott M
Dec 21, 2014, 5:01:09 AM12/21/14
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Stephen wrote:
> I knew that the pads were low and it's my own fault for not doing this
> sooner, but the rear pad is really quite worn so I need to change it
> ASAP. It looks like it has scored the disc last night. So I want to
> get everything changed in the next day or two. Should I change the
> disc too. How scored does it have to be to warrant changing the disc?
How much life's left in the disc?
> I knew that the pads were low and it's my own fault for not doing this
> sooner, but the rear pad is really quite worn so I need to change it
> ASAP. It looks like it has scored the disc last night. So I want to
> get everything changed in the next day or two. Should I change the
> disc too. How scored does it have to be to warrant changing the disc?
How scored? If it's in one spot, less of a worry, if the whole thing's
starting to feel like an LP, be a shame to mash up the new pads.
Peter Hill
Dec 21, 2014, 5:18:39 AM12/21/14
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On 21/12/2014 09:48, Adrian wrote:
> I'd go Bosch for almost anything, if there's a chance, because I like the
> fact they're one of those rare things, an ethical corporation.
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Bosch_Stiftung
I find it strange that an ethical corp are involved with the Scuderi
> I'd go Bosch for almost anything, if there's a chance, because I like the
> fact they're one of those rare things, an ethical corporation.
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Bosch_Stiftung
engine and very unethical Scuderi family.
http://www.sec.gov/litigation/admin/2013/33-9407.pdf
Mrcheerful
Dec 21, 2014, 5:19:14 AM12/21/14
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On 21/12/2014 08:25, Stephen wrote:
> Hello,
>
> Just as it has started to get cold outside, it's time to change my
> brake pads. Why can't these things wear out in the summer ;)
>
> I have a 60 plate Mondeo. Looking at eurocarpart's web site they sell
> Pagid, Eicher, TRW, ATE, Textar, and Bosch pads for my car. So which
> of these are good makes, which are budget, and which are ones to
> avoid?
>
> My other option is to buy from the dealer but that is twice the price
> of some of those listed above. I don't mind paying twice as much if
> they are twice the quality. Are the Ford ones superior or are they one
> of the above re-badged? Or is one of the above better than Ford?
>
I fitted Mintex discs and pads all round on a mondeo in february, they
> Hello,
>
> Just as it has started to get cold outside, it's time to change my
> brake pads. Why can't these things wear out in the summer ;)
>
> I have a 60 plate Mondeo. Looking at eurocarpart's web site they sell
> Pagid, Eicher, TRW, ATE, Textar, and Bosch pads for my car. So which
> of these are good makes, which are budget, and which are ones to
> avoid?
>
> My other option is to buy from the dealer but that is twice the price
> of some of those listed above. I don't mind paying twice as much if
> they are twice the quality. Are the Ford ones superior or are they one
> of the above re-badged? Or is one of the above better than Ford?
>
were 120 quid for both ends from a car shop, Ford parts would probably
be nearly double.
Stephen
Dec 21, 2014, 5:33:43 AM12/21/14
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On Sun, 21 Dec 2014 09:48:13 +0000 (UTC), Adrian
<tooma...@gmail.com> wrote:
>I'd go Bosch for almost anything, if there's a chance, because I like the
>fact they're one of those rare things, an ethical corporation.
>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Bosch_Stiftung
>
>ATE are one of the most common OEM manufacturers, Textar and Pagid both
>good solid aftermarket brands.
Thanks for the fast replies.
<tooma...@gmail.com> wrote:
>I'd go Bosch for almost anything, if there's a chance, because I like the
>fact they're one of those rare things, an ethical corporation.
>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Bosch_Stiftung
>
>ATE are one of the most common OEM manufacturers, Textar and Pagid both
>good solid aftermarket brands.
I didn't know that about Bosch. Very interesting. By coincidence I've
got Bosch power tools, washing machine, dishwasher, etc. so I'm
pleased I'm a customer of a good company; like you say they are a rare
thing.
ECP gives the price of Bosch pads as £40 and £54. Strange how the rear
cost more than the front. Ford are doing an offer whereby they will
sell pads for £63 and £44, so the prices are not dissimilar. I wonder
who makes the Ford ones?
Will bear Pagid in mind if cannot get either of these.
When it comes to discs, ECP only sell Bosch rears (but that's ok, its
the rear I need) but they cost £38. From what I could see from a quick
look on the Internet, Ford charge £100 per disc, so I doubt I'll be
buying from Ford!
Thanks again,
Stephen.
Stephen
Dec 21, 2014, 5:37:44 AM12/21/14
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On Sun, 21 Dec 2014 08:34:44 +0000, Scott M <no_one@no_where.net>
wrote:
>
>Eicher are a made up ECP brand with crap chinky bits in the box.
