Foundation Licence
thedeerhunter270
to find the Foundation Licence was now available.
I'd like to have a go at the Foundation Licence, but I don't for some
reason fancy my local radio club. Is there another way?
Rob
white rover
http://www.amradioinfo.co.uk/
Hope you get on OK you will still have to go to the club to take the exam
but the rest you can do at home, a friend of mine did it this way and
passed.
Good
luck
Derek
"thedeerhunter270" <usem...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
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Brian Reay
"thedeerhunter270" <usem...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
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You don't have to do a course at the local club, or a course at all, that is
a common mis-understanding.
You can self-study (you may find the training site below useful- esp. the
download), do the assessments under the supervision of a registered lead
instructor who can then enter you for the exam. Same applies for the
Intermediate and Full licences (although the latter just has an exam).
So, if you don't "fancy" you local club, just ask if they will do the
assessments and arrange the exam for you. Some will, some won't.
Where are you?
--
73
Brian
G8OSN
www.g8osn.org.uk
www.amateurradiotraining.org.uk for FREE training material for all UK
amateur radio licences
www.phoenixradioclub.org.uk - a RADIO club specifically for those wishing
to learn more about amateur radio
Ryan Breai
licence by any self-respecting Radio Ham. If you wish forever
to be regarded as a CBer, then go right ahead.
"thedeerhunter270" <usem...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
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Tommy
"thedeerhunter270" <usem...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
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"white rover" <dan...@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
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> Hi Rob Try this site
> http://www.amradioinfo.co.uk/
>
> Hope you get on OK you will still have to go to the club to take the exam
> but the rest you can do at home, a friend of mine did it this way and
> passed.
> Good
> luck
Did this not start out as a "course" to be finished with a 20 question test,
or has it been watered down even more?
News.CIS.DFN.DE
"Tommy" <t...@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
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> Asda are issuing them now .. and you get stamps.
The Post Office used to do a similar function.......... Now they just do
the stamps.
Frank Turner-Smith G3VKI
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> The FL, or "Fools' Licence" is not regarded as a Ham Radio
> licence by any self-respecting Radio Ham. If you wish forever
> to be regarded as a CBer, then go right ahead.
>
(_!_)
class_a_zpk_12wpm
>> Asda are issuing them now .. and you get stamps.
>
>The Post Office used to do a similar function.......... Now they just do
>the stamps.
years ago, one could get a cb licence over the counter at the p.o.
seems thats its going that way again.
class_a_zpk_12wpm
<usem...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>I've been wanting to get in radio for some time, so it was a surprise
>to find the Foundation Licence was now available.
==================
eh???
did you know about the licence long ago ?
>I'd like to have a go at the Foundation Licence, but I don't for some
>reason fancy my local radio club.
why? full of b-licensees ?
> Is there another way?
yes.
get a class-a licence in any country that has a decent licencing
system.
then go and get it validated/recognised 'back home'
Brian Reay
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In the very early days, there was no allowance for those with prior
knowledge so it was assumed everyone would do the course.
After representations to the RA this was changed (around Feb 02, if memory
serves) and candidates could simply complete the assessments successfully
and pass the exam.
As of 1 Sept 03 , the exam was increased to 25 questions from the original
20.
Equally, there is no need to attend a course to get an IL licence- just
successfully complete the assessments and pass the exam.
Same is true for the replacement RAE (which is only an exam, there are no
assessments).
Johni
wrote:
>The FL, or "Fools' Licence" is not regarded as a Ham Radio
>licence by any self-respecting Radio Ham. If you wish forever
>to be regarded as a CBer, then go right ahead.
>
I asked at my local club if I could take the full licence exam or even
the intermediate without the foundation but was told I couldn't. Do
you know differently?
:
>
Ryan Breai
of people who should have known better, you have to
take the Fools' Licence exam as stage 1; but that doesn't
mean that you have to take a Fools' Licence out.
The meddling of these silly people means that it is now
much more difficult to get a Ham Licence than it used to
be; you have to do 3 exams instead of only 1. You also
have to do Morse Code which used to be optional.
(Oddly enough, a large number of those meddling fools
who now examine you on Morse Code were too
lazy or too stupid to do the Morse Code test that
used to apply to them)
Go straight on to stage 2, the Sick, or ILL, licence exam. Again,
do not take out a licence, but go straight on to the RAE.
"Johni" <hswive...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Brian Reay
That is correct, at least unless you are doing the last 'old' style RAE on
Monday.
You don't need to attend any courses, or take out the associated licences,
just pass the exams and assessments.
>Do you know differently?
Gareth, aka Ryan Breai aka the Chippenham Village Idiot knows very little
about most things. However, his knowledge of the licensing scheme is
especially lacking .
Leigh
1.news.uk.worldonline.com:
> The FL, or "Fools' Licence" is not regarded as a Ham Radio
> licence by any self-respecting Radio Ham. If you wish forever
> to be regarded as a CBer, then go right ahead.
Oh shut the funk up!
Leigh
news:3uahsvc9vhsjobl8h...@4ax.com:
Ryan Breai - also known as Gareth Evans - knows everything about nothing
and nothing about everything. Take anything he says with a pinch of salt.
His nickname is 'The Anus' - so you can work out the amount of respect he
has gained on usenet over the years.
Leigh....
Leigh
1.news.uk.worldonline.com:
> Unfortunately, because of the involvement of a number
> of people who should have known better, you have to
> take the Fools' Licence exam as stage 1; but that doesn't
> mean that you have to take a Fools' Licence out.
I've actually taken your lead and asked about the 'Fools Licence' that you
speak about to the Radiocommunications Agency - soon to be called Ofcom.
They've never heard of it and said "someone's made that one up".
Over to you Gareth.
