Why do Palestinians use human bombs?
Paul Abeles
who
Fay
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> Because they don't have any F15E's or Blackhawk helicopters.
>
They wouldn't know what to do with them if they had them. I guess they
could break them into small pieces and put them into a murdering suicide
bombing terrorist belt.
VDW
"who" <w...@arrdvark.com> schreef in bericht
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> Because they are to stupid and arrogant to try peacefull means.
like what?
Passerby
delivery capability.
VDW
"Passerby" <p_a_s_s...@skynet.net> schreef in bericht
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> Because a human bomb has an unsurpassable guidance system and stealth
> delivery capability.
Thereby cant be stopped easily and is good of breaking the enemy's citizens
morale.
john
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> Because they are to stupid and arrogant to try peacefull means.
>
settlements and erect palatial villas for themselves, like that's going to
work towards peace!
john
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As opposed to just flying over and dropping bombs indiscriminately or firing
powerful rockets into crowded streets hoping to pick off an alleged leader
but usually killing little kids instead which is what the Jooze do!
uv376
"Paul Abeles" <abe...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> Because they don't have any F15E's or Blackhawk helicopters.
So they and their "friends" hijack airliners instead. Sometimes killing
*lots* of people.
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>
>
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VDW
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Would you do the same?
Ed
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>
> who <w...@arrdvark.com> wrote in message
> news:3E237159...@arrdvark.com...
> > Because they are to stupid and arrogant to try peacefull means.
> >
> They did try that and the Israelis continued to bulldoze down their
> settlements and erect palatial villas for themselves, like that's going to
> work towards peace!
WRONG! Houses being bulldozed belong to terrorists, and they were bulldozed
only AFTER a suicide bombing. Perhaps in your world clocks run backwards?
And after the bulldozings, there were no"palatial villas". The Israeli
settlements are NOT located in the same areas that the terrorists live.
Think about what you're saying, John.... think long and hard... hopefully
your words will appear to be as idiotic to you as they are to everyone else,
eventually.
Ed
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Of all the "successful" suicide bombings, there are around a hundred times
as many that get thwarted before they are carried out.
VDW
"Ed" <nes...@comcast.net> schreef in bericht
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>
> "john" <ny...@tiscali.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:3e237c3c$1...@mk-nntp-2.news.uk.tiscali.com...
> >
> > who <w...@arrdvark.com> wrote in message
> > news:3E237159...@arrdvark.com...
> > > Because they are to stupid and arrogant to try peacefull means.
> > >
> > They did try that and the Israelis continued to bulldoze down their
> > settlements and erect palatial villas for themselves, like that's going
to
> > work towards peace!
>
> WRONG! Houses being bulldozed belong to terrorists, and they were
bulldozed
> only AFTER a suicide bombing. Perhaps in your world clocks run backwards?
> And after the bulldozings, there were no"palatial villas". The Israeli
> settlements are NOT located in the same areas that the terrorists live.
Houses from suspected suicide bombers... next to that also houses in the
palestine territory which are to strategic or to dangerous situated near
Israeli settlements where destroyed.
Fay
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> Fay <F...@nospam.net> wrote in message
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>> "Paul Abeles" <abe...@hotmail.com> wrote in
>> news:eUJU9.23577$jM5....@newsfeeds.bigpond.com:
>>
>> > Because they don't have any F15E's or Blackhawk helicopters.
>> >
>> They wouldn't know what to do with them if they had them. I guess
>> they could break them into small pieces and put them into a murdering
>> suicide bombing terrorist belt.
>
> As opposed to just flying over and dropping bombs indiscriminately or
> firing powerful rockets into crowded streets hoping to pick off an
> alleged leader
What air field are they going to take off from? Who is going to fly these
planes? They only teach their kids to hate not fly planes.
VDW
"Fay" <F...@nospam.net> schreef in bericht
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Gaza airport have been destroyed by, yes, the Israeli's!
Fay
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So you aggree they have no use for planes or helicopters. No airports, no
piolots, no trained ground support, and etc.
uv376
That would depend on what I was after (as a palestinian). If I wanted
Israel's complete destruction and wanted to provoke it into doing something
it was not willing to do, then yes, I would blow up buses and eating
establishments. I would try to instill as much anger and frustration as I
possibly could, so that when they did act on it, the world media would make
them look like satan.
If I wanted (and had the sole power *without outside assistance*) a decent
living for the people, I would stop all bombings inside Israel and cut the
best deal I possibly could for right now. I would shift over to a Ghandi
approach towards the conflict. It could only work better than what's
happening now. Every time something blows up, the palestinians go backwards
or haven't you noticed?
A few things in my mind are preventing this. Outside infuences from groups
unable to battle Israel any other way, for one. And the palestinian suicide
culture for another. Face it, their "culture" is sick. They want to kill
themselves so that they can live. Little kids being taught to march in
Jerusalem as a shahid. Give me a break.
I think it's so bad that if it all stopped right now, it would take a few
generations for that sickness to go away.
In short, the answer to your question is: NO!
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VDW
Yes, but what if they HAD fighters and choppers before their airport was
destroyed..
Fay
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What if is a bad way to live life. Like what if one of the murdering
suicide bombing terrorist kids didn't commit suicide but grew up to be a
great Doctor that found a cure for AIDS.
Passerby
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welsh witch
"Paul Abeles" <abe...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> Because they don't have any F15E's or Blackhawk helicopters.
********************************
No because they don't love their sons and daughters as much as they
hate the Israelies (Mrs Golda Meyer)
http://www.walk-wales.org.uk/mother.htm
welsh witch
Now there's a thought top conjure with.....do you know of any
Palestinians who have invented/created anything useful on the
humanitarian front or any other for that matter? Interesting cutting
below I thought:-) Looks like it far more likely tha the Jewish child
who was murdered would have grown up to be the one who discovered the
answer to AIDS!
