New repeater in manchester. GB3MI
andrew abraham
145.7125 -600 k/c offset CTCSS tone unknown at present. GB3MI will have a
wide coverage area and will be workable through out greater Manchester.
Check www.radiosgalore.co.uk for more info as they do not have there own
website as yet
jim.gm4dhj
James Bond
> website as yet
Tell me andrew, why must you keep reinventing the wheel? or have you not
found http://www.coldal.org.uk/rmc.htm yet?
DR X
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James Bond
> website as yet
and why, on your website do you claim GB3DX is the "best amateur repeater in
the country"? gb3cf gets more coverage than gb3dx and that doesn't need
shitty remote recievers to do the job. what are your technical
justifications for putting gb3dx above this other wonderful gb3mi?
dr.x
Alan............
"James Bond" <justme...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> > Check www.radiosgalore.co.uk for more info as they do not have there own
> > website as yet
>
> and why, on your website do you claim GB3DX is the "best amateur repeater
in
> the country"? gb3cf gets more coverage than gb3dx and that doesn't need
> shitty remote recievers to do the job. what are your technical
> justifications for putting gb3dx above this other wonderful gb3mi?
I have spoken to the keeper of GB3DX a couple of times on may travels
through, He is always jealous of the coverage of GB3KY ( one of the local
ones to me) its far greater than DX.
Also GB3KY seems to have improved just lately so its even better still.
So it look s like your wrong Andrew
Paul
> > website as yet
>
> and why, on your website do you claim GB3DX is the "best amateur repeater in
> the country"? gb3cf gets more coverage than gb3dx and that doesn't need
> shitty remote recievers to do the job. what are your technical
> justifications for putting gb3dx above this other wonderful gb3mi?
>
> dr.x
...and CF is currently just a pair of PMR rigs that are doing an
excellent job, not that enormous, pointless, rack full of equipment.
Why oh why can't amateur repeater builders just swallow their pride
and design something that just works using the KISS principle!
Paul.
jim.gm4dhj
> Why oh why can't amateur repeater builders just swallow their pride
> and design something that just works using the KISS principle!
>
>
>
> Paul.
Wot and deny Guru status to attention seeking hams? .....
James Bond
> > and design something that just works using the KISS principle!
how do u mean? how can a repeater really use the kiss principle, cant it
always be better? just dont make it better with shitty internet linking and
shitty remote recievers that need different tones and things. i hear theres
more work going on with CF with preamps or summint, god knows what the fuck
it will do, but the bloke apparently is trying to get handhelds sounding
better, like those two on bikes, dont think thats too bad meself.
gb3dx though couldnt even do their remote recieve with 13cms links and
signal level feedback to get true diversity recieve.
then again wouldn't that need some technical skill, something which seems to
be lacking over at GB3DX, all they've got is the skill to make a big fuss
about old technologies or obvious things that really are shit. what kind of
a repeater runs in someones back yard for fucks sake? gb3dx dont seem to
have done anything thats for the benefit of everyone, everything seems 2 of
bin done to give them an ego boost and make them more fucking god-like. bet
next time they dust the repeater it'll go on the fucking website.
dr. x
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> > > and design something that just works using the KISS principle!
>
> how do u mean? how can a repeater really use the kiss principle, cant it
> always be better? just dont make it better with shitty internet linking
and
> shitty remote recievers that need different tones and things. i hear
theres
> more work going on with CF with preamps or summint, god knows what the
fuck
> it will do, but the bloke apparently is trying to get handhelds sounding
> better, like those two on bikes, dont think thats too bad meself.
>
> gb3dx though couldnt even do their remote recieve with 13cms links and
> signal level feedback to get true diversity recieve.
>
> then again wouldn't that need some technical skill, something which seems
to
> be lacking over at GB3DX, all they've got is the skill to make a big fuss
> about old technologies or obvious things that really are shit. what kind
of
> a repeater runs in someones back yard for fucks sake? gb3dx dont seem to
> have done anything thats for the benefit of everyone, everything seems 2
of
> bin done to give them an ego boost and make them more fucking god-like.
bet
> next time they dust the repeater it'll go on the fucking website.
oh and ive never known any fucking doppler kit with triangulation give
accuracy anywhere near close to the street over the whole of birmingham.
especially not with only 3 stations. thats the biggest load of bollocks ive
ever heard, shows it in the fact the test server dont work.
i wouldnt take any notice, its all bullshit to try and scare you, another
first from GB3DX team (naturally!)
