Diff lock on Daihatsu Terios
Andrew Oakley
Occasionally we get half a metre deep floodwater about 200 metres down
the road from my house. I use the diff lock on my Daihatsu Terios to
make sure I get through it, and then when I pull up outside my house
and switch the diff lock off, the back wheels lock when I try to
reverse turn into my drive. Even happens when I stop and restart the
engine. Solved by driving on further and doing a forward U-turn.
Why is this happening if I have just switched the diff lock off? Does
the diff lock take a certain amount of time to unlock?
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Ian Rawlings
Andrew Oakley <andrew@spam_me_not_oakley.net> wrote:
> Why is this happening if I have just switched the diff lock off? Does
> the diff lock take a certain amount of time to unlock?
Well I'm not convinced that you should be using the diff lock in the
first place in such a situation, low range would be useful to make
sure you don't stall but I doubt you'll need diff lock. I've driven
all over some extreme sites and some very muddy green lanes without
diff lock on my LR110, it's amazing how little you really need it if
you turn it off.
However, every diff lock I've ever used, from my Landy to my Audi,
have needed a few rotations to disengage, sometimes as much as 100
yards. I think the pin that locks the diff can be held in place by
pressure from the teeth of the cogs it's locking, so it can't always
return to the park position as soon as you might like. I've seen
someone actually having to weave around on mud to get one of the
damned things to unlock!
--
There are no facts, only opinions.
Geoff
->Well I'm not convinced that you should be using the diff lock in the
->first place in such a situation, low range would be useful to make
->sure you don't stall but I doubt you'll need diff lock. I've driven
->all over some extreme sites and some very muddy green lanes without
->diff lock on my LR110, it's amazing how little you really need it if
->you turn it off.
You can't be trying very hard if you can get around without the central diff
locked !
---
Geoff
Anorak off road club web site.
http://www.anoraks.org/
Andrew Oakley
Rawlings) wrote:
>However, every diff lock I've ever used, from my Landy to my Audi,
>have needed a few rotations to disengage, sometimes as much as 100
>yards. I think the pin that locks the diff can be held in place by
Explains everything. Thanks for the advice. I'll build up my
confidence without the diff lock with some lower flood levels!
Ian Rawlings
Geoff <Geoff> wrote:
> You can't be trying very hard if you can get around without the
> central diff locked !
That site in Pingewood that you've tried, I've never needed diff lock
on that despite the mud, usually just a case of using my wellies, as
in "give it more wellie"!
Geoff
-> Geoff <Geoff> wrote:
->
->> You can't be trying very hard if you can get around without the
->> central diff locked !
->
->That site in Pingewood that you've tried, I've never needed diff lock
->on that despite the mud, usually just a case of using my wellies, as
->in "give it more wellie"!
Is Pingewood the play bit next to the tip ? I know the area but have never
played.
I'll wager you a shiney shilling that you would not get 50 yards from the
tea hut at Battle with a open center diff (last year you would not even have
got toe the tea hut !)
Ian Rawlings
Geoff <Geoff> wrote:
> Is Pingewood the play bit next to the tip ? I know the area but have
> never played.
It's the one on "Cottage Lane", no access controls, trough at the
entrance to keep out the Fronteras (clang!) and transit vans, I
thought you'd been down there a few times? I've found the owner
finally.
> I'll wager you a shiney shilling that you would not get 50 yards
> from the tea hut at Battle with a open center diff (last year you
> would not even have got toe the tea hut !)
I'll be looking for more offroad adventures soon, so I hope I'll need
to use it, but the Pingewood site is pretty tough going in places but
I've never needed diff lock. Then again I've never been through it
after 20 others have been through before me!
Simon Avery
Hello Andrew
AO> Occasionally we get half a metre deep floodwater about 200
AO> metres down the road from my house. I use the diff lock on
AO> my Daihatsu Terios to make sure I get through it,
Why would you use diff lock for a flood?
DL is only of use on mud or other slippery roadsurface, when one wheel
on an axle (or if centre lock as in yours, when one wheel on any axle)
is spinning or likely to spin - a flooded tarmac road gives excellent
traction right up until the point you float away, and DL ain't gonna
help there either. What you're doing is wearing out the centre diff,
and if you continue to do so, it's gonna go 'bang'.
Floods don't need 4wd, all they need is ground clearance and a modicum
of care. If the surface below the flood is slippery - fair enough, but
release DL as soon as you regain a firm foothold.
