RE NAD C370 speake terminals
fama
one of these for my brother
?re the speaker terminals these have a small hole for bare wire insertion
but for banana plugs do you have to remove the small round plastic lug
to insert the plug it doesnt
say anything re this in the manual
Stewart Pinkerton
Yes, you do have to remove the plug, which is there because of
brain-dead European safety regs.
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Tom Harvey
>>the speaker terminals these have a small hole for bare wire insertion
>>but for banana plugs do you have to remove the small round plastic lug
>>to insert the plug it doesnt
>>say anything re this in the manual
>
>Yes, you do have to remove the plug, which is there because of
>brain-dead European safety regs.
>
But how do you get the buggers out without damaging the socket?
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fama
Tom Harvey <t...@tomh.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
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> >
> >>the speaker terminals these have a small hole for bare wire insertion
> >>but for banana plugs do you have to remove the small round plastic lug
> >>to insert the plug it doesnt
> >>say anything re this in the manual
> >
> >Yes, you do have to remove the plug, which is there because of
> >brain-dead European safety regs.
> >
>
> But how do you get the buggers out without damaging the socket?
>
> --
dont look easy to remove im gonna have to phone the shop
doesnt open till tues bummer
Tom Harvey
writes
Can you post what you find out? I have the same amp, with the same
problem, and will soon have speaker cable with banana plugs, so would be
interested to know what you find out.
Cheers.
Duncan Armstrong
lugs were a bit of a bitch. If you look, the backs of the spkr terminals
have little notches -- if you just stick a drawing pin or thumb tack (or
something comparable) in there, you can wedge the things out without doing
any damage. I also had the problem that my banana plugs (Gale models from
Richer Sounds) didn't fit easily in the holes, so I had to get some pliers
and squeeze them in order to fit them in. At least they're in there real
tight, though, hehe. I think other bananas should be okay, though. Cheers,
Dunc
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fama
Duncan Armstrong <m...@dunkyboy.com> wrote in message
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> Hi, I have the C370 in my system, and it's a great amp, but those safety
> lugs were a bit of a bitch. If you look, the backs of the spkr terminals
> have little notches -- if you just stick a drawing pin or thumb tack (or
> something comparable) in there, you can wedge the things out without doing
> any damage. I also had the problem that my banana plugs (Gale models from
> Richer Sounds) didn't fit easily in the holes, so I had to get some pliers
> and squeeze them in order to fit them in. At least they're in there real
> tight, though, hehe. I think other bananas should be okay, though.
Cheers,
>
> Dunc
>
>
>
>
but managed with needle to prise out
however just the start of the problem
im just setting this up temporarily
to try out (as its my brothers)and the cable ive got the banana plugs
certainly dont fit im more pissed off with this
Tom Harvey
writes
>
>Duncan Armstrong <m...@dunkyboy.com> wrote in message
>news:1yXc6.3504$YT3....@news6-win.server.ntlworld.com...
>> Hi, I have the C370 in my system, and it's a great amp, but those safety
>> lugs were a bit of a bitch. If you look, the backs of the spkr terminals
>> have little notches -- if you just stick a drawing pin or thumb tack (or
>> something comparable) in there, you can wedge the things out without doing
>> any damage. I also had the problem that my banana plugs (Gale models from
>> Richer Sounds) didn't fit easily in the holes, so I had to get some pliers
>> and squeeze them in order to fit them in. At least they're in there real
>> tight, though, hehe. I think other bananas should be okay, though.
>Cheers,
>>
>>
>but managed with needle to prise out
>however just the start of the problem
>im just setting this up temporarily
>to try out (as its my brothers)and the cable ive got the banana plugs
>certainly dont fit im more pissed off with this
>
>
Having read the above advice I had a go at removing mine too. I used a
small hand drill and as I started to (very carefully) drill at the plugs
they, one by one, came out. It was rather simpler than I had imagined. I
do not have any plugs yet to use so cannot tell you if they fit
correctly.
I am still not entirely sure why the plugs are there. I have seen
mutterings about EU regs, but my other amp did not have any.
Stewart Pinkerton
>>
>>>the speaker terminals these have a small hole for bare wire insertion
>>>but for banana plugs do you have to remove the small round plastic lug
>>>to insert the plug it doesnt
>>>say anything re this in the manual
>>
>>Yes, you do have to remove the plug, which is there because of
>>brain-dead European safety regs.
>>
>
>But how do you get the buggers out without damaging the socket?
Try a needle, dig into the plug and lever it out. Alternatively, do it
right and drill the little bugger out!
Paul Peppiatt
<<Having read the above advice I had a go at removing mine too. I used a
small hand drill and as I started to (very carefully) drill at the plugs
they, one by one, came out. It was rather simpler than I had imagined. I
do not have any plugs yet to use so cannot tell you if they fit
correctly.>>
I'm not familiar with the amp, but it seems you describe a common prob.
The horrid bungs are available from connector manufacturers like Cliff.
