UKIP show their true colours...

[Bill]

http://www.thisislincolnshire.co.uk/UKIP-members-Lincolnshire-County-Council-refuse/story-19015707-detail/story.html#axzz2TxI3KKMg

[Mel Rowing]

On 21 May, 20:04, Bill <blackuse...@gmail.com> wrote:

> http://www.thisislincolnshire.co.uk/UKIP-members-Lincolnshire-County-...

I should think so too!

I would be insulted by any suggestion that I were racist.

At the same time, if I were taking up residence in an essentially non
English speaking country I would go to the trouble of trying to pick
up the rudiments of the language spoken. Making reading material
available in a multitude of languages is no way to promote racial
harmony. On the contrary it perpetuates separation which will
exacerbate it.

If these people want a translation of the Council newsletter (that
most people bin anyway!) then surely they know someone in their
community who can help them without is costing the taxpayer
translation fees. Indeed if they got such a friend to lend them a hand
to wade through it then they might enhance their English language
skills somewhat.

[White Spirit]

I agree. It's a shame that the people who support the racism witch-hunt
are unable to look at the matter sensibly. All they see are victims and
perpetrators and nothing of logic and reason.

[Ophelia]

"Mel Rowing" <mel.r...@btinternet.com> wrote in message
news:e619feab-6225-419e...@j7g2000vbj.googlegroups.com...

+1

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[DVH]

On 21/05/2013 20:04, Bill wrote:
> http://www.thisislincolnshire.co.uk/UKIP-members-Lincolnshire-County-Council-refuse/story-19015707-detail/story.html#axzz2TxI3KKMg
>

Where is this alleged anti-racism announcement?

Why haven't they signed a document about cruelty to animals?

When is UKIP going to declare they condemn bear baiting?

Where is your declaration that you've given up beating your wife?

[Bill]

On Tue, 21 May 2013 21:33:51 +0100, DVH <d...@vhvhvhvh.com> wrote:

>On 21/05/2013 20:04, Bill wrote:
>> http://www.thisislincolnshire.co.uk/UKIP-members-Lincolnshire-County-Council-refuse/story-19015707-detail/story.html#axzz2TxI3KKMg
>>
>
>Where is this alleged anti-racism announcement?

No idea, on the council web site I assume but I haven't seen it.

I did find this, which is actually pretty reasonable.

http://antiracistnetwork.wordpress.com/2007/03/12/lincolnshire-county-council-declaration/

Remember Lincolnshire is Tory controlled...

>Why haven't they signed a document about cruelty to animals?

Reasonably obviously because no animals in the area pay council tax...

>When is UKIP going to declare they condemn bear baiting?

I assume they will when bears start paying council tax

[saracene]

On May 21, 9:33 pm, DVH <d...@vhvhvhvh.com> wrote:
> On 21/05/2013 20:04, Bill wrote:
>

> >http://www.thisislincolnshire.co.uk/UKIP-members-Lincolnshire-County-...

>
> Where is this alleged anti-racism announcement?
>
> Why haven't they signed a document about cruelty to animals?
>
> When is UKIP going to declare they condemn bear baiting?
>
> Where is your declaration that you've given up beating your wife?

Would the Labour party be happy at having to sign a pledge that they
were not communists?
Personally I don;t care what label people want to attach to my
beliefs. If not liking the idea of your daughter marrying a big buck
nigger is racist then I suspect most Englishmen are.

[Bill]

On Tue, 21 May 2013 13:48:53 -0700 (PDT), saracene
<john...@gmail.com> wrote:

>On May 21, 9:33�pm, DVH <d...@vhvhvhvh.com> wrote:
>> On 21/05/2013 20:04, Bill wrote:
>>
>> >http://www.thisislincolnshire.co.uk/UKIP-members-Lincolnshire-County-...
>>
>> Where is this alleged anti-racism announcement?
>>
>> Why haven't they signed a document about cruelty to animals?
>>
>> When is UKIP going to declare they condemn bear baiting?
>>
>> Where is your declaration that you've given up beating your wife?
>
>Would the Labour party be happy at having to sign a pledge that they
>were not communists?

Well any who want any sort of security clearance have to be.

Just sort through those who have become Privy Councilors...

> If not liking the idea of your daughter marrying a big buck
>nigger is racist then I suspect most Englishmen are.

You're certainly a racist...

It seems most people, discounting your disgusting language, don't
care.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2046197/British-population-Are-mixed-race-people-Britains-biggest-ethnic-minority.html

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2245406/Jessica-Ennis-hailed-face-todays-Britain-census-figures-reveal-mixed-race-rise.html

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-1265949/Mixed-race-people-attractive-finds-British-study.html

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-430383/Rapid-rise-number-mixed-race-Britons.html

I do hope you noticed that all references are from that bastion of
support for mixed race marriages, the Daily Mail...

[yttiw]

Keep up the shit-stirring.

It just goes to show how much of a panic UKIP have generated in the "we
thought we had this political thing all sewn up to our advantage" set.

