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Jimbo GM4DHJ ...

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Dec 16, 2009, 3:44:17 PM12/16/09
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what are MM3s going to do for their holidays now ? .......


luc...@eternal-flames.gov

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Dec 16, 2009, 4:15:21 PM12/16/09
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The DSS will give them more money so they can fly by proper airlines.

Yeti

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Jimbo GM4DHJ ... wrote:
> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/edinburgh_and_east/8417183.stm
>
> what are MM3s going to do for their holidays now ? .......
>
>

Easyjet, Ryanair or Thomsonfly...

Ian Jackson

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Dec 16, 2009, 5:47:54 PM12/16/09
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<ye...@ayrshore.com> writes

Could BA be next to fall? Maybe this should be a warning to their staff.
--
Ian

Yeti

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Dec 16, 2009, 5:51:18 PM12/16/09
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Would hardly be a big loss.

They're expensive, their customer service sucks and their staff need
taken down a peg or twelve.

They've all but abandoned Scotland anyway.

I'm sure Virgin would be more than happy to take up the slack from BA's
collapse.

Ian Jackson

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Dec 16, 2009, 6:04:30 PM12/16/09
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In message <hgbo8p$fk9$1...@news.eternal-september.org>, Yeti
<ye...@ayrshore.com> writes

I used to fly BA quite a bit on business (Club Class), and thought they
were great. When my job changed, and I ceased to do business trips, they
cheated on me, and gave me some duff information, resulting in the
deletion of nearly 150,000 Air Miles (not the reduced-value BA Points)
which I had accumulated over a period of over 15 years. They absolutely
refused to reinstate them. Since then, I have had several Virgin package
holidays (flying Premium Economy), and find them very good indeed.
--
Ian

Jimbo GM4DHJ ...

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"Yeti" <ye...@ayrshore.com> wrote in message
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bunch of spiv barrow boys ....


Jimbo ...

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> Ian

yes that then the post office.....then the spiv barrow boys will be in
position to really rip us off.........


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Yeti

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Dec 17, 2009, 3:41:19 PM12/17/09
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On Dec 17, 7:29 pm, Walt Davidson <g3...@invalid.invalid> wrote:
> On Wed, 16 Dec 2009 22:47:54 +0000, Ian Jackson

>
> <ianREMOVETHISjack...@g3ohx.demon.co.uk> wrote:
> >Could BA be next to fall? Maybe this should be a warning to their staff.
>
> "I've got 'em on the list,
>  I've got 'em on the list.
>  They never will be missed,
>  They never will ... be ... missed!"
>
> 73 de Wlat
>
> --
> Walt Davidson                               Email: g3nyy @despammed.com

:-D

Jimbo ...

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am stuck here in lanzagrotty an a canny git hame cause o that globespan, the
cooncil need tae get us hame, its doon tae them..........whit jee mean
travel insurance, whits that,

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Jimbo ...

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Dec 18, 2009, 2:27:09 AM12/18/09
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"Brian Morrison" <b...@fenrir.org.uk> wrote in message
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> On Thu, 17 Dec 2009 19:27:21 +0000
> Walt Davidson <g3...@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>
>> On Wed, 16 Dec 2009 20:44:17 -0000, "Jimbo GM4DHJ ..."
>> <jim.g...@googlemail.com> wrote:
>>
>> It is perhaps a measure of their importance that I had, until today,
>> never heard of FlyGlobespan!
>
> They were described as Scotland's largest airline, then in the next
> sentence it was explained that their 10 aircraft would be grounded
> immediately.
>
WhyFLyglobespamscum .......?


Catweazel

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Dec 18, 2009, 3:05:01 AM12/18/09
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On Dec 17, 9:26 pm, "Jimbo ..." <jim.gm4...@googlemail.com> wrote:
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>
> am stuck here in lanzagrotty an a canny git hame cause o that globespan, the
> cooncil need tae get us hame, its doon tae them..........whit jee mean
> travel insurance, whits that,

sad but all too true

Catweazel

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Dec 18, 2009, 3:14:26 AM12/18/09
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On Dec 17, 7:29 pm, Walt Davidson <g3...@invalid.invalid> wrote:
> On Wed, 16 Dec 2009 22:47:54 +0000, Ian Jackson
>
> <ianREMOVETHISjack...@g3ohx.demon.co.uk> wrote:
> >Could BA be next to fall? Maybe this should be a warning to their staff.
>
> "I've got 'em on the list,
>  I've got 'em on the list.
>  They never will be missed,
>  They never will ... be ... missed!"
>
I'm sure that was written by M1KDO.

