The Islamic manifesto for Britain
jackkincaid
Britain in a press release dated 26th July 2004 called:
LONDONISTAN UNDER ISLAM
Muslims believe that Islam is a superior ideology able to resolve all
of the many problems which mankind faces today, from the economic to
the social, from international relations to the ecological. In the
Qur'an Allah (SWT) completed his favour upon mankind and chose for
them the Deen of Islam and the perfect example of the Messenger
Muhammad (saw). Since the first Islamic State was established in 632
AD by Muhammad (saw) the Shari'ah was implemented as a law and order
for over 1300 years until the destruction of the Othmani Khilafah on
the 3rd of March 1924. At its height it covered a vast area from China
through the Indian sub-continent, the whole of the Middle East,
Southern Russian states, most of Africa and a large portion of Europe.
The Shari'ah stipulated that the rights of food, clothing and shelter
be provided for all citizens and that the sanctity of every person's
life, wealth, honour and mind be maintained.
If the Shari'ah was indeed implemented in Britain let us have no
doubts that Britain would look very different to what it does today:-
Economically: The sale of alcohol or pork would be prohibited,
gambling would be outlawed. The currency would change from paper money
to the use of Gold as standard, thereby eradicating inflation. Stocks
and shares would be prohibited as would insurance, interest based
transactions and the current company structures - all of this would be
replaced with a unique economic system encouraging distribution of
wealth, banning exploitation and hoarding and ensuring transactions
are done where the goods are tangible, the services specified and the
companies are real. Man would be the trustee of God's wealth on Earth
promoting investment of it to please God – as in Jihad to conquer
other lands to spread the law and order of Islam.
Socially: There would be no pubs for example, and night-clubs, porn
shops or other places of entertainment between men and women,
encouraging promiscuity and sexual deviancy (such as homosexuality)
will be banned. Both men and women will be required to cover
themselves properly in public – with women wearing the Khimar and
Jilbab (headscarf and long barrel shaped dress) and men covering at
least from the navel to the knees at all times. Segregation (between
men and women) in all public places will be enforced. All exploitation
of the sexes in any way or form would be outlawed – even to employ
someone for use of their femininity or masculinity (such as is done
today with secretaries and air-stewardesses) would be prohibited,
rather people will only be employed for their own skills and talents.
All public adverts using men and women to sell products would be
banned and Judges would roam the streets and markets accompanied by
police to implement and maintain the Islamic public order.
Judicially: The Islamic judicial system would be implemented where
adulterers would be stoned to death and thieves would have their hands
cut. There would be no jury service or solicitors or barristers –
rather Judges qualified in Islamic Law would preside over all cases
and Judge according to God's law. If there is any doubt on the guilt
of the accused, even it is unreasonable or unlikely, any punishment
would be left out. Maximum jail sentences will be one year and
concentration would be on reform as opposed to locking the problem
away. The State will ensure that only the most qualified and
trustworthy Muslims will preside as Judges and justice will be
available to all free of charge – as opposed to only those able to
afford expensive barristers and solicitors.
Education: There would be compulsory Islamic education for all with
Arabic being the national language so that the people can properly
read and understand the Qur'an. False ideas such as evolution and the
equality of religions and corrupt subjects such as music, drama and
art would not be taught. Rather every subject will be linked to the
relationship with God and new subjects such as Islamic concepts,
Shari'ah law and Islamic Jurisprudence will be introduced to the
curriculum. Other subjects such as science and mathematics will be
cleansed of any concepts contradictory to divine revelation. History
from an Islamic perspective will be studied. There will also be an
emphasis upon boys to have military training so that they can
participate in Jihad after they become 15 years old and an emphasis
upon girls to learn those subjects such as cooking, managing the
household and looking after and bringing up children to train them
properly for their roles as mothers in the future.
May Allah (SWT) grant us the implementation of the Shari'ah and the
removal of servitude to man in Britain sooner rather than later.