Ha, ha, ha

When the character assasinations have failed, what will you resort to?
Mass killings?

[Bill]

On Tue, 21 May 2013 22:05:12 +0100, yttiw <cud...@britpost.com>
wrote:

Lack of content noted.

[DVH]

On 21/05/2013 21:48, Bill wrote:
> On Tue, 21 May 2013 21:33:51 +0100, DVH <d...@vhvhvhvh.com> wrote:
>
>> On 21/05/2013 20:04, Bill wrote:
>>> http://www.thisislincolnshire.co.uk/UKIP-members-Lincolnshire-County-Council-refuse/story-19015707-detail/story.html#axzz2TxI3KKMg
>>>
>>
>> Where is this alleged anti-racism announcement?
>
> No idea, on the council web site I assume but I haven't seen it.
>
> I did find this, which is actually pretty reasonable.
>
> http://antiracistnetwork.wordpress.com/2007/03/12/lincolnshire-county-council-declaration/
>

It says "Wouldn't you love to see a statement like this adopted by every
local authority".

Not really. Pompous declarations are nothing compared to actually making
things happen.

It has eleven clauses and they all say the same thing in a different way.

If there was evidence that such a measure had the effect I want, then
I'd be behind it.

(The effect I want is for grandstanding leftists to quit discriminating
between races and start treating people as human beings - not as members
of some "community" that can be divided and patronised.)

[saracene]

On May 21, 9:56 pm, Bill <blackuse...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Tue, 21 May 2013 13:48:53 -0700 (PDT), saracene
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> <john....@gmail.com> wrote:
> >On May 21, 9:33 pm, DVH <d...@vhvhvhvh.com> wrote:
> >> On 21/05/2013 20:04, Bill wrote:
>
> >> >http://www.thisislincolnshire.co.uk/UKIP-members-Lincolnshire-County-...
>
> >> Where is this alleged anti-racism announcement?
>
> >> Why haven't they signed a document about cruelty to animals?
>
> >> When is UKIP going to declare they condemn bear baiting?
>
> >> Where is your declaration that you've given up beating your wife?
>
> >Would the Labour party be happy at having to sign a pledge that they
> >were not communists?
>
> Well any who want any sort of security clearance have to be.
>
> Just sort through those who have become Privy Councilors...
>
> > If not liking the idea of your daughter marrying a big buck
> >nigger is racist then I suspect most Englishmen are.
>
> You're certainly a racist...

On your definition maybe but that is worth nothing at all.

>
> It seems most people,  discounting your disgusting language,  don't
> care.
>

We are a nation of hypocrites. That includes you.

[saracene]

On Tuesday, 21 May 2013 21:56:44 UTC+1, Bill wrote:
> On Tue, 21 May 2013 13:48:53 -0700 (PDT), saracene
>

>
>

> >Would the Labour party be happy at having to sign a pledge that they
>
> >were not communists?
>
>
>
> Well any who want any sort of security clearance have to be.

If it were done like this we would soon hear the cries of McCarthyism.
>
>

[White Spirit]

On 21/05/13 22:47, saracene wrote:

> We are a nation of hypocrites. That includes you.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D-2NQnxDDJE

[abelard]

On Tue, 21 May 2013 13:03:04 -0700 (PDT), Mel Rowing
<mel.r...@btinternet.com> wrote:

>On 21 May, 20:04, Bill <blackuse...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> http://www.thisislincolnshire.co.uk/UKIP-members-Lincolnshire-County-...
>
>I should think so too!
>
>I would be insulted by any suggestion that I were racist.
>
>At the same time, if I were taking up residence in an essentially non
>English speaking country I would go to the trouble of trying to pick
>up the rudiments of the language spoken. Making reading material
>available in a multitude of languages is no way to promote racial
>harmony. On the contrary it perpetuates separation which will
>exacerbate it.

that's a neat post...a bit of logic that seems to be escaping
politicians.
a sane statesman educates society...he does not seek to exploit
victimology and emotion...

only a venal politician tries to exploit ignorance...

but no informed person would vote socialist....thus it is essential
to dumb down the discourse and education is the likes of milipede
are to have any hope of power...

'if the people do not want socialism they must be misled into voting
socialist by a side issue'.....quintin hogg, 1945

[Bill]

On Tue, 21 May 2013 22:27:06 +0100, DVH <d...@vhvhvhvh.com> wrote:

>On 21/05/2013 21:48, Bill wrote:
>> On Tue, 21 May 2013 21:33:51 +0100, DVH <d...@vhvhvhvh.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On 21/05/2013 20:04, Bill wrote:
>>>> http://www.thisislincolnshire.co.uk/UKIP-members-Lincolnshire-County-Council-refuse/story-19015707-detail/story.html#axzz2TxI3KKMg
>>>>
>>>
>>> Where is this alleged anti-racism announcement?
>>
>> No idea, on the council web site I assume but I haven't seen it.
>>
>> I did find this, which is actually pretty reasonable.
>>
>> http://antiracistnetwork.wordpress.com/2007/03/12/lincolnshire-county-council-declaration/
>>
>
>It says "Wouldn't you love to see a statement like this adopted by every
>local authority".
>
>Not really. Pompous declarations are nothing compared to actually making
>things happen.
>
>It has eleven clauses and they all say the same thing in a different way.
>
>If there was evidence that such a measure had the effect I want, then
>I'd be behind it.

