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Richard Weller

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Jan 25, 2003, 10:49:50 AM1/25/03
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Hi,

I have a 205 gti '91, it comes with two rear fog lights, one of them
works the other doesn't and MOT time is due very shortly.

I've had a hunt around and nothing says that i need two working rear
fog lights - only one.

Anyone back up this statement for me please? :)

Richard

Tim S Kemp

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Jan 25, 2003, 10:59:29 AM1/25/03
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> I have a 205 gti '91, it comes with two rear fog lights, one of them
> works the other doesn't and MOT time is due very shortly.
>
> I've had a hunt around and nothing says that i need two working rear
> fog lights - only one.

Bottom of this tester's manual infers that only the offside needs to work.

http://www.motuk.co.uk/manual_110.htm


Richard Weller

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Jan 25, 2003, 11:03:38 AM1/25/03
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On Sat, 25 Jan 2003 15:59:29 -0000, "Tim S Kemp"
<ne...@timkemp.karoo.co.uk> wrote:

>Bottom of this tester's manual infers that only the offside needs to work.
>
>http://www.motuk.co.uk/manual_110.htm

Thank-you, I found that website, seen a comment from a MOT tester
saying that both lights need to work! Argh!

Steve Walker

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Jan 25, 2003, 11:12:20 AM1/25/03
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If I recall correctly, a fitted light must work correctly. You might
therefore have to physically remove the duff unit and gaffer-tape the cavity
for the duration of the test. IANAMOTT


dojj

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Jan 25, 2003, 11:17:13 AM1/25/03
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as long as the tester see's that one is working then you should be ok
most cars nowadays only have one rear fog so i wouldn't worry too much about
it
worst case is he'll say sort it

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Conor Turton

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Jan 25, 2003, 11:24:20 AM1/25/03
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In article <l9d53v42jfnfqtvls...@4ax.com>,
ric...@SPAMMM.southam.clara.co.uk says...
Cover the nearside one in black insulation tape.

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DC

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Jan 25, 2003, 11:41:38 AM1/25/03
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Try this site http://www.bobmckay.co.uk/ it's very good.
My (non expert) opinion is that if it's fitted it should work.
Dave

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dojj

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Jan 25, 2003, 11:51:36 AM1/25/03
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"One red coloured rear fog lamp must be fitted to the centre or offside of
vehicles first used from 1st April 1980. Additional rear fog lamps or rear
fog lamps fitted to vehicles first used before this date are not testable.
Rear fog lamps should only operate when the headlamps are switched on but
this in itself is not a reason for failure. The test procedure is that with
the ignition on and the dipped headlamps operating, the rear fog lamp should
illuminate when its switch is closed. A tell tale to indicate the rear fogs
are on must be fitted. "

he says ONE light in the middle or on one side

let's just hope that the working light is on the correct side then eh :)

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Richard Weller

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Jan 25, 2003, 12:19:46 PM1/25/03
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On Sat, 25 Jan 2003 16:51:36 -0000, " dojj"
<dojjsq...@dojj1.fsnet.co.uk> wrote:

>let's just hope that the working light is on the correct side then eh :)

Lucky for me it is :)

Just my dad being a pain, i swear the car was passed last year with
only one fog light working...

Dave Plowman

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Jan 25, 2003, 12:40:04 PM1/25/03
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In article <b0ufe9$gq9$1...@newsg4.svr.pol.co.uk>,

dojj <dojjsq...@dojj1.fsnet.co.uk> wrote:
> Rear fog lamps should only operate when the headlamps are switched on
> but this in itself is not a reason for failure. The test procedure is
> that with the ignition on and the dipped headlamps operating, the rear
> fog lamp should illuminate when its switch is closed. A tell tale to
> indicate the rear fogs are on must be fitted. "

Strange. On both my cars, one new one old, fitted with front factory
foglamps, they need the front fogs switched on before the rears operate
regardless of the headlights.

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dojj

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Jan 25, 2003, 2:06:17 PM1/25/03
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"Dave Plowman" <dave....@argonet.co.uk> wrote in message
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> In article <b0ufe9$gq9$1...@newsg4.svr.pol.co.uk>,
> dojj <dojjsq...@dojj1.fsnet.co.uk> wrote:
> > Rear fog lamps should only operate when the headlamps are switched on
> > but this in itself is not a reason for failure. The test procedure is
> > that with the ignition on and the dipped headlamps operating, the rear
> > fog lamp should illuminate when its switch is closed. A tell tale to
> > indicate the rear fogs are on must be fitted. "
>
> Strange. On both my cars, one new one old, fitted with front factory
> foglamps, they need the front fogs switched on before the rears operate
> regardless of the headlights.
>
i think i've driven cars like that as well
mostly when you have the twirly switch on the light lever
and they tend to be french at that :)

david kelly

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Jan 25, 2003, 5:17:58 PM1/25/03
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Hello,
I don't know if the GTI 205 is any different, but on my old 205 1.1 the
nearside fog lamp was just a dummy to make the car look right !

