UKRAP Confirms It's A Meaningless, Single Issue Distraction !
Chris X
the only thing wrong with Britain is that we are in the EU. Vote BNP - the
only *genuine* opposition Party !
http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/news/articles/PA_NEWA68362331113122522A00?source=
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The eurosceptic UK Independence Party has offered to give a free run in the
upcoming General Election to any Conservative or Labour candidate who
declared they want to take Britain out of the European Union.
Ukip MEP Nigel Farage said the party would not run against any candidates
from the major parties who publicly stated their intention to seek Britain's
withdrawal from the EU's political structures...
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of Normandy in 1944 could see what Britain would be like at the end of this
century, they would not have got 50 yards up the beach. I think they would
have given up in disgust.
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Gavin Ayling
> The eurosceptic UK Independence Party has offered to give a free run in the
> upcoming General Election to any Conservative or Labour candidate who
> declared they want to take Britain out of the European Union.
>
> Ukip MEP Nigel Farage said the party would not run against any candidates
> from the major parties who publicly stated their intention to seek Britain's
> withdrawal from the EU's political structures...
Actually, what this proves is that UKIP accepts that the
first-past-the-post system requires the vote not to be split on an issue
of such grave importance.
--
Gavin Ayling
Chris X
"Gavin Ayling" <sp...@gavweb.net> wrote in message
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> Chris X wrote:
>> The eurosceptic UK Independence Party has offered to give a free run in
>> the upcoming General Election to any Conservative or Labour candidate who
>> declared they want to take Britain out of the European Union.
>>
>> Ukip MEP Nigel Farage said the party would not run against any candidates
>> from the major parties who publicly stated their intention to seek
>> Britain's withdrawal from the EU's political structures...
>
> Actually, what this proves is that UKIP accepts that the
> first-past-the-post system requires the vote not to be split on an issue
> of such grave importance.
It proves that UKRAP are nothing more than clapped-out tories who are such
gutless whimpering crybabies that they lacked the courage to embrace
nationalism in case they upset their "bosses" in big business.
leighton Jones
"Chris X" <Chr...@postmaster.co.uk> wrote in message
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Chris, As I've tried to point out before:
It's all about baggage!
If you really do want to make a difference, get out of the BNP, with their
baggage they are too easy to target and ridicule!
The BNP will never be taken seriously!
Cheers LJ.
Chris X
"leighton Jones" <leigh...@virgin.net> wrote in message
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Neither will your claim of a having a modicum of political knowledge until
you wise up and realise what British Nationalism is and what it isn't -
here's a free clue - UKRAP are *not* nationalists.
Next.
leighton Jones
Where did I say that they were?
What I said is that the BNP have too much baggage to ever be a serious
threat politically.
You'd do better else where, if you are serious about making a real
difference.
I honestly believe that if some-one started a new Nationalist Party now ,
this second, and kept it "clean" , allowing no-one in with too much baggage,
that new Nationalist Party would have more support in the Election after
next than the BNP will ever had.
It's not the Nationalism that puts peoples back up, its the Baggage!
Cheers LJ.
Chris X
It's been done, as you well know. The Third Way have very little clout -
very few people have even heard of them.
I find myself in agreement with just about everything they stand for but ...
no, they just don't have the membership or profile !
leighton Jones
Or Baggage!
Clean slate , so to speak!
Cheers LJ.
Gavin Ayling
'Clapped out' is by no means proven, and the fact that they will not
stand against euro-sceptic Labour PPCs suggests they are not Tories. It
does not take courage to embrace Nationalism (just try looking for
cowardly Nationalists in history and you shall find them) and neither
does what you have said should that their 'bosses' is their reasoning -
anti-EU-ism is clearly their motivation.
The Tories remain the best prospect for Britain at the election, however.
Chris X
> Chris X wrote:
>> "Gavin Ayling" <sp...@gavweb.net> wrote in message
>> news:42595eb1$1...@x-privat.org...
>>
>>>Chris X wrote:
>>>
>>>>The eurosceptic UK Independence Party has offered to give a free run in
>>>>the upcoming General Election to any Conservative or Labour candidate
>>>>who declared they want to take Britain out of the European Union.
>>>>
>>>>Ukip MEP Nigel Farage said the party would not run against any
>>>>candidates from the major parties who publicly stated their intention to
>>>>seek Britain's withdrawal from the EU's political structures...
>>>
>>>Actually, what this proves is that UKIP accepts that the
>>>first-past-the-post system requires the vote not to be split on an issue
>>>of such grave importance.