Agreed.

>(The effect I want is for grandstanding leftists to quit discriminating
>between races and start treating people as human beings - not as members
>of some "community" that can be divided and patronised.)

It's a Tory council, and has been for years.

[Bill]

On Tue, 21 May 2013 14:47:25 -0700 (PDT), saracene
<john...@gmail.com> wrote:

>On May 21, 9:56�pm, Bill <blackuse...@gmail.com> wrote:

>> On Tue, 21 May 2013 13:48:53 -0700 (PDT), saracene
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> <john....@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >On May 21, 9:33 pm, DVH <d...@vhvhvhvh.com> wrote:
>> >> On 21/05/2013 20:04, Bill wrote:
>>
>> >> >http://www.thisislincolnshire.co.uk/UKIP-members-Lincolnshire-County-...
>>
>> >> Where is this alleged anti-racism announcement?
>>
>> >> Why haven't they signed a document about cruelty to animals?
>>
>> >> When is UKIP going to declare they condemn bear baiting?
>>
>> >> Where is your declaration that you've given up beating your wife?
>>
>> >Would the Labour party be happy at having to sign a pledge that they
>> >were not communists?
>>
>> Well any who want any sort of security clearance have to be.
>>
>> Just sort through those who have become Privy Councilors...
>>
>> > If not liking the idea of your daughter marrying a big buck
>> >nigger is racist then I suspect most Englishmen are.
>>
>> You're certainly a racist...
>

>On your definition maybe but that is worth nothing at all.
>>

>> It seems most people, �discounting your disgusting language, �don't
>> care.
>>
>

>We are a nation of hypocrites. That includes you.

And you, it seems, are a technical illiterate...

[Bill]

Vetting forms require the applicant for the clearance to declare that
they're neither a Fascist nor a Communist nor a member of any group
that wishes to overthrow the democratic form of government.

[abelard]

On Tue, 21 May 2013 23:46:35 +0100, Bill <black...@gmail.com>

wrote:

>On Tue, 21 May 2013 14:57:54 -0700 (PDT), saracene
><john...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>On Tuesday, 21 May 2013 21:56:44 UTC+1, Bill wrote:
>>> On Tue, 21 May 2013 13:48:53 -0700 (PDT), saracene

>>> >Would the Labour party be happy at having to sign a pledge that they
>>>
>>> >were not communists?

>>> Well any who want any sort of security clearance have to be.
>>
>>If it were done like this we would soon hear the cries of McCarthyism.
>
>Vetting forms require the applicant for the clearance to declare that
>they're neither a Fascist nor a Communist nor a member of any group
>that wishes to overthrow the democratic form of government.

what use is that? socialists are allowed to lie for the advancement
of the cult

[Bill]

On Wed, 22 May 2013 00:49:54 +0200, abelard <abel...@abelard.org>

Well it's like this my little swivel eyed loon.

The government doesn't take the answers at face value and employs a
number of highly skilled investigators, often retired senior police
officers, to check the answers aren't lies.

This is undoubtedly tied together with the MI-5 Central registry to
produce the necessary result.

A parliamentary answer some years ago said something like two thirds
of all applicants fail Positive Vetting.

So while former Trotskyites like yourself will be found and
eliminated from the mix, normal rational people, like myself, would
be passed through with no problems...

[abelard]

On Tue, 21 May 2013 23:58:42 +0100, Bill <black...@gmail.com>

precisely....no-one can trust a socialist...just my point

>So while former Trotskyites like yourself will be found and
>eliminated from the mix, normal rational people, like myself, would
>be passed through with no problems...

yes, trotskyist is one of the standard boo words used by socialists...

it is used to refer to any perceived enemy...

stalin via his drones used it concerning socialists who wouldn't
submit to moscow and to right wingers like franco....

it's good to see you running true to your religion

[Bill]

On Wed, 22 May 2013 01:06:00 +0200, abelard <abel...@abelard.org>

The point is they don't trust anyone, especially swivel eyed loons...

>>So while former Trotskyites like yourself will be found and
>>eliminated from the mix, normal rational people, like myself, would
>>be passed through with no problems...
>
>yes, trotskyist is one of the standard boo words used by socialists...

Bollocks.

>it is used to refer to any perceived enemy...

I think you'll find the accepted term for their usual enemy is
'bloated capitalist'.

You know...

Yak herders...

>stalin via his drones used it concerning socialists who wouldn't
> submit to moscow and to right wingers like franco....