As to releasing, it sounds like the diff's "wound up" because it's
been used on a sealed surface inappropriately. One way to fix this is
to jack up a wheel and let it release the tension - or drive onto a
greased plank so it can spin and release.
--
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Lee
You could end up doing some serious damage / windup to your diffs.
--
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Andrew Oakley <andrew@spam_me_not_oakley.net> wrote in message ...
David G. Bell
<3ae42f37...@reader-00.news.insnet.cw.net>
andrew@spam_me_not_oakley.net "Andrew Oakley" wrote:
> On Mon, 23 Apr 2001 13:56:21 +0100, new...@tarcus.org.uk (Ian
> Rawlings) wrote:
> >However, every diff lock I've ever used, from my Landy to my Audi,
> >have needed a few rotations to disengage, sometimes as much as 100
> >yards. I think the pin that locks the diff can be held in place by
>
> Explains everything. Thanks for the advice. I'll build up my
> confidence without the diff lock with some lower flood levels!
In my experience, shifting to reverse can often free things if this
happens.
It can be a little startling when the diff lock stays in, the plough
lifts, and you can't steer as the hedge looms.
--
David G. Bell -- Farmer, SF Fan, Filker, and Punslinger.
If I were to go back to my schooldays, knowing what I know now, I would
pack cheese sandwiches for lunch.
Andrew Oakley
(Simon Avery) wrote:
>Why would you use diff lock for a flood?
Because the flood is wider than the road and I can't tell which is
tarmac and which is mud. But the vast concensus on this thread is not
to use diff lock until absolutely desperate, rather as a "just in
case" measure, so in future I shall leave it off.
Simon Avery
Hello David
DGB> It can be a little startling when the diff lock stays in,
DGB> the plough lifts, and you can't steer as the hedge looms.
Hee!
First time I used diff locks on a tractor I didn't know how to
disengage them. Kept on going, turning the wheel like buggery but
nothing happening!
Geoff
-> Geoff <Geoff> wrote:
->
->> never played.
->
->It's the one on "Cottage Lane", no access controls, trough at the
->entrance to keep out the Fronteras (clang!) and transit vans, I
->thought you'd been down there a few times? I've found the owner
->finally.
Have you got any pictures ? Might be worth trundling over the the inlaws ;-)
Ian Rawlings
Simon Avery <SPAM.B.GO...@softhome.net> wrote:
> First time I used diff locks on a tractor I didn't know how to
> disengage them. Kept on going, turning the wheel like buggery but
> nothing happening!
Motor trikes (ATCs) are like that, to get around the corner you have
to lean out of the bend (i.e. the opposite way to the lean on a
motorcycle). I'd imagine you'd have to be mightily fat for that to be
effective on a tractor though..
Ian Rawlings
Geoff <Geoff> wrote:
> Have you got any pictures ?
Alas no, I went up there some time ago with my cameras, unfortunately
I also took my landy so spent the time dashing around in that rather
than taking pictures!
> Might be worth trundling over the the inlaws ;-)
Trundling over the inlaws? Crikey!
Unfortunately the track agent takes a dim view of trespassers, despite
there being no clues as to who owns the track (a sign with his contact
details would help enormously). When I asked the locals they pointed
me to a landfill company who told me that they knew about the track
and that it was OK to use it, however it seems they've never had
anything to do with it other than working on the land next door
(according to the agent).
It's hard to know who to believe to be honest but I think that you'd
best keep off unless you pay the agent the required 150 quid minimum
fee to hire the track for the day, and he can arrange to be present on
the day as required. I'll get around to calling the local council to
find out who officially owns it but I think the agent is telling the
truth.
Note that this could serve as a cautionary tale about not checking
officially and trusting what people tell you, the cock-and-bull story
I was spun by the locals and the landfill company (Clembins) led me
and a few others to trespass on the track unwittingly. Of course if
the people responsible for the land would just put some contact
details somewhere then that would make things easier..
Geoff
->It's hard to know who to believe to be honest but I think that you'd
->best keep off unless you pay the agent the required 150 quid minimum
->fee to hire the track for the day, and he can arrange to be present on
->the day as required. I'll get around to calling the local council to
->find out who officially owns it but I think the agent is telling the
->truth.
So you've found someone who claims to own the land and they want 150 quid to
let us play on it ?
---
Ian Rawlings
Geoff <Geoff> wrote:
> So you've found someone who claims to own the land and they want 150
> quid to let us play on it ?