Johni
wrote:
>Unfortunately, because of the involvement of a number
>of people who should have known better, you have to
>take the Fools' Licence exam as stage 1; but that doesn't
>mean that you have to take a Fools' Licence out.
>The meddling of these silly people means that it is now
>much more difficult to get a Ham Licence than it used to
>be; you have to do 3 exams instead of only 1. You also
>have to do Morse Code which used to be optional.
>(Oddly enough, a large number of those meddling fools
>who now examine you on Morse Code were too
>lazy or too stupid to do the Morse Code test that
>used to apply to them)
>
This would be ok if it was easy to find clubs offering courses. I've
tried all those in my area and am not likely to get on a foundation
course until February at the earliest. I have no idea when the other
courses will be available. So it looks as if I shall have to take out
the foundation licence if I want to do more than listen for the time
being. I can understand some Hams being a little put out by the ease
that a licence of sorts can be obtained now but don't plame the M3s,
there really isn't anthing they can do about it.
:
>
thedeerhunter270
On Sat, 29 Nov 2003 10:47:45 +0000, Walt Davidson
<g3...@despammed.com> wrote:
>
>Just make up a callsign and go on the air. That's what everybody else
>does.
>
>73 de G3NYY
thedeerhunter270
The 10w licence is all I want, and to be honest, a hobby that needs
new blood, the FL is a good idea. It's got me interested again
On Sat, 29 Nov 2003 11:16:14 -0000, "Ryan Breai" <M...@privacy.net>
wrote:
>The FL, or "Fools' Licence" is not regarded as a Ham Radio
Ryan Breai
Ham radio is a technical pursuit, CB Radio and its
derivations, including IMHO the FL, are not.
To get an FL you are tested on your ability to
operate radios; not even the trucker with his CB had to
do that!
Therefore the official policy seems to be to class the FL
licensee somewhat lower in capability than the CBer.
It has been suggested that a number of examination centres
will run the FL/IL/RAE exams in quick succession. Your difficulty
seems to be finding a centre to do the exams. Once you've
resolved that difficulty I suggest that you arrange to do all 3 at
the one sitting.
"Johni" <hswive...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Geoff
news:70khsv4edpi1bblcc...@4ax.com:
> This would be ok if it was easy to find clubs offering courses. I've
> tried all those in my area and am not likely to get on a foundation
> course until February at the earliest. I have no idea when the other
> courses will be available. So it looks as if I shall have to take out
> the foundation licence if I want to do more than listen for the time
> being. I can understand some Hams being a little put out by the ease
> that a licence of sorts can be obtained now but don't plame the M3s,
> there really isn't anthing they can do about it.
The Foundation or Intermediate Licence courses do not _have_ to be taken at
the "local club". The courses may be run by an "Approved Instructor" at any
venue deemed suitable. The exams have to be sat at a registered centre
though.
Geoff
marc
thedeerhunter270 <usem...@yahoo.co.uk> writes
>I've been wanting to get in radio for some time, so it was a surprise
>to find the Foundation Licence was now available.
Find a good club and go ahead.
Unlike the general tone of this newsgroup it is a friendly hobby to get
into.
The FL is less then taxing but treat it as a stepping stone to greater
things.
Just ignore the negative views that you get on here and disassociate
yourself, once one air, from the idiot/pirates and you will have fun.
--
Marc Draper
Ryan Breai
world-wide than there have ever been, not including the FL.
Has it got you interested in Ham Radio, which is a technical
pursuit, or in CB Radio and its variants which are consumerist
operating pursuits?
"thedeerhunter270" <usem...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
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beanbag
Shame we have idiots who are trying to slag off those trying to get in to
the hobby. Without the newblood, the hobby would die and the old farts who
dont like it would have nothing to moan about or be able to flame the
newcomers at all.
Just ignore those idiots - they are the ones that are killing the hobby by
making the poisonous comments and scaring away people from the hobby.
"class_a_zpk_12wpm" <ezfw_pkearn_zfws@rae_next_month.eircom.ru.br.net> wrote
in message news:3fc8983...@news1.eircom.net...
Ryan Breai
gentlemanly conduct and encouraging the novice with
his or her technical progress.
The childish and abusive outbursts in this NG from those
who are clearly of a CB mentality are nothing to do with
Ham radio.
"marc" <ma...@mdeng.co.uk> wrote in message
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Frank Turner-Smith G3VKI
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>
> It has been suggested that a number of examination centres
> will run the FL/IL/RAE exams in quick succession. Your difficulty
> seems to be finding a centre to do the exams. Once you've
> resolved that difficulty I suggest that you arrange to do all 3 at
> the one sitting.
>
sitting the next? If not, supposing you were only to pass some stages, would
you have to re-sit all of them, or only the stages you failed?
--
;>)
73 de Frank Turner-Smith G3VKI - mine's a pint.
thedeerhunter270
On Sat, 29 Nov 2003 13:01:53 GMT,
ezfw_pkearn_zfws@rae_next_month.eircom.ru.br.net (class_a_zpk_12wpm)
wrote:
Brian Reay
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The papers are marked on the spot and the results given out- at least after
the initial pilot exams. The marking is done by an independent invigilator
who must have been involved in running the courses.
At the moment, the FL is available at short notice for any convenient day,
the IL is only available once a month on a fixed day and time (next one is
15 Dec). The new RAE will be like this also, at least initially. As demand
increases (which it is already) it is hoped / planned both will be available
at short notice on other days.
So, at the moment, the idea of doing all the exams in one 'sitting' isn't
valid- at least not until the scheme is in full swing.
Also, that would be a lot of exam time and questions in one day. The FL is
25 questions, the IL 45, and the Full 68. A total of 138 questions to get
a Full Licence, plus the various assessments.
marc
<M...@privacy.net> writes
Funny how you agree with a comment that was aimed at you !