Ian Jackson

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Yeti

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Dec 19, 2009, 6:30:29 AM12/19/09
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Brian Morrison wrote:
> On Thu, 17 Dec 2009 19:27:21 +0000
> Walt Davidson <g3...@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>
>> On Wed, 16 Dec 2009 20:44:17 -0000, "Jimbo GM4DHJ ..."
>> <jim.g...@googlemail.com> wrote:
>>
>> It is perhaps a measure of their importance that I had, until today,
>> never heard of FlyGlobespan!
>
> They were described as Scotland's largest airline, then in the next
> sentence it was explained that their 10 aircraft would be grounded
> immediately.
>

11. And another 2 were on order.

Makes you wonder how it could go so quick - you don't usually get into
trouble that quick, especially when you can still order multi-million
pound planes.

Len GM0ONX

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Dec 19, 2009, 6:37:01 AM12/19/09
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Well when your booking agent owes you �20m for completed journeys it
doesn't make easy. A further �10M was paid by customers to the booking
agent and not paid to Globespan for journeys still to be made.

Jimbo GM4DHJ ...

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Dec 19, 2009, 6:55:49 AM12/19/09
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blame credit card companies who won't now pay until the flight has landed to
avoid them being liable to the customer........the world is fecked


Yeti

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Dec 19, 2009, 7:17:44 AM12/19/09
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You don't pay a taxi until the journey is complete - why should the
airline be any different?

Jimbo ...

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I don't know ........because you don't know the final price?.......


Richard G3CWI

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Dec 19, 2009, 7:34:27 AM12/19/09
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Yeti wrote:

> You don't pay a taxi until the journey is complete - why should the
> airline be any different?

...for several reason that should be obvious to most people.


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Len GM0ONX

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Dec 19, 2009, 7:38:51 AM12/19/09
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You did when you were going out of town when I did it!

luc...@eternal-flames.gov

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Dec 19, 2009, 7:38:46 AM12/19/09
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On Sat, 19 Dec 2009 12:17:44 +0000, Yeti <ye...@ayrshore.com> wrote:


>You don't pay a taxi until the journey is complete - why should the
>airline be any different?

At least with flying, you don't have the bleedin' pilot wanting to
hold boring conversations about who he's had as passenger and what's
gone wrong with the country since Mad Maggie abdicated.

Taxi drivers? Morons. The lot of 'em.

Nick.

Jimbo GM4DHJ ...

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Dec 19, 2009, 9:37:38 AM12/19/09
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or you are an obvious scumbag...like an MM3 ..........


Yeti

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Dec 19, 2009, 11:44:04 AM12/19/09
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Richard G3CWI wrote:
> Yeti wrote:
>
>> You don't pay a taxi until the journey is complete - why should the
>> airline be any different?
>
> ...for several reason that should be obvious to most people.
>
>

Anyway, we're being pedantic (somtehing most of us are quite good at!) -
there is no excuse for the 'clearing' company to hold on to �20 million
in monies for already paid for and completed journeys.

Yeti

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Dec 19, 2009, 11:45:12 AM12/19/09
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There's an exception for Kilmarnock and Dundonald - 'customers' from
those parts have developed a tendancy to run away before paying.

Yeti

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Dec 19, 2009, 11:45:34 AM12/19/09
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We don't have meters here - fixed prices.

Dave

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Dec 19, 2009, 11:47:57 AM12/19/09
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Neither will a passenger jet. Weather forecasts are not always accurate,
so the airline will not know if the aircraft is flying into the wind, or
getting some help with the wind behind it.

Dave

Yeti

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Dec 19, 2009, 11:51:43 AM12/19/09
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Much like our taxis here - we have a fixed price for a journey, with no
meter.

So some things that would push the price up or down on a meter don't
affect the price.

Jimbo GM4DHJ ...

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sorry I didn't mean YOU ..............


Ian Jackson

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Dec 19, 2009, 12:22:25 PM12/19/09
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In message <u8OdnTVCL50inrDW...@bt.com>, Dave
<dave...@btopenworld.com> writes

>Jimbo ... wrote:
>> "Yeti" <ye...@ayrshore.com> wrote in message
>>news:hgig98$kr6$3...@news.eternal-september.org...
>>> You don't pay a taxi until the journey is complete - why should the
>>>airline be any different?
>> I don't know ........because you don't know the final price?.......
>
>Neither will a passenger jet. Weather forecasts are not always
>accurate, so the airline will not know if the aircraft is flying into
>the wind, or getting some help with the wind behind it.
>
Why can't they simply open the cockpit window, and extend a wetted
finger? That's the usual way of finding whether there's any wind, and
which way it's blowing.
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Jimbo GM4DHJ ...

