Ecosse gets its knickers in a twist
Don Pearce
As an important added bonus - and we believe unprecedented at anywhere
near this price - this cable has a braid screen with drain wire to
shield the music signal against radio frequency interference. When the
screen is drained at the amplifier's earth terminal, the already black
background becomes even blacker, and notes decay with an even greater
coherence into the acoustic; leading edges are crisper and the
soundstage becomes even more focussed and altogether more believable.
OK Elliot:
Tell us how the music goes black.
Answer here...
Please explain how "notes decay with an even greater coherence into
the acoustic" occurs as a result of adding a drain wire.
Answer here...
d
_____________________________
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http://www.pearce.uk.com
Big Al
"Don Pearce" <donald.wi...@pearce.uk.com> wrote in message
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Ian Thompson-bell
> Ecosse says:
>
> As an important added bonus - and we believe unprecedented at anywhere
> near this price - this cable has a braid screen with drain wire to
> shield the music signal against radio frequency interference. When the
> screen is drained at the amplifier's earth terminal, the already black
> background becomes even blacker, and notes decay with an even greater
> coherence into the acoustic; leading edges are crisper and the
> soundstage becomes even more focussed and altogether more believable.
>
>
Are people legally allowed to spout such bull?
Ian
trotsky
When will the madness end? Go hide your head in the sand, Ian, and pray
for Armageddon.
Stewart Pinkerton
Yes, because the above is essentially meaningless. Note that this is
standard low-cost Belden or equivalent data transmission cable,
typically around 30-50p a metre, being sold at grossly inflated prices
as audio cable, to gullible customers who don't understand basic
electronics.
--
Stewart Pinkerton | Music is art, audio is engineering
Stewart Pinkerton
>Don, who are these people anyway?
They're a bunch of con men who buy in standard but good-looking cables
made for other purposes, and flog them on at grossly inflated prices
to customers who don't understand basic electronics.
As Don has noted, the website is filled with ludicrous claims and
technobabble nonsense. When challenged to *prove* their fatuous
claims, they came on all strong at first, but when I agreed to their
conditions for the test, they panicked and hid in the bushes.
Reverend DVDVD Man
far up his ass, with all this award nonsense.
No trade price list, Packaging is often broken and that doesn't say Ecosse
on it, so the poor buggers how have fallen for the What H-Fi? review don't
believe that it's the same product.
When you do agree a discount from the RRP price structure, they invoice you
for the wrong amount and when you do come to order, you have to order £400
quids worth of their cables, which is a lot of money for cables, especially
if you only need one model.
I stopped dealing with them because they haven't got a clue about business,
Elliott's entry in to this group proves that.
He has single handily pissed off everyone and drawn more people to being
sceptical about using good cables.
"Don Pearce" <donald.wi...@pearce.uk.com> wrote in message
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Lee Edward Armstrong
Stewart Pinkerton wrote:
> >Are people legally allowed to spout such bull?
>
> Yes, because the above is essentially meaningless. Note that this is
> standard low-cost Belden or equivalent data transmission cable,
> typically around 30-50p a metre, being sold at grossly inflated prices
> as audio cable, to gullible customers who don't understand basic
> electronics.
I would have said that some data cables can be used as the basis of an audio
cable quite well. However its probably far better to buy them from maplins /
RS for the normal price and terminate them yourselves =;-)
cya,
Lee
Hifijunkies
have a short memory, but that chap did some pretty naughty things and took
Furukawa for a hell of a lot of money I seem to remember. The other chap Elliot
has obtained goods by deception from manufacturers when he had his posh shop in
Glasgow. He still owes me over Ł500.
Stewart Pinkerton
Absolutely! BTW, lots of people use CAT5 for speaker cable, makes a
nice low-inducatnce connection if you wire it correctly.
Actually, I used to use the polyprop-insulated IBM data cable (type 2
IIRC) for interconnects, but it's not very flexible.
Don Pearce
>Glasgow. He still owes me over £500.
