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Jim Lesurf
Aug 26, 2013, 12:45:57 PM8/26/13
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In article <timstreater-7198...@news.individual.net>, Tim
Streater <timst...@greenbee.net> wrote:
> Was a bit surprised to discover that the Quad Elite Integrated amp has
> no tone controls and less control over input sensitivity than the
> separates. Is this just marketing or are there technical reasons?
I'd be interested to know what 'Quad' may say. It seems to have become
common practice from many makers to omit tone controls from 'premier'
products. The nominal claimed advantage is being able to remove circuits
that might 'degrade' the sound. So may be marketed on that sort of basis.
Also saves a few bob from the cost.
But personally I always have some kind of controls for frequency response,
etc. Just have to ensure they work well enough. Even amps and speakers were
perfect, not all source material is so obliging! :-)
Jim
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Streater <timst...@greenbee.net> wrote:
> Was a bit surprised to discover that the Quad Elite Integrated amp has
> no tone controls and less control over input sensitivity than the
> separates. Is this just marketing or are there technical reasons?
I'd be interested to know what 'Quad' may say. It seems to have become
common practice from many makers to omit tone controls from 'premier'
products. The nominal claimed advantage is being able to remove circuits
that might 'degrade' the sound. So may be marketed on that sort of basis.
Also saves a few bob from the cost.
But personally I always have some kind of controls for frequency response,
etc. Just have to ensure they work well enough. Even amps and speakers were
perfect, not all source material is so obliging! :-)
Jim
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Please use the address on the audiomisc page if you wish to email me.
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Audio Misc http://www.audiomisc.co.uk/index.html
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Phil Allison
Aug 26, 2013, 8:00:13 PM8/26/13
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"Tim Streater"
>
> Was a bit surprised to discover that the Quad Elite Integrated amp has no
> tone controls and less control over input sensitivity than the separates.
> Is this just marketing or are there technical reasons?
** Been standard practice for decades with serious hi-fi gear to omit bass &
> Was a bit surprised to discover that the Quad Elite Integrated amp has no
> tone controls and less control over input sensitivity than the separates.
> Is this just marketing or are there technical reasons?
treble controls.
Mostly on the grounds that they are crude and near useless.
Naim Audio were one of the first to go this way.
.... Phil
Jim Lesurf
Aug 27, 2013, 4:17:17 AM8/27/13
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In article <timstreater-4D66...@news.individual.net>, Tim
Streater <timst...@greenbee.net> wrote:
> In article <538159d...@audiomisc.co.uk>, Jim Lesurf
> as well as you can switch it to mono which the integrated also doesn't
> do.
Well, I guess they assume an integrated amp means 'simpler' for the user.
But I have no idea of their real reasons. Could by 'styling' and 'customer
model' or some nominally technical point like cutting down stages the
signals have to pass though.
> > But personally I always have some kind of controls for frequency
> > response, etc. Just have to ensure they work well enough. Even amps
> > and speakers were perfect, not all source material is so obliging! :-)
> True, although I can't remember the last time I fiddled with them on my
> Quad 34. Perhaps because that would have obliged me to get up out of my
> armchair. The remote for the Elite is the same whichever unit you buy,
> just in the case of the integrated job most of the buttons do nothing
> when you press them.
I fixed that problem by having two preamps in series. The main one that
selects the inputs/outputs is an Armstrong 730 [1]. That then feeds a Quad
34 sitting to the right of my listening seat. I've modified the controls of
this to suit what I wanted. So can use it as a 'remote control'. It then
feeds back to the 732 power amp.
In practice wrt 'tone' I rarely do more that alter the lf bass lift. This
helps some 'dry' classical recordings. More often I tweak the balance.
Jim
[1] I wanted to include tone controls in this but was told the trend was to
omit them. I agreed on the basis that I'd also do an added box later on
with full control facilities that could go between pre and power for users
who wanted the options. So in the end, I've done that, but not quite in the
way orginally planned. :-)
Streater <timst...@greenbee.net> wrote:
> In article <538159d...@audiomisc.co.uk>, Jim Lesurf
> <no...@audiomisc.co.uk> wrote:
> > In article <timstreater-7198...@news.individual.net>,
> > Tim Streater <timst...@greenbee.net> wrote:
> > It seems to have become common practice from many makers to omit tone
> > controls from 'premier' products. The nominal claimed advantage is
> > being able to remove circuits that might 'degrade' the sound. So may
> > be marketed on that sort of basis. Also saves a few bob from the cost.
> But their separate Elite pre-amp *does* have the full set of controls -
> > In article <timstreater-7198...@news.individual.net>,
> > Tim Streater <timst...@greenbee.net> wrote:
> > It seems to have become common practice from many makers to omit tone
> > controls from 'premier' products. The nominal claimed advantage is
> > being able to remove circuits that might 'degrade' the sound. So may
> > be marketed on that sort of basis. Also saves a few bob from the cost.
> as well as you can switch it to mono which the integrated also doesn't
> do.
Well, I guess they assume an integrated amp means 'simpler' for the user.
But I have no idea of their real reasons. Could by 'styling' and 'customer
model' or some nominally technical point like cutting down stages the
signals have to pass though.
> > But personally I always have some kind of controls for frequency
> > response, etc. Just have to ensure they work well enough. Even amps
> > and speakers were perfect, not all source material is so obliging! :-)
> Quad 34. Perhaps because that would have obliged me to get up out of my
> armchair. The remote for the Elite is the same whichever unit you buy,
> just in the case of the integrated job most of the buttons do nothing
> when you press them.