--
Marc
Ryan Breai
aimed at me in any way. I have consistently condemned those
who resort to infantile and abusive terms, and have
encouraged polite and friendly discourse.
I have consistently encouraged everybody to tackle and
pass the RAE to enter the pursuit of Ham radio, which
is a technological activity.
Perhaps you would be so kind as to illustrate, with the
full and appropriate context, any behaviour of mine
which would warrant your claim that your criticism was
aimed at me?
"marc" <ma...@mdeng.co.uk> wrote in message
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Frank Turner-Smith G3VKI
< crap snipped >
STILL not got your ADSL up and running? What's the problem? Have you run out
of polarised resistors?
(_!_)
thedeerhunter270
On Sat, 29 Nov 2003 17:31:12 -0000, "Ryan Breai" <M...@privacy.net>
wrote:
>No "new blood" is needed. There are more licences
thedeerhunter270
And, I've already ignore the negative comments of some here...
marc
thedeerhunter270 <usem...@yahoo.co.uk> writes
>I will contact my local club next week to get a FL course arranged.
>
>And, I've already ignore the negative comments of some here...
Good.
I wish you all the best. I am sure you will gain a lot out of it.
--
Marc
Paul Shayler
<g3...@despammed.com> writes
>>to find the Foundation Licence was now available.
>>
>
>Yes.
>
>Just make up a callsign and go on the air. That's what everybody else
>does.
>
>73 de G3NYY
>
Paul S. G6TSF/M3TSF
--
Paul Shayler
marc
<M...@privacy.net> writes
>I cannot see how your comment could have been
>aimed at me in any way. I have consistently condemned those
>who resort to infantile and abusive terms, and have
>encouraged polite and friendly discourse.
>
>I have consistently encouraged everybody to tackle and
>pass the RAE to enter the pursuit of Ham radio, which
>is a technological activity.
Every time someone mentions the FL You repeatedly Jump in and tar all M3
licence holders and would be M3 licence holders with the same
unflattering brush. Hardly a warm welcome to an interesting and sociable
hobby.
As the opportunity to take the last RAE has now passed, the only way to
gain the full licence is via the M3 route. From now on all amateurs will
hold an M3 licence at some stage. Quite a large number of people to
offend.
As time progresses and the pursuit changes the old calls appear more in
the silent key section of the Radcom rather then the airwaves and Morse
is but a distant memory........
........Perhaps rather than a chirpy "73's" at the end of a friendly
contact we will hear "Roger dodger my old pall" :-)
I am sure you are looking forward to that day.
--
Marc
A Veteran Has Lung
"Walt Davidson" <g3...@despammed.com> wrote in message
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> On Sun, 30 Nov 2003 11:59:57 +0000, marc <ma...@mdeng.co.uk> wrote:
>
> > From now on all amateurs will
> >hold an M3 licence at some stage.
>
>
> 73 de G3NYY
>
> --
> Walt Davidson Email: g3nyy @despammed.com
Walt, I think he means after December everybody will have to take the
Foundation test/exam/farce (depending on your outlook) before they progress
to a higher licence class. Which is exactly the case. With regard to the
licence, we both know there is no requirement to actually apply for a
foundation licence before continuing to the next level.
Regards de 2E1TEC
marc
<g3...@despammed.com> writes
>>hold an M3 licence at some stage.
>
Really !!!!
From now on how can you become an amateur without taking the Foundation
exam.??????
--
Marc
Ryan Breai
"thedeerhunter270" <usem...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
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Ryan Breai
is nothing to do with Ham radio which is a technical pursuit
and one in which gentlemanly cordial relations are enjoyed
by all.
It is my wish that technical standards be maintained, and I
exhort all those who would otherwise go for an M3/CB
licence not to do so, but to go straight for the RAE, and
then join the international fraternity that is Ham Radio
I do not see that there is anything unfriendly in such a
stance.
If you interpret that stance as unfriendly, then it is
a problem at your end, OM.
"marc" <ma...@mdeng.co.uk> wrote in message
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Ryan Breai
some who should have known better, to take the
Fools' Licence exam, that is true. But once having taken that
exam, you go straight on to the next exam. There is no
reason that you need to take out a CBers licence at that stage, for that
is what the M3 is.
There is no reason why some should take offence at my opinion
that a CBer's licence, such as the M3, has nothing whatsoever
to do with Ham Radio. Indeed, if there are those at a novice
stage who wish to be regarded as the fellows of Radio hams, then
I say to them that they should make the effort to tackle and then
pass the RAE. I cannot see why anyone should take offence or
be offended because of my exhortation to them to improve
themselves.
"marc" <ma...@mdeng.co.uk> wrote in message
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Ryan Breai
The M3 licence is total rubbish.
"Walt Davidson" <g3...@despammed.com> wrote in message
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> On Sun, 30 Nov 2003 11:59:57 +0000, marc <ma...@mdeng.co.uk> wrote:
> > From now on all amateurs will
> >hold an M3 licence at some stage.
> Total rubbish!
marc
<M...@privacy.net> writes
> I
>exhort all those who would otherwise go for an M3/CB
>licence not to do so, but to go straight for the RAE,
Which is now totally impossible.
--
Marc
Steve Terry
> I've been wanting to get in radio for some time, so it was a surprise
> to find the Foundation Licence was now available.
> I'd like to have a go at the Foundation Licence, but I don't for some
> reason fancy my local radio club. Is there another way?
>
Yes just pick M3 and 3 letters and pirate it, no one will be able to tell the
difference
Steve Terry
Brian Reay
Actually, it is possible.
The requirement is that you complete each of the preceding exams and
assessments before taking those at the next level. You don't have to apply
for the corresponding licences.
Now, whether that is a good idea is up to you- it could delay you getting on
air for a couple of months at the moment but, once the new scheme is fully
established, any delay should be minimal.
