PMR446 and echolink (like) repeaters
Brian Reay
repeaters on the PMR446 frequencies (in particular one in Birmingham) and
decided to have a listen for any near my QTH.
Nothing was heard for several days- athough the "watch" wasn't continous,
but there was a brief signal last night and, from the accent, it could well
have been a repeater.
I know these were common at one stage and believe it had been established
they were not illegal, but I sort of assumed they had faded away.
Anyone know of any activity in their area?
--
73
Brian G8OSN/W8OSN
www.g8osn.net
Brian Reay
"Walt Davidson" <g3...@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
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>
> On the couple of occasions that I've ventured to call random people on
> PMR446, I've been invited to clear off and mind my own business - but
> much less politely than that! PMR446 is not CB ... at least not in
> this part of the country.
I've no urge to use 446 for that, I'm just curious.
Nick
"Brian Reay" <seewe...@invalid.com> wrote in message
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The eQSO version has gone. The replacement is;
http://www.freeradionetwork.eu/
The stations tent to be in mainland Europe, a few
UK stations do operate.
MM6-JBN
yes here in glasgow their is one witch uses 446pmr ch 5 and tone 5
(446.05625mhz & 79.7hz) think its run
from somewhere in hamilton you can visit the web page for the software
to make your own gate up or just listen in
EQSO software . a think its ok too use and from what i see a lot of uk
ham operators use it .
http://www.446user.co.uk/ is a good place to start
Ian Jackson
<g3...@invalid.invalid> writes
>On Sat, 4 Dec 2010 04:12:53 -0800 (PST), MM6-JBN <jbre...@gmail.com>
>wrote:
>
>>here in glasgow their is one witch uses 446pmr ch 5 and tone 5
>
>
Don't be silly, Walt. That would be Aeronautical Mobile, and we're not
allowed /AM in the UK.
--
Ian
Gareth
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Unless it is on 145.8MHz in Edinburgh
Jimbo ...
"Walt Davidson" <g3...@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
>
>
>
look up QRZ for another howler .........
Brian Reay.
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>yes here in glasgow their is one witch uses 446pmr ch 5 and tone 5
>(446.05625mhz & 79.7hz) think its run
>from somewhere in hamilton you can visit the web page for the software
>to make your own gate up or just listen in
>EQSO software . a think its ok too use and from what i see a lot of uk
>ham operators use it .
>http://www.446user.co.uk/ is a good place to start
I didn't realise that 446 EQSO was still around, I'd assumed it had fizzled
out. I'm a bit surprised that standard 446 handhelds have the range to make
the system viable but it seems they do, unless some "mods" are being done.
Thanks for the info.
Yeti
Is that mentioned in the PMR446 legislation?
Yeti
> "MM6-JBN"<jbre...@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:86a037a8-47e8-4701...@21g2000prv.googlegroups.com...
> >yes here in glasgow their is one witch uses 446pmr ch 5 and tone 5
>>from somewhere in hamilton you can visit the web page for the software
>> to make your own gate up or just listen in
>> EQSO software . a think its ok too use and from what i see a lot of uk
>> ham operators use it .
>> http://www.446user.co.uk/ is a good place to start
>
> I didn't realise that 446 EQSO was still around, I'd assumed it had fizzled
> out. I'm a bit surprised that standard 446 handhelds have the range to make
> the system viable but it seems they do, unless some "mods" are being done.
>
> Thanks for the info.
>
Given the right area and 'use', low power UHF handies can have a
surprising (and surprisingly inconsistent sometimes!) range.
Brian Reay.
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>
> Is that mentioned in the PMR446 legislation?
Good point, why not check and report back?
I know that some of the "balloon boys" us the small datamodules (on 433.92 I
think but maybe somewhere else) which don't need a licence and it is claimed
they are legal on balloons. Not checked the regs myself but the balloon
flights have been very public and I've not heard of any issues.