"""""NEWS BRIEF: "Is It True, Jews Win More Nobel Prizes Than Anyone
Else?", The Jewish Press, Friday, May 9, 1997, Page 72.
"Is it true that Jews win more Nobel Prizes than any other ethnic
group? The answer is 'yes'. According to Gail Lichtman, writing in the
Jerusalem Post, 'It's no bubbe meise. Jews do win more Nobel Prizes in
science proportionately than any other religious or ethnic group.'"
Ms. Lichtman interviewed John Hulley, a former senior economist with
the World Bank in Washington, D.C., who has been living in Jerusalem
for the past 14 years. Hulley is author of the book, Comets, Jews, and
Christians, published in 1996. According to Hulley, 86% of Nobel
Science prizes from 1901 through 1990 have been won by Jews and
Protestants, with Jews taking 22% of the prizes. Jews are also 40
times more likely to win the Science Prize than projected, based on a
per capita basis."
Jews, who represent less than 1% of the population of the world, have
historically captured 22% of the prizes. And, this percentage
translates into winning 40 times more than one should expect them to
win, based upon their small population numbers"""""
Can anyone find a similar/parallel cutting re Palestinians?
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VDW
> Did I mention that it also very cheap?
Guess they dont have the money to buy the expensive fancy weapons israel can
buy.
Sniper
"Paul Abeles" <abe...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> Because they don't have any F15E's or Blackhawk helicopters.
>
fight more even. Also, competent leadership would be a bonus. But hey, to
put it bluntly, you have to break a few eggs to make an omelette.
gab...@hotmail.com
wrote:
> Why do Palestinians use human bombs?
Because they're way too stupid and cowardly to wage a guerilla war.
Because it's easier to brainwash young men with religious hatred and
sexual manipulation.
gab...@hotmail.com
>
>who <w...@arrdvark.com> wrote in message
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>> Because they are to stupid and arrogant to try peacefull means.
>>
>They did try that and the Israelis continued to bulldoze down their
>settlements and erect palatial villas for themselves, like that's going to
>work towards peace!
Bullshit.
Albert Reingewirtz
Fay <F...@nospam.net> wrote:
What if your grand mother had wheels? Wopuld she be a donkey cart?
Binyamin Dissen
:>"john" <ny...@tiscali.co.uk> wrote in message
:>news:3e237c3c$1...@mk-nntp-2.news.uk.tiscali.com...
:>> who <w...@arrdvark.com> wrote in message
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:>> > Because they are to stupid and arrogant to try peacefull means.
:>> They did try that and the Israelis continued to bulldoze down their
:>> settlements and erect palatial villas for themselves, like that's going to
:>> work towards peace!
:>WRONG! Houses being bulldozed belong to terrorists, and they were bulldozed
:>only AFTER a suicide bombing. Perhaps in your world clocks run backwards?
:>And after the bulldozings, there were no"palatial villas". The Israeli
:>settlements are NOT located in the same areas that the terrorists live.
You forget - to cowardly arab moslems and the KKKlan, "he hit me back first"
is a valid excuse.
:>Think about what you're saying, John.... think long and hard... hopefully
:>your words will appear to be as idiotic to you as they are to everyone else,
:>eventually.
Will not be surprised if some neo-nazi crawls out of his ooze to support
"John".
--
Binyamin Dissen <bdi...@dissensoftware.com>
http://www.dissensoftware.com
Sniper
"Albert Reingewirtz" <al...@adelphia.net> spewed the following load of
horsecock in message news:albr->
> British supporter of Arab terror?
Nope. English supporter of Palestinian self determination.
>A well deserved Plunk!
Oohhh. Bitch. Bitch. Bitch
Fay
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>> > Yes, but what if they HAD fighters and choppers before their
>> > airport was destroyed..
>> >
>> What if is a bad way to live life. Like what if one of the murdering
>> suicide bombing terrorist kids didn't commit suicide but grew up to
>> be a great Doctor that found a cure for AIDS.
>
> What if your grand mother had wheels? Wopuld she be a donkey cart?
>
My Grandmother had an education. Something that a suicide bombing terrorist
kid will never have. It seems like such a waste of young life.
Dirk Bruere at Neopax
Far more get wasted by Israeli soldiers.
Dirk
Fay
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The key word in your post is given. Why should they not work for what they
want? They think workers in the world should just give and give and give to
them.
ddb
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> "john" <ny...@tiscali.co.uk> wrote in message
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> >
> > who <w...@arrdvark.com> wrote in message
> > news:3E237159...@arrdvark.com...
> > > Because they are to stupid and arrogant to try peacefull means.
> > >
> > They did try that and the Israelis continued to bulldoze down their
> > settlements and erect palatial villas for themselves, like that's going
to
> > work towards peace!
>
> WRONG! Houses being bulldozed belong to terrorists, and they were
bulldozed
> only AFTER a suicide bombing.
WRONG! Houses being bulldozed belong to ALLEGED terrorist since due process
is not extended to Palestinians and has ever been attempted. On a final note
bulldozing the house heaps blame on the family since the bomber is already
dead and the punishment extended to the family is guilty by association
since they may or may not have known of their relatives involvement. The
right thing to do, if bulldozing is an appropriate punishment, is at least
give those families their right to due process as well.
ddb
<gab...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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After the Oslo accord the Palestinians lived in relative calm with the
Israelis there where no terrorist attacks for years. At the same time the
Israeli government stepped up efforts to extended settlement development
into the areas of those who refer to themselves as Palestinians. The
Palestinians made that argument numerous times thru proper channels and the
world ignored them. So they gave peace while at the same time Israel
expanded it's settlements which caused the problems of today all they
learned from their efforts was unless they were kicking up dust no one in
the international community cared. Well now everyone cares huh.
>
>
>
who
The price of terrorisim is death.
Deborah
>After the Oslo accord the Palestinians lived in relative calm with
the
>Israelis there where no terrorist attacks for years.