He just goes on getting better... A liar and a louse. All he needs to
be now is fat and ugly and he has the full set.
Anybody know?
Ian Thompson-bell
Yes, but it is also misleaing and surely that's illegal?
Ian
--
Ian Thompson-Bell
Reverend DVDVD Man
manager for "Wet, Wet, Wet" not a great sales pitch I know!
But is this just more of his BS?
I feel an investigation is needed???
"Don Pearce" <donald.wi...@pearce.uk.com> wrote in message
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> On 05 Jul 2001 16:33:06 GMT, hifij...@aol.com (Hifijunkies) wrote:
>
> >Is the ex distributor of Furukawa still involved with Ecosse? Some people
might
> >have a short memory, but that chap did some pretty naughty things and
took
> >Furukawa for a hell of a lot of money I seem to remember. The other chap
Elliot
> >has obtained goods by deception from manufacturers when he had his posh
shop in
> >Glasgow. He still owes me over Ł500.
Stewart Pinkerton
>Glasgow. He still owes me over £500.
Damn, I knew that name rang a bell!
OK guys, full-on attack mode. Elliot Davis is a crook, so anyone
buying product from a company run by him is buying from a known
fraudster.
Of course, my challenge is still open. Come on down Elliot, you just
have to show that your winderful award-winning cables are superior to
cheap generic 'crap' to win £1,000 and a reputation for great sound.
Helloooooo, anyone there?
John Roberts
working for them.
John Roberts
John Roberts
John Roberts
John Roberts
John Roberts
feel it in my fingers"
John Roberts
Stewart Pinkerton wrote:
> hifij...@aol.com (Hifijunkies) writes:
>
> >Is the ex distributor of Furukawa still involved with Ecosse? Some people might
> >have a short memory, but that chap did some pretty naughty things and took
> >Furukawa for a hell of a lot of money I seem to remember. The other chap Elliot
> >has obtained goods by deception from manufacturers when he had his posh shop in
> >Glasgow. He still owes me over Ł500.
>
> Damn, I knew that name rang a bell!
>
> OK guys, full-on attack mode. Elliot Davis is a crook, so anyone
> buying product from a company run by him is buying from a known
> fraudster.
>
> Of course, my challenge is still open. Come on down Elliot, you just
> have to show that your winderful award-winning cables are superior to
> cheap generic 'crap' to win Ł1,000 and a reputation for great sound.
Hifijunkies
products, sell them, but don't pay the supplier. With this pedigree what future
does Eccose have? I have been told....Originally Ecosse Maf was the brain
child of a Man called JC. JC started in the cable business by importing
Furukawa and sold a lot of it. Unfortunatly he had two companies, one importing
and one distributing. Guess which one went bust owing a lot of money? I think
JC now sells reference cables so I hope the supplier in the Far east reads this
posting, it could save him 100k plus.
Isn't it strange how the audio industry attracts these people. Mind you with
the state of the Hi Fi comics being so corruptable may be its not a surprise.
Regarding Elliott Davis I never thanked him for the free wet wet wet tickets he
gave my ex-girl friend. We were in a stable relationship unit I found out she
liked www!
Clap hands here comes charlie (ho hum..snort)
Pman
John Carrick
an apology.
Naturally since the originator can conveniently hide his or her identity
behind an e-mail address, these slanderous statements should be viewed with
some scepticism.
I provided Ecosse with their award winning designs and the design philosophy
and whilst clearly from the postings and the web site, it's pretty obvious
to me that Ecosse have 'elaborated,' I hesitate to go into detail in case I
stir up another hornets nest.
Much of the detail was secured from my time with Furukawa as their
distributor. I did not run two Companies and I did not go bust owing a lot
of money. If the author would care to let me know his or her identity, I'll
happily argue with him or her in a Court of Law.
I found working with Ecosse, difficult and I resigned about one year ago
which coincided with many of the awards....
I'm now sorry I ever got involved in the first place and I'm concerned that
for reasons best known to themselves, someone, perhaps an envious competitor
in the cable business has seen fit yo involve me........ if so please note,
I have nothing to do with Ecosse or Davis.