Maybe the same on yours ?

If you look closely on the offside light you can see two securing screws and
on the near side dummy its just held in by clips.

Dave

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Graham

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Jan 25, 2003, 5:55:50 PM1/25/03
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"Richard Weller" <ric...@SPAMMM.southam.clara.co.uk> wrote in message
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My old Sierra had both sides fitted, but only a bulb in the off-side one,
and passed MOTs OK (on the lights at least !!)

Once overseas, I tried fitting a bulb in the nearside/offside in Germany,
and it worked too - So if fitted - must work, doesn't seem to hold too true
??

Graham


Dave Plowman

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Jan 25, 2003, 3:09:55 PM1/25/03
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In article <b0unce$j6j$1...@newsg1.svr.pol.co.uk>,

dojj <dojjsq...@dojj1.fsnet.co.uk> wrote:
> > Strange. On both my cars, one new one old, fitted with front factory
> > foglamps, they need the front fogs switched on before the rears operate
> > regardless of the headlights.
> >
> i think i've driven cars like that as well
> mostly when you have the twirly switch on the light lever
> and they tend to be french at that :)

One's UK, one German.

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Karen Bushell

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Jan 26, 2003, 1:17:57 AM1/26/03
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Hi

The Peugeot 205 only had ONE rear foglight fitted. This was fitted on the
offside. The nearside light, whilst it looks like a foglight is in fact the
reversing light (look closely at it - it is different to the offside one).
You only need to have ONE foglight fitted to your vehicle by law (most
manufacturers only fit one as standard now anyway) as long as it is central
or located to the vehicles offside. You are allowed to have 2 fitted, as
long as they are symmetrical.

Adrian


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Steve Bradshaw

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Jan 26, 2003, 4:59:16 AM1/26/03
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My Primera is the same, nearside fog is a dummy.

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Duncan Wood

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Jan 26, 2003, 11:45:39 AM1/26/03
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"Richard Weller" <ric...@SPAMMM.southam.clara.co.uk> wrote in message
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As only the middle or the offside is mandatory then said tester is talking
bollocks.


Gerry Harris

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Jan 25, 2003, 11:01:17 AM1/25/03
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Hi
I might be wrong, but isn't it a case of you only need one fitted but
if there are two fitted then they should both work.

Cheers

Duncan Wood

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Jan 26, 2003, 11:58:37 AM1/26/03
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"Steve Walker" <spam...@beeb.net> wrote in message
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To quote
"The inspection of rear fog lamps is confined to the one rear fog lamp which
is required to be fitted to the centre or offside"

no mention of the nearside at all

radar

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Jan 27, 2003, 2:06:59 PM1/27/03
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I think you will find that the nearside lamp is in fact the reverse light !

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Bob McKay

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Jan 27, 2003, 5:35:23 PM1/27/03
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>I've had a hunt around and nothing says that i need two working rear
>> > fog lights - only one.

Yup, one rear fog lamp needed in the centre or offside.
www.bobmckay.co.uk/Frame2.html

Richard Weller

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Jan 27, 2003, 6:02:25 PM1/27/03
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On Sun, 26 Jan 2003 06:17:57 +0000 (UTC), "Karen Bushell"
<Karen....@btopenworld.com> wrote:

>Hi
>
>The Peugeot 205 only had ONE rear foglight fitted. This was fitted on the
>offside. The nearside light, whilst it looks like a foglight is in fact the
>reversing light (look closely at it - it is different to the offside one).
>You only need to have ONE foglight fitted to your vehicle by law (most
>manufacturers only fit one as standard now anyway) as long as it is central
>or located to the vehicles offside. You are allowed to have 2 fitted, as
>long as they are symmetrical.
>
>Adrian

I relieased this shortly after i've owned 205 gtis for about 4 years,
for some odd reason i thought the moved the reserve light onto the
main cluster.

I was hoping someone wouldn't post this, but its time to get me coat
lol.

I feel such a tit!

JW

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Jan 28, 2003, 2:03:57 PM1/28/03
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On Mon, 27 Jan 2003 23:02:25 +0000, Richard Weller
<ric...@SPAMMM.southam.clara.co.uk> wrote:

>I relieased this shortly after i've owned 205 gtis for about 4 years,
>for some odd reason i thought the moved the reserve light onto the
>main cluster.

Up to 1990, the 205 had reversing lights in the main cluster. After
Sept. 1990, the rear lights were redesigned, and the reversing light
moved to the dummy fog-light position.

Examples of both here:
http://pages.zoom.co.uk/rossd/rearlight.htm

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