A local did his FL on 28 Sept, got his M3 call about a week later, did the
Intermediate exam on 27 Oct, and had his 2E call a few weeks later (due to
the postal delays). He is studying for his Full licence with the aim of
doing the Feb 04 exam. Another did his FL in the summer, is booked in for
the IL on 15 Dec, and is studying for his Full licence, also aiming to do
the Feb 04 exam.
Steve Terry
> I think you're being a tad cynical.
> The 10w licence is all I want, and to be honest, a hobby that needs
> new blood, the FL is a good idea. It's got me interested again
>
Steve Terry
Steve Terry
> On Sat, 29 Nov 2003 17:11:53 GMT, thedeerhunter270
> <usem...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>
> >The 10w licence is all I want
>
> further.
> 73 de G3NYY
> Walt Davidson
>
Mercy sakes that's a big 4 for sure good buddy
Steve Terry
Frank Turner-Smith G3VKI
<M...@privacy.net> wrote in message
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< crap snipped to save dial-up bandwidth and phone call costs>
STILL no ADSL? Remind me not to employ you. Come to think of it, I don't
need reminding.
(_!_)
Steve Terry
>
By getting a reciprocal from a foreign licence
Steve Terry
A Veteran Has Lung
"Steve Terry" <g4...@despammed.com> wrote in message
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73 de 2E1TEC
Steve Terry
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Steve Terry
marc
<M...@privacy.net> writes
> Ham radio which is a technical pursuit
>and one in which gentlemanly cordial relations are enjoyed
>by all.
>
I think you may even agree that the days of Ham radio being a purely
technical pursuit are numbered.
With the number of multi-band, multi-mode transceivers that are
available, the tendency for "home brew" will be less along with the
overall need to know what is going on inside them.
The same that has happened in many other fields. How many people want to
know how their car or computer works? But still they use them with
little penalty in efficiency for their lack of knowledge.
You wish to pursue your technical interest in Ham radio, others do not
preferring the communication side. There are many challenges with in the
hobby not just technical.
I do think that working (lawfully) within the constraints of an M3
licence provides good, for want of a better phrase, "on the job
training" . And as a stepping stone to the full licence. On a very basic
level it encourages the licence holder to explore the virtues of QRP and
proves that you don't need to running 300watts to make a decent contact.
And that has got to be good for everyone.
By passing the RAE you have undoubtedly proved that you know it all, but
where do you go for there?
Working ones way up through the ranks over a period of time will be an
ongoing challenge and a long and interesting learning curve. whilst
being able to use the air waves at the same time.
I do shudder when I hear the mock northern trucker tones bellowing out
from Essex and do understand how that can get to the nerves of a "true
amateur". but as long as they are happy talking among them selves.
Times change, the hobby is moving on.
How about encouraging the M3's and helping with their questions. Might
even make this newsgroup a more civil place.... but perhaps that's
asking too much
--
Marc
Geoff
You do not need to hold a M3 call, but you do need to pass the FL exam. You
then go straight for the IL. You do not need to get a M3 call, pass go or
collect £200.
Geoff
A Veteran Has Lung
the shit stirrers in this newsgroup.
They are all big men, as long as nobody knows who they really are....
Frank Turner-Smith G3VKI
>
> No, just man enough not to hide behind an anonymous sockpuppet like some
of
> the shit stirrers in this newsgroup.
> They are all big men, as long as nobody knows who they really are....
>
worst offender.
--
;>)
73 de Frank Turner-Smith G3VKI - mine's a pint.
Brian Reay
<M...@privacy.net> wrote in message
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> Ryan Breai wrote:
>
> >Ham radio which is a technical pursuit
> >and one in which gentlemanly cordial relations are enjoyed
> >by all.
>
> [1] Please read your BR68 for the reasons for the Amateur Licence
>
> [2] Since when has your behaviour been modelled that of a 'gentleman'?
>
> [3] Why won't you discuss BR68? Is it because its message doesn't fit
> the Gospel According To Gareth? Shame on you.
>
Why not just stick him in your killfile.
He thrives on attention- ignore him and he will go away.
Frank Turner-Smith G3VKI
news:bqdret$1rkhfm$1...@ID-140397.news.uni-berlin.de...
>
>
> <M...@privacy.net> wrote in message
> news:qeiksv4pegl5c3rcs...@4ax.com...
> > Ryan Breai wrote:
> >
> > >Ham radio which is a technical pursuit
> > >and one in which gentlemanly cordial relations are enjoyed
> > >by all.
> >
> > [1] Please read your BR68 for the reasons for the Amateur Licence
> >
> > [2] Since when has your behaviour been modelled that of a 'gentleman'?
> >
> > [3] Why won't you discuss BR68? Is it because its message doesn't fit
> > the Gospel According To Gareth? Shame on you.
> >
>
> Why not just stick him in your killfile.
>
> He thrives on attention- ignore him and he will go away.
>
>
must be massive!
Recently he accused an innocent contributor of adding the term 'village
idiot' to his latest sock puppet. It appears that he only saw this amendment
after somebody responded because the offender (it's a fair cop, guv) was in
his kill file and he only saw the responses, but was too thick to work this
out!
I know we shouldn't mock the afflicted, but this is fun!
Brian Reay
news:assksv4fibrna8bss...@4ax.com...
> Brian Reay wrote:
>
> >
> >Why not just stick him in your killfile.
> >
>
> Well, I've never operated a killfile, and don't want to start one for
> a person of this calibre. The other problem is the provable wrong
> information he posts, that could mislead the inexperienced or the
> unwary. I feel this needs to be countered as and when it arises,
You can still do that- just respond in a positive manner to the original
posts- esp when they are requests for help etc. Better still, do so by
Email. Often as not I get responses indicating that his negative posts,
besides giving the reader a good laugh, often make new comers more
determined to enter the hobby.