Perhaps the culprit would care to reveal themselves in order that we all
know who would sink to such low depths, and why?
John S Carrick
"Hifijunkies" <hifij...@aol.com> wrote in message
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ecosse cables
He still owes me over £500.
and;
has obtained goods by deception from manufacturers
Excuse me Sir
You have made some serious accusations here. Who are you and what are you
refering to. A disagreement is one thing slander is another. I hope you can
back up these quite serious accusation. Because if you cant the laws in
this country-where reputation is at stake- are quite clear and I will have
no hesitation on taking you to court if you continue with these malicious
lies. Now, if you have a genuine payment problem call me and I will sort it
out.If not repeat your lies and my lawers will be in touch.
Thankyou
Best Regards.
Elliot Davis
M.D. Ecosse Reference Cables
www.ecossecables.co.uk
tel 0044(0)141 353 0509
fax 0044(0)141 353 7444
WORLD CLASS CABLES from ECOSSE
Speaker Cable of the Year Ecosse CS2.3
Interconnect of the Year Ecosse The Conductor CA1
Digital Interconnect of the Year Ecosse The Producer
Best Interconnect £150+ Ecosse The Maestro MA2
Best Speaker Cable £20+ Ecosse MS2.3
AWARDS COURTESY of WHAT HI-FI? AWARDS 2000-2001
ES2.3 voted 'Best of Test' and 5-stars by What HiFi? Magazine July2001
The Composer Interconnect voted 'Best of Test'and 5-stars by What Hi-Fi?
Sound and Vision Magazine (August 2001) and 'Best of Test' and 'Best Buy'
by HiFi Choice Magazine 2001
The Producer Digital voted 'Best Buy'-What Video+TV 2001
CS4.4 Speaker Cable voted 'Best Buy'- What Video+TV 2001
CS2.3 Speaker Cable voted 'Best Buy-What Video+TV 2001
The Maestro,The Director Digital and The Cine Video all voted 'Best Buys' by
Home Entertainment Magazine 1999-2000
Hifijunkies <hifij...@aol.com> wrote in message
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ecosse cables
OK guys, full-on attack mode. Elliot Davis is a crook, so anyone
buying product from a company run by him is buying from a known
fraudster.
Mr Pinkerton.
A disagreement is one thing slander is another. I hope you can
back up these quite serious accusation. Because if you cant the laws in
this country-where reputation is at stake- are quite clear and I will have
no hesitation on taking you to court if you continue with these malicious
lies.
..and MY challenge is still open,yours failed at the first hurdle.
Thankyou
Best Regards.
Elliot Davis
M.D. Ecosse Reference Cables
www.ecossecables.co.uk
tel 0044(0)141 353 0509
fax 0044(0)141 353 7444
WORLD CLASS CABLES from ECOSSE
Speaker Cable of the Year Ecosse CS2.3
Interconnect of the Year Ecosse The Conductor CA1
Digital Interconnect of the Year Ecosse The Producer
Best Interconnect £150+ Ecosse The Maestro MA2
Best Speaker Cable £20+ Ecosse MS2.3
AWARDS COURTESY of WHAT HI-FI? AWARDS 2000-2001
ES2.3 voted 'Best of Test' and 5-stars by What HiFi? Magazine July2001
The Composer Interconnect voted 'Best of Test'and 5-stars by What Hi-Fi?
Sound and Vision Magazine (August 2001) and 'Best of Test' and 'Best Buy'
by HiFi Choice Magazine 2001
The Producer Digital voted 'Best Buy'-What Video+TV 2001
CS4.4 Speaker Cable voted 'Best Buy'- What Video+TV 2001
CS2.3 Speaker Cable voted 'Best Buy-What Video+TV 2001
The Maestro,The Director Digital and The Cine Video all voted 'Best Buys' by
Home Entertainment Magazine 1999-2000
Stewart Pinkerton <pat...@popmail.dircon.co.uk> wrote in message
news:3b44d109....@news.freeserve.net...
