Zenith Carb for Reliant Kitten
Anthony Waters
easier to adjust for optimum m/gal.
Anyone any ideas?
Anthony
chrisknibbs
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Anthony
Ian Johnston
: I'm after a Zenith Carburettor to fit my Reliant Kitten - I'm told they are
: easier to adjust for optimum m/gal.
: Anyone any ideas?
First of all, try Brian Marshall of the Reliant Kitten register.
When I wanted a replacement Zenith 30IZ body for a 750cc Rebel, I got a
brand new one from Olde Spares for tenty quid. Not a Reliant one, but I
simply swapped all the jets: it cost less than a carburettor overhaul kit.
To fit a Zenith to the 850cc you will need...
a) a body (see above)
b) knowledge of which jets to fit
c) jets (should be available from, for example, Gowers and Lee)
The 750 Motor Club people will almost certainly have people with all sorts
of good ideas for tuning the wee Reliant. (And before you knock it, non-
Reliant types, we are talking about an all-alloy, wet-linered engine
producing 44HP ex-factory from 85lbs including starter and alternator.)
Good luck,
Ian
SkodaPilot
<engs...@ermine.ox.ac.uk> wrote:
> The 750 Motor Club people will almost certainly have people with all
> sorts of good ideas for tuning the wee Reliant. (And before you knock
> it, non- Reliant types, we are talking about an all-alloy, wet-linered
> engine producing 44HP ex-factory from 85lbs including starter and
> alternator.)
>
I know what you mean. I used to love my little old robin, till I rolled it :(
Used to really accelerate hard for a tiny little engine, and could wheelspin like a loony if you tried hard.
J Hughes
"Anthony Waters" <heartwood...@ukonline.co.uk> wrote in message
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What MPG do you get ?
I get about 24mpg out off my SU carb / 850cc kitten engined 4x4 offroader!
John
Richard Kilpatrick
Hughes <johnat.t...@virgin.spamnet> dipped their finger in oil and
wrote:
> What MPG do you get ?
>I get about 24mpg out off my SU carb / 850cc kitten engined 4x4 offroader!
What the hell is that?
I like the Reliant Kitten. It struck me as being a good idea, really,
there's a T-reg one in Berwick, but about the only one I've seen for a
/long/ time.
Richard
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Dan
> I like the Reliant Kitten. It struck me as being a good idea, really,
> there's a T-reg one in Berwick, but about the only one I've seen for a
> /long/ time.
When I was at New College Durham, years ago, there used to be one in the
car park every day, but that's the only one I've ever seen. I like them
too, and it's a great name for a car.
J Hughes
"Richard Kilpatrick" <ric...@lovecraft.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
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> What MPG do you get ?
> >I get about 24mpg out off my SU carb / 850cc kitten engined 4x4
offroader!
>
> What the hell is that?
OK it's not Reliant, it's a Haflinger, an Austrian built vehicle made for
the military to patrol in the Alps.
Originally 650cc , Mine had a very sick engine so I put an 850cc Reliant
Kitten engine in it
I'm " Power Crazed " now .I can cruise at speeds in the top Thirties and
over 40mph going down hill..:-)) If you want to see a pic. there's one
here
http://freespace.virgin.net/johnat.tanygraig/Johns/offroad.htm
Seriously the Reliant Kitten engine is a great little bit of kit 40bhp from
an engine you can tuck under your arm.
But I still don't know what MPG these things can give in a light weight
vehicle?
> I like the Reliant Kitten. It struck me as being a good idea, really,
I like them too, and I ignore the "posh car" bullies who seem to think we've
all got to like big pretentious cars , and sneer at the little ones .
And If Anthony Waters is still following this thread :-- Of coarse a
Reliant Kitten can be a classic. It's just a matter of time, and a Kitten
with a good chassis can last for ever!
Sorry I don't know much about Zenith carbs though.
Cheers John
Richard Kilpatrick
Hughes <johnat.t...@virgin.spamnet> dipped their finger in oil and
wrote:
>the military to patrol in the Alps.
Ah, okay - I was thinking Haflinger, but was having trouble with the
Reliant connection! Great little 4x4s, those things.
Ian Johnston
<johnat.t...@virgin.spamnet> wrote:
: Seriously the Reliant Kitten engine is a great little bit of kit 40bhp from
: an engine you can tuck under your arm.
: But I still don't know what MPG these things can give in a light weight
: vehicle?
In the various wee Reliants, anything from 50 - 70mpg.
