the comments section is hilarious.
EA1/G1LVN wrote:
> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/10/01/rsgb_ofcom/
>
> the comments section is hilarious.
"Watch out Rubber Duck, there's a smokey on your tail..."
"Rather a HAM fisted approach by the RSGB..."
>"The Radio Society of Great Britain represents around a third of the
>UK's 65,000 or so licensed amateurs". Tee hee!
Thanks for pointing that out - no other society comes even close to
representing that many.
--
Chris
>"The Radio Society of Great Britain represents around a third of the
>UK's 65,000 or so licensed amateurs". Tee hee!
Crikey!
A true statement about the representation of the RSGB.
How did that get past the censor?
--
from
Aero Spike
Not a member of the RSGB for 50 years 1959 - 2009
Don't worry, the age of criminal responsibility will be legislated
downwards until you don't need to clarify your statement.
--
Brian
The UK doesn't have 65000 radio amateurs. It does, however, have many
thousands of pretend amateurs like M3s,M6s and loads of brain-dead CBers
who took advantage of the dumbing-down of requirements. They may have a
licence but they will never be radio amateurs.
--
Nedlar
Yawn, Yawn, Yawn.
spot on ma man by the way an at ...minted.......
I hold a G1 callsign. I was quite happy with the fact that to take out what
was then the A licence I needed to learn Morse, and was doing so. I will
admit that had I passed the 12 wpm I probably wouldn't have used the code
much - as is the case for most former A licencees.
However, along came someone who said my license now covers HF, and I'm happy
with that as well. I certainly wasn't going to turn it down! One only has to
listen on the bands to some of the G3s and G4s - or indeed read some of the
purile messages posted here - to know that having passed the 12 wpm Morse
test does not automatically make someone a better amateur, a better
operator, or a better person.
Dave S.
If you've been licensed since G1 the chances are you can send and
receive better morse than your average senile G3 or CB DXer wanna be
G4 ;-)
Just a question
In the days of yesteryear when the morse test was a requirement
I'm told that following the EARLY days the compulsory morse test you had to spend
the first twelve month on the key
Proving that you had sufficient contacts before you could progress on to using
phone
Then THEY made things easier , only twelve month before you were allowed on the
bands using phone , no need to prove your CW contacts
So I'm told a lot of lazy arsed class "a's" sat on their hand for twelve months
This of course can not be true , there's no such thing as a lazy arsed class "A"
You've only got to ask an old timer like Wlat if there's any truth , I'm sure
he'll know
DieSea
> listen on the bands to some of the G3s and G4s - or indeed read some of
> the purile messages posted here - to know that having passed the 12 wpm
> Morse test does not automatically make someone a better amateur, a better
> operator, or a better person.
>
> Dave S.
>
but it kept a whole load of scumbags on 11m where they belong........
>In the days of yesteryear when the morse test was a requirement
>
>I'm told that following the EARLY days the compulsory morse test you had to spend
>the first twelve month on the key
>
>Proving that you had sufficient contacts before you could progress on to using
>phone
>
>Then THEY made things easier , only twelve month before you were allowed on the
>bands using phone , no need to prove your CW contacts
>
>So I'm told a lot of lazy arsed class "a's" sat on their hand for twelve months
>
>This of course can not be true , there's no such thing as a lazy arsed class "A"
>
>You've only got to ask an old timer like Wlat if there's any truth , I'm sure
>he'll know
Somewhere around 50 years ago I recall a well-known Amateur with a
call in the G3AA* series saying that he was so keen to get on the air
he did so without having a licence. When it finally turned up in the
post, the callsign he was allocated was the one he'd already been
using. No lazy-arse there!
>Thanks for pointing that out - no other society comes even close to
>representing that many.
WRONG !
If that is the case, then how will radio amateuring continue? the M3s
and M6s that you so disparage against are simply following the rules of
the land. Why are you so critical of people simply following the
accepted rules?
And up pops another brain-dead CBer who couldn't hack it. Very sad...
Keep polishing the bonce Tox, its the only thing you're good at.
--
Nedlar
> the M3s and M6s that you so disparage against are simply following the
> rules of the land. Why are you so critical of people simply following the
> accepted rules?
>
That is what the German army said under Hitler .......
spot on ..........