I didn't know that. Thanks: that was just the pointer I was looking
for. I think it's always important not only to know what brands to
buy, but also to know which brands not to buy. I'll make sure I avoid
them in the future. Always good to buy (or not buy) based on personal
recommendation.
I might try to get Bosch today so that I can fit them today, rather
than wait for Ford to open tomorrow. Failing that, there's always
halfords. I wonder what they're like?
wrote:
>
>Eicher are a made up ECP brand with crap chinky bits in the box.
for. I think it's always important not only to know what brands to
buy, but also to know which brands not to buy. I'll make sure I avoid
them in the future. Always good to buy (or not buy) based on personal
recommendation.
I might try to get Bosch today so that I can fit them today, rather
than wait for Ford to open tomorrow. Failing that, there's always
halfords. I wonder what they're like?
steve robinson
Dec 21, 2014, 6:07:12 AM12/21/14
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you have nothing to worry about.
All pads have different wear and braking characteristics, generally the
cheaper units will wear far quicker and have less stopping power
especially in wet wether.
The mid range will last longer probably have better stopping power
better in wet weather
The top of the range products probably fall into two catorgaries those
that are very long lasting having similar stopping power to the mid
range and those that wear at a faster rate but have the best stopping
power.
You pays your money and takes your choice.
Assuming your Mondao is just a bog standard car and your not into high
milage or high speed driving any of the pads will be fine
Adrian
Dec 21, 2014, 6:25:38 AM12/21/14
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On Sun, 21 Dec 2014 11:06:50 +0000, steve robinson wrote:
> As long as the pads meet eu standards (which all of ECP products do) you
> have nothing to worry about.
Bwahahahahahaha...
> As long as the pads meet eu standards (which all of ECP products do) you
> have nothing to worry about.
Oh, wait. You're serious? Deargawd.
steve robinson
Dec 21, 2014, 6:58:10 AM12/21/14
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breif but simple explanation.
If your low milage just tottering around town at low speeds then any
eu approved pad for your particular model / make of vehicle will
suffice
I certainly wouldnt stick the cheap and chearful brands on my vehicles
but then i do high milage and travel at high speeds carrying heavy
loads (in the van anyway) so i need a better quality of pad co i stick
to pagid bembro or ebc preference being ebc from that range
Stephen
Dec 21, 2014, 6:58:51 AM12/21/14
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On Sun, 21 Dec 2014 11:06:50 +0000 (UTC), "steve robinson"
<st...@colevalleyinteriors.co.uk> wrote:
>The top of the range products probably fall into two catorgaries those
>that are very long lasting having similar stopping power to the mid
>range and those that wear at a faster rate but have the best stopping
>power
I just drive from A to B, so although I'm not a boy racer, I suppose
<st...@colevalleyinteriors.co.uk> wrote:
>The top of the range products probably fall into two catorgaries those
>that are very long lasting having similar stopping power to the mid
>range and those that wear at a faster rate but have the best stopping
>power
good wet braking and best stopping power are something I would pay
extra for, within reason. What makes do you think fall into this
category?
Stephen
Dec 21, 2014, 7:00:22 AM12/21/14
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On Sun, 21 Dec 2014 10:01:10 +0000, Scott M <no_one@no_where.net>
wrote:
>
disc, centre as in half way between the top and the bottom; not the
hole in the middle!
wrote:
>
>How much life's left in the disc?
>
>How scored? If it's in one spot, less of a worry, if the whole thing's
>starting to feel like an LP, be a shame to mash up the new pads.
It's only just happened. It is one groove in roughly the centre of the
>
>How scored? If it's in one spot, less of a worry, if the whole thing's
>starting to feel like an LP, be a shame to mash up the new pads.
disc, centre as in half way between the top and the bottom; not the
hole in the middle!
Stephen
Dec 21, 2014, 7:06:34 AM12/21/14
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On Sun, 21 Dec 2014 10:00:37 +0000 (UTC), Adrian
<tooma...@gmail.com> wrote:
>Bendix were bought by Allied Signal in the '80s.
>Bosch bought Allied Signal in the '90s.
>
>BUT... Bosch brakes aren't actually part of Bosch any more...!
>http://www.chassisbrakes.com/?page_id=14
Well now I am confused and don't know what to do!
<tooma...@gmail.com> wrote:
>Bendix were bought by Allied Signal in the '80s.
>Bosch bought Allied Signal in the '90s.
>
>BUT... Bosch brakes aren't actually part of Bosch any more...!
>http://www.chassisbrakes.com/?page_id=14
My own fault for leaving it to the last minute but now I am finding
that most places are closed on Sundays.
Halfrauds say they don't hold anything in stock and it must be
ordered.
Didn't think to look at GSF because my car isn't German, Swedish, or
French but I see they sell Vetec, Brembo, and Bendix. What are these
like? From what was said above are Bosch and Bendix the same?