Tony Sayer
you mean in this bit of text on your website please. And how do you
measure, and what effect, has this loss, and reduction of velocity at
audio frequencies.
-- Poor dielectric insulation material such as PVC (which has a
relatively high D.C.) causes signal loss, and reduction in signal
velocity.
Thank you
--
Tony Sayer
John Roberts
John Roberts
in answer to a posting that i was under the impression, was somebody i knew, i
have been in contact with that person, who assures me it is no way connected to
him.
Please accept my apologies if i have in any way misled you. I dont know who
Hi-Fi junkies are, i thought i did, it must be someone else.
Stewart Pinkerton
>pat...@popmail.dircon.co.uk (Stewart Pinkerton)
>
>OK guys, full-on attack mode. Elliot Davis is a crook, so anyone
>buying product from a company run by him is buying from a known
>fraudster.
>
>Mr Pinkerton.
>A disagreement is one thing slander is another. I hope you can
>back up these quite serious accusation. Because if you cant the laws in
>this country-where reputation is at stake- are quite clear and I will have
>no hesitation on taking you to court if you continue with these malicious
>lies.
What slander? You are selling a product for which you are making false
claims. This is fraudulent.
>..and MY challenge is still open,yours failed at the first hurdle.
Your 'challenge' is a crock of shit, as I previously explained. My
position is that your cables are no better than cheap generics, and
that the whole idea of 'superior' cables is rubbish. It follows that
neither I nor anyone else can make cables which sound better than
yours, because the plain truth is that all cables sound the same,
except under the most extreme circumstances. I can of course make
cables which will *measure* better than yours, but what would that
prove?
I can prove my case if you have the guts to stand behind your product,
but of course you don't, because you *know* that I am speaking the
truth, and your 'award-winning' cables are overpriced mediocritioes..
Stewart Pinkerton
>Could you explain to me, and I presume others are interested, by what
>you mean in this bit of text on your website please. And how do you
>measure, and what effect, has this loss, and reduction of velocity at
>audio frequencies.
Propagation velocity is a function of dielectric constant, and PVC is
a polar material with quite high losses above 10MHz. That's why it's
not used in RF cables, which tend to have polyethylene, polypropylene
or Teflon dielectrics, often foamed or air-spaced. Not that this is
relevant to audio...................
>-- Poor dielectric insulation material such as PVC (which has a
>relatively high D.C.) causes signal loss, and reduction in signal
>velocity.
Um, actually, that *is* true, as noted above.........
Shame about the rest of the bullshit on the site, mind... :-)
Also shame that propagation velocity and RF losses have nothing to do
with the *sound* of the cable - which is the same as that of any other
cable.
I'd be happy to prove this if Elliot had the guts to stand behind his
product. Of course, he doesn't.................
ecosse cables
Nope, I have definitely not slandered anyone. Everything I have said
is a true description.
"Ken Kessler is an over-opinionated and aggressive
>asshole, and a
>caricature NYJ, and you can quote me."
and :"asshole........."
and: " gutless blowhard,"
...and now he shows his true clours with:
"OK guys, full-on attack mode."
PATHETIC. This says everything about you. Stew,you blew it.
Your challenge was entertaining but ultimately meaningless, when you're
ready to play in the real world - with the big boys-let me know, 'till
then...
Best Regards.
Elliot Davis
M.D. Ecosse Reference Cables
www.ecossecables.co.uk
tel 0044(0)141 353 0509
fax 0044(0)141 353 7444
WORLD CLASS CABLES from ECOSSE
Speaker Cable of the Year Ecosse CS2.3
Interconnect of the Year Ecosse The Conductor CA1
Digital Interconnect of the Year Ecosse The Producer
Best Interconnect £150+ Ecosse The Maestro MA2
Best Speaker Cable £20+ Ecosse MS2.3
AWARDS COURTESY of WHAT HI-FI? AWARDS 2000-2001
ES2.3 voted 'Best of Test' and 5-stars by What HiFi? Magazine July2001
The Composer Interconnect voted 'Best of Test'and 5-stars by What Hi-Fi?