BTW, when ppl say *banana plugs* I wonder what size is meant... modern
hi-power amps/speakercabs usually have 4mm types. Really old kit often
had 1/8-inch (3.2mm) which was sometimes quite flimsy. I always use the
4mm type, 'cos it's an economical way of transferring 30amps rather
efficiently. (:>) Widely available from RS, Farnell etc. Many colours &
flavours, and a 60amp version also fits the same holes if you really need
it. Heh. I favour the stackable versions, solid-turned brass and thickly
tinplated. Easy to make parallel connections, and add test equip. (4mm is
also widely used on meters. Even the good old AVO)
<<I am still not entirely sure why the plugs are there. I have seen
mutterings about EU regs, but my other amp did not have any.>>
As a previous poster stated. Yeah, it's Euro-bureau-babble. IIRC, any
voltage above (sommat ridiculously low, like 28V DC/peak AC) is to be
considered as a "Hazardous Voltage." European Low Voltage Directive is
the offending legislation. (:>) Bah. Older amps merely had to comply with
sensible engineering practice. Heh. So good on yer for drilling them out.
HTH, Paul.
(Who loathes *Speakon* connectors)
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Paul Peppiatt <pa...@ptech.demon.co.uk> wrote:
> (Who loathes *Speakon* connectors)
In service, they've proved far more reliable than XLRs.
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Paul Peppiatt
Dave Plowman quoth:
[of my loathing for *Speakon* connectors] <<In service, they've
proved far more reliable than XLRs.>>
I'm sure you're right. My dislike is based more on how fiddly
they are to assemble. ):<( Also awkward to get prods onto. Tho'
I guess that is a deliberate part of the fingerproof design-spec.
They certainly seem reliable in use, and Foolproof to a nontech
Assistant. (;>)
Confusion reigns wrt the 2-pole and 4-pole versions though...
seen the 4-pole used sometimes to double the current capacity to
40A, sometimes for bi-amping, and in one recent example, a
"special" lead that was alleged (by owner) to be reverse-wired,
and required for a mono dual-coil sw. I kept my hands in pockets
and watched him make the possibly-fateful connections with the
three unmarked cables. (While musing that it would surely be more
sensible to make any reversals within the boxes, and have all the
cables wired to the same standard.)
As for XLR's, I wouldn't dare add speakers to the list of things
they get used on, for fear of connecting the wrong cable. Only
use 'em for balanced mikes myself. But I've seen them used for
mains leads. Eww! Could be an unpleasant mistake to make in a
dark and dusty corner. (:>)
Cheers, Paul.
(Still prefers 30A girt-big 4mm socket-with-binding-post, even if
against the EU regs.)
Stewart Pinkerton
>As for XLR's, I wouldn't dare add speakers to the list of things
>they get used on, for fear of connecting the wrong cable. Only
>use 'em for balanced mikes myself. But I've seen them used for
>mains leads. Eww! Could be an unpleasant mistake to make in a
>dark and dusty corner. (:>)
There are specific mains XLR connectors, that don't mate with the
standard kind. If you choose not to use them, then you deserve the
consequences!
Dave Plowman
Paul Peppiatt <pa...@ptech.demon.co.uk> wrote:
> As for XLR's, I wouldn't dare add speakers to the list of things
> they get used on, for fear of connecting the wrong cable. Only
> use 'em for balanced mikes myself. But I've seen them used for
> mains leads. Eww! Could be an unpleasant mistake to make in a
> dark and dusty corner. (:>)
The main place where the Powercon has taken over from the 4-pin XLR is
for 12v DC powering of portable gear.
> Cheers, Paul.
> (Still prefers 30A girt-big 4mm socket-with-binding-post, even if
> against the EU regs.)
Indeed - for a 'permanent' installation. Banana plugs are useless for
mobile use - any connector needs to grip the sheath of the cable to stand
a chance of surviving.
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Dave Plowman
Stewart Pinkerton <pat...@popmail.dircon.co.uk> wrote:
> There are specific mains XLR connectors, that don't mate with the
> standard kind. If you choose not to use them, then you deserve the
> consequences!
Ever come across LNE connectors used the 'wrong' way round? At least one
ITV company did just this....
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Paul Peppiatt
<<There are specific mains XLR connectors, that don't mate with the
standard kind. If you choose not to use them, then you deserve the
consequences!>>
Fair comment! Ewww! (:>) Hehe, I was meaning more in terms of not
using *any* XLRs (except for the mikes) on speakers/mains leads...
to avoid even attempting to insert the wrong ones. Detachable mains
leads preferred as IEC types, IMHO.
Okay, now someone tell me they've seen those used for speakers. Heh!
Regards, Paul.
Paul Peppiatt
<<Ever come across LNE connectors used the 'wrong' way round? At
least one ITV company did just this.>>
Scary. Not sure whether you mean L/N/E swapped around, or having
the *hot* side on the pins rather than the sockets... but yes, I've
seen both. Ewww! [shaking head sadly and shuddering]
Regards, Paul.