Dr. X
Jim
<justme...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> > Why oh why can't amateur repeater builders just swallow their pride
>> > and design something that just works using the KISS principle!
>
>how do u mean? how can a repeater really use the kiss principle, cant it
>always be better?
Yes, but look at the horrendous rack of out-of-the-ark equipment on
GB3DX!
> just dont make it better with shitty internet linking and
>shitty remote recievers that need different tones and things. i hear theres
Internet linking on busy repeaters is the worst thing anyone could do
(next to putting them 12糊 between existing repeater outputs). On
under-used 6m and 10m repeaters is a different matter.
>more work going on with CF with preamps or summint, god knows what the fuck
>it will do, but the bloke apparently is trying to get handhelds sounding
>better, like those two on bikes, dont think thats too bad meself.
CF does not need any bloody preamp's, it's operation is way from
reciprocal as it is, is already pulling in fringe coverage from other
repeaters and runs the risk of receiving interference from the
adjacent PMR stuff.
Anyway, CF is running on temporary equipment, so why the hell he
want's to mess with it is anyone's guess.
>gb3dx though couldnt even do their remote recieve with 13cms links and
>signal level feedback to get true diversity recieve.
>
>then again wouldn't that need some technical skill, something which seems to
>be lacking over at GB3DX, all they've got is the skill to make a big fuss
>about old technologies or obvious things that really are shit. what kind of
>a repeater runs in someones back yard for fucks sake? gb3dx dont seem to
>have done anything thats for the benefit of everyone, everything seems 2 of
>bin done to give them an ego boost and make them more fucking god-like. bet
>next time they dust the repeater it'll go on the fucking website.
It just sounds like someone's play-thing, but aren't all repeaters at
the end of the day?
Jim
Chris Kirby
>Internet linking on busy repeaters is the worst thing anyone could do
>(next to putting them 12½k between existing repeater outputs). On
>under-used 6m and 10m repeaters is a different matter.
Agreed about the channels.
GB3DX was always intended to be internet linked from the very start -
putting internet linking on an existing repeater is frought with
difficulty. As GB3HH has proved.
73,
--
Chris
James Bond
> >(next to putting them 12½k between existing repeater outputs). On
> >under-used 6m and 10m repeaters is a different matter.
>
> Agreed about the channels.
>
> GB3DX was always intended to be internet linked from the very start -
> putting internet linking on an existing repeater is frought with
> difficulty. As GB3HH has proved.
why cant you people just get decent kit? PMR apparently copes very well with
this 12.5khz spacing, and as i have heard said on cf, that copes very well
with this 12.5khz spacing. if that's the case then why cant amateurs cope
with it? is it that they're prepared to knock equipment thats old then
theyre prepared to embrace their 1960s radios? it was the best of several
solutions to the congestion problem, it was either that, use up more of the
band for more repeaters, put more repeaters on the same channels, or just
stop 2m repeaters. none of them are exactly sensible are they when you can
just use 12.5khz which the kit is out there to do.
dx was always designed to be internet linked but it was also always designed
to be run in someones back yard, now theyre moaning about the coverage and
need remote recievers. they should be able to use preamps and stuff to get
the recieve reciprocal, not need remote recievers, thats why i reckon cf has
the right idea. hats off to them. and why the FUCK would you change a
repeater that is working fine? what have you got to replace it with, some
494 or something, sounds about right for the cf group, finally the repeater
works properly again, and they cant cope so want to drop the coverage again.
madness.
and on hh they should of worked on getting more coverage via RF rather than
taking the cop-out of resorting to internet linking. pathetic. or maybe even
rf linking, now thats a nice project, but not shitty internet linking.
dr. x
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Matthew Haigh
<nos...@raynet-uk.net> writes
Isn't all amateur radio just a plaything, at the end of the day?
The guys at GB3DX are obviously keen, and they are doing something more
technical than operating a YaeKenIcom handheld. Maybe the direction they
are going in isn't to everyone's taste, but they are obviously learning
stuff and that is what amateur radio is all about - self training in
wireless comms. It really sounds to me as if "James Bond" has a personal
grudge here. If he doesn't like what GB3DX is doing (unless it is
causing interference), he can simply ignore it. If he'd rather have a
different kind of repeater, then he could do it himself (that's what
these guys did, remember?). Or he could offer his technical services to
the GB3DX group.
FWIW I have no interest in GB3DX, not knowing anyone involved or living
anywhere near it. I'm also not a regular repeater user (probably 3-4
years since I last chatted through one).
Matt
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> dr. x
I hope you have no plans to take over the world.......