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Dec 19, 2009, 1:45:15 PM12/19/09
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> They used to do it that way, but the pilots taking off from John Lennon
> kept
> losing wristwatches...

speaking of John Lennon I saw a Beatles tribute band at winterfest today and
very good they were to......took me right back to '63

Richard G3CWI

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Dec 19, 2009, 1:46:24 PM12/19/09
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Jimbo GM4DHJ ... wrote:
>......took me right back to '63


Could you not have stayed?

Jimbo GM4DHJ ...

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"Richard G3CWI" <g3...@tesco.net> wrote in message
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> Jimbo GM4DHJ ... wrote:
>>......took me right back to '63
>
>
> Could you not have stayed?
>

wish I could have ....your a bit crabby today? ...unlike you to be so
nasty.....whats up? ... could therapy help ? ........


Richard G3CWI

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Jimbo GM4DHJ ... wrote:

> wish I could have ....your a bit crabby today? ...unlike you to be so
> nasty.....whats up? ... could therapy help ? ........
>
>


Must be the cold that I have

Jimbo GM4DHJ ...

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"Richard G3CWI" <g3...@tesco.net> wrote in message
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> Jimbo GM4DHJ ... wrote:
>
>> wish I could have ....your a bit crabby today? ...unlike you to be so
>> nasty.....whats up? ... could therapy help ? ........
>
>
> Must be the cold that I have
>

we all have off days ........in fact most of my days are off days.......


Jimbo GM4DHJ ...

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"Jimbo GM4DHJ ..." <jim.g...@googlemail.com> wrote in message
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do a bit of brian bashing...always cheers me up when I am down.......


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luc...@eternal-flames.gov

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>> we all have off days ........in fact most of my days are off days.......
>>
>do a bit of brian bashing...always cheers me up when I am down.......

Good man!

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DieSea

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Dec 19, 2009, 2:44:58 PM12/19/09
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"Chronos" <m...@privacy.net> wrote in message
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> luc...@eternal-flames.gov wrote:
>
>> But the real problem at JL, if for the ground crew, when they find the
>> planes jacked up on a pile of bricks each morning, with the wheels
>> missing
>
> ...and syphon tubes hanging from both wings ;o)
> --
> Chronos

Just been dragged around a garden centre by matron

SHE wants more Christmas lights

So I reminded her that if she wanted more lights all we had to do was to go up to
Blackpool

Any way talk about rip-off

Paraffin at 2.50 a litre in 4 litre plastic cans

And I always thought paraffin was cheaper than petrol

I can now understand syphon tubes hanging from both wings ;o)


DieSea


Steve Terry

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"DieSea" <DieSea.No...@nnttwlwoorrlldd.ccoomm> wrote in message
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>
> "Chronos" <m...@privacy.net> wrote in message
> news:hgj9ob$a43$2...@news.eternal-september.org...
>> luc...@eternal-flames.gov wrote:
<snip>

> Just been dragged around a garden centre by matron SHE wants more
> Christmas lights
> So I reminded her that if she wanted more lights all we had to do was to
> go up to Blackpool
> Any way talk about rip-off
>
> Paraffin at 2.50 a litre in 4 litre plastic cans
>
> And I always thought paraffin was cheaper than petrol
>
>
Can't you use cooking oil or red diesel?

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Len GM0ONX

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Dec 19, 2009, 4:04:52 PM12/19/09
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Too late, I was at Blackpool a fortnight ago (I think I must have upset
the Boss) and the illuminations have been switched off for a month.
Kilmarnock has a better Christmas display than Blackpool.

Jimbo GM4DHJ ...

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Dec 19, 2009, 4:10:40 PM12/19/09
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> Too late, I was at Blackpool a fortnight ago (I think I must have upset
> the Boss) and the illuminations have been switched off for a month.
> Kilmarnock has a better Christmas display than Blackpool.