M0WWS
"Brian Reay." <seeweb...@ild.com> wrote in message
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> "Yeti" <ye...@ayrshore.com> wrote in message
> news:idgh00$adn$1...@news.eternal-september.org...
> >
>> Is that mentioned in the PMR446 legislation?
>
> Good point, why not check and report back?
as long as you use VoX and the integrated antenna, batteries and charger
it's fine.
http://www.chantrell.net/uk095/equipment.php
Brian Reay.
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Thanks but answer to the wrong question, I'd "trimmed" too much.
Yeti was referring to aeronautical mobile.
Yeti
Not related to Internet linking, or /AM, but this is interesting:
*There are a number of very low-power ultra-high frequency (UHF)
channels between 434.04 to 434.79 MHz that are available for general
non-specific short-range licence-exempt equipment use within the UK. The
licence exemption details for these and other non-specific SRD channels
are shown within the UK Interface Requirement 2030. We are aware that it
is possible to purchase hand-held equipment that combines the Analogue
PMR446 channels with these UHF SRD channels. Our investigations have
discovered that the identified combined PMR446 / SRD equipment is CE
Marked. This means that it can be sold legally within Europe. It is
assumed that the equipment also meets the relevant UK IR2030
requirements, e.g. has a maximum ERP of 10mW, and can therefore be used
on a licence exempt basis within the UK. We realise that some of the SRD
channels align with the input frequencies of certain UK Amateur Radio
Repeaters. We understand the frustration that this is causing some
Amateur Repeater users. We are therefore working to address this problem
in the longer term. In the meantime, however, we suggest that a short
call to the SRD user informing them of the interference problem and a
polite request for them to select an alternative channel might be the
simplest solution.*
From:
http://licensing.ofcom.org.uk/binaries/spectrum/business-radio/technical-information/adpmr446is.pdf
Yeti
Both Analogue and Digital PMR446 equipment must be used on a mobile
basis only for it to meet the licence-exempt operation requirements
within the UK. Please note that PMR446 equipment that is designed for
base station use, or mobile equipment that is configured as a base
station, e.g. as an Internet Gateway, is unlikely to meet the
licence-exempt operation requirements. Please see the ‘Use of non
licence-exempt compliant equipment’ section on the next page.*
*Use of non licence-exempt compliant equipment
You may be committing an offence if you operate equipment, including
equipment that meets the requirements of the R&TTE Directive, within
446.0 to 446.2 MHz that does not meet the PMR446 licence-exempt
operation requirements.*
from Ofcom.
Yeti
No mention of Aeronautical Use in there at all.
Brian Reay.
>
> Not related to Internet linking, or /AM, but this is interesting:
>
> *There are a number of very low-power ultra-high frequency (UHF) channels
> between 434.04 to 434.79 MHz that are available for general non-specific
> short-range licence-exempt equipment
<snipped for brevity>
Be aware that "licence-exempt" does not mean "you can do what you like".
It may well be that the regs prohibit certain things, such as aeronautical
mobile.
I'm not suggesting you need to find something that says you can use PMR446
aeronautical mobile, simply that you need to check there is nothing in the
PMR446 regs that says you can't.
Yeti
If you read the other posts, that's exactly what I said - there's
nothing in the regs that says you can't use SRD or PMR446 /AM.
Brian Reay
>>
>> I'm not suggesting you need to find something that says you can use
>> PMR446
>> aeronautical mobile, simply that you need to check there is nothing in
>> the
>> PMR446 regs that says you can't.
>>
>
> If you read the other posts, that's exactly what I said - there's nothing
> in the regs that says you can't use SRD or PMR446 /AM.
I suspect you are quoting 'guidance sheets' rather than the regs.
lu...@eternal-flames.gov
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>"M0WWS" <gareth...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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>>
>> "Brian Reay." <seeweb...@ild.com> wrote in message
>> news:8MPKo.1787$g84....@newsfe30.ams2...
>>> "Yeti" <ye...@ayrshore.com> wrote in message
>>> news:idgh00$adn$1...@news.eternal-september.org...
