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David WE Roberts

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Nov 10, 2009, 1:27:58 PM11/10/09
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Hi,

just started looking for a spotting scope and need some advice.

At Amazon, I have found two scopes, Bresser Safari 20-60*80 and Barr&Stroud
'Sahara' 20-60*80.
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Barr-Stroud-Sahara-20-60x80-Spotting/dp/B002BTJPHC/ref=sr_1_80?ie=UTF8&s=electronics&qid=1257876505&sr=1-80
and
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Bresser-Safari-20-60x80-Spotting-Scope/dp/B000UNVIIK/ref=wl_it_dp_o?ie=UTF8&coliid=I2OLGK84S8NQVP&colid=1UOETQ9CU282F

Both have the picture of the Bresser Safari and this made me wonder if this
was a 'cock up' on the web site or if the two are identical products with
different logos.

If they are different, then which is better?

Alternatively is there a better scope in a comparable price range?

I am looking for a scope with a wide lens (80 rather than 60) and a zoom up
to 60 times.
I have seeen some comments that zooming up to 60 times can result in a very
dark image (hence the 80 lens).
Again, any advice welcome.

Cheers

Dave R

David WE Roberts

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Nov 10, 2009, 2:35:13 PM11/10/09
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"David WE Roberts" <nos...@talk21.com> wrote in message
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> Hi,
>
> just started looking for a spotting scope and need some advice.
>
> At Amazon, I have found two scopes, Bresser Safari 20-60*80 and
> Barr&Stroud 'Sahara' 20-60*80.
> http://www.amazon.co.uk/Barr-Stroud-Sahara-20-60x80-Spotting/dp/B002BTJPHC/ref=sr_1_80?ie=UTF8&s=electronics&qid=1257876505&sr=1-80
> and
> http://www.amazon.co.uk/Bresser-Safari-20-60x80-Spotting-Scope/dp/B000UNVIIK/ref=wl_it_dp_o?ie=UTF8&coliid=I2OLGK84S8NQVP&colid=1UOETQ9CU282F
>
> Both have the picture of the Bresser Safari and this made me wonder if
> this was a 'cock up' on the web site or if the two are identical products
> with different logos.

Just answered my own question.
http://www.ukoptics.co.uk/barr-stroud-sahara-2060x80-spotting-scope-p-762.html
just a case of rebranding.

Alf King

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Nov 11, 2009, 4:26:56 AM11/11/09
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A lot of Bresser equipment under various brands has been sold at Aldi
& Lidl in recent times. Lets just say that you get what you pay for.

A friend of mine has recently bought a 'scope from Clearview
http://clearviewbinoculars.co.uk/shop/acatalog/ that he is pleased
with, although I have no personal experience of their kit. I'll stick
with my Kowa for now.

I don't know what your age and fitness are but do take into account
that a 80mm scope is much heavier than a 60mm especially at the
cheaper end of the market. Also, personally, I find a magnification of
greater than 40x is difficult to use under any conditions and in wind
or hot weather is pretty useless.

HTH

Alf King

David WE Roberts

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Nov 11, 2009, 4:52:01 AM11/11/09
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"Alf King" <alfk...@hotmail.co.uk> wrote in message
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Alf,

thanks for that - I may well be falling into the 'bigger is better' trap.
Presumably better to have as large a front end as possible to get the
maximum light (but beware the weight).
Not much point in paying for higher magnification if you can't use it.
I will revisit the 15-45 scopes.

Cheers

Dave R

I will have another look at the

Alf King

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Nov 14, 2009, 9:57:32 AM11/14/09
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David WE Roberts

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Nov 25, 2009, 9:08:40 AM11/25/09
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"Alf King" <alfk...@hotmail.co.uk> wrote in message
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I considered smaller scopes but decided that for my mixed needs I would
benefit from something a bit larger.

Ended up with a Celestron Ultima 80 which seems pretty good so far.
I bought it because it was the only one where I could find positive reviews
on the Internet.

Now considering upgrading my tripod because it is not as stable as I would
like - then again I bought it as a student and that was a LONG time ago!

I am waiting for clearer skies to try a bit of star gazing and a less windy
day to go to the cliff top and look out over the sea to the horizon.

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