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abelard
May 16, 2012, 5:08:59 PM5/16/12
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as i have several times said, cameron knows just what he doing
relative to the eu...and it's ghastly bastard offspring, the euro.
just wait and make encouraging noises off....
even the milipede is making desperate flapping noises about eu
referendums as he once more tries to jump onto a passing
bandwagon
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-18084700
Prime Minister David Cameron also spoke of the financial storm clouds
across Europe, warning that eurozone leaders must act swiftly to solve
its debt crisis or face the consequences of a potential break up.
He said during Prime Minister's Questions in the House of Commons:
"The eurozone has to make a choice. If the eurozone wants to continue
as it is, then it has got to build a proper firewall, it has got to
take steps to secure the weakest members of the eurozone, or it's
going to have to work out it has to go in a different direction,
"It either has to make up or it is looking at a potential break up.
That is the choice they have to make, and it is a choice they cannot
long put off."
regards
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Redman
May 16, 2012, 5:25:19 PM5/16/12
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"abelard" <abel...@abelard.org> wrote in message
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>
> as i have several times said, cameron knows just what he doing
> relative to the eu...and it's ghastly bastard offspring, the euro.
Would that be the same Camoron that told us all last Oct that it was in
> as i have several times said, cameron knows just what he doing
> relative to the eu...and it's ghastly bastard offspring, the euro.
Britains national interests to be in the EU, or was he like all
socialists.......lying? Oh I also see you're still posting links from the
BBC, hypocrisy is lost on you Baldrick, I hope I never read a post of yours
slagging off any poster from now on that has links to the BBC
Redman
abelard
May 16, 2012, 5:34:58 PM5/16/12
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On Wed, 16 May 2012 22:25:19 +0100, "dedfromtheneckupman"
<dedfromthen...@btinternet.com> wrote:
>
>"abelard" <abel...@abelard.org> wrote in message
>news:fk58r7dvo6hiot7db...@4ax.com...
>>
>> as i have several times said, cameron knows just what he doing
>> relative to the eu...and it's ghastly bastard offspring, the euro.
>
>Would that be the same Camoron that told us all last Oct that it was in
>Britains national interests to be in the EU,
you should try to get your 'mind' around more than one variable
<dedfromthen...@btinternet.com> wrote:
>
>"abelard" <abel...@abelard.org> wrote in message
>news:fk58r7dvo6hiot7db...@4ax.com...
>>
>> as i have several times said, cameron knows just what he doing
>> relative to the eu...and it's ghastly bastard offspring, the euro.
>
>Would that be the same Camoron that told us all last Oct that it was in
>Britains national interests to be in the EU,
at a time
>or was he like all
>socialists.......lying? Oh I also see you're still posting links from the
>BBC, hypocrisy is lost on you Baldrick, I hope I never read a post of yours
>slagging off any poster from now on that has links to the BBC
>
i believe the bbc when it tells me the date..i'm naive that way
Redman
May 16, 2012, 5:36:56 PM5/16/12
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Redman
> On Wed, 16 May 2012 22:25:19 +0100, "dedfromtheneckupman"
> <dedfromthen...@btinternet.com> wrote:
>
>>
>>"abelard" <abel...@abelard.org> wrote in message
>>news:fk58r7dvo6hiot7db...@4ax.com...
>>>
>>> as i have several times said, cameron knows just what he doing
>>> relative to the eu...and it's ghastly bastard offspring, the euro.
>>
>>Would that be the same Camoron that told us all last Oct that it was in
>>Britains national interests to be in the EU,
>
> you should try to get your 'mind' around more than one variable
> at a time
>
>>or was he like all
>>socialists.......lying? Oh I also see you're still posting links from the
>>BBC, hypocrisy is lost on you Baldrick, I hope I never read a post of
>>yours
>>slagging off any poster from now on that has links to the BBC
>>
>>dedfromtheneckupman
>
> i believe the bbc when it tells me the date..i'm naive that way
No what you mean is when it suits your agenda
> <dedfromthen...@btinternet.com> wrote:
>
>>
>>"abelard" <abel...@abelard.org> wrote in message
>>news:fk58r7dvo6hiot7db...@4ax.com...
>>>
>>> as i have several times said, cameron knows just what he doing
>>> relative to the eu...and it's ghastly bastard offspring, the euro.