KW
CUT>
. what kind of a repeater runs in someones back yard for fucks sake?
CUT>
Errrrrrr? GB3PZ does and to great effect. In my opinion it would be the
best repeater in the North if it wasn't internet connected.
G1ITV
KW
"Jim" <nos...@raynet-uk.net> wrote in message
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CUT>.
On under-used 6m and 10m repeaters is a different matter.
The two bands that internet linking is not only "not required" but would
prove to be a complete "balls up" at times of propagation enhancement.
KW.
KW
"Chris Kirby" <g4...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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12.5 channel spacings were approved for the Internet links at the bottom of
the 70cms band.
What with the band being secondary usage and the lack of equiptment to use
the spacings that
has to be the biggest cock up since they "nearly" issued M2 callsigns.
KW
Roger Muggleton
(KW) wrote:
> The two bands that internet linking is not only "not required" but would
> prove to be a complete "balls up" at times of propagation enhancement.
You may be right, but all these 'problems' can be overcome by the operators
adapting to the enhanced conditions. Who would want to bother with repeaters
when the band is open?
I've done a lot of mobile operation on VHF/UHF, and I fail to understand why
people use them when the bands are busy. There was a time when one of the
local UHF repeaters (BN or HL?) used to have about 10-20 concurrent users
during the morning rush hour - which meant that if you managed 2 or more
'overs' you were doing well. I used 70cm simplex and had many contacts with
'experienced' amateurs who told me that they hadn't realised that simplex
was possible on the band!
Similarly on two metres, amateurs don't seem to realise that SSB is
possible, especially when mobile. I prefer it, as you get a greater range,
with none of the PLL decoder noise when signals get weak and fluttery.
Years ago I had hundreds of contacts on 70cm SSB, from home and while
mobile. These were often with newish B licensees. Nowadays the newcomers
seem to believe that only 40m works for inter-G. A contact from here
(Slough) to a GM on 70cm is a fair achievement. On 40m it's almost
non-event.
--
Roger.
Jim
<justme...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>why cant you people just get decent kit? PMR apparently copes very well with
>this 12.5khz spacing, and as i have heard said on cf, that copes very well
>with this 12.5khz spacing. if that's the case then why cant amateurs cope
>with it? is it that they're prepared to knock equipment thats old then
>theyre prepared to embrace their 1960s radios? it was the best of several
>solutions to the congestion problem, it was either that, use up more of the
>band for more repeaters, put more repeaters on the same channels, or just
>stop 2m repeaters. none of them are exactly sensible are they when you can
>just use 12.5khz which the kit is out there to do.
Yup, the problem is not the repeaters, it's the state of 99% of
amateur kit (new and old) with barn-door front ends that have problems
with signals 25k away, leave alone 12˝k!
That's why a lot of the kit I use for amateur use is PMR, not amateur.
>the recieve reciprocal, not need remote recievers, thats why i reckon cf has
>the right idea. hats off to them. and why the FUCK would you change a
>repeater that is working fine? what have you got to replace it with, some
>494 or something, sounds about right for the cf group, finally the repeater
>works properly again, and they cant cope so want to drop the coverage again.
>madness.
The current kit is unreliable, albeit fairly good. Final unit will be
a Tait T300 (late version).
494 - What planet are you on? Those went out with the ark!
>and on hh they should of worked on getting more coverage via RF rather than
>taking the cop-out of resorting to internet linking. pathetic. or maybe even
>rf linking, now thats a nice project, but not shitty internet linking.
Could not agree more!
Jim
Bill
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>On Sunday 25 Jul 2004 12:30, the primordial soup was bombarded with cosmic
>radiation and a new life form of genus Jim emerged to test it's air
>breathing capabilities by gasping:
>
>> 494 - What planet are you on? Those went out with the ark!
>
As long as you don't mind the frequency drifting and the power control
being temperamental.
This sounds very similar to quite a few other amateur stations come to
think of it.
>
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Bill
Bill
writes
>On Sunday 25 Jul 2004 15:27, the primordial soup was bombarded with cosmic
>radiation and a new life form of genus Bill emerged to test it's air
>breathing capabilities by gasping:
>
>> As long as you don't mind the frequency drifting and the power control
>> being temperamental.
>
>around inside with a jeweller's driver...
Oh yes they are!!!!! Especially if any one was mad enough to use the
ovens.
I've had the pleasure of working on more than I can remember and 496's
>
--
Bill
James Bond
oh another one of those "im clever coz i use pmr" twats. nice to meet you.