Ian
Stan Barr
<ric...@lovecraft.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>Previously, <bQAJ7.5105$%p4.7...@news6-win.server.ntlworld.com>, J
>Hughes <johnat.t...@virgin.spamnet> dipped their finger in oil and
>wrote:
>> OK it's not Reliant, it's a Haflinger, an Austrian built vehicle made for
>>the military to patrol in the Alps.
>
>Ah, okay - I was thinking Haflinger, but was having trouble with the
>Reliant connection! Great little 4x4s, those things.
I saw one buzzing around near Chester recently...I'd not seen one for a long
time.
I rmember watching their antics on an off-road competition they used to run on
tv - in which various Armies used to enter all sorts of things!
--
Cheers,
Stan Barr st...@dial.pipex.com
The future was never like this!
Jim Warren
Richard Kilpatrick <ric...@lovecraft.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
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> I like the Reliant Kitten. It struck me as being a good idea, really,
> there's a T-reg one in Berwick, but about the only one I've seen for a
> /long/ time.
>
I haven't seen one for ages either, but they have got a certain style - I
quite liked the look of them.
But the last one I saw was in an accident. A lorry had stopped sharpish for
a zebra crossing, the kitten behind had stopped, and then the lorry behind
didn't *quite* stop in time and shunted it into the back of the leading
lorry. It sort of "burst asunder" in the sandwich. Luckily the driver was
OK.
J Hughes
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From: "Ian Johnston" <engs...@ermine.ox.ac.uk>
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Sent: Saturday, November 17, 2001 10:45 PM
Subject: Re: Zenith Carb for Reliant Kitten
> In the various wee Reliants, anything from 50 - 70mpg.
>
50 - 70 ..Phwee , it makes me realize how hard the Kitten engine has to
work in my Haf . if I can only get 24mpg :-((
Thanks
John
J Hughes
"Stan Barr" <st...@dial.pipex.com> wrote in message
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>Ah, okay - I was thinking Haflinger,
> I saw one buzzing around near Chester recently...I'd not seen one for a
long
> time.
>
> I rmember watching their antics on an off-road competition they used to
run on
> tv - in which various Armies used to enter all sorts of things!
I remember that , there was also a little vehicle they called a "bug"
I've no idea what it was, but I remember the commentator getting very
excited and shouting " the bug 'as over taken him,... the bug 'as over taken
him. " This didn't go down very well on the BBC in those days :-))
Cheers John
Ian Johnston
<johnat.t...@virgin.spamnet> wrote:
: 50 - 70 ..Phwee , it makes me realize how hard the Kitten engine has to
: work in my Haf . if I can only get 24mpg :-((
I wondered why you did the swap until I followed the link from your
website and found that a recon Haflinger engine costs three grand ...
I presume they're made by Rolex?
Ian
Geoff Mackenzie
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an impossible hill in one. Stopped part way up. Suggested we both got out,
at which point, devoid of front weight, it settled on its tailgate.
Remarkable vehicle.
Geoff MacK
Stan Barr
<johnat.t...@virgin.spamnet> wrote:
>
>"Stan Barr" <st...@dial.pipex.com> wrote in message
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>>Ah, okay - I was thinking Haflinger,
>Snip..
>> I saw one buzzing around near Chester recently...I'd not seen one for a
>long
>> time.
>>
>How near Chester? If it was near Ruthin 2 weeks ago , it was me.
>
Somewhere up the Wirral Peninsula - we were on our way to Clatterbridge
Hospital - about 2 or 3 months ago...my memory ain't what it was!
A sort of pale greeny colour, I think.
Pete Lucas
I thought SUs were normal fitments? I've seen a couple of
the Reliant engins fitted with twin SUs, which turns them
into quite a flier.
Willy Eckerslyke
> > >I get about 24mpg out off my SU carb / 850cc kitten engined 4x4
> offroader!
> >
> > What the hell is that?
I've driven a 0x0 offroader powered by one. Is that the correct
nomenclature for a hovercraft?
> OK it's not Reliant, it's a Haflinger, an Austrian built vehicle made for
> the military to patrol in the Alps.
> Originally 650cc , Mine had a very sick engine so I put an 850cc Reliant
> Kitten engine in it
> I'm " Power Crazed " now .I can cruise at speeds in the top Thirties and
> over 40mph going down hill..:-)) If you want to see a pic. there's one
> here
> http://freespace.virgin.net/johnat.tanygraig/Johns/offroad.htm
Nice lickle thing! Is it true that the Fiat Panda 4x4 used
Haflinger parts? A neighbour of mine once suggested as much
and it stuck in my mind...
--
Regards, Willy.
PTO
Ian Johnston
: I thought SUs were normal fitments? I've seen a couple of
: the Reliant engins fitted with twin SUs, which turns them
: into quite a flier.
