Racal RA17 for sale
Ian Braithwaite
sell my Racal RA17 receiver - we've accumulated a lot of clutter in our
small house and the Racal is big.
This receiver was the foundation of the Racal company and was very much
the state of the art receiver of its day, sold in large numbers for
government and professional use. It solved the big problem of the time,
frequency drift, by using the Wadley drift-cancelling technique.
Covering 0.5 to 30MHz, it is most effective on cw, having a range of
switched bandwidth filters, the narrowest being 100Hz.
Mine dates to, I believe, 1957. I've never had the covers off because
it's never gone wrong in the sixteen years, the only niggle being a
slightly temperamental bandwidth switch, which always works after a few
seconds fiddling, and could probably be fixed quickly with a bit of
switch lubricant.
With the receiver comes circuit diagrams, articles and fault-finding
sheets, and a complete set of spare valves in an un-opened box.
It's pretty much essential that anyone interested come and see and try,
and collect the receiver (St Albans). According to the front panel
label, it weighs 67lbs!
Price: offers in the region of 150 pounds.
--
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hatherleigh-Smyth@smythe.com Johnathan Hatherleigh-Smyth
> Price: offers in the region of 150 pounds.
> --
> Ian Braithwaite G4COL
HOW MUCH.......
steve h
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> That's about right, they make more on ebay..
>
I would charge more than that to take it away, HI HI
steve h
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> You and citylink ;c)
I don't feel it will make this much, they are very very old and not quite
what they are cracked up to be....
steve h
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Peter Crosland
designed DSP
Brian Reay
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> You obviously have not tried a good modern amateur HF rig with properly
> designed DSP
Is that with or without "Big K" ;-)
(If would appear even Gareth's RA17 didn't have Big K)
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"Walt Davidson" <g3...@despammed.com> wrote in message
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> On Sun, 14 Mar 2004 18:11:04 -0000, "steve h" <g0...@spamarrl.net>
> wrote:
>
> >It's far better than any ham receiver regardless of age.
>
> in performance.
>
> We had one at the Science Museum in the mid-1960s and, even then, the
> Collins KWM2 (1965 vintage) had better receive performance.
>
> You are talking about 50-year old technology! Grossly over-estimated
> by "nostalgics".
>
> 73 de G3NYY
>
> --
> Walt Davidson Email: g3nyy @despammed.com
that's very true
Leigh
Re: Racal RA17
> You are talking about 50-year old technology! Grossly
> over-estimated by "nostalgics".
Yup - I prefer modern receiver design and performance as opposed
to a bad back!
Leigh....
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Airy R. Bean
you could explain the issues involved? The last time
you went off at a tangent - side-stepping and spin-doctoring
as is your style.
Once again, your use of gratuitous and childish remarks shows
you up for the loser that you undoubtedly are.
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Airy R. Bean
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Ian Braithwaite
<ne...@leighs.org> writes
>Walt Davidson <g3...@despammed.com> wrote in
>news:7hc9509kh1f5gr720...@4ax.com:
>
>Re: Racal RA17
>
>> You are talking about 50-year old technology! Grossly
>> over-estimated by "nostalgics".
>
>Yup - I prefer modern receiver design and performance as opposed
>to a bad back!
>
>Leigh....
>
My offer for sale of the RA17 was my first contribution to this newsgroup. This
is my last.
The receiver is a vintage boatanchor, and, as I explained, has to go. I do not
need the money, but hope that someone will come along who will offer a
reasonable amount because they value what is on offer. If anyone knows a worthy
organisation that could benefit, I will happily give the receiver away.
In the few hours since this posting, I have read mostly fatuous comments of no
value at all, have learned absolutely nothing apart from the depressing side of
human nature, and to cap it all, now we have people attacking each other.
I was lucky to join the hobby as a youth, when I was welcomed by gentlemen, who
only said something when there was something worth saying. I'm afraid I now
know our once-great hobby is in much worse shape than I imagined.
If anyone does have an interest in this fine old receiver, and would care to
make an offer, or knows a worthy cause, or would like to discuss the technical
issues of radio receiver design, you have my e-mail address. I shall not be
sticking around any longer on this newsgroup.
Farewell, with great sadness.
--
Ian Braithwaite G4COL
Leigh
news:c32dn8$22vfkk$1...@ID-217727.news.uni-berlin.de:
> Since you adopt the CBer's sneering 'n; jeering, perhaps
> you could explain the issues involved? The last time
> you went off at a tangent - side-stepping and
> spin-doctoring as is your style.
>
> Once again, your use of gratuitous and childish remarks
> shows you up for the loser that you undoubtedly are.
If you re-read Brian's comments, you'll realise he was talking
about you and not to you.
Having a good day?
Airy R. Bean
Monitor that was published in BadCon in the days before that
organisation degenerated into a CB club.