>>> >
>>>> Is that mentioned in the PMR446 legislation?
>>>
>>> Good point, why not check and report back?
>>
>> as long as you use VoX and the integrated antenna, batteries and charger
>> it's fine.
>>
>> http://www.chantrell.net/uk095/equipment.php
>
>Thanks but answer to the wrong question, I'd "trimmed" too much.
The authority on what communications equipment may be used on various
types of aircraft in the UK isn't Ofcom, it's the CAA. The
regulations in document CAP393 will be the ones covering balloons,
gliders etc.
Nick.
M0WWS
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tracking and telemetry was done in the amateur bands.
Yeti
I would think that it would be a rather important item in the regs, too
important to leave out of the guuidance sheets. Plus, I remember it
being mentioned that hangliders should be using PMR446, rather than
pirating 2m.
Jeff
The latest version on IR 2030 list the bands that are allowed for
"airborn use" for short range devices. That includes the
433.04-434.79MHz SRD band. (Which is what the baloon used.)
IR2009 for PMR446 devices does not mention airborne use, and since it is
allocated under Land mobile, It is safe to assume that airborne use is
not permitted.
Jeff
Jeff
> If you read the other posts, that's exactly what I said - there's
> nothing in the regs that says you can't use SRD or PMR446 /AM.
There is even stuff in the SRD regs that says you can!!! (but not in
PMR446 regs).
Jeff
Brian Reay.
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>
> The latest version on IR 2030 list the bands that are allowed for
> "airborn use" for short range devices. That includes the 433.04-434.79MHz
> SRD band. (Which is what the baloon used.)
>
> IR2009 for PMR446 devices does not mention airborne use, and since it is
> allocated under Land mobile, It is safe to assume that airborne use is not
> permitted.
Those sound more reliable sources than the guidance notes, thank you.
Not that I've immediate plans to try either, although the balloon project
does have a certain appeal.
Steve Terry
> On Sat, 4 Dec 2010 08:49:37 -0000, "Brian Reay"
> <seewe...@invalid.com> wrote:
>
> On the couple of occasions that I've ventured to call random people on
> PMR446, I've been invited to clear off and mind my own business - but
> much less politely than that! PMR446 is not CB ... at least not in
> this part of the country.
> Walt Davidson
>
>
Channel 8 CTCSS tone 8 (88.8Hz) has been encouraged to be used
as a calling channel, but as you say PMR446 is mostly used for private
conversations
I'd like to see a Japanese style PRS band here, UHF selective calling
simplex phone / cb
Steve Terry
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MM6-JBN
> "Walt Davidson" <g3...@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
>
> news:k62kf6pr33nnhl4a7...@4ax.com...> On Sat, 4 Dec 2010 08:49:37 -0000, "Brian Reay"
>
> > On the couple of occasions that I've ventured to call random people on
> > PMR446, I've been invited to clear off and mind my own business - but
> > much less politely than that! PMR446 is not CB ... at least not in
> > this part of the country.
> > 73 de G3NYY
> > Walt Davidson
>
> Channel 8 CTCSS tone 8 (88.8Hz) has been encouraged to be used
> as a calling channel, but as you say PMR446 is mostly used for private
> conversations
>
> I'd like to see a Japanese style PRS band here, UHF selective calling
> simplex phone / cb
>
> Steve Terry
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gfrs and frs radios are also good in and around the city . gfrs ch 19
462.650 ave had quiet a few contacts on this frequencey
Brian Gregory [UK]
> gfrs and frs radios are also good in and around the city . gfrs ch 19
> 462.650 ave had quiet a few contacts on this frequencey
Not legal in the UK though is it.
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n...@bgdsv.co.uk
To email me remove the letter vee.