Steve Terry
If you are suggesting that operators ought to just transmit without a
license, then that is a ridiculous argument which you should be ashamed
of. If most never upgrade, is that perhaps that many may be happy at low
power? The 2EO > M0 route is there for the so-called "real" amateur
radios already. You've got a pretty jaundiced view of the world.
That tired old cliche is almost perfectly irrelevant in this case.
Do you have a problem with reading?
--
Nedlar
only with what you have written.
Steve Terry is only jealous because he can't join in!
Yes that's true. You would never understand what a real radio amateur
has written.
--
Nedlar
We are talking G3A's here. Everyone was at it then. The US CB band has
it's roots in the popularity of yapping away on the "liberated"19
sets (tank band) by de-mobbed signallers.
Quite; I suppose that your "real" shack has padded walls?
Interesting; thanks for the anecdote. The ham that got me into amateur
radio was a formerly in R Signals.
The only point I am trying to make is that presently the rules are that
newcomers have to become either an M3 or M6 as first real legitimate
step. Therefore it is wrong for people to denigrate M3/M6 callsigns on
that basis alone.
>The only point I am trying to make is that presently the rules are that
>newcomers have to become either an M3 or M6 as first real legitimate
>step. Therefore it is wrong for people to denigrate M3/M6 callsigns on
>that basis alone.
No. There is no requirement for anyone to actually become an M3/M6 (or
even a 2E). You only have to pa$$ the exam$. Pa$$ the F�, I� and the
'Advanced' exam$, and you can get a Full Licence.
--
Ian
> The only point I am trying to make is that presently the rules are that
> newcomers have to become either an M3 or M6 as first real legitimate step.
> Therefore it is wrong for people to denigrate M3/M6 callsigns on that basis
> alone.
No one denigrates the M3 or M6 calls
What they do DENIGRATE is those that
1) Don't progress after many years
2) Insist on running QRO 100 Watts instead of 10 watts
My beef is some locals around here that seem to think its clever to "Inherit a so
called friends call" and then pretend they've had "That call" for years
So the answer is to PROGRESS , use the M6 as it is now as a stepping stone then
move onwards and upwards in months rather than years
It's certain you'll be held in higher esteem than those that sit on their hand for
a decade and do nowt
Me , if I'd been able to crack morse I'd had a licence in the 1950's not the late
1970's
Even George "ZQS" threw the towel in after 3 or more years , Ivy's tea was good
tho '
;-))
DieSea
How do you get a 19 set on to 27MHz?
Steve Terry
>We are talking G3A's here. Everyone was at it then. The US CB band has
>it's roots in the popularity of yapping away on the "liberated"19
>sets (tank band) by de-mobbed signallers.
G3s are / were UK callsigns.
The WS19 was a British set, although some were built in Canada (inc some
with Russian dials). I doubt many got to the US until much later.
US CB was, surprisingly, in the US.
WS19 doesn't cover 27MHz as I recall.
So, basically, your idea seems "far fetched".
OTOH, it was quite common for Army Cadets to have 19 sets, even into the
1970s. Many amateurs were exposed to radio via the Cadets and some even got
permission to have 19 sets at home and use them for Cadet nets etc. Some
Cadet units were very "radio centred", sadly the one near me wasn't. They
had several tatty 19sets, none of which worked that well. I took my 19 set
in (it was "brand new") and I'm pretty sure it was the first time in years
they had a working set. You try pushing a bike with a 19 set strapped to the
cross bar- not exactly /M the easy way.
--
73
Brian G8OSN/W8OSN
www.g8osn.net
He probably meant 6.6MHz - you know, low HF for Amateurs with no morse
test...
You think the morse was removed to get CBers off 11m? No - it was to get
them off 45m.
>The only point I am trying to make is that presently the rules are that
>newcomers have to become either an M3 or M6 as first real legitimate
>step.
WRONG!
100% WRONG.
THERE IS NO REQUIREMENT TO OBTAIN AN M3 OR M6 LICENCE ON THE
''PASSING'' OF THE F/L ''EXAMINATION'' AND FARCE MORSE ASSESSMENT.
ONE CAN SIMPLY CONTINUE TO DO THE PRACTCALS (!!) AND SIT THE I/L EXAM.
ONE CAN THEN SIT THE ADVANCED EXAM.
ONE THEN APPLIES FOR AND MOST LIKELY OBTAINS A FULL LICENCE.
IN THIS WAY ONE AVOIDS BECOMING A USEFUL STATISTIC FOR THE RSGB.