Unfortunately, the ill-manners in this group must be laid
back at the door of the RSCB and their ill-chosen campaign
to welcome the Mongolian hordes of Reays ^H^H^H^H^H CB
losers with their 5WPM and worse toilet-paper qualifications
onto the bands and into this NG.
"Ian Braithwaite" <ia...@g4col.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
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hatherleigh-Smyth@smythe.com Johnathan Hatherleigh-Smyth
> <ne...@leighs.org> writes
> >Walt Davidson <g3...@despammed.com> wrote in
> >news:7hc9509kh1f5gr720...@4ax.com:
> >
> >Re: Racal RA17
> >
> >> You are talking about 50-year old technology! Grossly
> >> over-estimated by "nostalgics".
> >
> >Yup - I prefer modern receiver design and performance as opposed
> >to a bad back!
> >
> >Leigh....
> >
>
> My offer for sale of the RA17 was my first contribution to this newsgroup.
This
> is my last.
>
thank goodness for that....
Robert Maskill
A lovely receiver.
We used to use one in conjunction with a separate transmitter at our
local Air Cadet Squadron.
The Cadets loved using it, and were horrified when it, together with the
transmitter was replaced by an Icom transistorised transceiver.
We often regret replacing it...
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Peterborough Cambridgeshire
www.coastalradio.greater-peterborough.com
www.robertmaskill.dsl.pipex.com
Leigh
> "Ian Braithwaite" <ia...@g4col.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:PH4hOdBQ...@g4col.demon.co.uk...
"Airy R. Bean" <airy....@lycos.co.uk> wrote in
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>> If anyone does have an interest in this fine old receiver,
>> and would care
>> to make an offer, or knows a worthy cause, or would like to
>> discuss the technical issues of radio receiver design, you
>> have my e-mail address. I shall not be
>> sticking around any longer on this newsgroup.
<snipped the butt licking>
> Unfortunately, the ill-manners in this group must be laid
> back at the door of the RSCB and their ill-chosen campaign
> to welcome the Mongolian hordes of Reays ^H^H^H^H^H CB
> losers with their 5WPM and worse toilet-paper
> qualifications onto the bands and into this NG.
So - the blame does not lie at your door Gareth, with your
temper tantrums when you lose the argument or your hatred of
anything since the current licence system came about (using
the multiple choice system) and the fact that you when you
have tried to influence the system in any way your remarks
have not been taken seriously.
Instead you prefer to run your one-man campaign in this
newsgroup without realising you're getting nowhere. I think a
maximum of 50 people contribute to this group with at least
two dozen of us on a regular basis - hardly much of an
audience to influence is it?
When getting nowhere, those with knowledge often look at
alternatives or review their failure.
Please review your failure.
I and others will be here to ensure your points of view are
challenged with our right to reply, either seriously or
otherwise!
Leigh.....
Peter Crosland
> > designed DSP
>
> Is that with or without "Big K" ;-)
>
> (If would appear even Gareth's RA17 didn't have Big K)
I was not thinking of any Far Eastern products though the JRC NRD-545 is
very good. Nevertheless such is the pace of progress that it has been
surpassed by more modern designs. If you are an ARRL member take a look at
their lab reports to see an unbiased (No pun intended!) opinion. The big
three manufacturers should be ashamed by the poor performance of their so
called flagship offerings.
Brian Reay
As I'm sure you will agree Peter, the " big three manufacturers" don't
really sell on RF performance- it is gizmos and gadgets that people look at.
It had long been the case.
I must admit, I'm tempted to something like an RA17- the 'rice boxes' don't
have the character of those old sets. They are just so big.......
Peter Crosland
> really sell on RF performance- it is gizmos and gadgets that people look
at.
> It had long been the case.
Absolutely! A local who had just "invested" (His words not mine) in a rice
box was shocked to read the ARRL report on it and that of another who has a
USA designed and made rig years older.
Robin Birch
<ia...@g4col.demon.co.uk> writes
Big Snip
>
>My offer for sale of the RA17 was my first contribution to this
newsgroup. This
>is my last.
>
>The receiver is a vintage boatanchor, and, as I explained, has to go. I
do not
>need the money, but hope that someone will come along who will offer a
>reasonable amount because they value what is on offer. If anyone knows
a worthy
>organisation that could benefit, I will happily give the receiver away.
>
Good offer, I don't know of one to hand but it would be a good general
listening set for foundation people.
>In the few hours since this posting, I have read mostly fatuous
comments of no
>value at all, have learned absolutely nothing apart from the depressing
side of
>human nature, and to cap it all, now we have people attacking each
other.