Sound and Vision Magazine (August 2001) and 'Best of Test' and 'Best Buy'
by HiFi Choice Magazine 2001
The Producer Digital voted 'Best Buy'-What Video+TV 2001
CS4.4 Speaker Cable voted 'Best Buy'- What Video+TV 2001
CS2.3 Speaker Cable voted 'Best Buy-What Video+TV 2001
The Maestro,The Director Digital and The Cine Video all voted 'Best Buys' by
Home Entertainment Magazine 1999-2000
ecosse cables <el2...@thefreeinternet.co.uk.NOSPAM> wrote in message
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Stewart Pinkerton
>The language of Stewart Pinkerton:
>
>Nope, I have definitely not slandered anyone. Everything I have said
>is a true description.
>"Ken Kessler is an over-opinionated and aggressive
>>asshole, and a
>>caricature NYJ, and you can quote me."
>
>and :"asshole........."
>
>and: " gutless blowhard,"
As previously noted, an honest description is not slander........
>...and now he shows his true clours with:
>
>"OK guys, full-on attack mode."
>
>PATHETIC. This says everything about you. Stew,you blew it.
>
>Your challenge was entertaining but ultimately meaningless, when you're
>ready to play in the real world - with the big boys-let me know, 'till
>then...
Oh, I'm ready to play with a truly meaningful real-world challenge and
*I* have put my money where my mouth is. *You* are the gutless
blowhard who refuses to stand behind his bullshit product. I guess all
those who read this thread can guess why.............
From rock band manager to cheap conman in one fell swoop..........
Well, maybe not much of a career change at that! :-)
Jim Lesurf
<pat...@popmail.dircon.co.uk> wrote:
> Tony Sayer <tony@bancom_nilspamus_.co.uk> writes:
> >-- Poor dielectric insulation material such as PVC (which has a
> >relatively high D.C.) causes signal loss, and reduction in signal
> >velocity.
> Um, actually, that *is* true, as noted above.........
Well it *might* be true if it were re-written to be in English.
My reaction was, "high D.C. *what*"? I guess he meant "high 'd.c.'
dielectric constant value" but this is just a guess. From what is written
he might mean a high something else.
Slainte,
Jim
--
Electronics http://www.st-and.ac.uk/~www_pa/Scots_Guide/intro/electron.htm
MMWaves http://www.st-and.ac.uk/~www_pa/Scots_Guide/MMWave/Index.html
Armstrong Audio http://www.st-and.demon.co.uk/Audio/armstrong.html
Barbirolli Soc. http://www.st-and.demon.co.uk/JBSoc/JBSoc.html
ecosse cables
WRONG GUY MATE!
Yes, I did,apologies for the mistake. Debate is one thing slander and libel
another.
I note hifij...@aol.com (Hifijunkies) has declined to back up his
malicious accusations.
As you know I have written to you separately,obviously if the culprit is not
part of your organisation then please ignore the contents of the mail.
The appropriate bodies have been contacted and all perpetrators of this
*b...t* will be delt with in due course.
--
Thankyou
Best Regards.
Elliot Davis
M.D. Ecosse Reference Cables
www.ecossecables.co.uk
tel 0044(0)141 353 0509
fax 0044(0)141 353 7444
WORLD CLASS CABLES from ECOSSE
Speaker Cable of the Year Ecosse CS2.3
Interconnect of the Year Ecosse The Conductor CA1
Digital Interconnect of the Year Ecosse The Producer
Best Interconnect £150+ Ecosse The Maestro MA2
Best Speaker Cable £20+ Ecosse MS2.3
AWARDS COURTESY of WHAT HI-FI? AWARDS 2000-2001
ES2.3 voted 'Best of Test' and 5-stars by What HiFi? Magazine July2001
The Composer Interconnect voted 'Best of Test'and 5-stars by What Hi-Fi?