Years ago claiming that Stalin acknowledged that the Trots were
actually Socialists would have got you an ice-pick through the head

That you claim they are just confirms your background...

[abelard]

On Wed, 22 May 2013 00:26:50 +0100, Bill <black...@gmail.com>

it gratifies me when you start to squirm and wriggle...i get
a thrill up my leg

>>>So while former Trotskyites like yourself will be found and
>>>eliminated from the mix, normal rational people, like myself, would
>>>be passed through with no problems...
>>
>>yes, trotskyist is one of the standard boo words used by socialists...
>
>Bollocks.
>
>>it is used to refer to any perceived enemy...
>
>I think you'll find the accepted term for their usual enemy is
>'bloated capitalist'.

oh no...that's just one of a whole gallery

>You know...
>
>Yak herders...
>
>>stalin via his drones used it concerning socialists who wouldn't
>> submit to moscow and to right wingers like franco....
>
>Years ago claiming that Stalin acknowledged that the Trots were
>actually Socialists would have got you an ice-pick through the head
>
>That you claim they are just confirms your background...

you failed to read attentively

[Bill]

On Wed, 22 May 2013 01:29:48 +0200, abelard <abel...@abelard.org>
wrote:

>On Wed, 22 May 2013 00:26:50 +0100, Bill <black...@gmail.com>
>wrote:

>>Years ago claiming that Stalin acknowledged that the Trots were
>>actually Socialists would have got you an ice-pick through the head
>>
>>That you claim they are just confirms your background...
>
>you failed to read attentively

I read very attentively.

I imagine UKIP would dump you, never mind the Tories...

[True Blue]

On May 21, 8:04 pm, Bill <blackuse...@gmail.com> wrote:
> http://www.thisislincolnshire.co.uk/UKIP-members-Lincolnshire-County-...

If there's one thing this thread's demonstrated William, it's just how
marginalised your views are amongst ordinary people. You have posted a
link to some news which you believed would show your political enemies
in a bad light, but the news conveyed has only been met with approval.
You have no idea.

If it weren't for these principled people, the voters of Lincolnshire
would be ignorant of this particular piece of PC, blackmailing
nonsense. Well done those UKIP councillors.

[Basil Jet]

On 2013\05\21 20:04, Bill wrote:
> http://www.thisislincolnshire.co.uk/UKIP-members-Lincolnshire-County-Council-refuse/story-19015707-detail/story.html#axzz2TxI3KKMg

Looks like Labour showing their true colours to me, trying to bully the
virgin councillors into pledging to support the very thing they were
elected to oppose.

--
Ukip - Breaking the fungus of British politics

[saracene]

http://www.guardian.co.uk/society/2006/sep/13/health.healthandwellbeing

Nicholson has been with the NHS for 29 years. He joined as a graduate
trainee in the same year he joined the Communist party, which he then
saw as the best vehicle to take forward his passionate support for the
anti-apartheid struggle. He says he was not a Eurocommunist: he was
among the Tankies who did not see an ideological need to distance
themselves from Moscow. During the interview, the working-class lad
who has reached the top pokes fun at himself by asking how much of
this early baggage needs to appear on the civil service security
vetting form that is sitting on his desk awaiting his attention.
Perhaps former Communist John Reid, Patricia Hewitt's predecessor as
health secretary, might be in the best position to advise?

Nicholson drifted away from the Communist party and abandoned his
membership in 1983.

[Vidcapper]

On 21/05/2013 20:04, Bill wrote:
> http://www.thisislincolnshire.co.uk/UKIP-members-Lincolnshire-County-Council-refuse/story-19015707-detail/story.html#axzz2TxI3KKMg
>

I see nothing wrong with refusing to cow-tow to political correctness...

--
Regards,

Paul Hyett

[saracene]

On May 21, 11:45 pm, Bill <blackuse...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Tue, 21 May 2013 14:47:25 -0700 (PDT), saracene
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

> <john....@gmail.com> wrote:
> >On May 21, 9:56 pm, Bill <blackuse...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> On Tue, 21 May 2013 13:48:53 -0700 (PDT), saracene
>
> >> <john....@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >On May 21, 9:33 pm, DVH <d...@vhvhvhvh.com> wrote:
> >> >> On 21/05/2013 20:04, Bill wrote:
>
> >> >> >http://www.thisislincolnshire.co.uk/UKIP-members-Lincolnshire-County-...
>
> >> >> Where is this alleged anti-racism announcement?
>
> >> >> Why haven't they signed a document about cruelty to animals?
>
> >> >> When is UKIP going to declare they condemn bear baiting?
>
> >> >> Where is your declaration that you've given up beating your wife?
>
> >> >Would the Labour party be happy at having to sign a pledge that they
> >> >were not communists?
>
> >> Well any who want any sort of security clearance have to be.
>
> >> Just sort through those who have become Privy Councilors...
>
> >> > If not liking the idea of your daughter marrying a big buck
> >> >nigger is racist then I suspect most Englishmen are.
>
> >> You're certainly a racist...
>
> >On your definition maybe but that is worth nothing at all.
>
> >> It seems most people, discounting your disgusting language, don't
> >> care.
>
> >We are a nation  of hypocrites. That includes you.
>
> And you, it seems, are a technical illiterate...