>>
>>Would that be the same Camoron that told us all last Oct that it was in
>>Britains national interests to be in the EU,
>
> you should try to get your 'mind' around more than one variable
> at a time
>
>>or was he like all
>>socialists.......lying? Oh I also see you're still posting links from the
>>BBC, hypocrisy is lost on you Baldrick, I hope I never read a post of
>>yours
>>slagging off any poster from now on that has links to the BBC
>>
>>dedfromtheneckupman
>
> i believe the bbc when it tells me the date..i'm naive that way
Redman
Mel Rowing
May 16, 2012, 5:37:53 PM5/16/12
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On May 16, 10:08 pm, abelard <abela...@abelard.org> wrote:
> as i have several times said, cameron knows just what he doing
> relative to the eu...and it's ghastly bastard offspring, the euro.
Then perhaps its time he let the rest of us into the secret!
> as i have several times said, cameron knows just what he doing
> relative to the eu...and it's ghastly bastard offspring, the euro.
abelard
May 16, 2012, 5:50:37 PM5/16/12
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On Wed, 16 May 2012 22:36:56 +0100, "dedfromtheneckupman"
rong as usual dedfromtheneckupman....it means that i
can select between facts....and propaganda...
the bbc and wikipedia etc retails both indiscriminately
if these outlets tell me that marilyn is the name of
a well known thespian...i will take them on trust...
if milipede or a 'reporter' is on, i will be more inclined to
mitigate my boredom by counting the lies
i doubt they fake the pictures of cameron those words...
although i am well aware of how editors falsify 'reports'
by tape cutting and splicing
<dedfromthen...@btinternet.com> wrote:
>
>"abelard" <abel...@abelard.org> wrote in message
>news:i878r7tu2mpqhjcj5...@4ax.com...
>> On Wed, 16 May 2012 22:25:19 +0100, "dedfromtheneckupman"
>> <dedfromthen...@btinternet.com> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>"abelard" <abel...@abelard.org> wrote in message
>>>news:fk58r7dvo6hiot7db...@4ax.com...
>>>>
>>>> as i have several times said, cameron knows just what he doing
>>>> relative to the eu...and it's ghastly bastard offspring, the euro.
>>>
>>>Would that be the same Camoron that told us all last Oct that it was in
>>>Britains national interests to be in the EU,
>>
>> you should try to get your 'mind' around more than one variable
>> at a time
>>
>>>or was he like all
>>>socialists.......lying? Oh I also see you're still posting links from the
>>>BBC, hypocrisy is lost on you Baldrick, I hope I never read a post of
>>>yours
>>>slagging off any poster from now on that has links to the BBC
>>>
>>>dedfromtheneckupman
>>
>> i believe the bbc when it tells me the date..i'm naive that way
>
>No what you mean is when it suits your agenda
>
>dedfromtheneckupman
>
>"abelard" <abel...@abelard.org> wrote in message
>news:i878r7tu2mpqhjcj5...@4ax.com...
>> On Wed, 16 May 2012 22:25:19 +0100, "dedfromtheneckupman"
>> <dedfromthen...@btinternet.com> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>"abelard" <abel...@abelard.org> wrote in message
>>>news:fk58r7dvo6hiot7db...@4ax.com...
>>>>
>>>> as i have several times said, cameron knows just what he doing
>>>> relative to the eu...and it's ghastly bastard offspring, the euro.
>>>
>>>Would that be the same Camoron that told us all last Oct that it was in
>>>Britains national interests to be in the EU,
>>
>> you should try to get your 'mind' around more than one variable
>> at a time
>>
>>>or was he like all
>>>socialists.......lying? Oh I also see you're still posting links from the
>>>BBC, hypocrisy is lost on you Baldrick, I hope I never read a post of
>>>yours
>>>slagging off any poster from now on that has links to the BBC
>>>
>>>dedfromtheneckupman
>>
>> i believe the bbc when it tells me the date..i'm naive that way
>
>No what you mean is when it suits your agenda
>
rong as usual dedfromtheneckupman....it means that i
can select between facts....and propaganda...
the bbc and wikipedia etc retails both indiscriminately
if these outlets tell me that marilyn is the name of
a well known thespian...i will take them on trust...
if milipede or a 'reporter' is on, i will be more inclined to
mitigate my boredom by counting the lies
i doubt they fake the pictures of cameron those words...
although i am well aware of how editors falsify 'reports'
by tape cutting and splicing
abelard
May 16, 2012, 5:52:41 PM5/16/12
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and think...or who listen to the likes of milipede while believing
him to be an intelligent or reliable source
Andy Wainwright
May 16, 2012, 5:55:18 PM5/16/12
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On 16/05/2012 22:08, abelard wrote:
>
> as i have several times said, cameron knows just what he doing
> relative to the eu...and it's ghastly bastard offspring, the euro.
>
> just wait and make encouraging noises off....