Sound and Vision Magazine (August 2001) and 'Best of Test' and 'Best Buy'
by HiFi Choice Magazine 2001
The Producer Digital voted 'Best Buy'-What Video+TV 2001
CS4.4 Speaker Cable voted 'Best Buy'- What Video+TV 2001
CS2.3 Speaker Cable voted 'Best Buy-What Video+TV 2001
The Maestro,The Director Digital and The Cine Video all voted 'Best Buys' by
Home Entertainment Magazine 1999-2000
John Roberts <john.r...@midlandaudiox-change.co.uk> wrote in message
news:3B45E8AE...@midlandaudiox-change.co.uk...
Don Pearce
<el2...@thefreeinternet.co.uk.NOSPAM> wrote:
><3B45E8AE...@midlandaudiox-change.co.uk>wrote :i THINK YOU GOT THE
>WRONG GUY MATE!
>
>Yes, I did,apologies for the mistake. Debate is one thing slander and libel
>another.
>I note hifij...@aol.com (Hifijunkies) has declined to back up his
>malicious accusations.
>As you know I have written to you separately,obviously if the culprit is not
>part of your organisation then please ignore the contents of the mail.
>The appropriate bodies have been contacted and all perpetrators of this
>*b...t* will be delt with in due course.
Elliot... mate! Are you telling us you are finally doing something
about the authors of your website? Of course, you could pre-empt your
actions against them by removing the *b...t* right now.
Stewart Pinkerton
>In article <3b45ef48...@news.freeserve.net>, Stewart Pinkerton
><pat...@popmail.dircon.co.uk> wrote:
>> Tony Sayer <tony@bancom_nilspamus_.co.uk> writes:
>
>
>> >-- Poor dielectric insulation material such as PVC (which has a
>> >relatively high D.C.) causes signal loss, and reduction in signal
>> >velocity.
>
>> Um, actually, that *is* true, as noted above.........
>
>Well it *might* be true if it were re-written to be in English.
>
>My reaction was, "high D.C. *what*"? I guess he meant "high 'd.c.'
>dielectric constant value" but this is just a guess. From what is written
>he might mean a high something else.
No, it's clear from the context that he means it has a high dielectric
constant, which it does, with the ramifications he describes. Of
course, this still has no relevance to audio............. :-)
Stewart Pinkerton
><3B45E8AE...@midlandaudiox-change.co.uk>wrote :i THINK YOU GOT THE
>WRONG GUY MATE!
>
>Yes, I did,apologies for the mistake. Debate is one thing slander and libel
>another.
>I note hifij...@aol.com (Hifijunkies) has declined to back up his
>malicious accusations.
>As you know I have written to you separately,obviously if the culprit is not
>part of your organisation then please ignore the contents of the mail.
>The appropriate bodies have been contacted and all perpetrators of this
>*b...t* will be delt with in due course.
What, you are resigning from Ecosse?
Hifijunkies
shit . As stated 'I was told' not that I in anyway agree with. I'm not bothered
what you did with Furukawa. (is that how you spell it?)
On another issue the anonomous person who sent an email regarding the name
hifijunkies, if you dont like me using it then TOUGH! I pay my money and I can
call my self what I want.
Pman
Reverend DVDVD Man
"ecosse cables" <el2...@thefreeinternet.co.uk.NOSPAM> wrote in message
news:3b470...@news.bizonline.net...
> <3B45E8AE...@midlandaudiox-change.co.uk>wrote :i THINK YOU GOT THE
> WRONG GUY MATE!
>
> Yes, I did,apologies for the mistake. Debate is one thing slander and
libel
> another.
> I note hifij...@aol.com (Hifijunkies) has declined to back up his
> malicious accusations.
> As you know I have written to you separately,obviously if the culprit is
not
> part of your organisation then please ignore the contents of the mail.
> The appropriate bodies have been contacted and all perpetrators of this
> *b...t* will be delt with in due course.