Wanting to deprive certain ethnic groups of the vote is one thing. Not
feeling happy if your daughter wants to marry a big buck nigger is
quite another. To conflate the two is Newspeak, Equal opportunities
pledges are objectionable Marxist rubbish, and not just required of
people who need to be security vetted. They are vehicles of
ideological power for people of your persuasion.

I have been involved in discussion with some Americans who think this
video an appalling example of anti-white propaganda.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jz-_UqYAgzw

Personally I think it is fair and reasonable. I have come close to
being called a nigger lover.

[Vidcapper]

But if they *were*, how likely do you think they are to admit it?

--
Regards,

Paul Hyett

[Vidcapper]

I just said somethng similar, albeit without trying to score political
points in the process...

--
Regards,

Paul Hyett

[Vidcapper]

On 22/05/2013 00:06, abelard wrote:

>>
>> A parliamentary answer some years ago said something like two thirds
>> of all applicants fail Positive Vetting.
>
> precisely....no-one can trust a socialist...just my point

There you go again - automatically assuming that 'socialism' is at the
cause of all society's evils...

Did it even occur to you that there might be *other* reasons people
might fail the vetting process?


--
Regards,

Paul Hyett

[Vidcapper]

On 22/05/2013 05:07, True Blue wrote:
> On May 21, 8:04 pm, Bill <blackuse...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> http://www.thisislincolnshire.co.uk/UKIP-members-Lincolnshire-County-...
>
> If there's one thing this thread's demonstrated William, it's just how
> marginalised your views are amongst ordinary people. You have posted a
> link to some news which you believed would show your political enemies
> in a bad light, but the news conveyed has only been met with approval.
> You have no idea.

Which is exactly why the three main parties are running round like
headless chickens, in the face of a party which actually promises to
address some of their long-neglected concerns...


--
Regards,

Paul Hyett

[charlie61Ltd]

On Wed, 22 May 2013 01:06:00 +0200, abelard <abel...@abelard.org>

Positive vetting is a joke.
A complete joke.
Special branch files on people were full of complete garbage. I think
at one time they put about 12,000 files into the public domain. How
can two thirds of people who are subject to vetting be a threat to the
State. The files used to be full of complete rubbish - how anybody can
believe it's an efficient process is beyond me.
I remember talking to one chap who was responsible for the files in a
particular western democracy. The files they were keeping on MP's were
full of things like are the pot ducks on his wall doves of peace and
is he a pacifist. Even the Police found the files an embarrassment
when MP's requested there own files.
The process as well is a nonsense - if you are good conservative
that's nice and you are ok - you can of course be a conservative and a
nutcase.
I remember them vetting one chap and the usual things are of interest
like had he been substituted by the commies on a foreign posting,
where did he spend his weekends. He was completely mentally unbalanced
in an utterly bizarre way.
I just cannot believe that it is posible to defend the system.

[yttiw]

Lack of content noted.

[yttiw]

So you do approve of killings for those who do not share your views.

Thanks for confiming our suspicions.

[yttiw]

Lack of content noted

[abelard]

On Wed, 22 May 2013 08:18:56 +0100, Vidcapper <vidca...@yahoo.co.uk>
wrote:

>On 22/05/2013 00:06, abelard wrote:
>
>>>
>>> A parliamentary answer some years ago said something like two thirds
>>> of all applicants fail Positive Vetting.
>>
>> precisely....no-one can trust a socialist...just my point
>
>There you go again - automatically assuming that 'socialism' is at the
>cause of all society's evils...

don't be daffy...there are many other causes of societal 'ills'....

traffic accidents, murderers, tuberculosis, tornados, global warming,
tsunamis..the list goes on and on...
of course i do have to put socialism very high on the list of human
distressors...

>Did it even occur to you that there might be *other* reasons people
>might fail the vetting process?

you must attend to context!

i offered billie boy a worm on a line...he obligingly swallowed it
spectacular manner, complete with hook, line and half the rod...
how could one desist from frying him up for supper?

[abelard]

On Wed, 22 May 2013 09:27:36 +0100, charlie61Ltd <char...@mail.com>

i didn't expect to wake up faced by all this house work....

the point is that billie bob doesn't know that

>Special branch files on people were full of complete garbage. I think
>at one time they put about 12,000 files into the public domain. How
>can two thirds of people who are subject to vetting be a threat to the
>State. The files used to be full of complete rubbish - how anybody can
>believe it's an efficient process is beyond me.

you surely realise that really capable people rarely 'work' for
government

>I remember talking to one chap who was responsible for the files in a
>particular western democracy. The files they were keeping on MP's were
>full of things like are the pot ducks on his wall doves of peace and
>is he a pacifist. Even the Police found the files an embarrassment
>when MP's requested there own files.

without makework...3/4rs of the government bureaucracies
would evaporate

>The process as well is a nonsense - if you are good conservative
>that's nice and you are ok - you can of course be a conservative and a
>nutcase.

that i must certainly concede

>I remember them vetting one chap and the usual things are of interest
>like had he been substituted by the commies on a foreign posting,
>where did he spend his weekends. He was completely mentally unbalanced
>in an utterly bizarre way.

just can't get the staff :-)

>I just cannot believe that it is posible to defend the system.

the mediocre is the enemy of the perfect?