Al-Muhajiroun
The Voice, The Eyes & The Ears of Muslims
P.O. Box 349 London N9 7RR
07956 600 569 or 07956 920 006 – Fax: 0208 803 4541 - Internet:
www.muhajiroun.com - almuhajiro...@hotmail.com
Maria
wrote:
>Al-Muhajiroun has published its political manifesto for London and
>Britain in a press release dated 26th July 2004 called:
>
They are almost a spoof aren't they.
Anyone remember something about the borough of Poplar trying to
declare that they were a communist state?
rizv...@optonline.net
wrote:
>Al-Muhajiroun has published its political manifesto for London and
I think only Muslims should be allowed to run the worlds banking
henceforth.
>Socially: There would be no pubs for example, and night-clubs, porn
>shops or other places of entertainment between men and women,
>encouraging promiscuity and sexual deviancy (such as homosexuality)
>will be banned. Both men and women will be required to cover
>themselves properly in public – with women wearing the Khimar and
>Jilbab (headscarf and long barrel shaped dress) and men covering at
>least from the navel to the knees at all times. Segregation (between
>men and women) in all public places will be enforced. All exploitation
>of the sexes in any way or form would be outlawed – even to employ
>someone for use of their femininity or masculinity (such as is done
>today with secretaries and air-stewardesses) would be prohibited,
>rather people will only be employed for their own skills and talents.
>All public adverts using men and women to sell products would be
>banned and Judges would roam the streets and markets accompanied by
>police to implement and maintain the Islamic public order.
Does this mean all the Harems will have to be closed down?
Fat chance.
>Judicially: The Islamic judicial system would be implemented where
>adulterers would be stoned to death and thieves would have their hands
>cut. There would be no jury service or solicitors or barristers –
>rather Judges qualified in Islamic Law would preside over all cases
>and Judge according to God's law. If there is any doubt on the guilt
>of the accused, even it is unreasonable or unlikely, any punishment
>would be left out. Maximum jail sentences will be one year and
>concentration would be on reform as opposed to locking the problem
>away. The State will ensure that only the most qualified and
>trustworthy Muslims will preside as Judges and justice will be
>available to all free of charge – as opposed to only those able to
>afford expensive barristers and solicitors.
Please be kind enough to enlighten the Westerners with Islamic
jurisprudence as it relates to Rape.
It is my understanding that all rape victims must produce 4 male or 8
female witnesses to the act of penetration before this charge can
stick.
If UK or any other Western country were to ever go Islamic, they will
have to release all rapists from the jail and retry then under Islamic
law.
>Education: There would be compulsory Islamic education for all with
>Arabic being the national language so that the people can properly
>read and understand the Qur'an. False ideas such as evolution and the
>equality of religions and corrupt subjects such as music, drama and
>art would not be taught. Rather every subject will be linked to the
>relationship with God and new subjects such as Islamic concepts,
>Shari'ah law and Islamic Jurisprudence will be introduced to the
>curriculum. Other subjects such as science and mathematics will be
>cleansed of any concepts contradictory to divine revelation. History
>from an Islamic perspective will be studied. There will also be an
>emphasis upon boys to have military training so that they can
>participate in Jihad after they become 15 years old and an emphasis
>upon girls to learn those subjects such as cooking, managing the
>household and looking after and bringing up children to train them
>properly for their roles as mothers in the future.
Most Muslims have low IQ and can barely speak their mother tongue, now
you want to teach them Arabic as well.
With what money and to what avail?
>May Allah (SWT) grant us the implementation of the Shari'ah and the
>removal of servitude to man in Britain sooner rather than later.
>Al-Muhajiroun
>The Voice, The Eyes & The Ears of Muslims
>P.O. Box 349 London N9 7RR
>07956 600 569 or 07956 920 006 – Fax: 0208 803 4541 - Internet:
>www.muhajiroun.com - almuhajiro...@hotmail.com
The sooner the vermin are removed the better for all concerned.
Paul C
Dogs bollocks
"jackkincaid" <theov...@another.com> wrote in message
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> promoting investment of it to please God - as in Jihad to conquer
> other lands to spread the law and order of Islam.