>
> even the milipede is making desperate flapping noises about eu
> referendums as he once more tries to jump onto a passing
> bandwagon
>
>
> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-18084700
> Prime Minister David Cameron also spoke of the financial storm clouds
> across Europe, warning that eurozone leaders must act swiftly to solve
> its debt crisis or face the consequences of a potential break up.
>
> He said during Prime Minister's Questions in the House of Commons:
> "The eurozone has to make a choice. If the eurozone wants to continue
> as it is, then it has got to build a proper firewall, it has got to
> take steps to secure the weakest members of the eurozone, or it's
> going to have to work out it has to go in a different direction,
>
> "It either has to make up or it is looking at a potential break up.
> That is the choice they have to make, and it is a choice they cannot
> long put off."
>
>
> regards
>
I see the situation as being very similar to that in the US prior to the
>
> as i have several times said, cameron knows just what he doing
> relative to the eu...and it's ghastly bastard offspring, the euro.
>
> just wait and make encouraging noises off....
>
> even the milipede is making desperate flapping noises about eu
> referendums as he once more tries to jump onto a passing
> bandwagon
>
>
> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-18084700
> Prime Minister David Cameron also spoke of the financial storm clouds
> across Europe, warning that eurozone leaders must act swiftly to solve
> its debt crisis or face the consequences of a potential break up.
>
> He said during Prime Minister's Questions in the House of Commons:
> "The eurozone has to make a choice. If the eurozone wants to continue
> as it is, then it has got to build a proper firewall, it has got to
> take steps to secure the weakest members of the eurozone, or it's
> going to have to work out it has to go in a different direction,
>
> "It either has to make up or it is looking at a potential break up.
> That is the choice they have to make, and it is a choice they cannot
> long put off."
>
>
> regards
>
Great Depression. The result was a huge shift in power to the federal
government with the establishment of the federal reserve bank.
What I think the Euro crisis proves is that it is difficult to maintain
a high level of state sovereignty at the same time as a single currency.
One possible solution is to have a smaller and more integrated Eurozone-
effectively a single country- with a second periphery level that remains
like the original Common Market as essentially a trade bloc. But that
still leaves the issue of serious cultural and related economic
divisions between the major players - France, Germany and Italy. The
Saxon and Scandinavian countries- which to a certain extent ironically
includes Britain (or at least England) probably have enough in common to
make tighter integration work, but then again there isn't the necessary
will to do so.
abelard
May 16, 2012, 6:11:03 PM5/16/12
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On Wed, 16 May 2012 22:55:18 +0100, Andy Wainwright
<andrewricha...@hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
>On 16/05/2012 22:08, abelard wrote:
>>
>> as i have several times said, cameron knows just what he doing
>> relative to the eu...and it's ghastly bastard offspring, the euro.
>>
>> just wait and make encouraging noises off....
>>
>> even the milipede is making desperate flapping noises about eu
>> referendums as he once more tries to jump onto a passing
>> bandwagon
>>
>>
>> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-18084700
>> Prime Minister David Cameron also spoke of the financial storm clouds
>> across Europe, warning that eurozone leaders must act swiftly to solve
>> its debt crisis or face the consequences of a potential break up.
>>
>> He said during Prime Minister's Questions in the House of Commons:
>> "The eurozone has to make a choice. If the eurozone wants to continue
>> as it is, then it has got to build a proper firewall, it has got to
>> take steps to secure the weakest members of the eurozone, or it's
>> going to have to work out it has to go in a different direction,
>>
>> "It either has to make up or it is looking at a potential break up.
>> That is the choice they have to make, and it is a choice they cannot
>> long put off."
<andrewricha...@hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
>On 16/05/2012 22:08, abelard wrote:
>>
>> as i have several times said, cameron knows just what he doing
>> relative to the eu...and it's ghastly bastard offspring, the euro.
>>
>> just wait and make encouraging noises off....
>>
>> even the milipede is making desperate flapping noises about eu
>> referendums as he once more tries to jump onto a passing
>> bandwagon
>>
>>
>> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-18084700
>> Prime Minister David Cameron also spoke of the financial storm clouds
>> across Europe, warning that eurozone leaders must act swiftly to solve
>> its debt crisis or face the consequences of a potential break up.
>>
>> He said during Prime Minister's Questions in the House of Commons:
>> "The eurozone has to make a choice. If the eurozone wants to continue
>> as it is, then it has got to build a proper firewall, it has got to
>> take steps to secure the weakest members of the eurozone, or it's
>> going to have to work out it has to go in a different direction,
>>
>> "It either has to make up or it is looking at a potential break up.
>> That is the choice they have to make, and it is a choice they cannot
>> long put off."