[abelard]

On Wed, 22 May 2013 08:16:02 +0100, Vidcapper <vidca...@yahoo.co.uk>
wrote:

i'm glad...your british restraint and sanctity is impressive indeed

[abelard]

On Wed, 22 May 2013 08:09:03 +0100, Vidcapper <vidca...@yahoo.co.uk>
wrote:

>On 21/05/2013 20:04, Bill wrote:
>> http://www.thisislincolnshire.co.uk/UKIP-members-Lincolnshire-County-Council-refuse/story-19015707-detail/story.html#axzz2TxI3KKMg
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>I see nothing wrong with refusing to cow-tow to political correctness...

Kowtow, which is borrowed from k�u t�u in Mandarin Chinese, is the act
of deep respect shown by prostration, that is, kneeling and bowing so
low as to have ...

wikipedia!

4x4 tow is something else

[charlie61Ltd]

On Wed, 22 May 2013 11:35:30 +0200, abelard <abel...@abelard.org>

Most British revolutionaries were not very bright.
I remember one of them who was shop steward repeatedly stirring up
trouble. He was also trying to convince the Company that he was unfit
as a result of terrible working conditions of doing any work at all.
This was the ultimate nirvana of the working class revolutionary.
He came into the office having built up a hefty pile of imaginary
injuries and explained how he could not stand, walk or bend.
A trap had been set for him retiring him on medical grounds on a
pension of about 2/6 a week and the letter had already been prepared.
I told how much his health was of paramount importance to the company
and he was astounded because in the past nobody had taken him
seriously.
He watched as my hand moved to my desk drawer and I simultaneously
rapidly explained he was being retired on medical grounds.
I have never seen a person recover from
injuries so fast and move at lightening speed out of the office.
Checking up on subversives was a sizable industry - except for a few
communist union organisers yer average rank and file members were
stupid or were using militancy as a route to higher pay.

[Bill]

On Wed, 22 May 2013 09:47:35 +0100, yttiw <cud...@britpost.com>
wrote:

There's plenty of content, mainly because he posted the same message
four times...

[Bill]

On Wed, 22 May 2013 00:12:27 -0700 (PDT), saracene
<john...@gmail.com> wrote:


>Wanting to deprive certain ethnic groups of the vote is one thing. Not
>feeling happy if your daughter wants to marry a big buck nigger is
>quite another.

And putting it in those terms is undoubtedly racist.

[Bill]

On Wed, 22 May 2013 09:52:16 +0100, yttiw <cud...@britpost.com>
wrote:

Once again, there is content, but I'm rapidly coming to the
conclusion that you're a bit too dim to work it out...

[Bill]

On Wed, 22 May 2013 09:51:32 +0100, yttiw <cud...@britpost.com>
wrote:

Lie

[Bill]

On Wed, 22 May 2013 09:27:36 +0100, charlie61Ltd <char...@mail.com>
wrote:

>Positive vetting is a joke.
>A complete joke.

So you failed it then...

>Special branch files on people were full of complete garbage. I think
>at one time they put about 12,000 files into the public domain. How
>can two thirds of people who are subject to vetting be a threat to the
>State. The files used to be full of complete rubbish - how anybody can
>believe it's an efficient process is beyond me.

Special Branch (I assume you actually mean the Metropolitan Police
Counter Terrorism Command or SO15 because there hasn't been a
Metropolitan Police Special Branch for some years now) do not carry
out positive vetting for anyone but other police officers in the
Metropolitan Police.

[Bill]

On Wed, 22 May 2013 08:14:53 +0100, Vidcapper <vidca...@yahoo.co.uk>
wrote:

I understand MI-5 now openly admits that they have the membership
lists for the Communist Party

[Bill]

On Tue, 21 May 2013 21:07:38 -0700 (PDT), True Blue
<garyb...@googlemail.com> wrote:

>On May 21, 8:04�pm, Bill <blackuse...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> http://www.thisislincolnshire.co.uk/UKIP-members-Lincolnshire-County-...
>
>If there's one thing this thread's demonstrated William, it's just how
>marginalised your views are amongst ordinary people.

'Ordinary people'!

Get a life son.

>If it weren't for these principled people, the voters of Lincolnshire
>would be ignorant of this particular piece of PC, blackmailing
>nonsense. Well done those UKIP councillors.

I keep repeating that Lincolnshire is Tory controlled and has been for
many years.