I never get anything for upsetting the boss .......ken


luc...@eternal-flames.gov

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Dec 19, 2009, 4:37:54 PM12/19/09
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On Sat, 19 Dec 2009 20:54:07 -0000, "Steve Terry" <gfou...@tesco.net>
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>Can't you use cooking oil or red diesel?
>
>Steve Terry

Have you seen the price of cooking-oil, since it became legal to use
it in (diesel) cars?

Nick.

Len GM0ONX

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Dec 19, 2009, 5:01:10 PM12/19/09
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You're getting an 'early Oft'!

DieSea

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Dec 19, 2009, 5:30:26 PM12/19/09
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<luc...@eternal-flames.gov> wrote in message
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Wouldn't use the stuff

Mate of mine has a disco thought he was being clever saving a few bob a litre

Bought 25 litre drums from some wholesaler

He's had nowt but trouble

I can lay me hands on "Cherry B" but with the HMRC stops they have round here it
aint worth the risk

DieSea


luc...@eternal-flames.gov

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Dec 19, 2009, 5:45:22 PM12/19/09
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On Sat, 19 Dec 2009 22:30:26 -0000, "DieSea"
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>Wouldn't use the stuff
>
>Mate of mine has a disco thought he was being clever saving a few bob a litre
>
>Bought 25 litre drums from some wholesaler
>
>He's had nowt but trouble
>
>I can lay me hands on "Cherry B" but with the HMRC stops they have round here it
>aint worth the risk
>
>DieSea

In a 1 to 5 mix with diesel, cooking oil is supposed to be okay, but
you're only saving pennies. I don't see it being worth the effort.

Nick.

Jimbo GM4DHJ ...

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"Len GM0ONX" <gm0...@goooooglemail.com> wrote in message
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he had no say in the matter...EVERYBODY who wanted out got it ......they are
that desperate to save money......thank God


Dave

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Dec 19, 2009, 6:36:51 PM12/19/09
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Chronos wrote:

> Ian Jackson wrote:
>
>> Why can't they simply open the cockpit window, and extend a wetted
>> finger? That's the usual way of finding whether there's any wind, and
>> which way it's blowing.
>
> They used to do it that way, but the pilots taking off from John Lennon kept
> losing wristwatches...

Was that the local scroats that did it?

Dave

Dave

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Dec 19, 2009, 6:41:58 PM12/19/09
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OFFS where did the name of winterfest come from?

These days, I can't stand Christmas because of it's over
commercialisation. Bring back the Christmas of my childhood.

Dave

Dave

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Dec 19, 2009, 6:45:01 PM12/19/09
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luc...@eternal-flames.gov wrote:
> On Sat, 19 Dec 2009 18:07:39 +0000, Chronos <m...@privacy.net> wrote:
> g.

>> They used to do it that way, but the pilots taking off from John Lennon kept
>> losing wristwatches...
>
> But the real problem at JL, if for the ground crew, when they find the
> planes jacked up on a pile of bricks each morning, with the wheels
> missing.

Thanks for that nick, I'm RAOTFLMAO right now.

Dave

Dave

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Dec 19, 2009, 6:47:27 PM12/19/09
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Chronos wrote:

> luc...@eternal-flames.gov wrote:
>
>> But the real problem at JL, if for the ground crew, when they find the
>> planes jacked up on a pile of bricks each morning, with the wheels
>> missing
>
> ...and syphon tubes hanging from both wings ;o)

Can't see what they could use it for. It stinks when burned.
Dave

Yeti

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Dec 19, 2009, 10:02:09 PM12/19/09
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It was about �1 a litre for ages.

USED veg oil, processed correctly, is what you want. The worst bit about
it is filtering it before processing though.

Steve Terry

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Dec 19, 2009, 10:10:27 PM12/19/09
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"DieSea" <DieSea.No...@nnttwlwoorrlldd.ccoomm> wrote in message
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A friend ran his 405 diesel no problem at all on vegetable oil,
3 litre bottles from asda were cheaper than 25 litre drums.

Adding 5% white sprit helps both thin it, increase combustibility,
and raise freezing point

Steve Terry


Chris Kirby

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Brian Morrison wrote:
>Walt Davidson wrote:
>
>>
>> It is perhaps a measure of their importance that I had, until today,
>> never heard of FlyGlobespan!
>
>They were described as Scotland's largest airline, then in the next
>sentence it was explained that their 10 aircraft would be grounded
>immediately.

FlyGlobespan operated the flights to and from the Falklands via
Ascension Island for the RAF. There were a few places for civilians
too on these flights which is how the G6UW chaps got themselves to
Ascension Island for their dxpedition earlier this year. (Just to keep
the thread AR-related!)