>
> Socially: There would be no pubs for example, and night-clubs, porn
> shops or other places of entertainment between men and women,
> encouraging promiscuity and sexual deviancy (such as homosexuality)
> will be banned. Both men and women will be required to cover
> themselves properly in public - with women wearing the Khimar and
> Jilbab (headscarf and long barrel shaped dress) and men covering at
> least from the navel to the knees at all times. Segregation (between
> men and women) in all public places will be enforced. All exploitation
> of the sexes in any way or form would be outlawed - even to employ
> someone for use of their femininity or masculinity (such as is done
> today with secretaries and air-stewardesses) would be prohibited,
> rather people will only be employed for their own skills and talents.
> All public adverts using men and women to sell products would be
> banned and Judges would roam the streets and markets accompanied by
> police to implement and maintain the Islamic public order.
>
> Judicially: The Islamic judicial system would be implemented where
> adulterers would be stoned to death and thieves would have their hands
> cut. There would be no jury service or solicitors or barristers -
> rather Judges qualified in Islamic Law would preside over all cases
> and Judge according to God's law. If there is any doubt on the guilt
> of the accused, even it is unreasonable or unlikely, any punishment
> would be left out. Maximum jail sentences will be one year and
> concentration would be on reform as opposed to locking the problem
> away. The State will ensure that only the most qualified and
> trustworthy Muslims will preside as Judges and justice will be
> available to all free of charge - as opposed to only those able to
> afford expensive barristers and solicitors.
>
> Education: There would be compulsory Islamic education for all with
> Arabic being the national language so that the people can properly
> read and understand the Qur'an. False ideas such as evolution and the
> equality of religions and corrupt subjects such as music, drama and
> art would not be taught. Rather every subject will be linked to the
> relationship with God and new subjects such as Islamic concepts,
> Shari'ah law and Islamic Jurisprudence will be introduced to the
> curriculum. Other subjects such as science and mathematics will be
> cleansed of any concepts contradictory to divine revelation. History
> from an Islamic perspective will be studied. There will also be an
> emphasis upon boys to have military training so that they can
> participate in Jihad after they become 15 years old and an emphasis
> upon girls to learn those subjects such as cooking, managing the
> household and looking after and bringing up children to train them
> properly for their roles as mothers in the future.
>
> May Allah (SWT) grant us the implementation of the Shari'ah and the
> removal of servitude to man in Britain sooner rather than later.
>
>
>
> Al-Muhajiroun
> The Voice, The Eyes & The Ears of Muslims
>
>
>
> P.O. Box 349 London N9 7RR
> 07956 600 569 or 07956 920 006 - Fax: 0208 803 4541 - Internet:
> www.muhajiroun.com - almuhajiro...@hotmail.com
Paul C
million bottles of bitter. 4 billion litres of wine and 600 million gallons
of lager. after they've drunk that I bet they will all get their kit off
"Maria" <frust...@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
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Wotan
| Britain in a press release dated 26th July 2004 called:
|
| LONDONISTAN UNDER ISLAM
|
| Muslims believe that Islam is a superior ideology able to resolve
all
| of the many problems which mankind faces today, from the economic to
| the social, from international relations to the ecological.
So how does this differ from the UNPUBLISHED Jewish
manifesto, which actually DOES run Britain today. And
America.
Wotan
Yes, but now we have a Communist state under the
Blair, which controls all of Britain !
I look forward to the day when Essex declares itself
to be an independent nuclear power !
Wotan
<rizv...@optonline.net> wrote in message
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|
| I think only Muslims should be allowed to run the worlds banking
| henceforth.
|
I believe that the followers of Islam are forbidden
to engage in usury of any type, which means they
would not be able to run banks.
They are to my certain knowledge not allowed to
take out mortgages on their property.
The strength of Islam is that they do have a moral
code, whereas the West has allowed the Jews to
destroy ours from within.
Borderline Genius
Proof please.