>>
>> It proves that UKRAP are nothing more than clapped-out tories who are
>> such gutless whimpering crybabies that they lacked the courage to embrace
>> nationalism in case they upset their "bosses" in big business.
>
> 'Clapped out' is by no means proven, and the fact that they will not stand
> against euro-sceptic Labour PPCs suggests they are not Tories.
Euro-sceptic PPCs can be counted on the fingers of one hand.
> It does not take courage to embrace Nationalism
That's a cracker, Gav !
> (just try looking for cowardly Nationalists in history and you shall find
> them)
Cowardly in *your* opinion is what you should have written.
>and neither does what you have said should that their 'bosses' is their
>reasoning - anti-EU-ism is clearly their motivation.
Only the bosses can gain from that, under the present system.
> The Tories remain the best prospect for Britain at the election, however.
Well, you *would* say that .... are you a Scottish tory, by the way ? A
real one, I mean ?
Chris X
"leighton Jones" <leigh...@virgin.net> wrote in message
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>
> "Chris X" <Chr...@postmaster.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:1YKdnYxqbNW...@giganews.com...
>>> I honestly believe that if some-one started a new Nationalist Party now
>>> , this second, and kept it "clean" , allowing no-one in with too much
>>> baggage, that new Nationalist Party would have more support in the
>>> Election after next than the BNP will ever had.
>>
>> It's been done, as you well know. The Third Way have very little clout -
>> very few people have even heard of them.
>> I find myself in agreement with just about everything they stand for but
>> ... no, they just don't have the membership or profile !
>
> Or Baggage!
> Clean slate , so to speak!
They formed in 1990, Jones, and what have they achieved ? Nothing. But
that's the way you and your ilk like to see nationalist parties - unheard of
or better still - dead. That's why you fear the British National Party.
Everyone knows who we are and we're not going to go away. On the contrary,
in fact ....
Gavin Ayling
> "Gavin Ayling" <sp...@gavweb.net> wrote in message
> news:42596...@x-privat.org...
>
>>Chris X wrote:
>>
>>>"Gavin Ayling" <sp...@gavweb.net> wrote in message
>>>news:42595eb1$1...@x-privat.org...
>>>
>>>
>>>>Chris X wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>The eurosceptic UK Independence Party has offered to give a free run in
>>>>>the upcoming General Election to any Conservative or Labour candidate
>>>>>who declared they want to take Britain out of the European Union.
>>>>>
>>>>>Ukip MEP Nigel Farage said the party would not run against any
>>>>>candidates from the major parties who publicly stated their intention to
>>>>>seek Britain's withdrawal from the EU's political structures...
>>>>
>>>>Actually, what this proves is that UKIP accepts that the
>>>>first-past-the-post system requires the vote not to be split on an issue
>>>>of such grave importance.
>>>
>>>It proves that UKRAP are nothing more than clapped-out tories who are
>>>such gutless whimpering crybabies that they lacked the courage to embrace
>>>nationalism in case they upset their "bosses" in big business.
>>
>>'Clapped out' is by no means proven, and the fact that they will not stand
>>against euro-sceptic Labour PPCs suggests they are not Tories.
>
> Euro-sceptic PPCs can be counted on the fingers of one hand.
So? Would a Tory really not stand against a Labour PPC in any event?
>
>>It does not take courage to embrace Nationalism
>
> That's a cracker, Gav !
>
>>(just try looking for cowardly Nationalists in history and you shall find
>>them)
>
> Cowardly in *your* opinion is what you should have written.
You first spoke of cowardice.
>
>>and neither does what you have said should that their 'bosses' is their
>>reasoning - anti-EU-ism is clearly their motivation.
>
> Only the bosses can gain from that, under the present system.
If so, why are so many Labour MPs in favour of the EU?
>
>>The Tories remain the best prospect for Britain at the election, however.
>
>
> Well, you *would* say that .... are you a Scottish tory, by the way ? A
> real one, I mean ?
>
Not a Scottish Tory, but a Tory, yes!
Chris X
Yes, the former tories' cowardice.
>>>and neither does what you have said should that their 'bosses' is their
>>>reasoning - anti-EU-ism is clearly their motivation.
>>
>> Only the bosses can gain from that, under the present system.
>
> If so, why are so many Labour MPs in favour of the EU?
Erm ... Because NuLabCur is a faction of the OPWTN, which is in the pockets
of big business.
>>>The Tories remain the best prospect for Britain at the election, however.