It's all academic as GSF are closed today ;(
Another one that's closed sells Apec, Ferodo, and Trupart. I've heard
of Ferodo; last I heard they were considered quite good. Is that still
true? What of Apec and Trupart?
I have phone the independents who are open and I've a collection of
makes:
motor-something by Peugot Talbot
Mintec
Quinten hazel (shop said this is a budget brand)
Comline
Delphi
Of those, I have heard of Mintec but can't quite remember why.
Sorry to have listed so many makes. Some posters have replied they all
meet a minimum standard, so perhaps I should not worry to much and
just get on and fit them, but I don't mind paying a little more for
something better. It is brakes after all and I think like, tyres, they
are quite important.
steve robinson
Dec 21, 2014, 7:09:57 AM12/21/14
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more
EBC will cost around £30.00 for an oem set spec , about £45 for the
green pads which out perform the oem or up to around £65.00 a set for
the yellow stuff high performance track and street pads .
They do do others but these a strictly for track racing and not
suitable for using on the road
Stephen
Dec 21, 2014, 7:10:02 AM12/21/14
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On Sun, 21 Dec 2014 10:19:18 +0000, Mrcheerful
<g.odon...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>I fitted Mintex discs and pads all round on a mondeo in february, they
>were 120 quid for both ends from a car shop, Ford parts would probably
>be nearly double.
Hello,
<g.odon...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>I fitted Mintex discs and pads all round on a mondeo in february, they
>were 120 quid for both ends from a car shop, Ford parts would probably
>be nearly double.
I think I must have misheard the man on the phone. I thought he said
Mintec. Assuming it's the same brand, he quoted me £69.99 for a set of
rear discs, which ties in with your £120 for front and back.
The Mintex pads are £39.99 front and £29.99 rear so dearer than many
of the other brands mentioned (Halfords was really cheap for Pagid)
but less than Ford and Bosch, so I guess it is all relative.
Thanks,
Stephen.
Dave Plowman (News)
Dec 21, 2014, 7:10:48 AM12/21/14
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In article <oe0d9a9hr7sqg9vjd...@4ax.com>,
with them.
--
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Dave Plowman da...@davenoise.co.uk London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.
Stephen <inv...@invalid.org> wrote:
> I have a 60 plate Mondeo. Looking at eurocarpart's web site they sell
> Pagid, Eicher, TRW, ATE, Textar, and Bosch pads for my car. So which
> of these are good makes, which are budget, and which are ones to
> avoid?
I tend to go for ATE who are one of the OEM suppliers. Never had a problem
> I have a 60 plate Mondeo. Looking at eurocarpart's web site they sell
> Pagid, Eicher, TRW, ATE, Textar, and Bosch pads for my car. So which
> of these are good makes, which are budget, and which are ones to
> avoid?
with them.
--
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To e-mail, change noise into sound.
steve robinson
Dec 21, 2014, 7:23:16 AM12/21/14
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Stephen wrote:
> On Sun, 21 Dec 2014 10:00:37 +0000 (UTC), Adrian
> <tooma...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Bendix were bought by Allied Signal in the '80s.
> > Bosch bought Allied Signal in the '90s.
> >
> > BUT... Bosch brakes aren't actually part of Bosch any more...!
> > http://www.chassisbrakes.com/?page_id=14
>
> Well now I am confused and don't know what to do!
>
> My own fault for leaving it to the last minute but now I am finding
> that most places are closed on Sundays.
>
> Halfrauds say they don't hold anything in stock and it must be
> ordered.
>
> Didn't think to look at GSF because my car isn't German, Swedish, or
> French but I see they sell Vetec, Brembo, and Bendix. What are these
> like? From what was said above are Bosch and Bendix the same?
>
> It's all academic as GSF are closed today ;(
Brembo and Bendix are good products, oem equipment on many vehicles
> On Sun, 21 Dec 2014 10:00:37 +0000 (UTC), Adrian
> <tooma...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Bendix were bought by Allied Signal in the '80s.
> > Bosch bought Allied Signal in the '90s.
> >
> > BUT... Bosch brakes aren't actually part of Bosch any more...!
> > http://www.chassisbrakes.com/?page_id=14
>
> Well now I am confused and don't know what to do!
>
> My own fault for leaving it to the last minute but now I am finding
> that most places are closed on Sundays.
>
> Halfrauds say they don't hold anything in stock and it must be
> ordered.
>
> Didn't think to look at GSF because my car isn't German, Swedish, or
> French but I see they sell Vetec, Brembo, and Bendix. What are these
> like? From what was said above are Bosch and Bendix the same?
>
> It's all academic as GSF are closed today ;(
>
> Another one that's closed sells Apec, Ferodo, and Trupart. I've heard
> of Ferodo; last I heard they were considered quite good. Is that still
> true? What of Apec and Trupart?