Sort of. He says the land is owned by the fishing organisation that
owns the lake and car park opposite the track, he is the land agent
for the company by agreement with them, and has created the off-road
track as part of his role as the southern representative of the
All-Wheel-Drive club (he races class-1 modified racers). The 150 quid
is I think for insurance despite the disclaimers you have to sign, and
he must be there or a representative. The disclaimers you sign are
headed with his name and number, and state that you'll not bother the
Reading and District Angling Association with any lawsuits should you
screw up.
I seem to remember that some people in this group had used the track
regularly for about a year without ever finding out who owned it, if
that's the case then it doesn't seem like it gets used much, so it's a
shame to rule it out for occasional two or three vehicle happy hours.
I'll email you his contact details if you want?
Geoff
->I'll email you his contact details if you want?
No rush, next time we're over that way I'll have a look. If you hear of any
"events" let us know.
karl sch.
Now why could you not send each other emails, instead of all of us thinking
you have something interresting to say about diff locks. That's called
discourteous or rude if you like.
Thank you
Karl
Ian Rawlings
You could have sent this via email you know..
Besides other people in this group are involved in the track in question.
Michael
I agree with those who suggested that the difflock doesn't disengage
immediately because of the wind-up between front and rear. This causes
the sliding dog (or similar mechanism) to be under pressure, so it
can't slide. Matters are made worse once the system is a bit old, as
the splines on the shaft, or the teeth, can get a bit worn.
Unfortunately, reversing seldom helps release it, because the front
wheels always take a longer path than the rear, no matter which way
you turn, and no matter whether you are going forwards or backwards.
The best is to drive onto a slippery surface (a bit of surface mud
will do), without applying power (depress the clutch, in fact, if it's
a manual). The front wheels will slip slightly, and it should disengae
easily).
Don't be worried about using it though, in my opinion. Better that
it's locked when it's needed! I agree with those who say that it's not
often needed - it's only in a few situations that it will make a
significant difference. But it's very unlikely to do your vehicle
damage to lock it on a wet or flooded road. (I have heard arguments in
favour of engaging 4wd in the rain!).
Regards,
Michael...
Ooops, I just realised that I'm not sure you are referring to a centre
diff. If the Terios has an axle-diff lock, then I'd be a lot more wary
about engaging it on tarmac, even when wet. And also, my comments
about unsticking it don't apply to axle diff locks. Just weave the
vehicle about from side to side several times (preferably not on
tarmac) - at some point the wheel speeds will be the same, and the
diff will unlock.
Geoff
->
->Now why could you not send each other emails, instead of all of us thinking
->you have something interresting to say about diff locks. That's called
We were talking about a venue for a event that everyone in this group would
be invited to, maybe we should have changed the subject line, but then this
is usenet and most of the time the subject line has nothing to do with what
it being discussed.
->discourteous or rude if you like.
->Thank you
No rude is a newbie having a unjustified winge.
karl sch.
<Geoff> wrote in message
news:988185054.6200.0...@news.demon.co.uk...
> "karl sch." spake thus unto uk.rec.cars.4x4
> ->
> ->Now why could you not send each other emails, instead of all of us
thinking
> ->you have something interresting to say about diff locks. That's called
>
> We were talking about a venue for a event that everyone in this group
would
> be invited to, maybe we should have changed the subject line, but then
this
> is usenet and most of the time the subject line has nothing to do with
what
> it being discussed.
>
> ->discourteous or rude if you like.
> ->Thank you
>
> No rude is a newbie having a unjustified winge.
Newbie? You think you know it all, cos you 've had a PC for 5 minutes.
I have been working in Systems Analysis since before you knew what a
killfile was.
You are always the first one to whinge, when people post inappropriatly, and
now instead of apologizing, you call ME a whinger.
Geoff
->Newbie? You think you know it all, cos you 've had a PC for 5 minutes.
->I have been working in Systems Analysis since before you knew what a
->killfile was.
Gosh I am impressed.............. All I analyse it the topography on my
navel.
->You are always the first one to whinge, when people post inappropriatly,
and
->now instead of apologizing, you call ME a whinger.
I have a go at spammers, neither Ian or I were spamming, we were publicly
planning a offroad trip to which the group was going to be invited, if you
been here for any length of time you will know I have organised in excess of
50 events for the good people of this group.