[Bill]

On Wed, 22 May 2013 05:26:48 +0100, Basil Jet <no...@none.spamspam.com>
wrote:

>On 2013\05\21 20:04, Bill wrote:
>> http://www.thisislincolnshire.co.uk/UKIP-members-Lincolnshire-County-Council-refuse/story-19015707-detail/story.html#axzz2TxI3KKMg
>
>Looks like Labour showing their true colours to me, trying to bully the
>virgin councillors into pledging to support the very thing they were
>elected to oppose.

It's a Tory controlled council, and has been for years...

[True Blue]

On May 22, 5:14 pm, Bill <blackuse...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Tue, 21 May 2013 21:07:38 -0700 (PDT), True Blue
>

Which is utterly irrelevant to the subject under discussion.

[True Blue]

On May 22, 5:14 pm, Bill <blackuse...@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Wed, 22 May 2013 05:26:48 +0100, Basil Jet <n...@none.spamspam.com>

> wrote:
>
> >On 2013\05\21 20:04, Bill wrote:

> >>http://www.thisislincolnshire.co.uk/UKIP-members-Lincolnshire-County-...

>
> >Looks like Labour showing their true colours to me, trying to bully the
> >virgin councillors into pledging to support the very thing they were
> >elected to oppose.
>
> It's a Tory controlled council,  and has been for years...

The ridiculous "pledge" was brought about by a Labour councillor. It
has nothing to do with who controls the council, you devious little
man.

[Bill]

Actually it isn't.

[Bill]

You mean the controlling party could do nothing to stop an opposition
councilor imposing his will on the rest of the councilors?

I have a bridge for sale...

[saracene]

On May 22, 5:03 pm, Bill <blackuse...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Wed, 22 May 2013 09:47:35 +0100, yttiw <cudd...@britpost.com>

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> >> On Tue, 21 May 2013 14:47:25 -0700 (PDT), saracene

There was something badly wrong with ukpm for a while last night. As
well as the screen being all messed up I kept being told my message
could not be posted though it had been.

[saracene]

On May 22, 5:05 pm, Bill <blackuse...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Wed, 22 May 2013 00:12:27 -0700 (PDT), saracene
>

> <john....@gmail.com> wrote:
> >Wanting to deprive certain ethnic groups of the vote is one thing. Not
> >feeling happy if your daughter wants to marry a big buck nigger is
> >quite another.
>
> And putting it in those terms is undoubtedly racist.

Would you call Peter Cook a racist?

[saracene]

Moral blackmail. It's quite successful these days.

[Bill]

I'd call him 'long dead'.

[Bill]

You're telling me a single Labour councilor managed to blackmail a
complete county Tory Party into signing this document?

Don't be bloody silly.

[saracene]

The Labour councillor obviously claims to represent the zeitgeist.
like you do. I expect the Tories are now ashamed of themselves for
signing it. They lack balls you see.

[saracene]

On May 22, 10:06 pm, Bill <blackuse...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Wed, 22 May 2013 13:11:09 -0700 (PDT), saracene
>

> <john....@gmail.com> wrote:
> >On May 22, 5:05 pm, Bill <blackuse...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> On Wed, 22 May 2013 00:12:27 -0700 (PDT), saracene
>
> >> <john....@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >Wanting to deprive certain ethnic groups of the vote is one thing. Not
> >> >feeling happy if your daughter wants to marry a big buck nigger is
> >> >quite another.
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> >> And putting it in those terms is undoubtedly racist.
>
> >Would you call Peter Cook a racist?
>
> I'd call him 'long dead'.

So now creeps like you are in the ascendant?

[Bill]

Have you considered the possibility that you're so far behind changes
in British provincial society in the past decade or so that you can
no longer see the difference between my position and that of a Tory
Party county councilor?

[saracene]

On May 22, 11:34 pm, Bill <blackuse...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Wed, 22 May 2013 15:24:37 -0700 (PDT), saracene
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I can't believe things have really got so bad. As I sad we are a
nation of hypocrites. Any one remotely Tory minded must despise all
the equal opps crap job applicants now have to declare allegiance to.

[Bill]

They're not bad, they've changed.

[saracene]

On May 23, 1:36 pm, Bill <blackuse...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Wed, 22 May 2013 23:08:20 -0700 (PDT), saracene
>

Maybe some old forms of oppression have gone bit there is a new wave
of pusillanimity championed by arseholes like you. And it looks like
they may get far worse.

[saracene]

In your case it's schadenfreude, wanting to rub people's noses in
shit. You've confessed as much. That is your motivation. It's a form
of trolling.

[Bill]

You really have no idea about life outside London do you...

[White Spirit]

On Thursday, 23 May 2013 14:00:10 UTC+1, Bill wrote:

> >Maybe some old forms of oppression have gone bit there is a new wave
> >of pusillanimity championed by arseholes like you. And it looks like
> >they may get far worse.

> You really have no idea about life outside London do you...

It's all those brown faces.