DieSea
"Brian Gregory [UK]" <n...@bgdsv.co.uk> wrote in message
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C'mon Brian
Since when has "The New Breed" of "[1]Radio Hams (!)" Worried about legalities
( [1] Perhaps that should read Appliance / Radio Operators )
--
DieSea
MM6-JBN
<DieSea.NoSpamPle...@nnttwlwoorrlldd.ccoomm> wrote:
> "Brian Gregory [UK]" <n...@bgdsv.co.uk> wrote in messagenews:Et-dnYoeGLJeC2DR...@giganews.com...
>
> >news:9e5b5fd2-7d82-4bfe...@k21g2000vbd.googlegroups.com...
> >> gfrs and frs radios are also good in and around the city . gfrs ch 19
> >> 462.650 ave had quiet a few contacts on this frequencey
>
> > Not legal in the UK though is it.
>
> > --
>
> > Brian Gregory. (In the UK)
> > n...@bgdsv.co.uk
> > To email me remove the letter vee.
>
> C'mon Brian
>
> Since when has "The New Breed" of "[1]Radio Hams (!)" Worried about legalities
>
> ( [1] Perhaps that should read Appliance / Radio Operators )
>
> --
> DieSea
the new breed is that not "liable and slander" you cant tar every one
with that same brush
DieSea
"Walt Davidson" <g3...@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
> On Tue, 7 Dec 2010 03:26:13 -0800 (PST), MM6-JBN <jbre...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>>the new breed is that not "liable and slander" you cant tar every one
>>with that same brush
>
>
> --
> Walt Davidson Email: g3nyy @despammed.com
Hey Walt
Why kill file him
It's a lugh watching jim having a go at jim
One of them (jim's) have even sussed out one of the main protagonist on the group
So he cant totally be a dim witted MORON
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j b
<DieSea.NoSpamPle...@nnttwlwoorrlldd.ccoomm> wrote:
> "Walt Davidson" <g3...@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
>
> news:c19sf69bdg94o20jp...@4ax.com...
>
> > wrote:
>
> >>the new breed is that not "liable and slander" you cant tar every one
> >>with that same brush
>
> > Added to kill file.
>
> > --
> > Walt Davidson Email: g3nyy @despammed.com
>
> Hey Walt
>
> Why kill file him
>
> It's a lugh watching jim having a go at jim
>
> One of them (jim's) have even sussed out one of the main protagonist on the group
>
> So he cant totally be a dim witted MORON
> --
> DieSea
number , or my candidet number of my test paper , i asure you am mr
joe breen AKA MM6-JBN
lu...@eternal-flames.gov
wrote:
>look am not jimbo stewart
Of course you're not..
Don't you let anybody tell you otherwise, Jimbo.
Nick.
Brian Morrison
j b <mm6...@googlemail.com> wrote:
> i asure you am mr joe breen AKA MM6-JBN
Why the hyphen in your callsign?
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us...@private-mail-domain.invalid
: the new breed is that not "liable and slander" you cant tar every one
: with that same brush
Seems like they're eminently "liable".
--
73 Chris Cox N0UK, G4JEC, ex-AB0CN, ex-G8PTC RNARS #1157 EN34jv33
Gareth
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> MM6-JBN <jbre...@gmail.com> wrote:
> : the new breed is that not "liable and slander" you cant tar every one
> : with that same brush
>
> Seems like they're eminently "liable".
Perhaps MM6JBN has a law book that cost him 350 pence?
j b
> <u...@private-mail-domain.invalid> wrote in message
>
> news:dp82t7-...@chris.org...
>
> > MM6-JBN <jbree...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > : the new breed is that not "liable and slander" you cant tar every one
> > : with that same brush
>
> > Seems like they're eminently "liable".
>
> Perhaps MM6JBN has a law book that cost him 350 pence?
my god how roght can you be , NOT , i belive you to be a true shitbag
garath
can you prove otherwise
Steve Terry
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> On Tue, 7 Dec 2010 08:02:48 -0800 (PST)
> j b <mm6...@googlemail.com> wrote:
>
>> i asure you am mr joe breen AKA MM6-JBN
>
> Why the hyphen in your callsign?