--
Borderline Genius
A liberal is a man too broadminded to take his own side in a quarrel.
Robert Frost (1874 - 1963)
Havirrion
I figured there had to be a dig at the Jewish somewhere in this thread.
Havirrion
Riiiiiiiiigghhhhht.....you still seeing those dead people?
Maria
There is more than one way to skin a cat.
Andrew Fenton
Britain", when in fact it's the manifesto of a small extremist group.
adrian
girl Ayesha - Islam is therefore a religion of no morality.
Havirrion
> I'm curious as to why you titled your post "The Islamic manifesto for
> Britain", when in fact it's the manifesto of a small extremist group.
>
>
Trying looking up the word manifesto.
Halberd
> Wotan wrote:
>
>> "jackkincaid" <theov...@another.com> wrote in message
>> news:eb35fbed.04072...@posting.google.com...
>> | Al-Muhajiroun has published its political manifesto for London and
>> | Britain in a press release dated 26th July 2004 called:
>> |
>> | LONDONISTAN UNDER ISLAM
>> |
>> | Muslims believe that Islam is a superior ideology able to resolve
>> all
>> | of the many problems which mankind faces today, from the economic to
>> | the social, from international relations to the ecological.
>>
>> So how does this differ from the UNPUBLISHED Jewish
>> manifesto, which actually DOES run Britain today. And
>> America.
>
> Proof please.
I've told you already, "able, sane, intelligent posters" don't have to
provide proof.
DaveVH
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Wotty in "Islam better than West" shock.
DaveVH
Havirrion <havi...@NOblueDAMNyonderSPAM.co.uk> wrote in message
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I think Andrew was asking about the "Islamic" bit. It suggests the whole of
Islam is behind the manifesto, which could be true for all I know, but
doesn't seem likely.
brian
> >other lands to spread the law and order of Islam.
>
> I think only Muslims should be allowed to run the worlds banking
> henceforth.
>
> >Socially: There would be no pubs for example, and night-clubs, porn
> >shops or other places of entertainment between men and women,
> >encouraging promiscuity and sexual deviancy (such as homosexuality)
> >will be banned. Both men and women will be required to cover
> >Jilbab (headscarf and long barrel shaped dress) and men covering at
> >least from the navel to the knees at all times. Segregation (between
> >men and women) in all public places will be enforced. All exploitation
> >someone for use of their femininity or masculinity (such as is done
> >today with secretaries and air-stewardesses) would be prohibited,
> >rather people will only be employed for their own skills and talents.
> >All public adverts using men and women to sell products would be
> >banned and Judges would roam the streets and markets accompanied by
> >police to implement and maintain the Islamic public order.
>
> Does this mean all the Harems will have to be closed down?
> Fat chance.
>
> >Judicially: The Islamic judicial system would be implemented where
> >adulterers would be stoned to death and thieves would have their hands
> >rather Judges qualified in Islamic Law would preside over all cases
> >and Judge according to God's law. If there is any doubt on the guilt
> >of the accused, even it is unreasonable or unlikely, any punishment
> >would be left out. Maximum jail sentences will be one year and
> >concentration would be on reform as opposed to locking the problem
> >away. The State will ensure that only the most qualified and
> >trustworthy Muslims will preside as Judges and justice will be
> >www.muhajiroun.com - almuhajiro...@hotmail.com
>
> The sooner the vermin are removed the better for all concerned.
Well I told you so, kill the moslem scum before they kill you off.
Do not depend on Blair or any other political party, stop it now, it is up
to you at the moment it is not to late, I am British and will do what it
takes to stay British and reasonably free, and want no part of islam or the
shity beleivers of this agressive monstrous form of tyrany.
Terrorism is the Moslem way they will strike here soon, our kindness is seen
by Islam as weekness a soft touch waiting to be overthrown helped by a soft
as shit government who all but sends them an invitation and puts out a
welcome mat out, and even when they have no invitation all are welcome and
rarely repatriated.
MrMoor
impossible to remove them without crippling our country for a few
generations.