>
I totally agree with you over your comments. I find it particularly sad
that one of the regular butts of abuse is someone I know and who GAVE me
my first RA17. He is an ok person but just seems to get caught up in
it. Also many of the other "noises" in such discussions have
individually given me help, explanation and assistance on several
occasions. Why they always have to end up slagging each other off I
don't know.
I do not regularly contribute to this newsgroup, preferring to just pick
up on odd threads as it seems to need a great deal of filtering.
>I was lucky to join the hobby as a youth, when I was welcomed by
gentlemen, who
>only said something when there was something worth saying. I'm afraid I
now
>know our once-great hobby is in much worse shape than I imagined.
>
>If anyone does have an interest in this fine old receiver, and would
care to
>make an offer, or knows a worthy cause, or would like to discuss the
technical
>issues of radio receiver design, you have my e-mail address. I shall
not be
>sticking around any longer on this newsgroup.
>
I'd love the set but I already have 3 and one for spares and too many
other demands for the cash (I fly gliders which is roughly equivalent to
standing in an open field tearing up 50 pound notes in a breeze).
I do love RA17s. The basic design is very clever and an excellent
attempt to produce an extremely good receiver given the limitations of
the technology available at the time. On a bang per buck basis unless
you actually need the performance available with some of the modern (but
expensive) sets then something like an RA17 is a very good set to have
if you can cope with the size. Especially if you want to do QRP or
similar then an RA17 or equivalent is a good set to have.
Yes there are now many sets available that technically beat it into the
deck and perhaps the prices that RA17s can fetch (I have seen some go
for 200 - 500 ukp) as a result of collectors paying prices to compete
with Americans is getting a bit beyond the pale. But 100 to 150 is
reasonable for something that is a no frills comms set that will get you
up and going with a simple transmitter. All you need is a strong table
:-).
I am sorry that you have been pissed off by this and I will probably get
yelled at for agreeing with you. I for one shall miss you and others
even though we have never corresponded.
Regards
Robin G5HI
>Farewell, with great sadness.
>
Chris Kirby
>I shall not be
>sticking around any longer on this newsgroup.
Oooooh fibber! You're reading this.
73,
--
Chris
Geoff
> On Sun, 14 Mar 2004 18:11:04 -0000, "steve h" <g0...@spamarrl.net>
> wrote:
>
>>It's far better than any ham receiver regardless of age.
>
> I beg to differ. Almost any ham receiver made after 1980 is superior
> in performance.
>
> We had one at the Science Museum in the mid-1960s and, even then, the
> Collins KWM2 (1965 vintage) had better receive performance.
>
> You are talking about 50-year old technology! Grossly over-estimated
> by "nostalgics".
>
> 73 de G3NYY
One of the best HF receivers I have ever used, and I have used many, was
the Rohde & Schwarz EK47 and its derivatives. The design philosophy was set
by Dr Ulrich Rohde, DL2R (IIRC).
However, it does depend on the yardstick.
Geoff
Geoff
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> On Monday 15 Mar 2004 13:35, the viewscreen flickered and a sinister
> figure appeared, stating " I am Walt Davidson of Borg. Your opinions
> will be assimilated. Resistance is futile!":
>
>> The upkeep of a 50-year-old boatanchor is a specialist job, far
>> beyond the reach of 99% of M3s.
>
> But think of all the opportunities an 800V supply and a
> wet-behind-the-ears newbie holds for the future! ;o)
Interestingly, an M3 to be, passed his exam with 96% yesterday, is a
professional engineer with considerably more experience and knowledge than
that apparent in most of the posters in this NG.
I am sure that he is more capable of maintaining a 50 year old boat anchor
than most G3's I know.
The one question that he was marked down on was one that I too would
dispute the answer!
Geoff
Geoff
> On Mon, 15 Mar 2004 18:13:07 +0000 (UTC), Geoff
> <some...@nospam.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>
>>Interestingly, an M3 to be, passed his exam with 96% yesterday, is a
>>professional engineer with considerably more experience and knowledge
>>than that apparent in most of the posters in this NG.
>
> It is one of the worst shortcomings of the new, ill-conceived
> examination system that such a person has to demean himself by doing
> the Fools' Licence "exams" before he is allowed to move on to the
> so-called Intermediate and Advanced levels. I hope he will have more
> self-respect than to apply for an M3 callsign.
With respect Walt, does not a qualified Motor engineer have to pass a
driving test before he is able to drive a car?
Geoff
MARTIN COOK
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> On Sun, 14 Mar 2004 18:11:04 -0000, "steve h" <g0...@spamarrl.net>
> wrote:
>
>
> You are talking about 50-year old technology! Grossly over-estimated
> by "nostalgics".
Walt.
Whatever else we may agree or disagree about, our bodies are "50 year old technology" , plus a few
years.
Nostalgia means SAGA RADIO !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Your comments are about par for the human race at the moment.........