Should you care to examine the charter you will find that discussion of off
road events is well with in it. (I would tell you were the charter but as you
as you are so clever there must be no need)
---
Ian Rawlings
karl sch. <a...@b.com> wrote:
> You are always the first one to whinge, when people post inappropriatly, and
> now instead of apologizing, you call ME a whinger.
Well, you *are* whinging... Sorry, but it's perfectly true!
Simon Avery
Hello karl
>> No rude is a newbie having a unjustified winge.
ks> Newbie? You think you know it all, cos you 've had a PC for
ks> 5 minutes. I have been working in Systems Analysis since
ks> before you knew what a killfile was. You are always the
Then you ought to know better. Pretty clearly you don't have any
experience in netiquette, or plain ol' manners, come to that.
ks> first one to whinge, when people post inappropriatly,
ks> and now instead of apologizing, you call ME a whinger.
Geoff's damn right.
Speaking of killfiles, welcome to mine, Troll.
Andrew Kay
"karl sch." <a...@b.com> wrote in message
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>
> >
> > No rude is a newbie having a unjustified winge.
>
>
> Newbie? You think you know it all, cos you 've had a PC for 5 minutes.
> I have been working in Systems Analysis since before you knew what a
> killfile was.
No - had you been a 'newbie', you'd have used the newbie term 'Data
Architect' instead of the obsolescsent term 'Systems Analyst' that no one
seems to use any more. You're showing your age!!
Geoff
->"karl sch." <a...@b.com> wrote in message
->> Newbie? You think you know it all, cos you 've had a PC for 5 minutes.
->> I have been working in Systems Analysis since before you knew what a
->> killfile was.
->
->No - had you been a 'newbie', you'd have used the newbie term 'Data
->Architect' instead of the obsolescsent term 'Systems Analyst' that no one
->seems to use any more. You're showing your age!!
Perhaps System Analyst is still a valid phrase up there in Scotland. Made me
think of 8" floppy drives, 5 1/4Mb Rodime hard drives and TRS-80's not that
I am that old, I just started young ;-)
----
Ian Rawlings
Geoff <Geoff> wrote:
> Perhaps System Analyst is still a valid phrase up there in Scotland.
No, I think he misspelt "Analist"!
k.a.r.l h
"Simon Avery" <SPAM.B.GO...@softhome.net> wrote in message
news:9882...@f90.n255.z2.fidonet.org...
> "karl sch." <a...@b.com> wrote:
>
> Hello karl
>
> >> No rude is a newbie having a unjustified winge.
>
> ks> Newbie? You think you know it all, cos you 've had a PC for
> ks> 5 minutes. I have been working in Systems Analysis since
> ks> before you knew what a killfile was. You are always the
>
> Then you ought to know better. Pretty clearly you don't have any
> experience in netiquette, or plain ol' manners, come to that.
Netiquette....I give up.
>
> ks> first one to whinge, when people post inappropriatly,
> ks> and now instead of apologizing, you call ME a whinger.
>
> Geoff's damn right.
>
> Speaking of killfiles, welcome to mine, Troll.
Hmm. didn't work, did it. Don't get cocky, it's your contact details, that
are in the public domain.( Digital Dilemma Fidonet BBS2, UK - +44 (0)1626
836163 24/7)
Anyway stop your moaning and get a life..... And Ian, I thought you ewere
the anal one, but here we go, I've come down to your level now!
Ian Rawlings
k.a.r.l h <al...@beta.co.uk> wrote:
> Hmm. didn't work, did it. Don't get cocky, it's your contact
> details, that are in the public domain.
Oooh is that a threat to "come round" then?
> Anyway stop your moaning and get a life..... And Ian, I thought you ewere
"*ewe*re"? Are ewe saying a little more about ewere sex life than
perhaps ewe should, you baaaa-d man?
Or perhaps ewere spelling is just a little wooly?
> the anal one, but here we go, I've come down to your level now!
You can never hope to attain my level, there's only room for one down
here!
Geoff
->> Anyway stop your moaning and get a life..... And Ian, I thought you ewere
->
->"*ewe*re"? Are ewe saying a little more about ewere sex life than
->perhaps ewe should, you baaaa-d man?
->
->Or perhaps ewere spelling is just a little wooly?
ROTFLMAO !! I was tempted to do something like this, but with my typing and
spelling skills I am only opening up myself for more abuse.
Can we draw a close to this now ?
---
Neil
<snip>
> ->No - had you been a 'newbie', you'd have used the newbie term 'Data
> ->Architect' instead of the obsolescsent term 'Systems Analyst' that no
> one ->seems to use any more. You're showing your age!!