>>
>> Well, you *would* say that .... are you a Scottish tory, by the way ? A
>> real one, I mean ?
> Not a Scottish Tory, but a Tory, yes!
Oh, just wondered what all the preoccupation with the Scottish tories was
about in your sig, that's all ....
Gavin Ayling
Okay, to humour you, why would the Tories need to be brave to embrace
Nationalism which, to be frank, is to Conservatism what chalk is to cheese.
>
>>>>and neither does what you have said should that their 'bosses' is their
>>>>reasoning - anti-EU-ism is clearly their motivation.
>>>
>>>Only the bosses can gain from that, under the present system.
>>
>>If so, why are so many Labour MPs in favour of the EU?
>
>
> Erm ... Because NuLabCur is a faction of the OPWTN, which is in the pockets
> of big business.
Re-read it Chris. I said that anti-EI-ism is their motivation which you
said was to the bosses gain and now you are saying that because OPWTN is
in the pocket of big business, they are bound to be EU-philes... bizarre.
>
>>>>The Tories remain the best prospect for Britain at the election, however.
>>>
>>>Well, you *would* say that .... are you a Scottish tory, by the way ? A
>>>real one, I mean ?
>>
>>Not a Scottish Tory, but a Tory, yes!
>
>
> Oh, just wondered what all the preoccupation with the Scottish tories was
> about in your sig, that's all ....
There's no preoccupation. The URL is where the image is stored and
nothing to do with the content of the target.
Chris X
Well, not really. It's win-win for big business under the OPWTN.
And lose-lose for the British people.
>>>>>The Tories remain the best prospect for Britain at the election,
>>>>>however.
>>>>
>>>>Well, you *would* say that .... are you a Scottish tory, by the way ? A
>>>>real one, I mean ?
>>>
>>>Not a Scottish Tory, but a Tory, yes!
>>
>> Oh, just wondered what all the preoccupation with the Scottish tories was
>> about in your sig, that's all ....
>
> There's no preoccupation. The URL is where the image is stored and nothing
> to do with the content of the target.
Oh right, I didn't realise it was actually meant to mean something.
Gavin Ayling
>>
*Readers, please note that Chris X has not deemed it necessary to answer
this question*
>>>>>>and neither does what you have said should that their 'bosses' is their
>>>>>>reasoning - anti-EU-ism is clearly their motivation.
>>>>>
>>>>>Only the bosses can gain from that, under the present system.
>>>>
>>>>If so, why are so many Labour MPs in favour of the EU?
>>>
>>>Erm ... Because NuLabCur is a faction of the OPWTN, which is in the
>>>pockets of big business.
>>
>>Re-read it Chris. I said that anti-EU-ism is their motivation which you
>>said was to the bosses gain and now you are saying that because OPWTN is
>>in the pocket of big business, they are bound to be EU-philes... bizarre.
>
>
> Well, not really. It's win-win for big business under the OPWTN.
> And lose-lose for the British people.
Which has nothing to do with the EU.
Mark Williams
"leighton Jones" wrote in message...
>
> It's all about baggage!
Pot, kettle, Blair, WMD, 'nuff said.
Stephen Glynn
Steve
Chris X
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Yes.
Tom Sacold
the
> upcoming General Election to any Conservative or Labour candidate who
> declared they want to take Britain out of the European Union.
>
> Ukip MEP Nigel Farage said the party would not run against any candidates
> from the major parties who publicly stated their intention to seek
Britain's
> withdrawal from the EU's political structures...
>
Excellent !!!!
Chris X
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Chris X
"Paul Hyett" <p...@nojunkmailplease.co.uk> wrote in message
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> In uk.politics.misc on Sun, 10 Apr 2005 at 18:08:37, Chris X wrote :
>
>>Proof, if any were needed, that this pathetic collection of nobodies think
>>the only thing wrong with Britain is that we are in the EU.
>
With just cause ....
http://www.bnp.org.uk/policies/policies.htm
LAW AND ORDER - crack down on crime!
The BNP will crack down on crime and restore public safety and confidence.
We will free the police and courts from the politically correct straitjacket
that is stopping them from doing their job properly. The liberal fixation
with the 'rights' of criminals must be replaced by concern for the rights of
victims, and the right of innocent people not to become victims. We support
the re-introduction of corporal punishment for petty criminals and vandals,
and the restoration of capital punishment for paedophiles, terrorists and
murderers as an option for judges in cases where their guilt is proven
beyond dispute, as by DNA evidence or being caught red-handed.