>
>
To rightly differentiate the letters of the callsign from the worthless MM6
bit
Brian Gregory [UK]
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> "Brian Morrison" <b...@fenrir.org.uk> wrote in message
> news:20101207173...@surtees.fenrir.org.uk...
>> On Tue, 7 Dec 2010 08:02:48 -0800 (PST)
>> j b <mm6...@googlemail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> i asure you am mr joe breen AKA MM6-JBN
>>
>> Why the hyphen in your callsign?
>> Brian Morrison
>>
>>
> To rightly differentiate the letters of the callsign from the worthless
> MM6 bit
And make it so nobody will know it's a call sign unless the fact that it is
comes up in discussion.
Or maybe that's just an accidental effect.
MM6-JBN
> "Steve Terry" <gfour...@tesco.net> wrote in message
its to separate prefix from sufix , just in case ppl are confused.com
MM6-JBN
HOPEFULLY THE JBN BIT WILL FOLLOW ALL PREFIXES
Gareth
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MM6-JBN
> The prefix of, "Dumb Cluck", perhaps?
>
>
> - Show quoted text -
WHAT IS YOUR CALLSIGN , A BET YOU DONT EVEN HAVE ONE SASSENACH
Wymsey MK111
> SASSENACH
The gloves are off!
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MM6-JBN
wrote:
better put them back on its cold out side Charlie
Gareth
# WHAT IS YOUR CALLSIGN , A BET YOU DONT EVEN HAVE ONE SASSENACH
j b
> Over to Len GM0ONX for anti-racist criticism ..."MM6-JBN" <jbree...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:b4f88fd6-436e-4452...@r40g2000prh.googlegroups.com...
>
> # WHAT IS YOUR CALLSIGN , A BET YOU DONT EVEN HAVE ONE **SASSENACH**
YES THATS YOU , A LEACH FEEDING OFF OTHERS ,
Yeti
I suggest you all look up the TRUE definition of the word "Sassenach".
Wymsey MK111
>
> better put them back on its cold out side Charlie
>
Not my gloves. Yours and Garth's.
MM6-JBN
> On 09/12/2010 12:14, Gareth wrote:
>
> > Over to Len GM0ONX for anti-racist criticism ...
> >news:b4f88fd6-436e-4452...@r40g2000prh.googlegroups.com...
>
> > # WHAT IS YOUR CALLSIGN , A BET YOU DONT EVEN HAVE ONE SASSENACH
>
> I suggest you all look up the TRUE definition of the word "Sassenach".
Yeti
So you saw this bit?
"it was also formerly applied by Highlanders to (non-Gaelic-speaking)
Lowlanders"
To a Highlander, WE are Sassenachs as well...
MM6-JBN
yes but if you read on it tells you more , may be try it before
jumping the gun . lol
any way hows you gordon ?
did u get rid of that old emergencey service handy ?
Yeti
No jumping the gun, to a Highlander, anyone from the Central Lowlands or
further south is a Sassenach.
> any way hows you gordon ?
> did u get rid of that old emergencey service handy ?
Which one?
Gareth
GM0ONX
strangely silent about the racist remark quoted below?
Perhaps there are two reasons ...
1. Len was not taking the high moral ground, but was merely using my remarks
exhorting him to be a better person as a stick with which to beat me
2. Len is a hypocrite who changes his face depending upon from which
direction the
wind blows.
3. (Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisition!) As a representative of the RSCB
he has run away
with his tail between his legs as the result of David Taylor's excellent
historical exposition of the RSCB
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Barry
<seewe...@invalid.com> wrote:
>While listening on 8om the other night, I heard mention of Internet linked
>repeaters on the PMR446 frequencies (in particular one in Birmingham) and
>decided to have a listen for any near my QTH.
What is 8om?
Did you mean near your 10-20, 10-4?
>Nothing was heard for several days- athough the "watch" wasn't continous,
>but there was a brief signal last night and, from the accent, it could well
>have been a repeater.