IT CLEARLY SHOWS THE AMOUNT IS NON-UNDERSTANDING OF THE WHOLE
RE-JIGGED FARCE WHEN SOMEONE IMPLIES THAT ONE HAS TO BECOME AN M3/M6.
Just like what the Bs of the past didn't do .......
>Which is exactly what I said yesterday. Don't you bother to read what
>has already been posted?!
I suggest you consider that there is a 4th dimension to the universe.
You could do what a certain EI7 did and avoid doing any exams. Money can
buy you a licence. As Paul.
you remain challenged to identify yourself.
the longer you leave it the worse it will be.
Empty threats frighten no one.
when you are hiding .......
You remain challenged to identify yourself.
You have no evidence to prove any of your outrageous claims.
What do you care? You're in another country...
>What do you care? You're in another country...
do you believe that rf stops at holyhead ?
do you believe that rf stops at dover ?
do you believe that rf stops at hull ?
do you believe that rf stops at stranraer ?
do you believe that rf stops at st david's head ?
em...can I ask the audience ?
>What do you care? You're in another country...
So are you. Now be a good boy and keep your head well down behind the
wall.
Nick.
Didn't you learn that when you studied for your exam? But you didn't,
did you?
Are you going the threaten me again?
How another country conducts it's amateur radio licence exams is no
concern of yours.
In Bulgaria, they have a three tier system - and you MUST operate at
your passed level for a certain length of time before you can take the
next exam.
You going to go and moan to them? No, didn't think so.
Now be quiet, whoever you are.
For radio licencing, and many other purposes, the UK is one country,
with one set of rules.
>How another country conducts it's amateur radio licence exams is no
>concern of yours.
>
>In Bulgaria, they have a three tier system - and you MUST operate at
>your passed level for a certain length of time before you can take the
>next exam.
We aren't in Bulgaria old son... Has nobody told you?
To quote somebody else... How Bulgaria conducts its amateur radio
licence exams, is no concern of yours.
Nick
With different national callsign prefixes. You're in another
country... Live with it.
Nick.
Actually, as I am eligble to sit the Bulgarian amateur radio exams if I
wish, it is.
Still sod all to do with EI! You got your independence so stop sticking
your nose in UK affairs. You'd moan your head off if the reverse happened!
Stop getting Tetchy With Yeti Len
You know he's doing his best
DieSea
> "EA1/G1LVN" <gareth...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>news:a6972204-866c-4505...@c3g2000yqd.googlegroups.com...
>
>>We are talking G3A's here. Everyone was at it then. The US CB band has
>>it's roots in the popularity of yapping away on the "liberated"19
>>sets (tank band) by de-mobbed signallers.
>
>G3s are / were UK callsigns.
>
>The WS19 was a British set, although some were built in Canada (inc some
>with Russian dials). I doubt many got to the US until much later.
Britain didn't have the industrial capacity to produce the WS19, so it
gave the contract to Northern Telecom of Canada. In order to meet the
demand, they had to sub out the work to several US firms: Zenith, RCA
and Philco. About 2 million were made.
--
from
Aero Spike
Not a member of the RSGB for 50 years 1959 - 2009
At least Ireland isn't run by a load of 'have-it-away day' Scots, the
best political brains your 3rd-world country has to offer - which
doesn't say much, considering the standard of those they left behind -
en route to whatever prison they should rightly end up in, this side
of the wall.
Nick.
Uh-huh... And you know for a fact that Paul isn't eligible to sit the
UK amateur radio exams, if he wants to. Do you?
Nick.
There's an interesting article here:
http://www.k9ya.org/w9cbt/images/K9YA%20Telegraph%20WS19.pdf
suggesting some where supplied and used by the Americans.
Nick.
And won't soon be run by a load of Dell Boy English that would sell off
and privatise the Ar*sehole if the could do it through their teeth.
Shirley
What have you got against selling things?
Trade is trade. Shirley.
Ones' CAPS LOCK key appears to be stuck.
--
;-)
.
73 de Frank Turner-Smith G3VKI - mine's a pint.
.
http://turner-smith.co.uk
I know its an old Tory trick but I object to being sold something I
already own!
Cor! I bet he's scared now.
>Ones' CAPS LOCK key appears to be stuck.
But remember... If Paul was talking to an FL.
You have to shout to get through to them.
Nick.
>> What have you got against selling things?