Ferodo are reasonable mid range pads they supply oem kit to some
> Another one that's closed sells Apec, Ferodo, and Trupart. I've heard
> of Ferodo; last I heard they were considered quite good. Is that still
> true? What of Apec and Trupart?
manufacurers
>
> I have phone the independents who are open and I've a collection of
> makes:
> motor-something by Peugot Talbot
> Mintec
> Quinten hazel (shop said this is a budget brand)
> Comline
> Delphi
>
Quinten Hazel used to supply Peugoet oe equipment
> I have phone the independents who are open and I've a collection of
> makes:
> motor-something by Peugot Talbot
> Mintec
> Quinten hazel (shop said this is a budget brand)
> Comline
> Delphi
>
Delphi are original equipment suppliers as are ferodo
Never heard of mintec probably a sound alike brand
Sure it wasn't mintex
> Of those, I have heard of Mintec but can't quite remember why.
> Sorry to have listed so many makes. Some posters have replied they all
> meet a minimum standard, so perhaps I should not worry to much and
> just get on and fit them, but I don't mind paying a little more for
> something better. It is brakes after all and I think like, tyres, they
> are quite important.
milage low speed then cheapo pads (as long as they are EU approved)
will be fine it really depends on your budget and how long you intend
to keep the car, personally i always go for either EBC or Bembro never
had any issues with either.
steve robinson
Dec 21, 2014, 7:28:18 AM12/21/14
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useally half the price.
Never had pads off them but the anti roll links were a third of the
price and a far better product
Dave Baker
Dec 21, 2014, 7:35:48 AM12/21/14
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"Stephen" <inv...@invalid.org> wrote in message
news:oe0d9a9hr7sqg9vjd...@4ax.com...
> Hello,
>
> Just as it has started to get cold outside, it's time to change my
> brake pads. Why can't these things wear out in the summer ;)
>
> I have a 60 plate Mondeo. Looking at eurocarpart's web site they sell
> Pagid, Eicher, TRW, ATE, Textar, and Bosch pads for my car. So which
> of these are good makes, which are budget, and which are ones to
> avoid?
18 months ago I bought a complete set of front vented discs, rear solid
>
> Just as it has started to get cold outside, it's time to change my
> brake pads. Why can't these things wear out in the summer ;)
>
> I have a 60 plate Mondeo. Looking at eurocarpart's web site they sell
> Pagid, Eicher, TRW, ATE, Textar, and Bosch pads for my car. So which
> of these are good makes, which are budget, and which are ones to
> avoid?
discs and all 8 pads for my 2001 Focus for £59.90 inc free postage on Ebay
from here.
http://stores.ebay.co.uk/PLANET-CAR-PARTS
Just had a look and they're still the same price. Cheaper than just the pads
for one end of the car from some places. Can't fault them to be honest. They
fitted perfectly, work perfectly, no brake judder or noise and stop the car
just fine. I did try a couple of high speed (70ish mph) balls out stops on a
quiet back road with the ABS coming on hard just for peace of mind after I'd
bedded them in for a few miles, had no issues and haven't given the car's
brakes a second thought since then. Pedal feel is the same as it was on Ford
bits, initial bite is instant when you touch the pedal, no spongeyness. If
any issues were going to show up they'd have done so by now.
For your car it looks like £102.50 for the same whole package.
--
Dave Baker
Chris Whelan
Dec 21, 2014, 7:48:05 AM12/21/14
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On Sun, 21 Dec 2014 12:35:22 +0000, Dave Baker wrote:
[...]
> 18 months ago I bought a complete set of front vented discs, rear solid
> discs and all 8 pads for my 2001 Focus for £59.90 inc free postage on
> Ebay from here.
>
> http://stores.ebay.co.uk/PLANET-CAR-PARTS
I think the OP is looking for parts today, otherwise I would just point
him here:
http://www.brakeparts.co.uk/#!/shop
Chris
--
Remove prejudice to reply.
[...]
> 18 months ago I bought a complete set of front vented discs, rear solid
> discs and all 8 pads for my 2001 Focus for £59.90 inc free postage on
> Ebay from here.
>
> http://stores.ebay.co.uk/PLANET-CAR-PARTS
him here:
http://www.brakeparts.co.uk/#!/shop
Chris
--
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steve robinson
Dec 21, 2014, 9:34:59 AM12/21/14
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SteveH wrote:
> steve robinson <st...@colevalleyinteriors.co.uk> wrote:
>
> > If your low milage just tottering around town at low speeds then any
> > eu approved pad for your particular model / make of vehicle will
> > suffice
>
> Eibachs may be "EU Approved", but they still have a reputation for
> falling apart.
Any references to failure rates in comparison to any other after market
brand
> steve robinson <st...@colevalleyinteriors.co.uk> wrote:
>
> > If your low milage just tottering around town at low speeds then any
> > eu approved pad for your particular model / make of vehicle will
> > suffice
>
> falling apart.