On what planet? Palestinian Arab terrorist attacks increased
after Oslo.
>At the same time the Israeli government stepped up efforts to
>extended settlement development into the areas of those who refer to
>themselves as Palestinians.
And the Pallies didn't extend THEIR settlements?
>The
>Palestinians made that argument numerous times thru proper channels
and the
>world ignored them. So they gave peace
The peace of the grave is what the Pallies are giving.
>while at the same time Israel
>expanded it's settlements which caused the problems of today all they
>learned from their efforts was unless they were kicking up dust no
one in
>the international community cared.
What excuse were the Pallies using for their terrorism
BEFORE they starting whining about "settlements"?
>Well now everyone cares huh.
Most of the world doesn't give a damn.
Deborah
Deborah
>Because they don't have any F15E's or Blackhawk helicopters.
Because they don't have any consideration for human
life.
Deborah
uv376
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>
> "Ed" <nes...@comcast.net> wrote in message
> news:Piednda9n6W...@comcast.com...
> >
> > "john" <ny...@tiscali.co.uk> wrote in message
> > news:3e237c3c$1...@mk-nntp-2.news.uk.tiscali.com...
> > >
> > > who <w...@arrdvark.com> wrote in message
> > > news:3E237159...@arrdvark.com...
> > > > Because they are to stupid and arrogant to try peacefull means.
> > > >
> > > They did try that and the Israelis continued to bulldoze down their
> > > settlements and erect palatial villas for themselves, like that's going
> to
> > > work towards peace!
> >
> > WRONG! Houses being bulldozed belong to terrorists, and they were
> bulldozed
> > only AFTER a suicide bombing.
>
> WRONG! Houses being bulldozed belong to ALLEGED terrorist since due process
> is not extended to Palestinians and has ever been attempted. On a final
note
> bulldozing the house heaps blame on the family since the bomber is already
> dead and the punishment extended to the family is guilty by association
> since they may or may not have known of their relatives involvement. The
> right thing to do, if bulldozing is an appropriate punishment, is at least
> give those families their right to due process as well.
Will Israeli victims of suicide bombings get 'due process' before their
sentence is passed?
JGB
<
Why don't they have F-15's or Blackhawk helicopters?
JGB
> >
> > > Because they don't have any F15E's or Blackhawk helicopters.
> > >
> > could break them into small pieces and put them into a murdering suicide
> > bombing terrorist belt.
>
> As opposed to just flying over and dropping bombs indiscriminately or firing
> powerful rockets into crowded streets hoping to pick off an alleged leader
But what's the point of having F-15's or even nukes if you don't USE
them? Now if I were in charge, an ENTIRE ARAB VILLAGE would be incinerated
in retaliation for every suicide bombing. Killing a few Arabs here and
there don't cut it. It only gets you bad press every day.
Ya have to do what Saddam did with the Kurds, or
Assad did in Hama, or King Hussein did in "Black September" of 1970. You
have to kill 1000 to 1. That way the press doesn't get 1000 times more
upset. So having F-15's, missiles, nukes, etc., is worthless if not used
to maximum capability.
Jeff Gillis
How do you think Israel got all it's weapons. Answer, the United
States either gave them the money or the weapons being used by Israel
to murder Palestinians.
Ed
> news:Piednda9n6W...@comcast.com...
> >
> > "john" <ny...@tiscali.co.uk> wrote in message
> > news:3e237c3c$1...@mk-nntp-2.news.uk.tiscali.com...
> > >
> > > who <w...@arrdvark.com> wrote in message
> > > news:3E237159...@arrdvark.com...
> > > > Because they are to stupid and arrogant to try peacefull means.
> > > >
> > > They did try that and the Israelis continued to bulldoze down their
> > > settlements and erect palatial villas for themselves, like that's
going
> to
> > > work towards peace!
> >
> > WRONG! Houses being bulldozed belong to terrorists, and they were
> bulldozed
> > only AFTER a suicide bombing.
>
> WRONG! Houses being bulldozed belong to ALLEGED terrorist since due
process
> is not extended to Palestinians and has ever been attempted.
There must have been plenty of good reason to go after those particular
houses, due process or otherwise.
On a final note
> bulldozing the house heaps blame on the family since the bomber is already
> dead and the punishment extended to the family is guilty by association
> since they may or may not have known of their relatives involvement.
Whether the relatives knew of the terrorists' involvement is irrelevant.
The family being "guilty by association" is at best a specious argument
since 90% of the Palestinians support the terroristic activities.
Perhaps by doing this to the families of the terrorists it would motivate
them to stop the bombings, but evidently the Palestinians hate Israel more
than they love their own families.
The
> right thing to do, if bulldozing is an appropriate punishment, is at least
> give those families their right to due process as well.
And while everyone is waiting for due process to be achieved, how many more
terrorists will strike?
ddb
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Nope you're right and neither did the perpetrator of the crime. So the guy
who did the crime is already dead and the laws there want to take it out on
his/her family without proving that they knew or even had a clue that the
individual was planning an attack. I can honestly say that by the number of
suicide bombings taking place in Israel, the policy appears to be working.
NOT!
ddb
>
> > Because they don't have any F15E's or Blackhawk helicopters.
> >
> could break them into small pieces and put them into a murdering suicide
> bombing terrorist belt.
So you're saying that the US didn't provide them with any and futher that
the US didn't train those little monkey like we trained your little monkeys.
Fay
news:72e09ede.03011...@posting.google.com:
We and the EU have given billions to Arafat. His wife is wearing $10,000.00
French dresses and the rest is in his Swiss bank account.
God
> What if is a bad way to live life. Like what if one of the murdering
> suicide bombing terrorist kids didn't commit suicide but grew up to be a
> great Doctor that found a cure for AIDS.
Another Israeli supporter taling through her rectum. How is it
possible for a child to become a doctor and find cure for AIDS when
your zionazi murderers are blowing up their homes?