I still use "Gareth Warning" that term when lecturing and pointing out
common mis-understandings. (Eg mis-use of the dB, the fact that resistors
aren't polarised, the nature of RF (ie not 'nuclear
emissions)...................)
Of course, there is the "Gareth Moment". This like a "Blond Moment" but a
life long, rather than a brief, lapse in brain power ;-)
Some day I will get the chance to refer to "casting aside after a Gareth
bodge"
The tone of his posts is enough to convey to (virtually) anybody what a
total waste of space he is.
>and
> the proof of the pudding is that he claims *I* am in *his* killfile -
> which to my mind says it all!
I doubt if "his" version of Outlook has a 'kill file"- he writes all his own
software you know ;-)
Frank Turner-Smith G3VKI
will be ready as soon as he's made enough polarised resistors and calibrated
them in dB.
thedeerhunter270
Maybe 100w is what you need, but for me, even if I had a full license,
I'd still only use 10-15w.
Just my preference…
Ryan Breai
the Sick (ILL) Licence exam as thought they are papers
1 & 2 of a 3 paper exam.
There is no necessity WHATSOEVER to take out an
M3/CB Fools' Licence or a Sick Licence.
You only have to read the sick comments made in this
NG by Sick Licensees to know that you don't
want to be thought as one of them!
"marc" <ma...@mdeng.co.uk> wrote in message
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Ryan Breai
is you who describes the licence as though it is a CB
licence!
Ham Radio licences are for those of a technical bent, and
for whom getting on the air is a secondary consideration.
"Brian Reay" <brian...@bigfoot.com> wrote in message
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Ryan Breai
has been, always will be. That is not to say that there
are not a number of different classes of CBers, in
particular, the CBer-Masquerading-As-A-Radio-Ham,
whose mantra to rationalise his position is the one that
you quote below.
"marc" <ma...@mdeng.co.uk> wrote in message
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Ryan Breai
quite wrong.
The communication side comes only after technical
training and experimentation for the Radio Ham. It
is CB Radio that is limited only to a communication
side. Do not be deceived by the (increasing) number
of CBers who are masquerading as Radio Hams!
"marc" <ma...@mdeng.co.uk> wrote in message
news:IWumaG6dRky$Ew...@mdeng.demon.co.uk...
> In article <3fca331e$1...@mk-nntp-1.news.uk.worldonline.com>, Ryan Breai
> <M...@privacy.net> writes
> > Ham radio which is a technical pursuit
> >and one in which gentlemanly cordial relations are enjoyed
> >by all.
> >
>
Ryan Breai
to buy in a rig, but is that the Ham is qualified to manufacture
his own whenever the fancy takes him. ( The "moment"
may well pass sooner than you think - with Brit manufacturing
moving abroad, the Brit himself having no money 'cos his
job has gone abroad, and importation being prohibitively
expensive 'cos Britland's balance of payments isn't
balanced 'cos its got no native production going on.)
Ham radio is not a consumerist matter.
CB, OTOH, is.
Your analogy with motor-cars is invalid. I use motor cars as
a consumer and do not need to be able to modify or
maintain them myself. Motor cars are a consumerist issue,
Ham radio is not. (However, the life-long interest in
technical matters that I have from becoming a Radio Ham
invariably means that I DO understand them in all their
technical aspects.)
There are those to whom the motor car is a technical hobby, and
who will know the innards of their cars very well.
"marc" <ma...@mdeng.co.uk> wrote in message
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> In article <3fca331e$1...@mk-nntp-1.news.uk.worldonline.com>, Ryan Breai
> <M...@privacy.net> writes
> > Ham radio which is a technical pursuit
> >and one in which gentlemanly cordial relations are enjoyed
> >by all.
> With the number of multi-band, multi-mode transceivers that are
Ryan Breai
can provide "on-the-job-training" for is operating along
the lines of CB. It cannot provide training for the technical
activity that is the essence of Ham radio, because that
technical activity is proscribed in the licence.
A listen on the bands today shows M3/CB licensees en masse
to be talking like CBers.
"marc" <ma...@mdeng.co.uk> wrote in message
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> In article <3fca331e$1...@mk-nntp-1.news.uk.worldonline.com>, Ryan Breai
> <M...@privacy.net> writes
> > Ham radio which is a technical pursuit
> >and one in which gentlemanly cordial relations are enjoyed
> >by all.
>
Ryan Breai
satellite communications, DDS, DSP, Software Radio,
250 GHz bands where you have to worry about standing waves
occurring in just one component because of its physical size, Amateur
Radio Astronomy; all exciting technical areas in which to
experiment and advance. (None of these were around in the
so-called "Golden Age" of the 40's, 50's and 60's.)
Things are moving on so rapidly in a large number of technical
areas, that the Radio Ham will never exhaust the possibilities
of technical involvement!
"marc" <ma...@mdeng.co.uk> wrote in message
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> In article <3fca331e$1...@mk-nntp-1.news.uk.worldonline.com>, Ryan Breai
> <M...@privacy.net> writes
> > Ham radio which is a technical pursuit
> >and one in which gentlemanly cordial relations are enjoyed
> >by all.
> >
>
Ryan Breai
you that there is one thing for which you are not suited,
and that is a Ham Radio licence.
I knew where I was going long before I had taken the
RAE and long before I had built up the necessary
technical knowledge through study and experimentation.
"marc" <ma...@mdeng.co.uk> wrote in message
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> In article <3fca331e$1...@mk-nntp-1.news.uk.worldonline.com>, Ryan Breai
> <M...@privacy.net> writes
> > Ham radio which is a technical pursuit
> >and one in which gentlemanly cordial relations are enjoyed
> >by all.
> >
Ryan Breai
imagination, any more than is the footballer, fisherman, CBer
or needleworker.