> The current kit is unreliable, albeit fairly good. Final unit will be
> a Tait T300 (late version).
who says that its unreliable? seems great to me, dont kno what the fuck u
think its unreliable for.
do you ACTUALLY know what youre on about or are you a brain-dead moron?
dr.x
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>around inside with a jeweller's driver...
there not 2 much wrong with 494's. if u count the number of taxis that hav
bin ordered thro 1 then think bout it!
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Paul
<justme...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> The current kit is unreliable, albeit fairly good. Final unit will be
>> a Tait T300 (late version).
>
>who says that its unreliable? seems great to me, dont kno what the fuck u
>think its unreliable for.
So why it is currently off-air due to a technical failure??
Paul
Jim
<justme...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>oh another one of those "im clever coz i use pmr" twats. nice to meet you.
No, I use current-spec PMR sets because the are better made than 99%
of 2m and 70cm equipment on the market and don't suffer from out of
band interference.
I don't consider myself clever just because I use PMR, it just suits
me to have radios of that type, rather than a crappy little plastic
thing that shatters into 1000 bits the first time you drop it!
Just because I use different equipment that suits my interests in the
hobby does not make me better or worse than the next person, just
different in my equipment requirements.
>> The current kit is unreliable, albeit fairly good. Final unit will be
>> a Tait T300 (late version).
>
>who says that its unreliable? seems great to me, dont kno what the fuck u
>think its unreliable for.
>
>do you ACTUALLY know what youre on about or are you a brain-dead moron?
Yes, I ACTUALLY do know exactly what I am on about. Just live with it.
BTW CF is currently off air!
Jim
Jock.
wrote:
>who says that its unreliable? seems great to me, dont kno what the fuck u
>think its unreliable for.
>
>do you ACTUALLY know what youre on about or are you a brain-dead moron?
The CB-er reveals himself ...
--
Jock.
Class A (Hons)
James Bond
its off air coz sum twat were playing you over air traffic control!
nuffin 2 do wiv equipment, proves that u dont kno wot ur talkin bout
dr. x
Bill
writes
>On Sunday 25 Jul 2004 17:22, the primordial soup was bombarded with cosmic
>radiation and a new life form of genus Bill emerged to test it's air
>breathing capabilities by gasping:
>
>> ovens.
>> I've had the pleasure of working on more than I can remember and 496's
>
Yes.
>Strange mine has been fine and stable for ages. Perhaps I'm just better at
>alignment than you...
Gee thanks Matt. Not only have I been maintaining the things for years I
used to make them as well.
Casting your mind back 12 months, did you ever get anywhere with the
Motorola software? I gave up and use it elsewhere rather than 433MHz.
--
Bill
Bill
writes
>On Monday 26 Jul 2004 00:41, the primordial soup was bombarded with cosmic
>radiation and a new life form of genus Bill emerged to test it's air
>breathing capabilities by gasping:
>
>> used to make them as well.
>
You're forgiven.
>I like my 494 simply because it is simple to
>repair/work on/move to different frequencies. Considering some of the junk
>that passes for repeaters around here (an old Burndept has just been
>shoehorned into service for GB3GO.
When GB3CR first came on it was a U450! I would rather have that than
anything that Burndept have ever produced.
> I know. I had to fix the PSU on the
>thing) it is excellent quality kit. I am yet to see one with a dry joint,
>which says something for the process employed making these things. I also
>had the pleasure of working with Philips pick and place machines a while
>ago and got the same impression from them; solid and dependable.
>
>BTW, I also have a 496. Not in use, mind, but I have one.
>
>> Casting your mind back 12 months, did you ever get anywhere with the
>> Motorola software? I gave up and use it elsewhere rather than 433MHz.
>
>No, never did manage to crack that file. I even tried W32Dasm to see what it
>was looking for/at, but never got anywhere. Some things are better left
>alone.
Indeed.
>
>I'm beginning to hate Motorolas. I had two MC Micros here that refused to
>program on anything faster than a 386.
We keep an OLD Amstrad 640 laptop(?) for doing Micros, works every time.
> Getting one's hands on a 386 without
>a FIFO on the serial port is akin to finding a needle in a haystack these
>days, but with the help of a friend, one came my way. Once programmed, you
>have to "rewind" (inverted commas since it's about 1 and 3/8ths of a turn
>of ECW) the VCO coils to tune them for 70cms. Never again, it's just not
>worth it ;o)
>
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Bill
Paul
> > BTW CF is currently off air!
>
> its off air coz sum twat were playing you over air traffic control!
...and I wonder how you know that?