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> On Mon, 15 Mar 2004 09:24:09 +0000, Robin Birch
> <rob...@ruffnready.co.uk> wrote:
>
> >Good offer, I don't know of one to hand but it would be a good general
> >listening set for foundation people.
>
> explode. A mere M3 wouldn't have a clue how to repair it, and no
> commercial dealer or repairer would touch it.
So they would do what we did when we were learning- read up, seek help, etc
etc. That is how people learn. Even you, Walt.
> The upkeep of a 50-year-old boatanchor is a specialist job, far beyond
> the reach of 99% of M3s.
>
Opps, 50 year old technology. Why do I suddenly feel old?
Seriously Walt, when we started in the hobby (when we were 10 or 11) we
played with such technology. What makes you so sure that today's youngsters
are so much less capable? Basic science, inc electricity, is taught in
primary school and simple electronics in first year in secondary schools.
Moreover, technology is far more common place than it was in the 1960s (or
50s for you ;-) ), so today's youngsters can probably cope with it better
than we could.
Gareth Rowlands
Geoff wrote:
> With respect Walt, does not a qualified Motor engineer have to pass a
> driving test before he is able to drive a car?
The Motor Engineer will have to pass a driving test before driving a car
on a public road, but (s)he will not have to pass a test on pushing a
supermarket trolley in a car park before applying for a driving test.
73, Gareth.
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Geoff
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> In message <Xns94ADDB7598...@158.152.254.254>
> Geoff wrote:
>
>> With respect Walt, does not a qualified Motor engineer have to pass a
>> driving test before he is able to drive a car?
>
> The Motor Engineer will have to pass a driving test before driving a car
> on a public road, but (s)he will not have to pass a test on pushing a
> supermarket trolley in a car park before applying for a driving test.
From my experiences in the local supermarkets, perhaps a trolley test
should be mandatory - also MOT's on supermarket trolleys.
Geoff
Mark
> I do not know many M3s who are capable of reading, let alone have any
> desire to even try to learn.
I know an M3 who has done the following:
Re-Designed and built a 23cm Valve Linear and PSU.
Contructed an ATV transceiver.
Built numerous experimental and practical antennas.
Is currently building a 2m 1kw linear.
Is capable of doing repairs to a RA17!!
Stripped and rebuilt an RA17.
Built many odd filters, preamps, metering circuits.
etc.. etc...
Hmmm......
Geoff
> On Mon, 15 Mar 2004 21:33:22 +0000 (UTC), Geoff
> <some...@nospam.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>
>>With respect Walt, does not a qualified Motor engineer have to pass a
>>driving test before he is able to drive a car?
>
> Yes, but he doesn't have to go back to school and start learning at a
> level tailored for a child of 5.
>
No, perhaps not, but, and particularly for a motorcycle, he has to go to
school and learn at a level tailored for a 16/17 year old.
Geoff
Frank Turner-Smith G3VKI
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> On Tue, 16 Mar 2004 13:31:04 +0000 (UTC), Geoff
> <some...@nospam.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>
> >No, perhaps not, but, and particularly for a motorcycle, he has to go to
> >school and learn at a level tailored for a 16/17 year old.
>
> machine and L plates from Day 1.
>
> Perhaps the new amateur licensing structure was dreamt up by the same
> person who reorganised the motor cycle training scheme?
>
> 73 de G3NYY
>
I taught myself to ride a Honda CD175 with L plates on a public road. I
still can see no benefit from proving yourself able to ride in tight figure
eights around a skool playground, perhaps one day somebody will explain.
--
;>)
73 de Frank Turner-Smith G3VKI - mine's a pint.
http://turner-smith.co.uk
Laurie
> I still can see no benefit from proving yourself able to ride in
> tight figure eights around a skool playground, perhaps one day
> somebody will explain.
So you don't think the cycling proficiency test was worth it then Frank :-)
--
73 Laurie - G6ISY
(Who learnt on public roads & passed his test on a Honda CB250)
Geoff
> On Tue, 16 Mar 2004 13:31:04 +0000 (UTC), Geoff
> <some...@nospam.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>
>>No, perhaps not, but, and particularly for a motorcycle, he has to go to
>>school and learn at a level tailored for a 16/17 year old.
>
> I never had to do that. I was allowed on the roads with a 250 cc
> machine and L plates from Day 1.
>
> Perhaps the new amateur licensing structure was dreamt up by the same
> person who reorganised the motor cycle training scheme?
Yes indeed. At least the guy who has worked in the business for the last 30
years now only has to take the assessments and a short exam for both the FL
and IL.
Geoff
Geoff
news:c374gm$246bjd$1...@ID-201868.news.uni-berlin.de:
It was a political "gut reaction", like banning hand guns and speed cameras
(originally).
Trust politicians to think something through.......