I am opposed to the M3 licence because it is a CB licence, no
more, no less. However, I will answer any technical query because
I encourage all-comers, without exception to exert themselves
and tackle and pass the RAE. The M3 licensee is no exception to
this and I will help him, but not because he has an M3 licence. It
is irrelevant.
As to being a civil place, I think that you will find that it is the M3
licensees and his political associates in this NG who resort to
uncivil behaviour. The Radio Hams are, to a man, civil and encouraging.
Perhaps the answer to incivility in this NG is to abolish the M3/CB Fools'
Licence?
"marc" <ma...@mdeng.co.uk> wrote in message
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> In article <3fca331e$1...@mk-nntp-1.news.uk.worldonline.com>, Ryan Breai
> <M...@privacy.net> writes
> > Ham radio which is a technical pursuit
> >and one in which gentlemanly cordial relations are enjoyed
> >by all.
> >
>
Ryan Breai
rude gratuitous remarks, seems to be your forte rather than mine, OM.
Your remark below is such a manifestation, perhaps?
"Brian Reay" <brian...@bigfoot.com> wrote in message
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Ryan Breai
you up on your challenges, you run away. This was especially
queer behaviour by you on the matter of my positing for "Big K"
especially when you boast of two degrees, one in electronics,
and the other in mathematics.
WHEN I RESPONDED TO YOUR CHALLENGE YOU RAN
AWAY.
Taking your sneers below, when have I ever been in error
on the dB? I always used it wrt its definition; it was you who
used it to express voltage ratios. If you are, indeed, sneering
in your lectures at a few matters that you do not understand,
then your payback will come in later years when your converts
start to laugh at you. (And perhaps leave you for a _REAL_
radio club, one whose foundation is not based around sour
grapes and all the "negative" (your word) connotations that
such sour grapes entail)
I never suggested that resistors are polarised. In the discussion
I was referring to reading the colour code from the correct end.
Where have I ever tied together RF and nuclear emissions?
"Brian Reay" <brian...@bigfoot.com> wrote in message
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owner
<M...@privacy.net> writes
>Not at all. Ham radio is a technical pursuit, always
>has been, always will be. That is not to say that there
>are not a number of different classes of CBers, in
>particular, the CBer-Masquerading-As-A-Radio-Ham,
>whose mantra to rationalise his position is the one that
>you quote below.
MPSGB
Looking for new members for the Mobile Phone Society of Great Britain,
its aims are to screw up as many people as possible with out of date
rules bureaucracy and red tape. Qualifications are obtained through
irrelevant training and simple courses that qualifies you to alter your
perfectly good out of the box mobile phone, solder bits on it and power
it with modified sources. After completing the course (which includes an
SMS test) you will be technically qualified to look at your mobile phone
and wonder how to make it work better. We want to make the days when the
mobile phone could be bought at any high street retailer a thing of the
past. We want it licensed and the fun taken out of using it. Having a
mobile phone to communicate will be finished. MPSGB will turn the simple
telephone call into a technical pursuit and at the same time prevent
Call Box CB users from masquerading as mobile phone users.
If any CB'er complains the MPSGB will see that they are banned from
having a Mobile Phone. Like target shooting and fox hunting we will
assist in any way we can to help the government take away the
fundamental privileges offered to all.
--
owner
deBaser
>
> Just make up a callsign and go on the air. That's what everybody else
> does.
>
> 73 de G3NYY
>
> --
> Walt Davidson Email: g3nyy @despammed.com
So who does the real G3NYY callsign belong to the Walt :)
deBaser
Andy Cowley
>
>
> Name: g3nyy.jpg
> g3nyy.jpg Type: JPEG Image (image/jpeg)
> Encoding: base64
Wow. Carbon fibre is really strong, isn't it! ;-)
vy 73
Andy, M1EBV
Andy Cowley
>
> "Ryan Breai" <M...@privacy.net> wrote in message
> news:3fc880e6$2...@mk-nntp-1.news.uk.worldonline.com...
> > The FL, or "Fools' Licence" is not regarded as a Ham Radio
> > licence by any self-respecting Radio Ham. If you wish forever
> > to be regarded as a CBer, then go right ahead.
> >
> Still not 'commissioned' your ADSL yet, Anus? What's taking so long?
> (_!_)
He's having trouble getting the yield up on his home made silicon foundry.
Not to mention that nasty chap from the HSE who doesn't think a 'Ham'
licence covers all those toxic chemicals.
vy 73
Andy, M1EBV
Steve Terry
> I only need 10w to have fun experimenting with antennas.
>
> Maybe 100w is what you need, but for me, even if I had a full license,
> I'd still only use 10-15w.
>
>
I'm convinced, honest.
Steve Terry
Steve Terry
> A rush to get on the air? I am surprise to find that it
> is you who describes the licence as though it is a CB
> licence!
>
> Ham Radio licences are for those of a technical bent, and
> for whom getting on the air is a secondary consideration.
>
He's a technical bent ;-)
Steve Terry
Bob D
in the 60s and 40s respectively. I suggest you look at the history of the
Oscar project and the work of Sir Bernard Lovell.
You assertion regarding standing waves at such high frequencies is also
wrong and shows a remarkable lack of knowledge. (Think of light.)
Bob D.
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Geoff
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> Actually, satellite communications and amateur radio astronomy were
> around in the 60s and 40s respectively. I suggest you look at the
> history of the Oscar project and the work of Sir Bernard Lovell.
Actually Radio Astronomy predates Sir Bernard Lovell's interest. The
"first" radio astronomer was Karl Jansky who identified the radio
emissions on 20.5 MHz from the centre of the Milky Way in 1933. Grote Reber
followed up by identifying 160MHz emissions in 1938 by using a home
constructed 30ft dish. I believe that Karl Jansky was a licenced amateur.