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Jimbo GM4DHJ ...

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Dec 20, 2009, 3:54:03 AM12/20/09
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> There were a few places for civilians
> too on these flights which is how the G6UW chaps got themselves to
> Ascension Island for their dxpedition earlier this year. (Just to keep
> the thread AR-related!)
>

> Chris

why worry about that....


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c...@nospam.netunix.com

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Dec 20, 2009, 12:58:15 PM12/20/09
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Walt Davidson <g3...@invalid.invalid> wrote:

> On Sun, 20 Dec 2009 07:09:01 +0000, Chris Kirby <g4...@yahoo.com>
> wrote:
>
> >FlyGlobespan operated the flights to and from the Falklands via
> >Ascension Island for the RAF.
>
> Don't the RAF have any planes of their own any more then?

The Falklands run was done by RAF Tristars but these are
needed for routes into active conflict areas. The Falklands are now
at peace so it makes no sense for the RAF to be running a civil
scheduled airline.

Yeti

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Dec 20, 2009, 1:05:40 PM12/20/09
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Might make them enough profit to afford Harriers and Chinooks at the
same time, perhaps? As long as their credit card company pays them, that is.

Brian Howie

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Dec 20, 2009, 1:22:39 PM12/20/09
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In message <hgivsj$iim$1...@news.eternal-september.org>, Yeti
<ye...@ayrshore.com> writes
>Richard G3CWI wrote:
>> Yeti wrote:
>>
>>> You don't pay a taxi until the journey is complete - why should the
>>>airline be any different?
>> ...for several reason that should be obvious to most people.
>>
>
>Anyway, we're being pedantic (somtehing most of us are quite good at!)
>- there is no excuse for the 'clearing' company to hold on to �20
>million in monies for already paid for and completed journeys.

Well they way it works is, if you temporarily have a pile of cash, even
it if it's not yours, you make it work for you. Say the financial
equivalent of putting it on a dead cert in the 3-30 at Chepstow. That
way you make a little extra cash before you hand it over. But as they
keep telling us , investments can go down as well as up.

Bit in here about some associated convoluted business deals.

Http://www.independent.co.uk/news/business/news/flyglobespan-files-petiti
on-against-eclear-1845585.html

I'll not comment.

B

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Steve Terry

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Dec 22, 2009, 2:08:27 AM12/22/09
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"Walt Davidson" <g3...@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
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> On Sun, 20 Dec 2009 07:09:01 +0000, Chris Kirby <g4...@yahoo.com>
> wrote:
>
>>FlyGlobespan operated the flights to and from the Falklands via
>>Ascension Island for the RAF.
>
> Don't the RAF have any planes of their own any more then?
> Nothing would surprise me ...
> 73 de Wlat
> Walt Davidson
>
>
Does the gov own anything anymore, with everything sub contracted out
why not sub contract Afghanistan to the Russian army?
They could do with some hard currency, they aren't doing much at the
moment and they know the area well.

Steve Terry

Jimbo GM4DHJ ...

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Dec 22, 2009, 2:34:35 AM12/22/09
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> Does the gov own anything anymore, with everything sub contracted out
> why not sub contract Afghanistan to the Russian army?
> They could do with some hard currency, they aren't doing much at the
> moment and they know the area well.
>
> Steve Terry

I think the Government should be put out to tender to private companies
.......


Catweazel

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Dec 22, 2009, 2:40:29 AM12/22/09
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On Dec 22, 7:34 am, "Jimbo GM4DHJ ..." <jim.gm4...@googlemail.com>
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> I think the Government should be put out to tender to private companies
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Nooooooo!
That would be an even greater tyranny!

Jimbo GM4DHJ ...

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Dec 22, 2009, 2:45:51 AM12/22/09
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"Catweazel" <francis...@iee.org> wrote in message
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OK then benevolent dictatorship then .....


luc...@eternal-flames.gov

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Dec 22, 2009, 5:44:37 AM12/22/09
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On Tue, 22 Dec 2009 07:34:35 -0000, "Jimbo GM4DHJ ..."
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>I think the Government should be put out to tender to private companies

Plans are in hand...
The next government will be a subsidiary of Sky Television.

Frank Turner-Smith G3VKI

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Dec 22, 2009, 12:54:07 PM12/22/09
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Better that than a subsidiary of Microsoft or BAE Systems.

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