I fixed that problem by having two preamps in series. The main one that
selects the inputs/outputs is an Armstrong 730 [1]. That then feeds a Quad
34 sitting to the right of my listening seat. I've modified the controls of
this to suit what I wanted. So can use it as a 'remote control'. It then
feeds back to the 732 power amp.
In practice wrt 'tone' I rarely do more that alter the lf bass lift. This
helps some 'dry' classical recordings. More often I tweak the balance.
Jim
[1] I wanted to include tone controls in this but was told the trend was to
omit them. I agreed on the basis that I'd also do an added box later on
with full control facilities that could go between pre and power for users
who wanted the options. So in the end, I've done that, but not quite in the
way orginally planned. :-)
Dave Plowman (News)
Aug 27, 2013, 9:15:13 AM8/27/13
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In article <b828gj...@mid.individual.net>,
Quite - they instead had the bass boost built into their power amps...
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Richard Kimber
Aug 27, 2013, 2:57:54 PM8/27/13
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On Tue, 27 Aug 2013 09:17:17 +0100, Jim Lesurf wrote:
>> But their separate Elite pre-amp *does* have the full set of controls -
>> as well as you can switch it to mono which the integrated also doesn't
>> do.
>
> Well, I guess they assume an integrated amp means 'simpler' for the
> user. But I have no idea of their real reasons. Could by 'styling' and
> 'customer model' or some nominally technical point like cutting down
> stages the signals have to pass though.
I thought that it's just part of their current philosophy. In other
>> But their separate Elite pre-amp *does* have the full set of controls -
>> as well as you can switch it to mono which the integrated also doesn't
>> do.
>
> Well, I guess they assume an integrated amp means 'simpler' for the
> user. But I have no idea of their real reasons. Could by 'styling' and
> 'customer model' or some nominally technical point like cutting down
> stages the signals have to pass though.
words, the Elite package consists in pre-amp + either integrated or monos
linked by the Quadlink cable. However, I'm about to experiment by
running my hopefully-soon-to-be-upgraded MDAC directly into my monos,
thus using the MDAC's pre-amp facility. At that point either I'll sell
my Quad pre-amp, or just use it as an £800 on/off switch ;-)
When I eventually get the MDAC back from John Westlake, that is.
- Richard.
Jim Lesurf
Aug 28, 2013, 4:36:23 AM8/28/13
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In article <Puqdnax_QZova4HP...@giganews.com>, Richard
Kimber
from companies or government. Boils down to "This is what we do because we
decided this is what we will do." ...which doesn't really explain the
reasons.
> However, I'm about to experiment by running my
> hopefully-soon-to-be-upgraded MDAC directly into my monos, thus using
> the MDAC's pre-amp facility. At that point either I'll sell my Quad
> pre-amp, or just use it as an £800 on/off switch ;-)
For many purposes I now use my Cambridge 851C as the 'input selector', and
even as the selector for much recording as it has a digital output. However
I still find a Quad 34 useful for some control over the response. May
change this in due course. For other reasons I've been experimenting with
digital filtering/resampling. So at such time as the bulk of what I play
being from 'computer file/stream' I may adopt using digital controls.
However as yet I'm wary of that.
Jim
Kimber
<richar...@btinternet.com> wrote:
> On Tue, 27 Aug 2013 09:17:17 +0100, Jim Lesurf wrote:
> >> But their separate Elite pre-amp *does* have the full set of controls
> >> - as well as you can switch it to mono which the integrated also
> >> doesn't do.
> >
> > Well, I guess they assume an integrated amp means 'simpler' for the
> > user. But I have no idea of their real reasons. Could by 'styling' and
> > 'customer model' or some nominally technical point like cutting down
> > stages the signals have to pass though.
> I thought that it's just part of their current philosophy. In other
> words, the Elite package consists in pre-amp + either integrated or
> monos linked by the Quadlink cable.
I assume that is so. However it does seem like many 'explanations' we get
> On Tue, 27 Aug 2013 09:17:17 +0100, Jim Lesurf wrote:
> >> But their separate Elite pre-amp *does* have the full set of controls
> >> - as well as you can switch it to mono which the integrated also
> >> doesn't do.
> >
> > Well, I guess they assume an integrated amp means 'simpler' for the
> > user. But I have no idea of their real reasons. Could by 'styling' and
> > 'customer model' or some nominally technical point like cutting down
> > stages the signals have to pass though.
> I thought that it's just part of their current philosophy. In other
> words, the Elite package consists in pre-amp + either integrated or
> monos linked by the Quadlink cable.
from companies or government. Boils down to "This is what we do because we
decided this is what we will do." ...which doesn't really explain the
reasons.
> However, I'm about to experiment by running my
> hopefully-soon-to-be-upgraded MDAC directly into my monos, thus using
> the MDAC's pre-amp facility. At that point either I'll sell my Quad
> pre-amp, or just use it as an £800 on/off switch ;-)
even as the selector for much recording as it has a digital output. However
I still find a Quad 34 useful for some control over the response. May
change this in due course. For other reasons I've been experimenting with
digital filtering/resampling. So at such time as the bulk of what I play
being from 'computer file/stream' I may adopt using digital controls.
However as yet I'm wary of that.
Jim
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