> You assertion regarding standing waves at such high frequencies is
> also wrong and shows a remarkable lack of knowledge. (Think of light.)
He (we all know who) is also wrong (what's new!) in saying that 250GHz
bands were not around in the 1950's and '60's. Much work was done at
frequencies as high as 300GHz back then. OK semiconductor sources did not
exist, but certainly there were electronic steam whistles operating at such
frequencies and also suitable detectors and mixers.
There were no specified amateur bands up there back then, but there was
nobody who could check your frequency outside TRE and similar
establishments either!
Geoff
Ryan Breai
of a half wavelength at those frequencies and compare it
to the size of microwave components available for other bands
Your implied contention shows a remarkable lack of knowledge.
(Think of light.)
I think that you need to check your facts - Bernard Lovell, although
holding a Ham Licence, was acting in the capacity of a researcher
at Manchester University when doing the groundwork that led
to the eyesore that is on Jodrell Bank.
I suggest that you need to check your facts, and also your
capability to construe a grammatical structure. You show
a remarkable lack of knowledge. The temporal phrase I
used was, "40's, 50's and 60's" and not, "40's, 50's or 60's".
" Bob D" <bo...@bobd.com> wrote in message
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> Actually, satellite communications and amateur radio astronomy were around
> in the 60s and 40s respectively. I suggest you look at the history of the
> Oscar project and the work of Sir Bernard Lovell.
> You assertion regarding standing waves at such high frequencies is also
> wrong and shows a remarkable lack of knowledge. (Think of light.)
Ryan Breai
that you make a fool of yourself. I do not need to try to
make you look foolish; you do it so well yourself.
There was no 250 GHz Ham Allocation in the 40's, 50's
and 60's. That is what I said, and I was right in that assertion.
"Geoff" <some...@nospam.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
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g3...@nospamblueyonder.co.uk
wrote:
>I think that you need to check your facts - Bernard Lovell, although
>holding a Ham Licence, was acting in the capacity of a researcher
>at Manchester University when doing the groundwork that led
>to the eyesore that is on Jodrell Bank.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
And what would you suggest they used instead for space reserach, a
G5RV ? :-)?
g3...@nospamblueyonder.co.uk
wrote:
>You are so desperate to jump in with childish remarks
>that you make a fool of yourself. I do not need to try to
>make you look foolish; you do it so well yourself.
>
>There was no 250 GHz Ham Allocation in the 40's, 50's
>and 60's. That is what I said, and I was right in that assertion.
Serious question... have you ever operated on a frequency lower or
higher than 27MHz?
Ryan Breai
Not quite in keeping with the picture of a silver-haired
OM that was in BadCon recently, eh?
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class_a_zpk_12wpm_unlike_2800
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>
>
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hmmmmm
i get told off for using 100% lower case
i get told off for using 100% upper case
i get told off for believing that laziness
has broken out big-time on amateur radio.
this bloke posts a binary and gets away with it!!!
Tim
"beanbag" <be...@nospam.com> wrote in message
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>
>
> Shame we have idiots who are trying to slag off those trying to get in to
> the hobby. Without the newblood, the hobby would die and the old farts
who
> dont like it would have nothing to moan about or be able to flame the
> newcomers at all.
>
> Just ignore those idiots - they are the ones that are killing the hobby by
> making the poisonous comments and scaring away people from the hobby.
>
> "class_a_zpk_12wpm"
Couldn't agree more after a lot of name calling from the SO CALLED REAL
AMATEURS in this newsgroup I was contacted by some helpful and supportive
people and have taken my M3 I should be sitting my IL in Feb and hopefully
my Full as well. Since getting onto the bands I have had a lot of help from
the users of my local 70cm repeater and the local ARS. One local G4 has even
been kind enough to lend me a converted PMR rig set-up to meet my
requirements so that I can operate on 2mtr and therefore enter the local
Wednesday and Sunday nets. so ignore the Waffle on this news group talk to
some REAL LIVE AMATEURS face to face and join in.
73
Tim M3EYP
Steve Terry
news:3fd37...@mk-nntp-2.news.uk.tiscali.com...<snip>
> One local G4 has even
> been kind enough to lend me a converted PMR rig set-up to meet my
> requirements so that I can operate on 2mtr and therefore enter the local
> Wednesday and Sunday nets. so ignore the Waffle on this news group talk to
> some REAL LIVE AMATEURS face to face and join in.
> 73
> Tim M3EYP
>
Steve Terry
Tim
"Ryan Breai" <M...@privacy.net> wrote in message
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> WRONG! All are now required, by the stupid agency of
> some who should have known better, to take the
> Fools' Licence exam, that is true. But once having taken that
> exam, you go straight on to the next exam. There is no
> reason that you need to take out a CBers licence at that stage, for that
> is what the M3 is.
>
> There is no reason why some should take offence at my opinion
> that a CBer's licence, such as the M3, has nothing whatsoever
> to do with Ham Radio. Indeed, if there are those at a novice
> stage who wish to be regarded as the fellows of Radio hams, then
> I say to them that they should make the effort to tackle and then
> pass the RAE. I cannot see why anyone should take offence or
> be offended because of my exhortation to them to improve
> themselves.
>
>
> "marc" <ma...@mdeng.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:Vq2hVMs9udy$Ew...@mdeng.demon.co.uk...
> > As the opportunity to take the last RAE has now passed, the only way to
> > gain the full licence is via the M3 route. From now on all amateurs will
> > hold an M3 licence at some stage. Quite a large number of people to
> > offend.