Would it be a feasible suggestion to let them have say... a secure area
where all the Muslims can go, say an island.
Somewhere where they won't annoy everyone else perhaps surrounded by
water or another obstacle in Britain?
Then it could be possible to say to any extremist who was starting to
bubble a bit "go over to your little enclave, there are no Christians
and no British people there, we have no right to go in there and you
have no right to be out here!" then everyone is happy, maybe the pro
Islamic pressure groups can be converted and join them.
grabber
entitled to their opinions.
Would it be a feasible suggestion to let them have say... a secure area
where all the BNP can go, say an island.
Somewhere where they won't annoy everyone else perhaps surrounded by water
or another obstacle in Britain?
Then it could be possible to say to any extremist who was starting to bubble
a bit "go over to your little enclave, there are no liberals and no
believers in equal opportunities there, we have no right to go in there and
you have no right to be out here!" then everyone is happy, maybe other
rightwing nutters can be join the party and join them.
arealman
heads. :-)
--
New Labour isn't working
arealman
Any resemblance to persons living or dead or events past and present is
entirely coincidental.
Should this post bear similarities to actual topical events, it in fact
remains fiction
and its entire purpose is to allow the intelligent reader to consider the
wider possibilities
attaching to the hypothetical events herein portrayed.
jackkincaid <theov...@another.com> wrote in message
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18hz
>To save a lot of aggro and bloodshed and the fact that it will be
>impossible to remove them without crippling our country for a few
>generations.
>
>Would it be a feasible suggestion to let them have say... a secure area
>where all the Muslims can go, say an island.
>
>Somewhere where they won't annoy everyone else perhaps surrounded by
>water or another obstacle in Britain?
>
>Then it could be possible to say to any extremist who was starting to
>bubble a bit "go over to your little enclave, there are no Christians
>and no British people there, we have no right to go in there and you
>have no right to be out here!" then everyone is happy...
Until they strike oil or uranium, at which point Murdoch et al will
discover an unprecedented interest in their human rights record and
lack of democratic elections..
=;o)
--
Iain x http://18hz.com
'These are my principles. If you don't like them, I have others' - Marx
Ancient One
in the Indian Mutiny, one gang who had murdered hundreds of english women
and children in an abbatoir were forced to lick the floors and walls clean,
were either hung drawn and quartered or cannon fired where they were tied to
the muzzle of a heavy piece and a shot was fired spraying them over their
fellow mutineer's
Now maybe these terrorists would have been a bit more mindful if they knew
that was going to happen
Fight fire with fire, if they blow something up here, return the favour
there, perhaps when it's their sisters and mothers getting blown sky high,
they will realise the stakes
AO
rizv...@optonline.net
wrote:
The strength of Islam comes from total lack of thinking capacity
in their followers. Ever heard of Muslim Nobel Laureate despite their
population of 1.2 billion?
rizv...@optonline.net
You mean you know Muslims who are not extremists?
rizv...@optonline.net
These sons of bitches are ready to sacrifice their lives at the drop
of a hat, what makes you think draconian retribution would deter them?
brushoff
real person? I think they must be so scared like some one forcing
them to eat the pig intestants.
Eric Wiener
terrorists entire family. They didn't have to do it twice.
<rizv...@optonline.net> wrote in message
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Steve Smith
Why not nuke Mecca and destroy their moon god idol?
Halberd
I have yet to meet one who is. It's far easier to come across a loon from
the BNP.
Hognoxious
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>
> The strength of Islam comes from total lack of thinking capacity
> in their followers. Ever heard of Muslim Nobel Laureate despite their
> population of 1.2 billion?
But they are the worlds best mathematicians, they are!
[pauses, listening on earpiece]
Ah, news just in, it seems the middle ages are over and the Islamic world's
lead in science has been overtaken. Apparently Europe woke up.
Hognoxious
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> Borderline Genius wrote:
>
...
> > Proof please.
>
> I've told you already, "able, sane, intelligent posters" don't have to
> provide proof.
Especially ones who own massive software companies?