Geoff
Mark
>
> >I know an M3 who has done the following:
> >
> >Re-Designed and built a 23cm Valve Linear and PSU.
> >Contructed an ATV transceiver.
>
> air-test it for him.
Oppss... I also forgot to mention he has a Full Licence now...
> >Built numerous experimental and practical antennas.
>
> A lot of SWLs do that... Always have done.
Ok... :-)
>
> >Is currently building a 2m 1kw linear.
>
> Hang about and I'll see if I can arrange a round of bleedin' applause.
Point taken!
> >Is capable of doing repairs to a RA17!!
> >Stripped and rebuilt an RA17.
>
> So he's into antiques... So what?
Cool..
> >Built many odd filters, preamps, metering circuits.
>
> I'll bet they were odd.
Yep, very odd indeed, and very high spec aswell.
Lucky bugger has access to Network/Spectrum Analysers etc..
:-)
Mark
Mark
"Mark" <mark.wo...@camNOSPAMcon.co.uk> wrote in message
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> <luc...@eternal-flames.gov> wrote
> >
> > >I know an M3 who has done the following:
> > >
> > >Re-Designed and built a 23cm Valve Linear and PSU.
> > >Contructed an ATV transceiver.
> >
> > Only spoiled by the fact he needed somebody with a real licence to
> > air-test it for him.
>
> Oppss... I also forgot to mention he has a Full Licence now...
>
equipment?
The answer depends on the frequency and power!
For instance, a 5mw 433.000mhz transmitter does not need a licence.
Nor does a ATV setup using 2.4Ghz @ 50mw ( Within the licence free part ).
Hmmmm.... am I being picky?
Brian Reay
> On Mon, 15 Mar 2004 22:47:42 -0000, "Brian Reay"
> <brian...@bigfoot.com> wrote:
>
> >> For the first week or so, after which the electrolytics will start to
> >> explode. A mere M3 wouldn't have a clue how to repair it, and no
> >> commercial dealer or repairer would touch it.
> >
> >So they would do what we did when we were learning- read up, seek help,
etc
> >etc. That is how people learn. Even you, Walt.
>
> desire to even try to learn.
Yes Walt, of course Walt. How many M3s do you know?
> >Seriously Walt, when we started in the hobby (when we were 10 or 11) we
> >played with such technology. What makes you so sure that today's
youngsters
> >are so much less capable?
>
> They are no less capable. They just lack the staying power to try.
> The modern teaching methods in primary schools have produced a
> generation of kids with grasshopper minds; if something cannot be
> completed in five minutes at most, they lose interest and move on to
> something else. This is a legacy of so-called "discovery learning" in
> schools.
I'd no idea you were an expert on such things. Are you a teacher perhaps in
secondary school?
Airy R. Bean
"Walt Davidson" <g3...@despammed.com> wrote in message
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> On Mon, 15 Mar 2004 22:28:51 +0000 (UTC), "MARTIN COOK"
> <marco...@btopenworld.com> wrote:
> >Whatever else we may agree or disagree about, our bodies are "50 year old
technology" , plus a few
> >years.
> >Nostalgia means SAGA RADIO !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
> Would you explain what you mean? I'm afraid your remarks make no
> sense to me.
Airy R. Bean
the only metric by which any person can be measured is the
Ham Radio qualification.
As the person mentioned appears not yet to have any Ham Radio
qualification, only a CB one, he or she is, as far as this group
is concerned, a loser.
"Walt Davidson" <g3...@despammed.com> wrote in message
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> On Mon, 15 Mar 2004 18:13:07 +0000 (UTC), Geoff
> <some...@nospam.demon.co.uk> wrote:
> >Interestingly, an M3 to be, passed his exam with 96% yesterday, is a
> >professional engineer with considerably more experience and knowledge
than
> >that apparent in most of the posters in this NG.
Airy R. Bean
one of those ready made according a type approval.
But you are not permitted to manufacture and use your own.
"Mark" <mark.wo...@camNOSPAMcon.co.uk> wrote in message
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Airy R. Bean
is a Ham Radio qualification, and an M3 is not such a thing.
"Mark" <mark.wo...@camNOSPAMcon.co.uk> wrote in message
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Frank Turner-Smith G3VKI
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> Frank Turner-Smith G3VKI wrote:
> > I still can see no benefit from proving yourself able to ride in
> > tight figure eights around a skool playground, perhaps one day
> > somebody will explain.
>
> So you don't think the cycling proficiency test was worth it then Frank
:-)
>
CPC out of interest not necessity.
Brian Reay
> On Tue, 16 Mar 2004 18:41:09 -0000, "Brian Reay"
> <brian...@bigfoot.com> wrote:
>
> >> They are no less capable. They just lack the staying power to try.