Why don't you go back to Europe and Russia where you came from and
leave Palestine back for Palestinians?
Jooze really are so fukked up in their brains, they come up with
bizarre suggestions. Like when they said Yasser Arafat should control
terrorists, when the jooze were holding him hostage in his compund and
were destroying every single piece of the same police apparatus that
Israelis wanted Arafat to use to control his people.
Someone should insert a few nuke bombs up Juish rectums some day. Then
they will know what it feels like to live under occupation. Hehehe.
God
uv376
The perpetrators are NOT dead. Not likely that the young suicide/homocide
bomber gathered the explosives and put together the bomb vest himself. How is
it that they always seem to know what to do and where to go? Someone is
helping and *encouraging* them. No, the "guy" who did the crime is not dead.
and the laws there want to take it out on
> his/her family without proving that they knew or even had a clue that the
> individual was planning an attack.
Proof in each instance? No. But it is well known fact the children are taught
as soon as they can walk (sometimes sooner) that this is a glorious thing,
usually by relatives and the school system, such as it is.
I can honestly say that by the number of
> suicide bombings taking place in Israel, the policy appears to be working.
> NOT!
You mean to say that suicide/homocide bombings are on the rise since the
Israelis started this policy? Nothing will work completely, but the number of
attacks has dropped dramatically. Not many suicide/bomber/victims are going
to act without first considering what will happen to the rest of their
family. It isn't just themselves anymore.
Fay
I know we had four of Israels top scientist come to the US to work with us
on the F11 GSR. They had some top gun fighter pilots at that time. I'm not
sure where they were trained. The Texas company that developed the GSR
trained Israels ground personel.
What monkeys did you train for us? What did you train them to do? We used a
trained monkey on one of our early space projects, but that monkey was
trained in Florida.
VDW
"Deborah" <dsha...@yahoo.com> schreef in bericht
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> "ddb" <fake@!attbi.com> wrote:
> >After the Oslo accord the Palestinians lived in relative calm with
> the
> >Israelis there where no terrorist attacks for years.
>
> On what planet? Palestinian Arab terrorist attacks increased
> after Oslo.
Go search on the internet why the first and second intifada began.
> >At the same time the Israeli government stepped up efforts to
> >extended settlement development into the areas of those who refer to
> >themselves as Palestinians.
>
> And the Pallies didn't extend THEIR settlements?
Exactly, they didnt. Can you give one example a Palestine taking(stealing)
Israeli's land??
>
> >The
> >Palestinians made that argument numerous times thru proper channels
> and the
> >world ignored them. So they gave peace
>
> The peace of the grave is what the Pallies are giving.
Ever wondered what brought them so far to get into suicide bombings?
> >while at the same time Israel
> >expanded it's settlements which caused the problems of today all they
> >learned from their efforts was unless they were kicking up dust no
> one in
> >the international community cared.
>
> What excuse were the Pallies using for their terrorism
> BEFORE they starting whining about "settlements"?
Do you even know when the Intifada began?
>
> >Well now everyone cares huh.
>
> Most of the world doesn't give a damn.
Then why is it in the news everyday?!
Nobody gave a damn when about 800.000 people are being slaughtered in
Africa(eg Rwanda)..
> Deborah
VDW
Ever thought what they do it for?
VDW
"who" <w...@arrdvark.com> schreef in bericht
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No price...Just a last hope.
VDW
Yea sure, Israel/Sharon owns the US!
VDW
<gab...@hotmail.com> schreef in bericht
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> On Tue, 14 Jan 2003 12:51:19 +1100, "Paul Abeles" <abe...@hotmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Why do Palestinians use human bombs?
>
> Because they're way too stupid and cowardly to wage a guerilla war.
>
> Because it's easier to brainwash young men with religious hatred and
> sexual manipulation.
>
Isnt that what they did in the States for a long time already?
VDW
Being hurt so much they found a way to finally hurt their enemy. Cant think
of a 'group of people' wouldnt do the same when there s nothing left to do!
VDW
VDW
Guess Israel get bigger presents from the US then the Palestines ever will
get.
But no fear. with weapons alone you wont win a war. Victory is between the
ears.
uv376
"VDW" <maydaychopper@(NOSPAM)yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Do you think if they started using what was between the ears they would be
doing better? They seriously lack any good leaders. They're out there
somewhere, I'm sure. But something is preventing them from coming up front.
Why?
>
>
>
Sniper
> want? They think workers in the world should just give and give and give
to
> them.
Yup and I guess Israel really had to work hard when they got the US to stump
up a reputed $3.5 billion each year.
Sniper
> We and the EU have given billions to Arafat. His wife is wearing
$10,000.00
> French dresses and the rest is in his Swiss bank account.
Please post an independently sourced link to back up that claim. I know the
EU have given millions to the PA and to fund institutions such as schools
and hospitals in Palestine, but billions?
gab...@hotmail.com
<sni...@environmentalterrorist.co.uk> wrote:
>
>"Paul Abeles" <abe...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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>> Because they don't have any F15E's or Blackhawk helicopters.
>>
>It's a shame the Palestinians are not given the weaponry needed to make the
>fight more even. Also, competent leadership would be a bonus. But hey, to
>put it bluntly, you have to break a few eggs to make an omelette.
>
Your support for unrestricted warfare by Israel is duly noted.
gab...@hotmail.com
<maydaychopper@(NOSPAM)yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>Yes, but what if they HAD fighters and choppers before their airport was
>destroyed..
>
They had them in 1967...
fenceeerx
So give them F15E's and Blackhawks. Israel will smash them to bits. Just as
they smashed Arab armies in 5 wars
Fens
fenceeerx
>
> Yup and I guess Israel really had to work hard when they got the US to
stump
> up a reputed $3.5 billion each year.
Good for the USA. The stinking Arabs have their oil money yet make sure
Pallies stay in UN run (and paid for) refugee camps. Death to all Jihadists
and Islamic militants. You are their pom pom girl.