Anyway, the lack of evidence is proof enough - if it wasn't true, they
wouldn't be covering it up now, would they?
Hognoxious
news:4ngjg0lf39qagpq52...@4ax.com...
> These sons of bitches are ready to sacrifice their lives at the drop
> of a hat, what makes you think draconian retribution would deter them?
What makes you think the intention is deterrence?
No survivors, no revenge.
The Bloke Next Door
"adrian" <adr...@bonni.freeserve.co.uk> wrote in message news:463826e2.04072...@posting.google.com...
Mohammed was a Peadophile when he was 55 he married a nine year old
girl Ayesha - Islam is therefore a religion of no morality.
--------------------------------------It is still a regular practice in Many Islamic countries for middle aged men to marry pre- pubescent girls & also to cut off their clitoris because according their primitive barbaric laws the woman should obtain no pleasure from sex & she exists purely for their husbands needs,S'funny how the "left" never seem to address these shocking abuses of human rights or indeed the murdering fascist dictator Mugabe who is now openly supported by South Africa's President Thabo Mbeki & what have the likes of the sly treacherous Ken Livingstone had to say about it? Zilch!!!
Andrew Fenton
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> It is still a regular practice in Many Islamic countries for middle aged
men to marry pre- pubescent girls & also to cut off their clitoris because
Completely wrong. That's an African practice, and is almost unknown in
Islamic countries - the exception being the Nile Valley states. In fact,
most countries that practice it are majority Christian.
rizv...@optonline.net
wrote:
>"jackkincaid" <theov...@another.com> wrote in message
>news:eb35fbed.04072...@posting.google.com...
>| Al-Muhajiroun has published its political manifesto for London and
>| Britain in a press release dated 26th July 2004 called:
>|
>| LONDONISTAN UNDER ISLAM
>|
>| Muslims believe that Islam is a superior ideology able to resolve
>all
>| of the many problems which mankind faces today, from the economic to
>| the social, from international relations to the ecological.
>
>So how does this differ from the UNPUBLISHED Jewish
>manifesto, which actually DOES run Britain today. And
>America.
In the recent film Fahrenheit 9-11 it was clearly shown the Arab
pigs running rough shod over White House. I bet this is partly
true of the UK since on of their citizen a physician was recently
abducted by the Saudi pigs, tortured and almost executed. It took lot
of groveling by Blair to have this poor fellow released.
Paul Hyett
>To save a lot of aggro and bloodshed and the fact that it will be impossible
>to remove them without violating the principle that even the inadequate are
>entitled to their opinions.
>
>Would it be a feasible suggestion to let them have say... a secure area
>where all the BNP can go, say an island.
Krakatoa perhaps? :)
--
Paul Hyett, Cheltenham
Bobby Fischler
> Al-Muhajiroun has published its political manifesto for London and
> Britain in a press release dated 26th July 2004 called:
>
> LONDONISTAN UNDER ISLAM
>
> Muslims believe that Islam is a superior ideology able to resolve all
> of the many problems which mankind faces today, from the economic to
> Qur'an Allah (SWT) completed his favour upon mankind and chose for
> them the Deen of Islam and the perfect example of the Messenger
> Muhammad (saw). Since the first Islamic State was established in 632
> AD by Muhammad (saw) the Shari'ah was implemented as a law and order
> for over 1300 years until the destruction of the Othmani Khilafah on
> the 3rd of March 1924. At its height it covered a vast area from China
> through the Indian sub-continent, the whole of the Middle East,
> Southern Russian states, most of Africa and a large portion of Europe.
> The Shari'ah stipulated that the rights of food, clothing and shelter
> be provided for all citizens and that the sanctity of every person's
> life, wealth, honour and mind be maintained.