I believe 80 - 90 hp has been achieved without any silly tricks - which is
pretty damn good for 850cc!
Ian
Richard Kilpatrick
<ku.ca....@801sso.backwards> dipped their finger in oil and wrote:
>Nice lickle thing! Is it true that the Fiat Panda 4x4 used
>Haflinger parts? A neighbour of mine once suggested as much
>and it stuck in my mind...
They're both Steyr-Puch designs, so it's entirely possible that the
design is derived from the Haflinger. However, the Fiat lacks lockable
front and rear diffs, and is selectable 4wd from a transverse engine, so
it's very unlikely that components are shared. IIRC, the Panda's rear
axle isn't anything like the Haflinger's portal differentials.
J Hughes
"Willy Eckerslyke" <ku.ca....@801sso.backwards> wrote in message
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>> / 850cc kitten engined 4x4
> > offroader!
> > >
> > > What the hell is that?
>
> I've driven a 0x0 offroader powered by one. Is that the correct
> nomenclature for a hovercraft?
That sounds like fun !
> >
> Nice lickle thing! Is it true that the Fiat Panda 4x4 used
> Haflinger parts? A neighbour of mine once suggested as much
> and it stuck in my mind...
> Regards, Willy.
The story I heard was that Fiat approached Steyr 4x4 technical Dept.
,and the Haflinger design team were put on the job. Don't know how true
this story is though.
Certainly as Richard says above , there isn't much resemblance twix a Haf
and a Panda, except perhaps the small size of the components
>Geoff MacK said ....
>Ah, the Haflinger.... Remember the demo driver (in about 1965) taking me
up
>an impossible hill in one. Stopped part way up. Suggested we both got
out,
>at which point, devoid of front weight, it settled on its tailgate.
>Remarkable vehicle.
I saw a photo' of one once , it had been driven up a tree! untill it sat
on its tailgate.
Oh by the way, I turned mine over last week, we just turned it back the
right way up and carried on. There is something to be said for light weight
vehicles that don't damage themselves as easily as heavy weights.
Cheers John
http://freespace.virgin.net/johnat.tanygraig/Johns/offroad.htm
Willy Eckerslyke
> > I've driven a 0x0 offroader powered by one. Is that the correct
> > nomenclature for a hovercraft?
>
> That sounds like fun !
It certainly is. Unfortunately, it encouraged me to start
thinking about building one. It may be my next project after
the Morris 1000...
If you want to risk the same temptation and fancy a nice day
out on the Llyn Peninsula (you're in Bala are you?), have a
look here:
http://www.tanrallt.com/ and follow the link for "Hovercrafts"
Cost was a tenner for fifteen minutes, which feels longer than
it sounds. Be warned though, it could be seriously damaging to
your bank balance!
Thanks for the explanation about the Panda 4x4, (thank you too,
Richard).
--
Regards, Willy.
PTO
Jamie Harvey
<engs...@ermine.ox.ac.uk> writes
But not compared to modern bike engines, my 600 which isn't hugely
over the top produces around 100bhp.
I missed the Top Gear item about the Westfield (was it?) using
two Fireblade engines and 4wd in an attempt to break the 0-60 record,
sounded interesting.
--
Jamie Harvey
Ian Johnston
: In article <9tauc5$75h$2...@news.ox.ac.uk>, Ian Johnston
: <engs...@ermine.ox.ac.uk> writes
:>I believe 80 - 90 hp has been achieved without any silly tricks - which is
:>pretty damn good for 850cc!
: But not compared to modern bike engines, my 600 which isn't hugely
: over the top produces around 100bhp.
This is true - and that is, of course, pretty pathetic compared to model
aircraft engines. So can I rephrase it as "pretty damn good for a four-in-
line, water cooled, overhead-valve-with-rockers, reasonably wide power-band
and service life ten times that of a bike engine 850cc"?
Ian
Geoff Mackenzie
"Ian Johnston" <engs...@ermine.ox.ac.uk> wrote in message
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Dredging the memory banks, don't tiny little model aircraft engines with one
main bearing produce impossible amounts of power? I had this theory of
linking together about 200 (or was it 2,000?) of them to produce about ten
times as much as a (then) current Formula One engine of equal capacity....
Oh, well, no doubt the rubber bands would have snapped.