Fens
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Fay
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Things Israel doesn't do.
1. Burn our flag
2. Dance and eat sweets when over 3000 of our civilians die in a terrorist
attack.
3. Burn our President Bush in effigy
Sniper
> Things Israel doesn't do.
> 1. Burn our flag
> 2. Dance and eat sweets when over 3000 of our civilians die in a terrorist
> attack.
> 3. Burn our President Bush in effigy
Correct me if I am mistaken but neither the staff or management of London
Transport indulge in any of those things. So when will they be receiving a
few billion so they can get more buses on the streets? Hey that is an easier
way to raise money than the Congestion Charge.
Also, isn't that one of the joys of freedom of expression? Are you trying to
say that only people in the US are allowed to freely express themselves?
Should any opinion that runs contrary to US opinion be squashed? What would
you like to see happen to anyone that expresses an opinion that you find
odious? A rerun of Kristalnacht? Another form of government sponsored
intimidation?
Sniper
"fenceeerx" <fexxysf...@aolnot.com> wrote in message
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> Good for the USA. The stinking Arabs have their oil money yet make sure
> Pallies stay in UN run (and paid for) refugee camps. Death to all
Jihadists
> and Islamic militants. You are their pom pom girl.
>
> Fens
>
ddb
> "ddb" <fake@!attbi.com> wrote in news:7P3V9.54511$No.7537@sccrnsc04:
>
> > "Fay" <F...@nospam.net> wrote in message
> > news:Xns9302CD6078...@216.168.3.44...
> >> "Paul Abeles" <abe...@hotmail.com> wrote in
> >> news:eUJU9.23577$jM5....@newsfeeds.bigpond.com:
> >>
> >> > Because they don't have any F15E's or Blackhawk helicopters.
> >> >
> >> They wouldn't know what to do with them if they had them. I guess
> >> they could break them into small pieces and put them into a murdering
> >> suicide bombing terrorist belt.
> >
> > So you're saying that the US didn't provide them with any and futher
> > that the US didn't train those little monkey like we trained your
> > little monkeys.
> >
> I know we had four of Israels top scientist come to the US to work with us
> on the F11 GSR. They had some top gun fighter pilots at that time. I'm not
> sure where they were trained. The Texas company that developed the GSR
> trained Israels ground personel.
Well let's see where is Texas located? Oh that's right in the US! So the
little monkeys trained were guess what Israeli monkeys. These guys couldn't
fly a hot balloon had it not been for US training in the 60's. If the US
provided for the Palestinians as they had for Israel their little monkeys
cold become just as proficient at murdering from the sky as the Israeli
monkeys have and for the same reason.
Deborah Sharavai
>>>the Israelis there where no terrorist attacks for years.
>>On what planet? Palestinian Arab terrorist attacks increased
>>after Oslo.
"VDW" <maydaychopper@(NOSPAM)yahoo.com> wrote:
>Go search on the internet why the first and second intifada began.
Presumably I should search only the sites which claim
Pallies "lived in relative calm with Israelis" after
Oslo, which is typical Pallie bullshit.
>>>At the same time the Israeli government stepped up efforts to
>>>extended settlement development into the areas of those who refer to
>>>themselves as Palestinians.
>>And the Pallies didn't extend THEIR settlements?
>Exactly, they didnt.
They did.
>Can you give one example a Palestine taking(stealing)
>Israeli's land??
Can you give one example where an Israeli has taken
(stolen) Pallie land?
>>>The
>>>Palestinians made that argument numerous times thru proper channels
>>>and the
>>>world ignored them. So they gave peace
>>The peace of the grave is what the Pallies are giving.
>Ever wondered what brought them so far to get into suicide bombings?
Evidently you condone Pallie homicide bombing of civilians.
>>>while at the same time Israel
>>>expanded it's settlements which caused the problems of today all they
>>>learned from their efforts was unless they were kicking up dust no
>>>one in the international community cared.
>>What excuse were the Pallies using for their terrorism
>>BEFORE they starting whining about "settlements"?
>Do you even know when the Intifada began?
Intifada I or II? And do you even know what excuse
Pallie Arabs used for their massacres of Jews? their
teaching their children to hate Jews, and how glorious
a career they can have as a shahid?
>>>Well now everyone cares huh.
>>Most of the world doesn't give a damn.
>Then why is it in the news everyday?!
Is it?
>Nobody gave a damn when about 800.000 people are being
>slaughtered in Africa(eg Rwanda)..
It's obvious the world doesn't give a damn that Saudia
is the biggest oppressor in the ME, or that Sudanese
Muslims have slaughtered or enslaved millions of Xians.
Deborah
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Fay
The Israel scientist were highly educated and contributed greatly to the
development of the GSR project. When was the last time a Palestinian
scientist contributed to anything? The Palestinians had some planes before
1967 that were trained by Israel pilots.
Deborah Sharavai
>>life.
>Being hurt so much they found a way to finally hurt
>their enemy. Cant think of a 'group of people' wouldnt
>do the same when there s nothing left to do!
Really? Please refresh my memory as to when, during
the Arab riots of the 1930s and the Jewish struggle
against the British during the 1940s, Jewish defence
groups targeted:
a) Arab schools
b) Arab restaurants
c) Arab civilians
Naturally, you will trot out the tired old example of
Deir Yassin. When you do so, please let me know when
the village was established, and on whose land, thank
you very much.
Deborah Sharavai
>>Guess Israel get bigger presents from the US then the Palestines ever will
>>get.
Nations don't give "presents" out of the goodness of
their hearts; we have more use for Israel than we do
for Pallies.
>>But no fear. with weapons alone you wont win a war.
>>Victory is between the ears.
"uv376" <uv...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>Do you think if they started using what was between the
>ears they would be doing better?
Have they ever?