>
>
>
Because that (although it may work) is called negative encouragement. by
fielding the idea that someone is in some way 'worth less' or other wise
impaired just because they do not conform to your idea of what makes a radio
amateur. Instead if you wish to help encourage people up to the standard of
a Full license then perhaps you should say "Congratulations on your M3. Now
how can I help you gain your intermediate." or "Well done on passing your
intermediate lets see if we can help you to study for your Full license"
surly this would have the desired effect (it has on me by the large number
of local amateurs helping me with my studies and questions) and would also
cut out the need for the endless and pointless arguments. the M3 is here to
stay along with its counterparts there is nothing you can do about that now
the decision has been made the process started (and completed) so now
perhaps its time to stop the bickering and start the encouragement or you
might find yourself being bitter twisted and hated.
73
Tim M3EYP
P.S. Gareth might be up your way soon (my parents live not far from you
Chippenham) should I give you a call or would that damage your street cred
(talking to an M3 that is). 73 one an all
class_a_zpk_12wpm_unlike_2800
>Couldn't agree more after a lot of name calling from the SO CALLED REAL
>AMATEURS in this newsgroup I was contacted by some helpful and supportive
>people and have taken my M3 I should be sitting my IL in Feb and hopefully
>my Full as well. Since getting onto the bands I have had a lot of help from
said an M3....
now that youre talking...tell me ol' boy.
were you at any stage during your ''training'' to be an m3, told about
the RAE and were you at any stage encouraged to go for the RAE
either last May 2003 or recently Last December 2003 ?
>the users of my local 70cm repeater and the local ARS. One local G4 has even
>been kind enough to lend me a converted PMR rig set-up to meet my
========================
errrrmmmm,
is there something in the regs about m3's and converted pmr gear ?
class_a_zpk_12wpm_unlike_2800
>the users of my local 70cm repeater and the local ARS. One local G4 has even
>been kind enough to lend me a converted PMR rig set-up to meet my
>requirements so that I can operate on 2mtr and therefore enter the local
>Tim M3EYP
m3osn please note.
Chris Kirby
>On Sun, 7 Dec 2003 19:26:26 -0000, "Tim" <tim...@tesco.net> wrote:
>
>> One local G4 has even
>>been kind enough to lend me a converted PMR rig set-up to meet my
>>requirements so that I can operate on 2mtr and therefore enter the local
>>Wednesday and Sunday nets.
>
>Illegal for an M3 to use. Both you and he should know better.
>
>It's people like you that get M3's a bad name.
>
>73 de G3NYY
It is NOT illegal for Foundation licensees to use PMR equipment.
QUOTE the clause on apparatus from BR68:-
"The Licensee shall only use transmitting equipment conforming to EC
standards or commercially available kits transmitting inside amateur
bands only. "
As the equipment is ex-PMR, it will easily conform to EC standards -
even more so since the conversion appears to have been done by a G4.
73,
Chris
Andy Cowley
> >been kind enough to lend me a converted PMR rig set-up to meet my
> >requirements so that I can operate on 2mtr and therefore enter the local
> >Wednesday and Sunday nets.
>
>
> It's people like you that get M3's a bad name.
>
>
vy 73
Andy, M1EBV
Andy Cowley
Wrong. They may not be modified. If they are then M3s may not use
them even if Marconi himself did the modifications.
Mind you, if the M3 doesn't brag about his rig then the chances of
the RA doing anything are very close to zero.
vy 73
Andy, M3ABC
Airy R. Bean
"class_a_zpk_12wpm_unlike_2800"
<gzfw_pkearn_zfws@rae_gone__crock_takes_over.eircom.ru.br.net> wrote in
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Not entirely. We all raised our fingers in binary.
Airy R. Bean
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Geoff
news:ae79tv4dv3ia0niep...@4ax.com:
> On Mon, 08 Dec 2003 13:03:37 +0000, Chris Kirby <g4...@yahoo.com>
> wrote:
>
>>QUOTE the clause on apparatus from BR68:-
>>
>>"The Licensee shall only use transmitting equipment conforming to EC
>>standards or commercially available kits transmitting inside amateur
>>bands only. "
>>
>>As the equipment is ex-PMR, it will easily conform to EC standards -
>>even more so since the conversion appears to have been done by a G4.
>
> After conversion by the G4, it no longer conforms to EC standards.
If the radio is designed to cover the band 144-146MHz (or whatever amateur
band is appropriate), as many PMR radios are, then there is no issue. If
not, then Walt is correct.
For the pedantic, a "T band" Pye/Phillips mobile is designed to meet a
certain MPT spec (I cannot remember which). It will meet this spec. over a
range of frequencies which includes the 70 cm amateur band. In that case it
meets the criteria "As the equipment is ex-PMR, it will easily conform to
EC standards".
Geoff
Steve Terry
news:3FD48F44...@uwe.ac.uk...
> Chris Kirby wrote:
> > Walt Davidson <g3...@despammed.com> wrote:
> > >On Sun, 7 Dec 2003 19:26:26 -0000, "Tim" <tim...@tesco.net> wrote:
> Mind you, if the M3 doesn't brag about his rig then the chances of
> the RA doing anything are very close to zero.
> vy 73
> Andy, M3ABC
>
Steve Terry
Chris Kirby
>Wrong. They may not be modified. If they are then M3s may not use
>them even if Marconi himself did the modifications.
>
Where have I said the equipment was modified? ... the word used was
converted ... with modern rigs this can be as simple as connecting it
to a computer and reprogramming the frequencies.
... and while we're at it, perhaps you, Walt or even the Anus and his
£350 diy law book will say with which European standards the equipment
has to conform with. Because, if BR68 does not specify which standards
it should comply with, then how can anyone know if it meets them or
not? Perhaps this omission is merely a mis-print, and the RSGB should
ask Ofcom to clarify, like they did with the "erroneous" 26dB top band
power limit. :-)
Chris
class_a_zpk_12wpm_unlike_2800
wrote:
>Mind you, if the M3 doesn't brag about his rig then the chances of
>the RA doing anything are very close to zero.
but on this occasion.........