> >> The modern teaching methods in primary schools have produced a
> >> generation of kids with grasshopper minds; if something cannot be
> >> completed in five minutes at most, they lose interest and move on to
> >> something else. This is a legacy of so-called "discovery learning" in
> >> schools.
> >
> >I'd no idea you were an expert on such things. Are you a teacher perhaps
in
> >secondary school?
>
>
> Next question?
>
Well, I admit to being surprised. However, you've assumed I was disagreeing
with you- I wasn't as it happens, other than maybe how general you comment
seemed to be- ie your use of the world 'generaton'
Having taken a keen interest in the education of my 3 (youngest of which are
finishing primary school this year), I've observed a fairly traditional
approach to their education. From what I can remember, probably not that far
from what you and I received. Equally, having done the rounds of the local
potential Grammar schools for them , I found them to be surprisingly
traditional.
Of course, we could have been 'lucky' and Kent still has the 11 plus, but
either way I don't see the 'education system' in quite the melee you seem
to.
The other factor of course is, how well do we really recall our own school
days?
Brian Reay
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>
> I wish that proselytising Christian who posted on here once upon a
> time, Gareth Alun Evans, would pop up and offer an opinion.
>
Talk of the devil...............;-)
Frank Turner-Smith G3VKI
>
> Then you ought to try visiting a typical inner city in a
> "multicultural" area where it is even a problem to find one language
> understandable by all the pupils. Central Birmingham or East London
> would do.
Central Birmingham (CB)
>
> >The other factor of course is, how well do we really recall our own
school
> >days?
>
> I recall them vividly.
>
> 73 de G3NYY
>
so do I, and I wish I didn't. I wouldn't even send Airy to that crap grammar
skool I went to.
Err, come to think of it, maybe I would, but he'd have to pass the 11 plus.
JC Morrice
<g3...@despammed.com> writes
>>The other factor of course is, how well do we really recall our own school
>>days?
>
>I recall them vividly.
Ah, the 50's and early 60's in Scotland. I don't know about you, but we
didn'a hae dyslexia, we had the tawse! Worked too! Reading, writing
'rithmatic, right and wrong; the 5r's. And you had *better* know your
tables! Failure to recite was idleness that was to be punished!
Blubbers of course were worthy of the contempt they got.
And just to keep it on topic, the RA17 is a radio that would have
starred in any "boys own book" dream of the time. Keeps the shack warm
in winter too. I like my RA17. For 150 squids or less, it is still a
lot of radio.
John
--
JC Morrice
jo...@pentode.demon.co.uk
Airy R. Bean
old harridan for some time, but calling "Ham Radio" a belief system?
What an idiot she is! Perhaps she should try telling the 100,000, or
so Radio Hams in Yankland that they are figments of their own imagination?
"Sam" <S...@heterodyne.fswrld.co.uk> wrote in message
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> In article <8b2f50pccdu71r5jd...@4ax.com>, M...@privacy.net
> says...
> > According to the published definition (The Gospel According To Bean?)
> > of 'ham radio', it is a belief system like politics or religion.
> > AFAICS it has one-and-a-half adherents on this ng, and 'Jedi' as a
> > religion is doing far better.
> The cowering coward " I couldn't go out before 1030am " continueshis
> cyber-stalking.
Airy R. Bean
"Brian Reay" <brian...@bigfoot.com> wrote in message
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Airy R. Bean
Why not email him?
"Brian Reay" <brian...@bigfoot.com> wrote in message
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Roger Muggleton
brian...@bigfoot.com (Brian Reay) wrote:
> Of course, we could have been 'lucky' and Kent still has the 11 plus, but
> either way I don't see the 'education system' in quite the melee you seem
> to.
Here in Slough and also in neighbouring Bucks there are still grammar
schools. Such is the competition that 11 year olds take both the Slough and
the Bucks 11 plus exams. Most parents hire private tutors for the year
leading up to the 11 plus, and many hire more than one tutor.
Those who don't get through have the problem, as working hard at school is
considered uncool by a number of other pupils. This leads to problems for
both pupils and teachers. There is little that can be done with these
disruptive children, especially if they have disruptive parents, other than
excluding them, so they tend to move from school to school. Teachers get fed
up, and there are constant changes of staff, which doesn't help the pupils
either.
--
Roger.
g3...@nospamblueyonder.co.uk
<airy....@lycos.co.uk> wrote:
>Indeed, as far as this NG and Ham radio in general is concerned,
>the only metric by which any person can be measured is the
>Ham Radio qualification.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
which is???
Airy R. Bean
Perhaps in the light of your habitual infantile
and silly outbursts you are a CBer-Masquerading-As-A-Radio-Ham?