>
> If the Shari'ah was indeed implemented in Britain let us have no
> doubts that Britain would look very different to what it does today:-
>
> Economically: The sale of alcohol or pork would be prohibited,
> gambling would be outlawed. The currency would change from paper money
> to the use of Gold as standard, thereby eradicating inflation. Stocks
> and shares would be prohibited as would insurance, interest based
> transactions and the current company structures - all of this would be
> replaced with a unique economic system encouraging distribution of
> wealth, banning exploitation and hoarding and ensuring transactions
> are done where the goods are tangible, the services specified and the
> companies are real. Man would be the trustee of God's wealth on Earth
> other lands to spread the law and order of Islam.
>
> shops or other places of entertainment between men and women,
> encouraging promiscuity and sexual deviancy (such as homosexuality)
> will be banned. Both men and women will be required to cover
> Jilbab (headscarf and long barrel shaped dress) and men covering at
> least from the navel to the knees at all times. Segregation (between
> men and women) in all public places will be enforced. All exploitation
> someone for use of their femininity or masculinity (such as is done
> today with secretaries and air-stewardesses) would be prohibited,
> rather people will only be employed for their own skills and talents.
> All public adverts using men and women to sell products would be
> banned and Judges would roam the streets and markets accompanied by
> police to implement and maintain the Islamic public order.
>
> adulterers would be stoned to death and thieves would have their hands
> rather Judges qualified in Islamic Law would preside over all cases
> and Judge according to God's law. If there is any doubt on the guilt
> of the accused, even it is unreasonable or unlikely, any punishment
> would be left out. Maximum jail sentences will be one year and
> concentration would be on reform as opposed to locking the problem
> away. The State will ensure that only the most qualified and
> trustworthy Muslims will preside as Judges and justice will be
> afford expensive barristers and solicitors.
>
> Arabic being the national language so that the people can properly
> read and understand the Qur'an. False ideas such as evolution and the
> equality of religions and corrupt subjects such as music, drama and
> art would not be taught. Rather every subject will be linked to the
> relationship with God and new subjects such as Islamic concepts,
> Shari'ah law and Islamic Jurisprudence will be introduced to the
> curriculum. Other subjects such as science and mathematics will be
> cleansed of any concepts contradictory to divine revelation. History
> from an Islamic perspective will be studied. There will also be an
> emphasis upon boys to have military training so that they can
> participate in Jihad after they become 15 years old and an emphasis
> upon girls to learn those subjects such as cooking, managing the
> household and looking after and bringing up children to train them
> properly for their roles as mothers in the future.
>
> removal of servitude to man in Britain sooner rather than later.
>
>
>
> Al-Muhajiroun
> The Voice, The Eyes & The Ears of Muslims
>
>
>
> P.O. Box 349 London N9 7RR
> www.muhajiroun.com - almuhajiro...@hotmail.com
Their goal is for all of western Europe followed by eastern Europe and
Russia. These leftist European politicians have forgotten 1,000 years
of European history.
Nimrod
Bobby Fischler <franc...@yahoo.co.nz> wrote in message
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> theov...@another.com (jackkincaid) wrote in message
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> > Al-Muhajiroun has published its political manifesto for London and
> > Britain in a press release dated 26th July 2004 called:
> >
> > LONDONISTAN UNDER ISLAM
> >
> > The Voice, The Eyes & The Ears of Muslims
> >
> >
> >
> > P.O. Box 349 London N9 7RR
> > 07956 600 569 or 07956 920 006 ? Fax: 0208 803 4541 - Internet:
> > www.muhajiroun.com - almuhajiro...@hotmail.com
>
> Their goal is for all of western Europe followed by eastern Europe and
> Russia. These leftist European politicians have forgotten 1,000 years
> of European history.
Time to fire up the Knights Templar again methinks. Crusades here we come.
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True but here's what moderate al-Qaradawi has to say on the matter,
http://outrage.nabumedia.com/pressrelease.asp?ID=207
But he is "moderate" because he only supports the partial removal of the
clitoris,
http://www.islamonline.net/fatwa/english/FatwaDisplay.asp?hFatwaID=31397
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Muslims need to be reminded that living in Dar al-Harb is Shirk Akbar and
Can Take you out of Islam.