What's up Elliot, you don't like people attacking you about the way you have
broken USENET and your ISP's rules and about how naff your company is to
deal with, arhhh, poor Elliot.
You are the one who is in the wrong, as for libel, has anybody called you a
donkey raping shit eater?
No, not yet and you haven't came up with any of explanations to the
allegations that people have levelled at you, so you would have a job
proving
libel.
Any way, as much as I dislike Stewart, you wouldn't be able to sue him for
libel as under UK law (Case history anyway) it is your ISP that may have
libelled you by posting it on your news server.
That's if you have asked them to remove the messages and they have not done
so, but they would probably refuse to do this on the grounds that you have
broken their terms and conditions on posting to newsgroups and on using
your email account for business use.
http://www.thefreeinternet.net/
I'm just preparing an email to send to them right now, so be prepared to
loose your account.
I suggest that others that feel the same way as I do, do the same
ab...@bizonline.net to complain about the spamming of this newsgroup and
others
in...@thefreeinternet.net to complain about Elliot's use of a strictly
private, home service for business use
I'm still waiting for you to respond to Stewart challenge, yours is asking
Stewart to prove a double negative as Stuart believes that cables make
little or no difference at all.
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Posted to this newsgroup was a comment about Design Audio Classics that was
completely incorrect. It should have stated another retailer in Scotland who
has gone out of business now, leaving debts to many creditors. If this has
caused offence I offer my sincere apologies and naturally retract all its
contents.This was a genuine mistake. The original posting was removed as
soon
as I was made aware of the wrong company name and this apology was also
posted
as soon as possible.
..and in a personal letter :
Dear Mr Davis
This is a sincere apology for a posting in the newsgroup. I mistakenly
thought that DAC was a company that went out of business several years ago
and jumped in to seek revenge. It was a genuine mistake and as soon as this
mistake was discovered I issued a public apology in the newsgroup and
removed
the posting.
>Suffice to say perpetrators of these lies acted without any
checking of facts or opportunity for rebuttal. You now have to wonder about
*every* single posting they make!
The appropriate authorities *have* been contacted.
I suggest that others who feel the same way as I do, compain to
ab...@bizonline.net to complain about these ng "........"
Thankyou
Best Regards.
Elliot Davis
M.D. Ecosse Reference Cables
www.ecossecables.co.uk
tel 0044(0)141 353 0509
fax 0044(0)141 353 7444
WORLD CLASS CABLES from ECOSSE
Speaker Cable of the Year Ecosse CS2.3
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Reverend DVDVD Man <hel...@Iammad.com> wrote in message
news:xZG17.4739$WS4.7...@news6-win.server.ntlworld.com...
Jim Lesurf
> >In article <3b45ef48...@news.freeserve.net>, Stewart Pinkerton
> ><pat...@popmail.dircon.co.uk> wrote:
> >> Tony Sayer <tony@bancom_nilspamus_.co.uk> writes:
> >
> >
> >> >-- Poor dielectric insulation material such as PVC (which has a
> >> >relatively high D.C.) causes signal loss, and reduction in signal
> >> >velocity.
> >
> >> Um, actually, that *is* true, as noted above.........
> >
> >Well it *might* be true if it were re-written to be in English.
> >
> >My reaction was, "high D.C. *what*"? I guess he meant "high 'd.c.'
> >dielectric constant value" but this is just a guess. From what is
> >written he might mean a high something else.
> No, it's clear from the context that he means it has a high dielectric
> constant, which it does, with the ramifications he describes.
I agree that this is the logical deduction that anyone who understands the
topic is likely to draw from the context. However, I think we should bear
in mind that many people do not know the difference between dielectric and
dialectic. :-) Some of them might therefore be mislead or puzzled by the
statement since it is not phrased correctly. Clarity of expression is
important in order to ensure that those who *don't* already understand a
topic are not confused or mislead.