>They seriously lack any good leaders. They're out there
>somewhere, I'm sure. But something is preventing them
>from coming up front.
>Why?
Possibly the same thing which prevented Israel from
negotating with "moderate" Palestinian notables at
Madrid: the PLO's claim to be, and the Arab League's
and the UN's subsequent desgination of the PLO as, the
"sole legitimate representative" of the Pallies. Not
to mention Terrorfat & Co.'s execution of Palestinian
dissenters. Is it any wonder that Terrorfat opponents
live abroad?
Deborah
Fay
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> "Fay" <F...@nospam.net> wrote in message
> news:Xns93044CF6A20...@216.168.3.44...
>> Things Israel doesn't do.
>> 1. Burn our flag
>> 2. Dance and eat sweets when over 3000 of our civilians die in a
>> terrorist attack.
>> 3. Burn our President Bush in effigy
>
> Correct me if I am mistaken but neither the staff or management of
> London Transport indulge in any of those things. So when will they be
> receiving a few billion so they can get more buses on the streets? Hey
> that is an easier way to raise money than the Congestion Charge.
>
> Also, isn't that one of the joys of freedom of expression? Are you
> trying to say that only people in the US are allowed to freely express
> themselves? Should any opinion that runs contrary to US opinion be
> squashed?
They can express anything they want, but when they do these kinds of
expressions don't expect the Americans to feel any sympathy.
Sniper
> They can express anything they want, but when they do these kinds of
> expressions don't expect the Americans to feel any sympathy.
> 1. Burn our flag
> 2. Dance and eat sweets when over 3000 of our civilians die in a
> terrorist attack.
> 3. Burn our President Bush in effigy
To be honest with you, whether or not Palestinians celebrated the September
11th attacks I do not think they want or expect any sympathy from the US. We
all heard GWB spouting about his vision for a Palestinian state when he
wanted Arab support to attack al Qa'ida in Afghanistan. If anyone actually
believed that load of tripe then they should be embarrassed. That is why the
PA have been looking to the EU for financial support and to take a more
active role in securing peace in the region. Everyone knows that the US long
ago abandoned any pretence of being the so-called honest broker in the
Middle East, so why on earth should the people most affected by the
situation feel any sympathy?
We saw the pro al Qa'ida rallies in Pakistan, Palestine and throughout the
Middle East. I have seen anti US rallies in London and been there when
Muslim fundamentalists (for want of a better word) were shouting the usual
"Down with America" nonsense. When so many people, especially Muslims, feel
that the cause of all their problems emanates from DC foreign policy, why on
earth would they feel sympathy when innocent Americans are murdered? I mean,
it is not like they have seen much sympathy flowing from the US, even before
September 11th.
Fay
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> "Fay" <F...@nospam.net> wrote in message
> news:Xns9304749B6D2...@216.168.3.44...
>> They can express anything they want, but when they do these kinds of
>> expressions don't expect the Americans to feel any sympathy.
>> 1. Burn our flag
>> 2. Dance and eat sweets when over 3000 of our civilians die in a
>> terrorist attack.
>> 3. Burn our President Bush in effigy
>
> To be honest with you, whether or not Palestinians celebrated the
> September 11th attacks I do not think they want or expect any sympathy
> from the US.
They want aid money.
>
> We saw the pro al Qa'ida rallies in Pakistan, Palestine and throughout
> the Middle East. I have seen anti US rallies in London and been there
> when Muslim fundamentalists (for want of a better word) were shouting
> the usual "Down with America" nonsense.
Muslims hate America. Muslims in England included.
Deborah Sharavai
>They can express anything they want, but when they do these kinds of
>expressions don't expect the Americans to feel any sympathy.
>1. Burn our flag
>2. Dance and eat sweets when over 3000 of our civilians die in a
>terrorist attack.
>3. Burn our President Bush in effigy
You forgot to add the most important Pallie expression
guaranteed not to gain American sympathy:
4. Murder of American citizens.
Deborah Sharavai
>The Israel scientist were highly educated and contributed greatly to the
>development of the GSR project. When was the last time a Palestinian
>scientist contributed to anything?
When was there ever any "Palestinian scientist"?
Fay
news:736abdc74eca079da7e...@mygate.mailgate.org:
> "Fay" <F...@nospam.net> wrote:
>>They can express anything they want, but when they do these kinds of
>>expressions don't expect the Americans to feel any sympathy.
>>1. Burn our flag
>>2. Dance and eat sweets when over 3000 of our civilians die in a
>>terrorist attack.
>>3. Burn our President Bush in effigy
>
> You forgot to add the most important Pallie expression
> guaranteed not to gain American sympathy:
>
> 4. Murder of American citizens.
>
> Deborah
I forgot that one, but there are many.
Fay
Fay
> "Fay" <F...@nospam.net> wrote:
>>The Israel scientist were highly educated and contributed greatly to the
>>development of the GSR project. When was the last time a Palestinian
>>scientist contributed to anything?
>
> When was there ever any "Palestinian scientist"?
>
> Deborah
>
He's not answering, I guess he has no come back.
I had the pleasure with working with the Israel scientists. We gave them a
real Texas experience. I have fond memories.
Fay
ddb
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>
> "ddb" <fake@!attbi.com> wrote in message
> news:HaYU9.49919$Dn.9634@sccrnsc03...
> >
> > "Ed" <nes...@comcast.net> wrote in message
> > news:Piednda9n6W...@comcast.com...
> > >
> > > "john" <ny...@tiscali.co.uk> wrote in message
> > > news:3e237c3c$1...@mk-nntp-2.news.uk.tiscali.com...
> > > >
> > > > who <w...@arrdvark.com> wrote in message
> > > > news:3E237159...@arrdvark.com...
> > > > > Because they are to stupid and arrogant to try peacefull means.
> > > > >
> > > > They did try that and the Israelis continued to bulldoze down their
> > > > settlements and erect palatial villas for themselves, like that's
> going
> > to
> > > > work towards peace!