[saracene]

I suppose there are towns in the north full of chippy people like you.
I don't know them very well.

[Bill]

You're confusing 'secure and reasonably happy' with 'chippy'.

>I don't know them very well.

I noticed...

[saracene]

On May 23, 2:38 pm, Bill <blackuse...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Thu, 23 May 2013 06:34:54 -0700 (PDT), saracene
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No, I mean resentful and chippy. I'm not too familiar with the
arsehole of England. In the nice places the people probably feel much
as I do.

[Bill]

Well don't worry about feeling like that, it's your background...

I'm not too familiar with the
>arsehole of England.

I thought you did live in London...

[yttiw]

On 2013-05-22 16:06:40 +0000, Bill said:

> On Wed, 22 May 2013 09:51:32 +0100, yttiw <cud...@britpost.com>
> wrote:
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>> On 2013-05-21 23:26:50 +0000, Bill said:
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>>> On Wed, 22 May 2013 01:06:00 +0200, abelard <abel...@abelard.org>
>>> wrote:
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>>>> On Tue, 21 May 2013 23:58:42 +0100, Bill <black...@gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
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>>>>> On Wed, 22 May 2013 00:49:54 +0200, abelard <abel...@abelard.org>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Tue, 21 May 2013 23:46:35 +0100, Bill <black...@gmail.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Tue, 21 May 2013 14:57:54 -0700 (PDT), saracene
>>>>>>> <john...@gmail.com> wrote:

>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Tuesday, 21 May 2013 21:56:44 UTC+1, Bill wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 21 May 2013 13:48:53 -0700 (PDT), saracene
>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>> Would the Labour party be happy at having to sign a pledge that they
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> were not communists?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Well any who want any sort of security clearance have to be.
>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> If it were done like this we would soon hear the cries of McCarthyism.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Vetting forms require the applicant for the clearance to declare that
>>>>>>> they're neither a Fascist nor a Communist nor a member of any group
>>>>>>> that wishes to overthrow the democratic form of government.
>>>>>>

>>>>>> what use is that? socialists are allowed to lie for the advancement
>>>>>> of the cult
>>>>>
>>>>> Well it's like this my little swivel eyed loon.
>>>>>
>>>>> The government doesn't take the answers at face value and employs a
>>>>> number of highly skilled investigators, often retired senior police
>>>>> officers, to check the answers aren't lies.
>>>>>
>>>>> This is undoubtedly tied together with the MI-5 Central registry to
>>>>> produce the necessary result.
>>>>>
>>>>> A parliamentary answer some years ago said something like two thirds
>>>>> of all applicants fail Positive Vetting.
>>>>
>>>> precisely....no-one can trust a socialist...just my point
>>>
>>> The point is they don't trust anyone, especially swivel eyed loons...
>>>
>>>>> So while former Trotskyites like yourself will be found and
>>>>> eliminated from the mix, normal rational people, like myself, would
>>>>> be passed through with no problems...
>>>>
>>>> yes, trotskyist is one of the standard boo words used by socialists...
>>>
>>> Bollocks.
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>>>> it is used to refer to any perceived enemy...
>>>
>>> I think you'll find the accepted term for their usual enemy is
>>> 'bloated capitalist'.
>>>
>>> You know...
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>>> Yak herders...
>>>
>>>> stalin via his drones used it concerning socialists who wouldn't
>>>> submit to moscow and to right wingers like franco....
>>>
>>> Years ago claiming that Stalin acknowledged that the Trots were
>>> actually Socialists would have got you an ice-pick through the head
>>>
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>> So you do approve of killings for those who do not share your views.
>
> Lie

Lack of content noted

[Bill]

On Thu, 23 May 2013 19:58:36 +0100, yttiw <cud...@britpost.com>

Is English not your first language?

[saracene]

On May 23, 7:55 pm, Bill <blackuse...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Thu, 23 May 2013 07:10:28 -0700 (PDT), saracene
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Better ones here:-.

http://tinyurl.com/yanbvkx

[DVH]

Southerners aren't very humorous, northerners are.

[saracene]

I concede there is a strong tradition of northern comedy. Bernard
Manning, Steve Coogan, Chubby Brown etc.

[saracene]

Who are the funniest out of this lot? And who the unfunniest?

[abelard]

and mickey mouse

[Basil Jet]

On 2013\05\23 20:49, DVH wrote:
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> Southerners aren't very humorous, northerners are.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T8YFxuKrJBI

[saracene]

On May 23, 9:15 pm, abelard <abela...@abelard.org> wrote:
> On Thu, 23 May 2013 13:10:54 -0700 (PDT), saracene
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"That damned mouse" as King George V called him, does surely not
belong here.

[saracene]

sorry I didn't give the list

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_British_comedians

[Bill]

On Thu, 23 May 2013 22:15:33 +0200, abelard <abel...@abelard.org>
wrote:


>and mickey mouse

Was undoubtedly a Southerner.

His first job was as a river boat pilot...