Any references to failure rates in comparison to any other after market
brand
Adrian
Dec 21, 2014, 9:42:29 AM12/21/14
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On Sun, 21 Dec 2014 11:57:48 +0000, steve robinson wrote:
>> > As long as the pads meet eu standards (which all of ECP products do)
>> > you have nothing to worry about.
>> Bwahahahahahaha...
>>
>> Oh, wait. You're serious? Deargawd.
> Yes, hence the rest of the post which you decided to snip which gave a
> breif but simple explanation.
I snipped it because it's over-optimistic, he says charitably.
>> > As long as the pads meet eu standards (which all of ECP products do)
>> > you have nothing to worry about.
>> Bwahahahahahaha...
>>
>> Oh, wait. You're serious? Deargawd.
> Yes, hence the rest of the post which you decided to snip which gave a
> breif but simple explanation.
Unless, of course, you genuinely think that there really isn't anything
on the market which is cheap shit made of cheese?
Adrian
Dec 21, 2014, 9:43:05 AM12/21/14
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On Sun, 21 Dec 2014 12:06:31 +0000, Stephen wrote:
> Didn't think to look at GSF because my car isn't German
Yes, it is.
> Didn't think to look at GSF because my car isn't German
But GSF are much more than nation-specific these days.
steve robinson
Dec 21, 2014, 10:25:13 AM12/21/14
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brands or similar sounding names, non that have eu type approval
useally sold through the back street independants for £9.00 a set.
As far as i am aware the cheap and cheerfuls sold by ecp are type
approved, from a legal perspective they meet all the criteria required
to be used within the EU
You generally get what you pay for. As i pointed out in the original
post they are likely to wear quickly and meet the very basic
requirements for vehicle braking. Just like tyres, you get your budgets
and your premium brands, the premium brands tend to last longer have
better road holding, deliver better fuel economy but you pay a premium,
the michellins and firestones i stick on my vans last 32000 plus miles
on the front probably double that on the back, when i tried a set of
budgets 10000 miles and they were scrap the van handled like a bag of
spuds and in the rain i thought i was auditioning for dancing on ice.
Most of my driving though is on motorways and fast urban roads, i
expect the budgets would be fine if i was doing low milage pottering
around town
Yes they probably are made of cheap shit materials but it really
depends what you intend to use the vehicle for.
Its up to the op to decide which catogary he fits in, if he just
potters around , never goes on motorways or high speed urban roads then
its his choice is it worth saving yourself £20.00 .
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Adrian
Dec 21, 2014, 11:32:17 AM12/21/14
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On Sun, 21 Dec 2014 15:24:50 +0000, steve robinson wrote:
>> >> > As long as the pads meet eu standards (which all of ECP products
>> >> > do) you have nothing to worry about.
>> >> Bwahahahahahaha...
>> >>
>> >> Oh, wait. You're serious? Deargawd.
>> > Yes, hence the rest of the post which you decided to snip which gave
>> > a breif but simple explanation.
>> I snipped it because it's over-optimistic, he says charitably.
>>
>> Unless, of course, you genuinely think that there really isn't anything
>> on the market which is cheap shit made of cheese?
> Yes plenty of crap out there , most cheap knock off imports of named
> brands or similar sounding names, non that have eu type approval useally
> sold through the back street independants for £9.00 a set.
So nothing sold through the "big boys" is utter shit, then?
>> >> > As long as the pads meet eu standards (which all of ECP products
>> >> > do) you have nothing to worry about.
>> >> Bwahahahahahaha...
>> >>
>> >> Oh, wait. You're serious? Deargawd.
>> > Yes, hence the rest of the post which you decided to snip which gave
>> > a breif but simple explanation.
>> I snipped it because it's over-optimistic, he says charitably.
>>
>> Unless, of course, you genuinely think that there really isn't anything
>> on the market which is cheap shit made of cheese?
> Yes plenty of crap out there , most cheap knock off imports of named
> brands or similar sounding names, non that have eu type approval useally
> sold through the back street independants for £9.00 a set.
> As far as i am aware the cheap and cheerfuls sold by ecp are type
> approved
> from a legal perspective they meet all the criteria required
> to be used within the EU
> You generally get what you pay for. As i
> pointed out in the original post they are likely to wear quickly and
> meet the very basic requirements for vehicle braking. Just like tyres,
> you get your budgets and your premium brands, the premium brands tend to
> last longer have better road holding, deliver better fuel economy but
> you pay a premium,
> the michellins and firestones i stick on my vans last 32000 plus miles
> on the front probably double that on the back, when i tried a set of
> budgets 10000 miles and they were scrap the van handled like a bag of
> spuds and in the rain i thought i was auditioning for dancing on ice.