>> Trade is trade. Shirley.
>>
>
>I know its an old Tory trick but I object to being sold something I
>already own!
A fussy type, are you?
Yes, I'm sure I remember seeing 19 sets and ancilliaries that had the
familiar orange/red Signal Corps inspector's stamps on them,
suggesting they'd been 'taken on' by the US forces.
tee hee !!!! ........
think mine had Russian lettering ? ...........
No, I don't actually. Do he have a residential address in the UK?
if so, why's he hiding in paddyland? :P
ah, maybe a devetnadaset set then?
You don't need one to have a UK licence. A mailing address initially yes, a
residential one no.
You clearly missed the thread some months back when Paul was spouting about
addresses needed to get an EI licence. He went all quiet when he was shown
to be wrong. He does that a lot. Tells us what he thinks Comreg's rules are
and then blusters on when the truth is put to him.
Some countries do require some evidence of (at least temporary) residence
before they will issue a local licence (via a HAREC, their local exam, or
some other agreement). The UK don't, nor does the US or EI land.
One thing to watch if you plan to go don't the "reciprocal" route (not HAREC
route) is that some countries will only allow a reciprocal licence (or even
operating) on the basis of your country of citizenship. For example, if you
(as a UK citizen) hold US General (recognised by CEPT as at Intermediate
level), you could not use the latter in the CEPT countries which would
accept it under CEPT for Intermediate operating.
Likewise, a UK Full Reciprocal Licence may not be accepted for operating
under CEPT or HAREC rules.
If you've access to Bulgarian sample exams or related material, I'd be
interest in seeing it, please. Language isn't an issue, I know some who will
translate it for me.
--
73
Brian G8OSN/W8OSN
www.g8osn.net
I'll ask for that next time I speak to some of the Bulgarian guys.
I've spoke to the previously about licencing over there - I can take the
Bulgarian exam (which, I think, is only available in Bulgarian!) as I do
have a residential address there.
once I have a full licence, I can use it over there no problem - but I
must keep a log (unlike here now, where it's not a requirement).
The BFRA (LZ's equivalent of the RSGB) reckon that they will issue a
reciprocal licence for an FL - but the licence conditions must be given
to them in Bulgarian.
>
> The BFRA (LZ's equivalent of the RSGB) reckon that they will issue a
> reciprocal licence for an FL - but the licence conditions must be given
> to them in Bulgarian.
Shush, some will suggest we do the same in the UK!
what bit?
Are the exams here available in other langauges?
If so, why?
Seems odd, the T&Cs of your "home" licence are not really relevant to them,
especially as they will accept a UK Full, which has the same licence
conditions document (not in Bulgarian either).
As regards accepting the FL, that is up to them. The FL isn't covered by the
CEPT arrangements but that doesn't mean countries can't accept it if they
wish to. I think the secret is finding the correct person to ask in the
local licensing authority, which may well require a discussion in the
relevant language. I know of several cases where permission or a local
licence was issued on the basis of an FL or IL.
Only available in other languages i.e. Bulgarian!
Da, mnogo dobre.
That's easy for you to say! :-)
Steve Terry
Steve Terry
Please don't shout!
>> Are the exams here available in other langauges?
>
>No.
Not even Polish... Yet. :-)
Nick.
>The BFRA (LZ's equivalent of the RSGB) reckon that they will issue a
>reciprocal licence for an FL - but the licence conditions must be given
>to them in Bulgarian.
Silly Bulgars.
>No, I don't actually. Do he have a residential address in the UK?
>
>if so, why's he hiding in paddyland? :P
So it's fair to say then, that your previous comment telling Paul -
"How another country conducts it's amateur radio licence exams is no
concern of yours."
Was pointless and probably only made to be argumentative.
Your more recent comment:
"No, I don't actually. Do he have a residential address in the UK?"
Demonstrates you don't know what you are talking about - as Brian has
just shown.
Your asking - "Why's he hiding in paddyland?"
Is again just argumentative, since what he may or may not doing in his
country is sod-all to do with you.
Nick
"That's the way to do it!"
(� Mr Punch.)
Actually, Bulgars are not Bulgarians.
I don't take issue with the way Bulgaria make folk sit their amateur
exams, regardless of whether I can or cannot apply for a licence there.
I don't take issue with the way the Irish Republic does it either.
So Paul shouldn't be bitching about the way the UK does it.
DILLIGAD?