<g3...@nospamblueyonder.co.uk> wrote in message
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Brian Reay
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> In article <c38288$24qqsg$1...@ID-140397.news.uni-berlin.de>,
> brian...@bigfoot.com (Brian Reay) wrote:
>
> > Of course, we could have been 'lucky' and Kent still has the 11 plus,
but
> > either way I don't see the 'education system' in quite the melee you
seem
> > to.
>
> Here in Slough and also in neighbouring Bucks there are still grammar
> schools. Such is the competition that 11 year olds take both the Slough
and
> the Bucks 11 plus exams. Most parents hire private tutors for the year
> leading up to the 11 plus, and many hire more than one tutor.
That happens here in Kent as well.
I'm not sure such extreme coaching is a good idea- will the child struggle
later in the Grammar school?
Roger Muggleton
brian...@bigfoot.com (Brian Reay) wrote:
> I'm not sure such extreme coaching is a good idea- will the child struggle
> later in the Grammar school?
I don't know, but at least he/she will be able to work without unwanted
distraction.
--
Roger.
Brian Reay
That is valid and (even in 11 plus areas) not all primary schools seem to
devote the time to 11 plus revision etc. preferring to spend the time on
SATS etc.
I've mixed views on the 11 plus - I agree with the grammar system but would
like to see a mechanism to permit easier movement between schools (up and
down). Those who get into the grammar school but don't hack it, moving down
the system, while those in secondary schools can move up it.
Teachers I've mentioned this to say it isn't workable but, in my day, there
was part of this system in place. Several people I knew failed the 11 plus
but got come to the grammar school at 13 via the "13 plus" route.
zpk
>Yep, got you beat too. What a Class A moron.
>
what another example of the attitude to effort and hard work.
perhaps i see signs of a cb'er here.
Roger Muggleton
brian...@bigfoot.com (Brian Reay) wrote:
> Teachers I've mentioned this to say it isn't workable but, in my day,
> there
> was part of this system in place. Several people I knew failed the 11 plus
> but got come to the grammar school at 13 via the "13 plus" route.
This is still theoretically possible, but the grammar schools are so over
subscribed that there is rarely room to accommodate new children. In Slough
the non-grammar schools are all comprehensives, (also in theory) the main
GCSE courses are available. When I was young, this wasn't the case.
Grammar schools sometimes accept new pupils with good GCSE passes in order
to study for A-levels.
--
Roger.
huLLy
"Gerry Bilt" <m...@privacy.net> wrote in message
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> Sam wrote:
>
> >M...@privacy.net says...>
> >>
> >> It's what the nurse does to the drool on your chin.
> >>
> >
> >The cowering coward " I was afraid to go out vefore 1030am" continues
> >his infantile, nugatory comments.
>
> Only a moron asks a question of which he doesn't want to know the
> answer.
>
> PS: What is a vefore? Some kind of medication?
No doubt administered by his best friend G4SDW...
Graham W
> Sam wrote:
>
> >hu...@despammed.com says...
> >
> >>
> >> No doubt administered by his best friend G4SDW...
> >
> >not including sock-puppets)
>
> I thought HuLLy meant 'only friend'.
>
> Wasn't G4SDW a CB-er? ISTR him saying '"I have held a CB licence and
> will be renewing it shortly". Pity he doesn't appear on here any more,
> the former choir-boy and proselytizing Christian could have had some
> interesting discussions with the 'anti-religionists'.
Gareth is a CBer. In his own words "once a cber" etc.
His best friends are (or were) cbers.
BUT.................BUT............
He seems to have fallen out with the cbers. Like he fell out with
westinghouse and securicor.
Questions need answers.
73s de
GW
huLLy
> In article <761p50hqdqdiqi9oe...@4ax.com>, m...@privacy.net
> says...
nothing worth repeating..
Sam, I think you'll find that if you have problems with yoofs kicking over
your garden fence etc and you decide to go outside and deliver swift justice
in the form of a well deserved punch to the face, it will be you who finds
himself locked up.. this is more in the context of what is being said..
The fact that you revel in being the bully reveals much of your character...
huLLy
"Gerald Bilt-Lidl" <m...@privacy.net> wrote in message
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> That was exactly the point of my OP. But for one reason or another,
> Sam has chosen not to see it, or just missed it entirely.
That's because Sam's brains are in his balls, which are completely
preoccupied shagging a hairy has bean....
g3...@nospamblueyonder.co.uk
wrote:
>The cowering coward RVMJ " I was too SCARED to take leave from work"
>continues his infantile blustering in an attempt to avoid telling the
>truth.
>--
>Super Sam.
Are you "son of Airy" ? You certainly have all the trappings of that
infant
Airy R. Bean
<g3...@nospamblueyonder.co.uk> wrote in message
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> On Sat, 20 Mar 2004 16:42:06 -0000, Sam <S...@heterodyne.fswrld.co.uk>
> wrote:
> >The cowering coward RVMJ " I was too SCARED to take leave from work"
> >continues his infantile blustering in an attempt to avoid telling the
> >truth.