Adrian
Dec 21, 2014, 11:32:28 AM12/21/14
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On Sun, 21 Dec 2014 16:26:51 +0000, SteveH wrote:
> I don't get this argument - because it's in urban / town environments
> where a few extra metres on stopping distances are likely to have the
> most devastating effects.
Well, quite.
> I don't get this argument - because it's in urban / town environments
> where a few extra metres on stopping distances are likely to have the
> most devastating effects.
Well, quite.
alan_m
Dec 21, 2014, 11:36:09 AM12/21/14
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On 21/12/2014 15:24, steve robinson wrote:
> Just like tyres, you get your budgets
> and your premium brands, the premium brands tend to last longer have
> better road holding, deliver better fuel economy but you pay a premium,
> the michellins and firestones i stick on my vans last 32000 plus miles
> on the front probably double that on the back
Performance and longevity don't go hand in hand - how long do tyres on
> Just like tyres, you get your budgets
> and your premium brands, the premium brands tend to last longer have
> better road holding, deliver better fuel economy but you pay a premium,
> the michellins and firestones i stick on my vans last 32000 plus miles
> on the front probably double that on the back
F1 cars last?
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Mrcheerful
Dec 21, 2014, 11:49:59 AM12/21/14
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On 21/12/2014 16:36, alan_m wrote:
> On 21/12/2014 15:24, steve robinson wrote:
>> Just like tyres, you get your budgets
>> and your premium brands, the premium brands tend to last longer have
>> better road holding, deliver better fuel economy but you pay a premium,
>> the michellins and firestones i stick on my vans last 32000 plus miles
>> on the front probably double that on the back
>
> Performance and longevity don't go hand in hand - how long do tyres on
> F1 cars last?
>
>
>
So what? That is a totally different specialised field. You may as
> On 21/12/2014 15:24, steve robinson wrote:
>> Just like tyres, you get your budgets
>> and your premium brands, the premium brands tend to last longer have
>> better road holding, deliver better fuel economy but you pay a premium,
>> the michellins and firestones i stick on my vans last 32000 plus miles
>> on the front probably double that on the back
>
> Performance and longevity don't go hand in hand - how long do tyres on
> F1 cars last?
>
>
>
well bring in aircraft tyres for comparison.
steve robinson
Dec 21, 2014, 12:51:58 PM12/21/14
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> of miles old... but you see talk of problems with Eibach on web
> forums - usually because pad material has separated from the backing
> plate.
Seen the same happen to other manufacturers kit to, its horses for
courses,
steve robinson
Dec 21, 2014, 12:58:59 PM12/21/14
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> > Most of my driving though is on motorways and fast urban roads, i
> > expect the budgets would be fine if i was doing low milage pottering
> > around town
> >
> >
> > Yes they probably are made of cheap shit materials but it really
> > depends what you intend to use the vehicle for.
> >
> > Its up to the op to decide which catogary he fits in, if he just
> > potters around , never goes on motorways or high speed urban roads
> > then its his choice is it worth saving yourself £20.00 .
>
> > expect the budgets would be fine if i was doing low milage pottering
> > around town
> >
> >
> > Yes they probably are made of cheap shit materials but it really
> > depends what you intend to use the vehicle for.
> >
> > Its up to the op to decide which catogary he fits in, if he just
> > potters around , never goes on motorways or high speed urban roads
> > then its his choice is it worth saving yourself £20.00 .
>
> I don't get this argument - because it's in urban / town environments
> where a few extra metres on stopping distances are likely to have the
> most devastating effects.
Your generally driving slower, the brakes are unlikely to be used at
> where a few extra metres on stopping distances are likely to have the
> most devastating effects.
full capacity , even when they are its very short durations.
steve robinson
Dec 21, 2014, 1:06:48 PM12/21/14
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Adrian wrote:
> On Sun, 21 Dec 2014 15:24:50 +0000, steve robinson wrote:
>
> >> >> > As long as the pads meet eu standards (which all of ECP
> products >> >> > do) you have nothing to worry about.
>
> >> >> Bwahahahahahaha...
> >> >>
> >> >> Oh, wait. You're serious? Deargawd.
>
> >> > Yes, hence the rest of the post which you decided to snip which
> gave >> > a breif but simple explanation.
>
> >> I snipped it because it's over-optimistic, he says charitably.
> >>
> >> Unless, of course, you genuinely think that there really isn't
> anything >> on the market which is cheap shit made of cheese?
>
> > Yes plenty of crap out there , most cheap knock off imports of named
> > brands or similar sounding names, non that have eu type approval
> > useally sold through the back street independants for £9.00 a set.
>
> So nothing sold through the "big boys" is utter shit, then?
>
> > As far as i am aware the cheap and cheerfuls sold by ecp are type
> > approved
>
> I'm sure they are. Doesn't mean they're any good.
> On Sun, 21 Dec 2014 15:24:50 +0000, steve robinson wrote:
>
> >> >> > As long as the pads meet eu standards (which all of ECP
> products >> >> > do) you have nothing to worry about.