Anyone who has read many computer manuals, etc, will be familiar with
'explanations' that only make sense once you already know what the author
is trying to tell you. So where *is* the "any" key, then?... :-)
In general, I am also wary of allowing "deduction from context" to become
acceptable in advertising material that makes technical claims. It might
permit advertisers to mislead people, but then claim, "Ah, but that isn't
what I said!" when challenged. :-)
I'd prefer it if we 'encouraged' advertisers to limit themselves to
statements that are clear, unambiguous, and can be tested. A dream, no
doubt, but we can try... :-)
Anyway, I'm an academic (despite appearances, it must be true, it says so
on my contract!) so I enjoy quibbling about things like this. ;->
Laurence Payne
Hold on while I organise a lynch mob :-0
Bigguy
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Stewart Pinkerton
>>Suffice to say perpetrators of these lies acted without any
>checking of facts or opportunity for rebuttal. You now have to wonder about
>*every* single posting they make!
>The appropriate authorities *have* been contacted.
>I suggest that others who feel the same way as I do, compain to
>ab...@bizonline.net to complain about these ng "........"
Elliot, until you agree to provide *some* kind of proof of your wild
claims, you remain a cheap conman, selling 'high end' cables which
have no audible advantage over cheap generic items. It is notable that
you are desperately avoiding a reasonable challenge to which you at
first agreed - until you realised (or were advised) that it would
expose your product line as a sham.
You sir, are a fraud and a charlatan.
Nick Hadlow
<pat...@popmail.dircon.co.uk> writes
what, if I don't like the result are you prepared to lend me a set of
yours? Your website is interesting reading for someone whose academic
background is in liberal arts - my wife, though, has a physics degree -
she finds it an absolute scream!
Keep it up.
--
Nick Hadlow
Drop DROPTHIS as appropriate for email address.
trotsky
Stew, what is it about subject-object agreement that is confusing for you?
Roy
Stewart Pinkerton wrote in message <3b4606f7...@news.freeserve.net>...
>
>From rock band manager to cheap conman in one fell swoop
I thought they were a pop group.
Roy.
Stewart Pinkerton
They were certainly wet............. :-)
Still, looks like Elliot is running and hiding - what a surprise!
S i g n a l . . . . .
>From rock band manager to cheap conman in one fell swoop..........
Wet wet wet?
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S i g n a l @ l i n e o n e . n e t
Stewart Pinkerton
. <me...@clara.net> writes:
>pat...@popmail.dircon.co.uk (Stewart Pinkerton) wrote:
>
>>From rock band manager to cheap conman in one fell swoop..........
>
>Wet wet wet?
Yes, although it's been pointed out that the soggy ones were hardly a
real rock band! :-)
Unfortunately, someone ratted Davis to his ISP so we can no longer
amuse ourselves by watching him make a total ass of himself. Never
mind, maybe he'll have a stand at the Hi-Fi Show............
trotsky
Stewart Pinkerton wrote:
>
> S i g n a l . . . .
> . <me...@clara.net> writes:
>
> >pat...@popmail.dircon.co.uk (Stewart Pinkerton) wrote:
> >
> >>From rock band manager to cheap conman in one fell swoop..........
> >
> >Wet wet wet?
>
> Yes, although it's been pointed out that the soggy ones were hardly a
> real rock band! :-)
>
> Unfortunately, someone ratted Davis to his ISP so we can no longer
> amuse ourselves by watching him make a total ass of himself.
So you're condemning the individual that did this?
Reverend DVDVD Man
> S i g n a l . . . .
> . <me...@clara.net> writes:
> Unfortunately, someone ratted Davis to his ISP so we can no longer
> amuse ourselves by watching him make a total ass of himself. Never
> mind, maybe he'll have a stand at the Hi-Fi Show............
It's OK Steward, your still here! Plenty of laughs at your expense to go
around.
BTW do you think that video cables make no-difference?
Because I can prove this very easily, I'll get a test card with a line chart
on it and change the cables over, you'll be able to count more yourself.
I've done this with a projector using a bog-standard 10m S-Video cable and
then using a higher quality 10m S-Video cable???