ECONOMY - British workers first!
Globalisation, with its export of jobs to the Third World, is bringing ruin
and unemployment to British industries and the communities that depend on
them. Accordingly, the BNP calls for the selective exclusion of foreign-made
goods from British markets and the reduction of foreign imports. We will
ensure that our manufactured goods are, wherever possible, produced in
British factories, employing British workers. When this is done,
unemployment in this country will be brought to an end, and secure,
well-paid employment will flourish, at last getting our people back to work
and ending the waste and injustice of having more than 4 million people in a
hidden army of the unemployed concealed by Labour's statistical fiddles. We
further believe that British industry, commerce, land and other economic and
natural assets belong in the final analysis to the British nation and
people. To that end we will restore our economy and land to British
ownership. We also call for preference in the job market to be given to
native Britons. We will take active steps to break up the socially,
economically and politically damaging monopolies now being established by
the supermarket giants. Finally we will seek to give British workers a stake
in the success and prosperity of the enterprises whose profits their labour
creates by encouraging worker shareholder and co-operative schemes.
EDUCATION - discipline, standards, achievement!
We are against the 'trendy' teaching methods that have made Britain one of
the most poorly educated nations in Europe. We will end the practice of
politically correct indoctrination in all its guises and we will restore
discipline in the classroom, give authority back to teachers and put far
greater emphasis on training young people in the industrial and
technological skills necessary in the modern world. We will also seek to
instill in our young people knowledge of and pride in the history, cultures
and heritage of the native peoples of Britain.
AGRICULTURE - quality before quantity!
We see a strong, healthy agriculture sector as vital to the country.
Britain's farming industry will be encouraged to produce a much greater part
of the nation's need in food products. Priority will be switched from
quantity to quality, as we move from competing in a global economy to
maximum self-sufficiency for Britain. We will ensure a major shift to
healthier and more sustainable organic farming. We are pledged to ensure the
restoration of Britain's once great fishing industry with the reimposition
of the former exclusion zones around our coast.
HEALTH - first-class healthcare for all!
We are wholly committed to a free, fully funded National Health Service for
all British citizens. We will revitalise the Health Service by boosting
staff and bed numbers, slashing unnecessary bureaucracy and by addressing
the root cause of low recruitment and retention - low pay. We will see to it
that no money is given in foreign aid while our own hospitals are short of
beds and the staff to run them. More emphasis must be placed on healthy
living with greater understanding of sickness prevention through physical
exercise, a healthier environment and improved diets.
TRANSPORT - time to invest!
Increased investment is needed in Britain's public transport system to bring
it up to the highest standards in the world. The fiasco of rail
privatisation with different companies running services and track leading to
higher fares and lower safety also needs to be resolved. Congestion of our
towns and cities must be eased by the provision of greater incentives to use
rail and bus transport instead of private cars. The first step is to end the
crime and squalor that puts so many people off public transport. Motorists
must not be made the scapegoats for government failure. Fuel tax should be
cut, motorway speed limits raised, and hidden speed cameras should be
banned. Far more must be done to encourage the development and use of
cleaner fuels.
ENVIRONMENT - a cleaner, greener future!
Our ideal for Britain is that of a clean, beautiful country, free of
pollution in all its forms. We will enforce standards to curb those
practices, whether by business or the individual, which cause environmental
damage. "The polluter pays to clean up the mess" must become a fact of life,
not an electioneering slogan. In towns we would work to replace the
brutalist modernism of 1960s-style-architecture with a blend of traditional
local styles and materials and ensure that developments take place on a more
human scale.
FOREIGN AID - time to spend our money on our own people!
We reject the idea that Britain must forever be obliged to subsidise the
incompetence and corruption of Third World states by supplying them with
financial aid. We will link foreign aid with our voluntary resettlement
policy, whereby those nations taking significant numbers of people back to
their homelands will need cash to help absorb those returning. The billions
of pounds saved every year by this policy will also be reallocated to vital
services in Britain.
PENSIONERS - pensioners before asylum seekers!
The conditions in which many of Britain's old people are forced to live are
a national disgrace. We are pledged to ensure that all our old folk are able
to live in comfortable homes, and will restore the earnings link with
pensions. Elderly people who have paid a lifetime of taxes and reared
families should not have to sell their homes to pay for care.
NORTHERN IRELAND - an end to sectarianism!