> > >
> > > WRONG! Houses being bulldozed belong to terrorists, and they were
> > bulldozed
> > > only AFTER a suicide bombing.
> >
> > WRONG! Houses being bulldozed belong to ALLEGED terrorist since due
> process
> > is not extended to Palestinians and has ever been attempted.
>
> There must have been plenty of good reason to go after those particular
> houses, due process or otherwise.
Sure pure hatred of Palestinians.
>
> On a final note
> > bulldozing the house heaps blame on the family since the bomber is
already
> > dead and the punishment extended to the family is guilty by association
> > since they may or may not have known of their relatives involvement.
>
> Whether the relatives knew of the terrorists' involvement is irrelevant.
> The family being "guilty by association" is at best a specious argument
> since 90% of the Palestinians support the terroristic activities.
There is a wide gulf between supporting and actively participating. Where do
you get that 90% number does anyone poll them? So given that mindset those
folks in Columbine High school in Colorado whose kids killed the other
students and themselves should have their house bulldozed?
> Perhaps by doing this to the families of the terrorists it would motivate
> them to stop the bombings, but evidently the Palestinians hate Israel more
> than they love their own families.
No neither side care about their families or children in general they only
care about being right and killing the others.
>
> The
> > right thing to do, if bulldozing is an appropriate punishment, is at
least
> > give those families their right to due process as well.
>
> And while everyone is waiting for due process to be achieved, how many
more
> terrorists will strike?
How many terrorist attacks have been perpetrated by the families of suicide
bombers? Show me the numbers or status both before and after the campaign of
bulldozing. No bulldozing the house of the family or Alleged family of the
suicide bomber is pure retaliation an eye for an eye and no justice at all
and no due process given to families is the strongest indication of that
hatred.
I once heard a story of an Israeli terrorist group who planned to blow up an
all girls Palestinian school, this all happened within the last year, so if
bulldozing is the law for such acts and apparently for attempts why weren't
their home destroyed certainly we would of heard of it had it happened? The
fact is this and other cases like it indicate that Israel has one set of
laws that they apply to Palestinians and another set for Israelis.
>
> >
> > Perhaps in your world clocks run backwards?
> > > And after the bulldozings, there were no"palatial villas". The
Israeli
> > > settlements are NOT located in the same areas that the terrorists
live.
> > >
> > > Think about what you're saying, John.... think long and hard...
> hopefully
> > > your words will appear to be as idiotic to you as they are to everyone
> > else,
> > > eventually.
ddb
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Yeah it's called assassination by the IDF as soon as a leader appears Israel
kills him as an Alleged terrorist then bulldozes his house.
> Why?
>
> >
> >
> >
>
>
Hélder M. Vieira
"Fay" <F...@nospam.net> escreveu na mensagem
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> They can express anything they want, but when they do these kinds of
> expressions don't expect the Americans to feel any sympathy.
> 1. Burn our flag
> 2. Dance and eat sweets when over 3000 of our civilians die in a
> terrorist attack.
> 3. Burn our President Bush in effigy
They don't expect your simpathy.
You became a part of the problem, not of the solution.
If they do 1, 2 and 3 is because of your blind support of nazIsrael.
What did you expect ? kisses ?
Hélder M. Vieira
ddb
> > Because they don't have any F15E's or Blackhawk helicopters.
>
> So give them F15E's and Blackhawks. Israel will smash them to bits. Just
as
> they smashed Arab armies in 5 wars
Can we have time to train them as we did Israel. By the way I understand the
US military is conducting joint training with the Israeli Army and they have
brought their latest version of the Patriot missle so the question is how
long after the US military leaves will it take for the Israeli government to
sell them to China like they did the last Batch?
Fay
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They are not asking for "kisses", they are asking for aid money.
ddb
Well they should hell they have reverse engineered everything the US gave
them. Then they made their own version and even sold some to China. What an
ally huh!
The fact still remains that the US armed and trained those monkeys and if we
were successful there it simply means tribal monkeys are trainable.
Sniper
Thanks so much for clearing that up for me.
Ed
JGB
> "who" <w...@arrdvark.com> schreef in bericht
> news:3E237159...@arrdvark.com...
> > Because they are to stupid and arrogant to try peacefull means.
>
Like surrendering the way the Germans and Japanese did. The US didn't
exterminate them, did it? They should surrender and they will get
much better terms than if they continue "armed struggle."
JGB
NAME a SINGLE PEACEFUL Palestinian leader not engaged in violence
who was assassinated or had his home blown up. Name one.
Deborah Sharavai
>>>scientist contributed to anything?
>>When was there ever any "Palestinian scientist"?
>>Deborah
"Fay" <F...@nospam.net> wrote:
>He's not answering, I guess he has no come back.
Or any Pallie "scientist".
>I had the pleasure with working with the Israel scientists.
>We gave them a real Texas experience. I have fond memories.
> Fay
What's a "real Texas experience"?
Fay
>>I had the pleasure with working with the Israel scientists.
>>We gave them a real Texas experience. I have fond memories.
>> Fay
>
> What's a "real Texas experience"?
>
> Deborah
>
You would have just had to have been there. They spoke very proper UK
English and we spoke Texas English. By the time they left we made them
honorary Texans. They each left with a brass armadillo paper weight.
Deborah Sharavai
>You would have just had to have been there. They spoke very proper UK
>English and we spoke Texas English. By the time they left we made them
>honorary Texans. They each left with a brass armadillo paper weight.
I'm still in the dark about a "real Texas experience."
Somehow, I think of it as a big brunch with eggs,
biscuits, fresh fruit, fruit juice, yummy gooey
cinnamon rolls, then a swim in a pool under a hot
baking sun, then a ride on the range. And that's
only the morning and early afternoon.
Close?