Frank Turner-Smith G3VKI
>
> Sam said: "You have shown that you are afraid of little kids you
> cowering coward. Just pray that you never meet me or a few of my
> mates."
>
> Threats are last refuge of the coward....you've just told us exactly
> what sort of person you are. A nobody....a total nobody. A
> yellow-backed, spineless nobody. Unless backed up by your mates, you
> are nothing. Totally worthless. You absolute 24-carat, Class A coward.
> I'm not afraid of you or your mates. Do your worst - I'm certainly not
> afraid of you...or your mates. You are totally pathetic.
By sheer perseverance Sam is starting to look almost as low a life form as
Airy. Are they related?
huLLy
"MattD.." <m...@privacy.net> wrote in message
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> On Sunday 21 Mar 2004 00:37, the viewscreen flickered and a sinister
figure
> appeared, stating " I am Frank Turner-Smith G3VKI of Borg. Your opinions
> will be assimilated. Resistance is futile!":
>
> > By sheer perseverance Sam is starting to look almost as low a life form
as
> > Airy. Are they related?
>
by
> accident whilst watching Nathan having fun with an SMTP server. You too
> could have your own Airy-bot...
>
> 212.21.118.235 /usr/share/games/fortune > shar fortunes
>
> # This is a shell archive. Save it in a file, remove anything before
> # this line, and then unpack it by entering "sh file". Note, it may
> # create directories; files and directories will be owned by you and
> # have default permissions.
> #
> # This archive contains:
> #
> # fortunes
> #
> echo x - fortunes
> sed 's/^X//' >fortunes << 'END-of-fortunes'
> Xp $
> X%
> X_Stupid_ Girl!
> X%
> XYou behave like a 5 year old
> X%
> XGrow up, OM!
> X%
> XWRONG! `dd if=/dev/random of=~/text`
> X%
> XWhat is Ham Radio? `dd if=/dev/random of=~/text`
> X%
> XStupid boy!
> X%
> XOnce again, your use of gratuitous and childish remarks shows
> Xyou up for the loser that you undoubtedly are.
> X%
> XPerhaps in the light of your habitual infantile
> Xand silly outbursts you are a CBer-Masquerading-As-A-Radio-Ham?
> X%
> END-of-fortunes
> exit
>
> Now just set up a crontab for it to pipe the output of the command
"fortune"
> through tin and reply to random articles at random times. Instant
Airy-bot!
>
> Yes, I know you can do this sort of thing in Windows now, but that's a bit
> like going to Mexico and trying to find the local Taco Bell ;o)
>
Lol, brill.. and don't forget Future Airy Bot (To Offend More), code named
fAiry BotTOM :)
Geoff
news:c3ipds$28sbme$1...@ID-117672.news.uni-berlin.de:
> On Sunday 21 Mar 2004 00:37, the viewscreen flickered and a sinister
> figure appeared, stating " I am Frank Turner-Smith G3VKI of Borg. Your
> opinions will be assimilated. Resistance is futile!":
>
>> By sheer perseverance Sam is starting to look almost as low a life
>> form as Airy. Are they related?
>
> I think perhaps the code for both is on the same server. I found it
> quite by accident whilst watching Nathan having fun with an SMTP
> server. You too could have your own Airy-bot...
>
> 212.21.118.235 /usr/share/games/fortune > shar fortunes
Matt, I think I have seen it somewhere before :-)
How about a Perl script to read the incoming NEWNEWS looking for Airy's IP
and then triggering the 'bot's response.
With any luck we could fill the NG with 'bots abuseing each other.
YG
Geoff
news:c3k20c$28o35r$1...@ID-117672.news.uni-berlin.de:
> On Sunday 21 Mar 2004 11:58, the viewscreen flickered and a sinister
> figure appeared, stating " I am Geoff of Borg. Your opinions will be
> assimilated. Resistance is futile!":
>
>> Matt, I think I have seen it somewhere before :-)
>>
>> How about a Perl script to read the incoming NEWNEWS looking for
>> Airy's IP and then triggering the 'bot's response.
>>
>> With any luck we could fill the NG with 'bots abuseing each other.
>
> Not a bad idea, but then that would mean supplying electricity and
> bandwidth for something that Airy does adequately himself. You've
> heard of self-abuse... ;o)
>
> What was that AI called that chatted to folks using VOIP? SANDRA or
> something, I forget. The name was actually an acronym. Perhaps this
> could be tied in to a radio to give our Airy someone to chat to!
Well I suppose that would keep the NG quieter, but at the penalty of
clogging up 11 metres - I guess it is there that he resides, I don't know
of anybody else who will talk to him.
YG