>I see the situation as being very similar to that in the US prior to the
>Great Depression. The result was a huge shift in power to the federal
>government with the establishment of the federal reserve bank.
they're presently squabbling over who controls the ecb...
>Great Depression. The result was a huge shift in power to the federal
>government with the establishment of the federal reserve bank.
>What I think the Euro crisis proves is that it is difficult to maintain
>a high level of state sovereignty at the same time as a single currency.
the hubristic pols wanted to use the euro as a means of
forcing integration(a single state) as one of the daft and
conflicting objectives
>One possible solution is to have a smaller and more integrated Eurozone-
>effectively a single country- with a second periphery level that remains
>like the original Common Market as essentially a trade bloc. But that
>still leaves the issue of serious cultural and related economic
>divisions between the major players - France, Germany and Italy. The
>Saxon and Scandinavian countries- which to a certain extent ironically
>includes Britain (or at least England) probably have enough in common to
>make tighter integration work, but then again there isn't the necessary
>will to do so.
another?
DVH
May 16, 2012, 6:15:17 PM5/16/12
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"Andy Wainwright" <andrewricha...@hotmail.co.uk> wrote in message
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>
> One possible solution is to have a smaller and more integrated Eurozone-
> effectively a single country- with a second periphery level that remains
> like the original Common Market as essentially a trade bloc. But that
> still leaves the issue of serious cultural and related economic divisions
> between the major players - France, Germany and Italy. The Saxon and
> Scandinavian countries- which to a certain extent ironically includes
> Britain (or at least England) probably have enough in common to make
> tighter integration work, but then again there isn't the necessary will to
> do so.
persistent trade deficit.
Balance of payments and prices are both massive problems for Greece.
Greece leaks money thanks to a constant trade deficit. Much of that money is
a liability to Germany. Eventually it all has to be balanced out. But how,
when Greece doesn't export much?
If that's of interest, here's how it works and why it's gone wrong:
http://ftalphaville.ft.com/blog/2012/03/06/910081/getting-ones-head-around-target2/
malcol...@googlemail.com
May 17, 2012, 5:48:26 AM5/17/12
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On Wednesday, 16 May 2012 22:25:19 UTC+1, Redman wrote:
>
> Would that be the same Camoron that told us all last Oct that it was in
> Britains national interests to be in the EU, or was he like all
> socialists.......lying? Oh I also see you're still posting links from the
> BBC, hypocrisy is lost on you Baldrick, I hope I never read a post of yours
> slagging off any poster from now on that has links to the BBC
>
It's perfectly possible to regard the EU as a good idea, but the Euro as a bad one. Or to think that the EU needs a kick up the backside, while still wanting to be a member.
>
> Would that be the same Camoron that told us all last Oct that it was in
> Britains national interests to be in the EU, or was he like all
> socialists.......lying? Oh I also see you're still posting links from the
> BBC, hypocrisy is lost on you Baldrick, I hope I never read a post of yours
> slagging off any poster from now on that has links to the BBC
>
I see no inconsitency between the two statements.
Redman
May 17, 2012, 12:11:16 PM5/17/12
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It's wrong you illiterate fuckwit NOT rong as you have typed, learn to use a
spell checker ffs, it's not difficult, maybe mummy can show you with her
crayons.
Yes I am correct in my assumption, you pick and choose to suit your agenda.
FACTS from the BBC/Wiki
Bwhehehehehehehehehehe I rest my case
NEXT
Redman
spell checker ffs, it's not difficult, maybe mummy can show you with her
crayons.
Yes I am correct in my assumption, you pick and choose to suit your agenda.
FACTS from the BBC/Wiki
Bwhehehehehehehehehehe I rest my case
NEXT
Redman
abelard
May 17, 2012, 12:39:08 PM5/17/12
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On Thu, 17 May 2012 17:11:16 +0100, "dedfromtheneckupman"
well well...i never new that...you must be a geneeus
> as you have typed, learn to use a
>spell checker ffs, it's not difficult, maybe mummy can show you with her
>crayons.
>
>Yes I am correct in my assumption, you pick and choose to suit your agenda.
>
>FACTS from the BBC/Wiki
>
>Bwhehehehehehehehehehe I rest my case
>
>NEXT
>
>dedfromtheneckupman
> as you have typed, learn to use a
>spell checker ffs, it's not difficult, maybe mummy can show you with her
>crayons.
>
>Yes I am correct in my assumption, you pick and choose to suit your agenda.
>
>FACTS from the BBC/Wiki
>
>Bwhehehehehehehehehehe I rest my case
>
>NEXT
>
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