VDW
Alright, say they'll 'surrender'. What will change? What did they have
before the intifade what they dont have now. Besides, its not a government
which is attacking Israel, but a bunch of terrorists scattered around in
alot of cells... Even if they stop terrorist except one group, *all* the
Palestines will still be to blame. Thats why more and more palestines will
hate Israel even more. And those terrorists attacking Israel will make the
Israeli's hate *all* Palestines even more! Nothing will change unless these
terrorgroups will stop. And there is no other way to stop them besides
talking.
JGB
> "JGB" <jga...@netzero.com> schreef in bericht
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> > "VDW" <maydaychopper@(NOSPAM)yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:<avvs84$l2m$1...@reader10.wxs.nl>...
> > > "who" <w...@arrdvark.com> schreef in bericht
> > > news:3E237159...@arrdvark.com...
> > > > Because they are to stupid and arrogant to try peacefull means.
> > >
> > > like what?<
> >
> > Like surrendering the way the Germans and Japanese did. The US didn't
> > exterminate them, did it? They should surrender and they will get
> > much better terms than if they continue "armed struggle."
>
> Alright, say they'll 'surrender'. What will change? What did they have
> before the intifade what they dont have now.<
Look, when the Oslo accords were agreed to, and Arafat was allowed
to return as leader of the Palestinian Authority, and given all of
Gaza, as well as 42% of the West Bank, as well as 95% of its population
to rule over, he was also given thousands of assault rifles by the
Israelis to give to his 17 security forces numbering nearly 40,000
men. Consider that NEw York City, with 8 million inhabitants has a
police force of 38,000, those PA security forces well armed with
Israeli-provided arms and Israeli intelligence and security assistance,
was supposed to genuinely root out Hamas and others within the 3 million
Palestinian Arabs under his domain. Israel never expected 100% results
but did expect genuine, sincere 100% effort! What it got was a sham
effort, and even under-the-table cooperation between Arafat and these
terror groups when it suited his purpose. After 6 years of sham it began
superabundantly clear that Arafat remained the terrorist fraud he has
always been.
> Besides, its not a government
> which is attacking Israel, but a bunch of terrorists scattered around in
> alot of cells... Even if they stop terrorist except one group, *all* the
> Palestines will still be to blame. Thats why more and more palestines will
> hate Israel even more. And those terrorists attacking Israel will make the
> Israeli's hate *all* Palestines even more! Nothing will change unless these
> terrorgroups will stop. And there is no other way to stop them besides
> talking.<
The terrorists will NEVER STOP due to talking. They will only occasionally
agree to ceasefires when it suits their purpose, only to resume when it
again suits them. Terrorists against your very existence can
never be changed through talk. THey have to be exterminated, period.
The people of Germany and Japan suffered greatly from wars initiated by
their leadership during WWII. Only when their leadership was imprisoned
or killed, and the war was won, did they again get peace and prosperity.
When the Palestinians have a leadership as
determined to annihilate the terrorists as Israel is, then they will be
a partner for true peace.
Hélder M. Vieira
"JGB" <jga...@netzero.com> escreveu na mensagem
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> The terrorists will NEVER STOP due to talking. They will only occasionally
> agree to ceasefires when it suits their purpose, only to resume when it
> again suits them. Terrorists against your very existence can
> never be changed through talk. THey have to be exterminated, period.
> The people of Germany and Japan suffered greatly from wars initiated by
> their leadership during WWII. Only when their leadership was imprisoned
> or killed, and the war was won, did they again get peace and prosperity.
> When the Palestinians have a leadership as
> determined to annihilate the terrorists as Israel is, then they will be
> a partner for true peace.
The palestinian people, not Arafat, is determined to annihilate the israeli
terrorists, and that is quite acceptable, given the nazi-like history of
israeli armed forces, israeli settlers and, in general, the israeli people.
Israeli politicians seem to play a deadly game: they support the settler
movement, keep palestinians in two huge israeli versions of the Warsaw
ghetto and probably support Hamas.
In the end, either Israel deports palestinians, like germans did to several
ethnic groups, or risks a civil war.
Didn't those fools learn anything from history ?
Hélder M. Vieira
JGB
I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree. Yes, I learned something
from the Holocaust my family went through: kill or be killed. Talk is
fine, at the surrender negotiations of your mortal enemies.
BTW, after WWII some 12-15 million Germans were ethnically cleansed
out of Poland, Czechoslovakia, the Baltic states and other parts of
Eastern Europe, and a substantial part of what had been Germany was
annexed by Poland.
Ed
<twisted version of recorded history snipped>
> Didn't those fools learn anything from history ?
It's obvious that you haven't.
Hélder M. Vieira
> I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree. Yes, I learned something
> from the Holocaust my family went through: kill or be killed. Talk is
> fine, at the surrender negotiations of your mortal enemies.
Hmm... Exactly what a palestinian would say, wouldn't you agree ?
> BTW, after WWII some 12-15 million Germans were ethnically cleansed
> out of Poland, Czechoslovakia, the Baltic states and other parts of
> Eastern Europe, and a substantial part of what had been Germany was
> annexed by Poland.
Meaning Germany should never have started its racially-driven expansion.
Now that's something the settler movement should be told, before it's too
late.
Like an israeli newspaper put it recently, Israel is becoming hostage of the
settler movement.
Hélder M. Vieira
Hélder M. Vieira
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>
> <twisted version of recorded history snipped>
>
> > Didn't those fools learn anything from history ?
>
> It's obvious that you haven't.
Could you please elaborate ?
Hélder M. Vieira
Ed
"Hélder M. Vieira" <h...@mail.telepac.pt> wrote in message
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With thanks to Mickey,
please check this link: http://www.infoclick.org/nutshell3.html
Ed
>
>
JGB
Well, Israel has offered to negotiate the settlement issue, along
with all the others. Don't Jews have the right to live in Judah?
Arabs live in Israel. They could become citizens of a Palestinian
state.
>
>
> Hélder M. Vieira