Geoff MacK
Jamie Harvey
<geoff_m...@acsysindia.freeserve.co.uk> writes
>
>"Ian Johnston" <engs...@ermine.ox.ac.uk> wrote in message
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>> Jamie Harvey <ja...@hornbeam.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>> : In article <9tauc5$75h$2...@news.ox.ac.uk>, Ian Johnston
>> : <engs...@ermine.ox.ac.uk> writes
>>
>> :>I believe 80 - 90 hp has been achieved without any silly tricks - which
>is
>> :>pretty damn good for 850cc!
>>
>> : But not compared to modern bike engines, my 600 which isn't hugely
>> : over the top produces around 100bhp.
>>
>> This is true - and that is, of course, pretty pathetic compared to model
>> aircraft engines. So can I rephrase it as "pretty damn good for a four-in-
>> line, water cooled, overhead-valve-with-rockers, reasonably wide
>power-band
>> and service life ten times that of a bike engine 850cc"?
Better. :) I think bike engines are capable of long lives, 100,000+
miles isn't that unusual. But I suspect that most are ridden pretty hard
simply because they can very easily be. And they probably need a more
regular TLC than car engines. Frequent oil changes have huge benefits.
>Dredging the memory banks, don't tiny little model aircraft engines with one
>main bearing produce impossible amounts of power? I had this theory of
>linking together about 200 (or was it 2,000?) of them to produce about ten
>times as much as a (then) current Formula One engine of equal capacity....
>Oh, well, no doubt the rubber bands would have snapped.
Interesting. But how much torque? Very little I'd imagine. And what fuel
consumption? And err.. could you keep the noise down please.
And while thinking weird thoughts do jet engines really attain maximum
efficiency at zero rpm... theoretically.
--
Jamie Harvey
Jim Warren
Jamie Harvey <ja...@hornbeam.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
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> over the top produces around 100bhp.
>
motorcycle engine in their kit car and getting amazing performance compared
with the Ford lump they normally use.
Anyone else heard this?
The bBfish
Westfield (who make a copy of the Caterham) already sell a model with
a bike engine in it, called the Megabusa, or something like that
anyway.
--
bB
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Jamie Harvey
<jimw...@freeuk.com> writes
This was the Westfield item I was referring to. My brother told me about
it and I think it was on Top Gear. They've joined to Fireblade engines
together - 240bhp and have built both 2 & 4wd Westfields, the 4wd
apparently in an attempt to get the 0-60mph record.
--
Jamie Harvey
Mark Waterton
vehicles ... nicknaming them screamers.
Anthony Waters
it! :>)))
Anthony Waters
Anthony Waters wrote in message ...
>I'm after a Zenith Carburettor to fit my Reliant Kitten - I'm told they are
>easier to adjust for optimum m/gal.
>
>Anyone any ideas?
>
>Anthony
>
>
J Hughes
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Hi Anthony
Did you find a zenith carb ? and has it made any difference ?
To be honest I rather doubt that its worth the trouble. The best fuel
economizer is your right foot ! :--)) Best of luck anyway.
Cheers John
Anthony Waters
>> Anthony Waters wrote in message ...
>> >I'm after a Zenith Carburettor to fit my Reliant Kitten - I'm told they
>are
>> >easier to adjust for optimum m/gal.
>> >
>> >Anyone any ideas?
>> >
>> >Anthony
>
>Hi Anthony
> Did you find a zenith carb ? and has it made any difference ?
>To be honest I rather doubt that its worth the trouble. The best fuel
>economizer is your right foot ! :--)) Best of luck anyway.
> Cheers John
>
No, I haven't found one yet!, Is it easy enough to adjust the SU other
than just mixture?
I'm getting about 40m/gal at the moment around town - I've heard it's
possible to get this into the low 60's/gal and up into the late 70's for a
long run? Realistic?
Great little car the Kitten though - I saw a Kitten pickup for sale in the
local Ad-Mart - nice idea!
Thanks everyone for your answers (well most of you at any rate!)
Anthony :>)
Stan Barr
<a.e-w...@ukonline.co.uk> wrote:
>
> No, I haven't found one yet!, Is it easy enough to adjust the SU other
>than just mixture?
You can play with different needles, but it rapidly gets expensive.
Not many carbs will give better economy than a well set-up SU.
(Vizard on economy "To date I have found nothing to beat a correctly
calibrated SU carb...")
The HIF is usually regarded as the best.
>I'm getting about 40m/gal at the moment around town - I've heard it's
>possible to get this into the low 60's/gal and up into the late 70's for a
>long run? Realistic?
You'd have to drive awful slow to get 60mpg! 40-50-ish mpg is about typical,
I think. My friend used to get about that from a Regal van (Trotter style,
but lowered and converted to 10-inch wheels with an 850 engine). His 998 Mini
would do just as well...and quicker.