>
> >> >> Bwahahahahahaha...
> >> >>
> >> >> Oh, wait. You're serious? Deargawd.
>
> >> > Yes, hence the rest of the post which you decided to snip which
> gave >> > a breif but simple explanation.
>
> >> I snipped it because it's over-optimistic, he says charitably.
> >>
> >> Unless, of course, you genuinely think that there really isn't
> anything >> on the market which is cheap shit made of cheese?
>
> > Yes plenty of crap out there , most cheap knock off imports of named
> > brands or similar sounding names, non that have eu type approval
> > useally sold through the back street independants for £9.00 a set.
>
> So nothing sold through the "big boys" is utter shit, then?
>
> > As far as i am aware the cheap and cheerfuls sold by ecp are type
> > approved
>
No it means they meet the minimum legal standard for brake pads in the
EU,
>
> > from a legal perspective they meet all the criteria required
> > to be used within the EU
>
> I'm sure they do. Doesn't mean they're any good...
> > from a legal perspective they meet all the criteria required
> > to be used within the EU
>
Being good is relative, ceramic brakes are good... it doesnt mean other
braking systems are bad just not as good
>
> > You generally get what you pay for. As i
> > pointed out in the original post they are likely to wear quickly and
> > meet the very basic requirements for vehicle braking. Just like
> > tyres, you get your budgets and your premium brands, the premium
> > brands tend to last longer have better road holding, deliver better
> > fuel economy but you pay a premium,
> > the michellins and firestones i stick on my vans last 32000 plus
> > miles on the front probably double that on the back, when i tried a
> > set of budgets 10000 miles and they were scrap the van handled like
> > a bag of spuds and in the rain i thought i was auditioning for
> > dancing on ice.
>
> Bet they were "EU approved", too...
They were, and compared to the firestones they were crap, however that
> > You generally get what you pay for. As i
> > pointed out in the original post they are likely to wear quickly and
> > meet the very basic requirements for vehicle braking. Just like
> > tyres, you get your budgets and your premium brands, the premium
> > brands tend to last longer have better road holding, deliver better
> > fuel economy but you pay a premium,
> > the michellins and firestones i stick on my vans last 32000 plus
> > miles on the front probably double that on the back, when i tried a
> > set of budgets 10000 miles and they were scrap the van handled like
> > a bag of spuds and in the rain i thought i was auditioning for
> > dancing on ice.
>
> Bet they were "EU approved", too...
doesnt mean they were bad just not as good, you adjust your driving
style accordingly.
Adrian
Dec 21, 2014, 1:13:03 PM12/21/14
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On Sun, 21 Dec 2014 18:06:25 +0000, steve robinson wrote:
>> > when i tried a set of budgets 10000 miles and they were scrap the
>> > van handled like a bag of spuds and in the rain i thought i was
>> > auditioning for dancing on ice.
>> Bet they were "EU approved", too...
> They were, and compared to the firestones they were crap, however that
> doesnt mean they were bad just not as good, you adjust your driving
> style accordingly.
Riiiiight.
>> > when i tried a set of budgets 10000 miles and they were scrap the
>> > van handled like a bag of spuds and in the rain i thought i was
>> > auditioning for dancing on ice.
>> Bet they were "EU approved", too...
> They were, and compared to the firestones they were crap, however that
> doesnt mean they were bad just not as good, you adjust your driving
> style accordingly.
steve robinson
Dec 21, 2014, 1:27:18 PM12/21/14
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alan_m wrote:
> On 21/12/2014 15:24, steve robinson wrote:
> > Just like tyres, you get your budgets
> > and your premium brands, the premium brands tend to last longer have
> > better road holding, deliver better fuel economy but you pay a
> > premium, the michellins and firestones i stick on my vans last
> > 32000 plus miles on the front probably double that on the back
>
> Performance and longevity don't go hand in hand - how long do tyres
> on F1 cars last?
Your talking apples and oranges
> On 21/12/2014 15:24, steve robinson wrote:
> > Just like tyres, you get your budgets
> > and your premium brands, the premium brands tend to last longer have
> > better road holding, deliver better fuel economy but you pay a
> > premium, the michellins and firestones i stick on my vans last
> > 32000 plus miles on the front probably double that on the back
>
> Performance and longevity don't go hand in hand - how long do tyres
> on F1 cars last?
The van tyres are not sports performance tyres.
If your talking sports tyres then yuo need to look at the eniorement
your driving on and your style of driving, do yuo want max wear or max
grip, do you want all weather performance or superior wet or dry
performance makes a difference
For all waether good all rounder contisport contact or the michelin
pilot seems to be the way to go
Hankook seem to do well in the wet,as do goodyear not so good in the
dry though
If your only running in dry conditions then the Pireli p corsa seems
to come out on top
If your looking for a tyre that has good wear characteristics then
your probly find the bridgestone is a good runner
Scott M
Dec 21, 2014, 6:41:00 PM12/21/14
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steve robinson wrote:
> EBC will cost around £30.00 for an oem set spec , about £45 for the
> green pads which out perform the oem or up to around £65.00 a set for
> the yellow stuff high performance track and street pads .