>
> Perhaps System Analyst is still a valid phrase up there in Scotland.
> Made me think of 8" floppy drives, 5 1/4Mb Rodime hard drives and
> TRS-80's not that I am that old, I just started young ;-)
> ----
> Geoff
> Anorak off road club web site.
> http://www.anoraks.org/
It's still a valid description in the Ford Motor Co.!! In fact it don't
matter what you do - MCSE, Oracle DBA, C3P Guru - you are still tagged as a
Systems Analyst :-)
Neil
ka.sc.h
From: "Ian Rawlings" <new...@tarcus.org.uk>
Newsgroups: uk.rec.cars.4x4
Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2001 4:45 PM
Subject: Re: IAN and GEOFF
> On Thu, 26 Apr 2001 14:16:13 +0100,
> k.a.r.l h <al...@beta.co.uk> wrote:
>
> > Hmm. didn't work, did it. Don't get cocky, it's your contact
> > details, that are in the public domain.
>
> Oooh is that a threat to "come round" then?
only if I were a primitive like you... The thought hadn't even occurred to
me.
> > Anyway stop your moaning and get a life..... And Ian, I thought you
ewere
> "*ewe*re"? Are ewe saying a little more about ewere sex life than
> perhaps ewe should, you baaaa-d man?
>
> Or perhaps ewere spelling is just a little wooly?
>
Hilarious, Your debating skills, and intellect makes me look so silly now,
why did I ever start this....
> > the anal one, but here we go, I've come down to your level now!
>
> You can never hope to attain my level, there's only room for one down
> here!
You're what we call a "numpty" up here. Thick as 3 plank and proud of it.
I hope you find some more typos to amuse you.
Simon Avery
Hello k.a.r.l
>> Speaking of killfiles, welcome to mine, Troll.
karlh> Hmm. didn't work, did it.
What's this? You found a way around the high-tech blocking of a
generic killfile? Gosh, colour me impressed.
karlh> Don't get cocky, it's your contact
karlh> details, that are in the public domain.( Digital Dilemma
karlh> Fidonet BBS2, UK - +44 (0)1626 836163 24/7)
Give it a try.
The same information is spread in several hundred places on the net,
not just in my Organisation: line where you so cleverly 'found' it. If
you actually know what a BBS is, you'll know why letting people in on
the number is usually quite a good plan - thanks for the advertising,
BTW. Hell, my number's been distributed internationally since 1986,
probably before you'd even heard of the word 'modem'.
Here's a clue; www.fidonet.org
Also see if you can 'trace' the software I use, all of it. That
information is also publically available - as is the code to the stuff
I wrote myself. Shouldn't be too tricky for someone of your obvious
technical talents. Even Illiad's mollusc could probably do it.
'Course, I could interpret the above as a threat, but I choose not to.
That would mean I'm dealing with somebody with a mental, and probably
physical, age of 11, and I prefer to believe you're a grown up.
Any reply ought to go to my email address, if you can get past the
convoluted and complex spam-blocker.
Geoff
->You're what we call a "numpty" up here. Thick as 3 plank and proud of it.
->I hope you find some more typos to amuse you.
Bang goes any claim to the moral high ground.
kar.l sc.h
<Geoff> wrote in message
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> "ka.sc.h" spake thus unto uk.rec.cars.4x4
>
> ->You're what we call a "numpty" up here. Thick as 3 plank and proud of
it.
> ->I hope you find some more typos to amuse you.
>
> Bang goes any claim to the moral high ground.
Geoff, you're right. I shouldn't have stooped that low, I apologize.
I hope, that we can move on now.
Geoff
->Geoff, you're right. I shouldn't have stooped that low, I apologize.
->I hope, that we can move on now.
And you better get back to troll school.
kar.l sc.h
<Geoff> wrote in message
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> "kar.l sc.h" spake thus unto uk.rec.cars.4x4
>
> ->Geoff, you're right. I shouldn't have stooped that low, I apologize.
> ->I hope, that we can move on now.
>
> And you better get back to troll school.
you can't let it rest, can you you stupid primitive.
Geoff
->you can't let it rest, can you you stupid primitive.
->
For someone who has claimed the moral and intellectual high ground you result
to insults very quickly.
I would ask you why your posts start when the schools have chucked out but
that means you would reply, and quite frankly you have become tedious.
I apologise to others in the group for wasting bandwidth.