>
>I know these were common at one stage and believe it had been established
>they were not illegal, but I sort of assumed they had faded away.
>
>Anyone know of any activity in their area?
>
>--
>73
10-4.
MM6-JBN
> On Sat, 4 Dec 2010 08:49:37 -0000, "Brian Reay"
>
hamilton near glasgow has one what is on most days ch 5 ctcss5 ,
linked to room 101 english .all time its on ,
its on air just now is you go to 446user.com you get a list of active
reapeters in the uk
MM6-JBN
>
> - Show quoted text -
the one i was looking at at magnum big old 1 with ext mic , £4 0r £5
Steve Terry
On Dec 13, 7:32 am, Barry <god_freee_jo...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> On Sat, 4 Dec 2010 08:49:37 -0000, "Brian Reay"
>
> <seewebs...@invalid.com> wrote:
> >While listening on 8om the other night, I heard mention of Internet
> >linked
> >repeaters on the PMR446 frequencies (in particular one in Birmingham) and
> >decided to have a listen for any near my QTH.
>hamilton near glasgow has one what is on most days ch 5 ctcss5 ,
>linked to room 101 english .all time its on ,
>its on air just now is you go to 446user.com you get a list of active
>reapeters in the uk
>
>
coverage and use than a D-Star repeater
Yeti
> "MM6-JBN"<jbre...@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:6f1d194a-a7cc-42ef...@u3g2000vbj.googlegroups.com...
> On Dec 13, 7:32 am, Barry<god_freee_jo...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> On Sat, 4 Dec 2010 08:49:37 -0000, "Brian Reay"
>>
>> <seewebs...@invalid.com> wrote:
>>> While listening on 8om the other night, I heard mention of Internet
>>> linked
>>> repeaters on the PMR446 frequencies (in particular one in Birmingham) and
>>> decided to have a listen for any near my QTH.
> <snip>>
>> hamilton near glasgow has one what is on most days ch 5 ctcss5 ,
>> linked to room 101 english .all time its on ,
>> its on air just now is you go to 446user.com you get a list of active
>> reapeters in the uk
>>
>>
> An eqso linked 0.5w 446 repeater, that'll have just a little bit more
> coverage and use than a D-Star repeater
>
> Steve Terry
Now now... to be fair, the D-Star repeater's coverage is fairly good -
just sod all use if you're mobile.
MM6-JBN
Gareth
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> On Mon, 13 Dec 2010 23:29:05 -0800 (PST), MM6-JBN <jbre...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>>Dstar = sucks
> Joe ... when you're right, you're RIGHT!
Digital
Shite
Threatens
Amateur
Radio
perhaps?
MM6-JBN
> "Walt Davidson" <g3...@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
>
> news:ukdeg6lnphn3buofd...@4ax.com...
>
> > wrote:
> >>Dstar = sucks
> > Joe ... when you're right, you're RIGHT!
>
> Digital
> Shite
> Threatens
> Amateur
> Radio
>
> perhaps?
Very good first i have heard that one . . . .
Yeti
> On Mon, 13 Dec 2010 23:29:05 -0800 (PST), MM6-JBN<jbre...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Dstar = sucks
>
> Joe ... when you're right, you're RIGHT!
>
>
http://i189.photobucket.com/albums/z214/Ayrshore/deathstar.jpg
Yeti
LOL!
Hey guys - Gareth made a funny!
j b
> > wrote:
>
> >> Dstar = sucks
>
> > Joe ... when you're right, you're RIGHT!
>
> > 73 de G3NYY
>
> http://i189.photobucket.com/albums/z214/Ayrshore/deathstar.jpg
should email that to OPS , by the way has any one seen / heard of him
lately ?
jim stewart
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and it was a good one .......
jim stewart
"j b" <mm6...@googlemail.com> wrote in message
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no..... thank god ......
j b
al be back after eastenders ....
jim stewart
good man .....