Not helping your argument there. EBC have always had a bit of a rep for
> EBC will cost around £30.00 for an oem set spec , about £45 for the
> green pads which out perform the oem or up to around £65.00 a set for
> the yellow stuff high performance track and street pads .
pad material coming away from the backplate!
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Where are we going and why am I in this handbasket?
Mrcheerful
Dec 21, 2014, 7:21:27 PM12/21/14
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On 21/12/2014 23:40, Scott M wrote:
> steve robinson wrote:
>
>> EBC will cost around £30.00 for an oem set spec , about £45 for the
>> green pads which out perform the oem or up to around £65.00 a set for
>> the yellow stuff high performance track and street pads .
>
> Not helping your argument there. EBC have always had a bit of a rep for
> pad material coming away from the backplate!
>
That was what I found when they first came to the fore in the early
> steve robinson wrote:
>
>> EBC will cost around £30.00 for an oem set spec , about £45 for the
>> green pads which out perform the oem or up to around £65.00 a set for
>> the yellow stuff high performance track and street pads .
>
> Not helping your argument there. EBC have always had a bit of a rep for
> pad material coming away from the backplate!
>
80's, customers kept asking for them for motorcycles (there must have
been clever advertising) but I hated selling them because I knew they
were not reliable pads.
steve robinson
Dec 22, 2014, 4:58:25 AM12/22/14
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Scott M wrote:
> steve robinson wrote:
>
> > EBC will cost around £30.00 for an oem set spec , about £45 for the
> > green pads which out perform the oem or up to around £65.00 a set
> > for the yellow stuff high performance track and street pads .
>
> Not helping your argument there. EBC have always had a bit of a rep
> for pad material coming away from the backplate!
Never had any issues with them, even when used on the track at speeds
> steve robinson wrote:
>
> > EBC will cost around £30.00 for an oem set spec , about £45 for the
> > green pads which out perform the oem or up to around £65.00 a set
> > for the yellow stuff high performance track and street pads .
>
> Not helping your argument there. EBC have always had a bit of a rep
> for pad material coming away from the backplate!
well in excess of 160 mph
steve robinson
Dec 22, 2014, 5:06:40 AM12/22/14
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All manufacturers have pad failures, this is probably compounded by
the inapropiate selection of pads to match your driving or ridding
style.
I wouldnt expect a standard oem set of pads to survive a track day they
are not designed for that type of use.
Nick Finnigan
Dec 22, 2014, 5:07:10 AM12/22/14
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On 21/12/2014 12:35, Dave Baker wrote:
>
> Just had a look and they're still the same price. Cheaper than just the
> pads for one end of the car from some places. Can't fault them to be
> honest. They fitted perfectly, work perfectly, no brake judder or noise and
> stop the car just fine. I did try a couple of high speed (70ish mph) balls
> out stops on a quiet back road with the ABS coming on hard just for peace
> of mind after I'd bedded them in for a few miles, had no issues and haven't
Having the ABS come on hard proves very little. On 10 year old cars it is
>
> Just had a look and they're still the same price. Cheaper than just the
> pads for one end of the car from some places. Can't fault them to be
> honest. They fitted perfectly, work perfectly, no brake judder or noise and
> stop the car just fine. I did try a couple of high speed (70ish mph) balls
> out stops on a quiet back road with the ABS coming on hard just for peace
> of mind after I'd bedded them in for a few miles, had no issues and haven't
likely to happen when the rust on one of the nearside disks starts to give
uneven braking.
Mrcheerful
Dec 22, 2014, 5:19:56 AM12/22/14
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business by now, trouble is that if you see any failures with a make of
something it colours your view of that make permanently.
Peter Hill
Dec 22, 2014, 5:30:59 AM12/22/14
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in the wet on Japanese stainless discs. That alone was why EBC were bought.
Euro bikes with cast iron discs didn't need them but went rusty and
looked gash.
Stupid thing was that discs with virtually any pad passed the late 70's
USA wet brake test. They dunked the whole brake in a tank for sometime
and then hauled it out tested immediately. A drum brake filled with
water and it didn't drain or dry out quick enough. Putting enough holes
in it so it drained, would have collected water in the rain and reduced
its function in actual road conditions. A disc brake took a few
rotations but would eventually work. On the road by the time they worked
you had the lever on the bars and they locked.
Mrcheerful
Dec 22, 2014, 5:43:36 AM12/22/14
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was a nice big twin leading shoe brake, it was far more predictable than
the disc.
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