Britain has shamefully allowed the terrorists in N.I. to come close to
winning when the IRA could have been destroyed years ago. Government
weakness has led to hundreds of deaths and given those same terrorists a
share in government. We would end all attempts to force the people of
Northern Ireland to accept foreign interference in their affairs and deal
with terrorism - from whatever side - once and for all. No one with links to
a terrorist organisation that refuses to lay down its arms should be allowed
to enter government. We would abolish state-supported segregation in
education. In the long run, we wish to end the conflict in Ireland by
welcoming Eire as well as Ulster as equal partners in a federation of the
nations of the British Isles.
DEFENCE - no more cuts!
Successive cuts in defence spending have left Britain's armed forces
perilously weak. We will boost Britain's armed forces to ensure that they
are able to deal with any emergency, and defend our homeland and our
independence. We will bring our troops back from Germany and withdraw from
NATO, since recent political developments make both commitments obsolete. We
will close all foreign military bases on British soil, and refuse to risk
British lives in meddling 'peace-keeping' missions in parts of the world
where no British interests are at stake - a position of armed neutrality. We
will also restore national service for our young with the option of civil or
military service.
FOREIGN AFFAIRS - Britain's interests first!
Britain's foreign relations should be determined by the protection of our
own national interest and not by our like or dislike of other nations'
internal politics. We would have no quarrel with any nation that does not
threaten British interests. We will maintain an independent foreign policy
of our own, and not a spineless subservience to the USA, the 'international
community', or any other country.
DEMOCRACY - letting the people decide!
The British people invented modern Parliamentary democracy. Yet in recent
years the British people have been denied their democratic rights. On issue
after issue, the views of the majority of British people have been ignored
and overridden by a Politically Correct 'élite' which thinks it knows best.
On immigration, on Capital Punishment, on the surrender of British
sovereignty to the EU and in numerous other areas, democracy has been absent
as Labour, Tories and Lib-Dems conspire in election after election to offer
the British people no real choice on such vital issues. The BNP exists to
give the British people, that choice, and thus to restore and defend the
basic democratic rights we have all been denied. We favour more democracy,
not less, not just at national but at regional and local level. Power should
be devolved to the lowest level possible so that local communities can make
decisions which affect them. We will remove legal curbs on freedom of speech
imposed by successive Governments over the last 40 years. We will implement
a Bill of Rights guaranteeing fundamental freedoms to the British people. We
will ensure that ordinary British people have real democratic power over
their own lives and that Government, local and national, is truly
accountable to the people who elect it.
EUROPE - back to British independence!
We are opposed to the Single European Currency, and support the overwhelming
majority of the British people in their desire to keep the Pound and our
traditional weights and measures. At the same time, we are for the best
possible relationship with our European neighbours and believe that the
nations of Europe should be free to trade and cooperate whenever it is
mutually beneficial, though without being forced into a political and
economic straitjacket - political unification. Accordingly, we stand for
British withdrawal from the European Union. In place of the EU, we intend to
aim towards greater national self-sufficiency, and to work to restore
Britain's family and trading ties with Australia, Canada and New Zealand,
and to trade with the rest of the world as it suits us. Following our
withdrawal from the EU, the BNP will use the £43 million per day net
contribution Britain at present makes to the European Union to fund many far
more useful projects at home.
IMMIGRATION - time to say ENOUGH!
On current demographic trends, we, the native British people, will be an
ethnic minority in our own country within sixty years. To ensure that this
does not happen, and that the British people retain their homeland and
identity, we call for an immediate halt to all further immigration, the
immediate deportation of criminal and illegal immigrants, and the
introduction of a system of voluntary resettlement whereby those immigrants
who are legally here will be afforded the opportunity to return to their
lands of ethnic origin assisted by a generous financial incentives both for
individuals and for the countries in question. We will abolish the 'positive
discrimination' schemes that have made white Britons second-class citizens.
We will also clamp down on the flood of 'asylum seekers', all of whom are
either bogus or can find refuge much nearer their home countries.
Paul Hyett
>Proof, if any were needed, that this pathetic collection of nobodies think
>the only thing wrong with Britain is that we are in the EU.
BNP condemns a single-issue party... :)
--
Paul Hyett, Cheltenham
Gavin Ayling
> To that end we will restore our economy and land to British
> ownership.
How Mugabe?
--
Gavin Ayling
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Chris X
> Chris X wrote:
>
>> To that end we will restore our economy and land to British ownership.
>
> How Mugabe?
You're angry about developments in Folkestone ;))
Wave "bye bye" to that nice Mr Hecht ....