GW
Ancient One
AO
Andrew Fenton
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> True but here's what moderate al-Qaradawi has to say on the matter,
> http://outrage.nabumedia.com/pressrelease.asp?ID=207
>
> But he is "moderate" because he only supports the partial removal of the
> clitoris,
> http://www.islamonline.net/fatwa/english/FatwaDisplay.asp?hFatwaID=31397
He's hardly a moderate on this issue if almost the entire Muslim population
holds a different opinion :-) Also, I believe most Islamic scholars consider
the quote he uses to be of extremely dubious origin, and thus most of them
disagree with him on the issue.
Ancient One
If someone has a pop at Israel, then their secret service starts blowing
stuff up, so why can't we?
Look at when the paras started executing provos in NI, it was not a nice
thing to do but membership in the IRA dropped overnight once the average joe
thought he was going to get the bullet
And who was whinging to the courts about brutality first, in a crazy
country, its OK for peacekeeping soldiers to get blown up but never the
terrorists, oh no, thats against the law....!
The UK has become soft and flabby, why do we keep the SAS for, let 'em loose
and equal the score.
AO
MrMoor
The army ordered mutineers to be put in the cannon's mouth during the
Indian Mutiny, apparently they would not go to heaven if the bodies had
been blown to bits, they were then gathered together and buried in
pigskin bags speared with pork fat.
In Jerusalem they are putting bags containing pork near the doors of
buses as an effort to deter suicide bombers, if any part of the
Mohammedan touched pork he is immediately disbarred from heaven.
Bobby Fischler
Is this part of European history still taught in schools.
Sort of like Little Red Riding Hood and leaving the wolf & how grandma
was eaten by the wolf - out of the story.
Most of the western world has forgotten that Islam has been at war
with the west for 1,000 years. The Muslims have not forgotten. They
remember getting kicked out of Spain 521 years ago like it was
yesterday and they plan on taking Spain back.
Nimrod
I doubt that kids at school have even heard of the crusades - mention
anything that seems to be anti-muslim these days and some left wing white
prick will have knee jerk and cry racist and the muslims just sit back and
watch as we de-fang ourselves. Saves them the trouble. Most of Germany's
role in the first and second world war has been diluted down so that people
think that Nazi is a separate country! Honesty in history is a victim to
apologists and revisionist theory. That's part of the reason we're
experiencing so much shit these days - like they said - those who forget the
mistakes of the past are doomed to repeat them.
rizv...@optonline.net
It is a sick religion very fit for sick people, trouble is these
bastards have moved to the West and have powerful friends
like George Bush. The sooner this sob is removed from the seat of
power the sooner the world can breath free.
the free world
rizv...@optonline.net
You have no idea throat cutting is a favorite pass time in, Saudi
Arabia, Iran, Sudan, Egypt, Pakistan, Yemen, Morocco, Algeria,
Indonesia, Jordan, or does this piece of bad news get censored by the
BBC?
Nimrod
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there is a lot to be said about taking the moral high ground, but sometimes
you have to play the game with the same rules on a level playing field. As
far as I'm concerned the first people we should hang for treason are the
arms manufacturers and MP's who sell these things to the people that WE KNOW
are just going to use them against us and then we go in so fucking hard and
dirty that we make it so dangerous to be one of the enemy they really can't
see the benefit of dying for allah. To paraphrase Sean Connery in The
Untouchables:
"Malone:You said you wanted to get [the terrorists]. Do you really wanna get
[them]? You see what I'm saying is, what are you prepared to do?
Eliot Ness: Anything and everything in my power.
Malone: And THEN what are you prepared to do? If you open the can on these
worms you must be prepared to go all the way because they're not gonna give
up the fight until one of you is dead.
Eliot Ness: How do you do it then?
Malone: You wanna know how you do it? Here's how, they pull a knife, you
pull a gun. [They] send one of yours to the hospital, you send on of
[theirs] to the morgue! That's the Chicago way, and that's how you get
[terrorists]! Now do you want to do that? Are you ready to do that?"
and, as we all know, the answer is no - our "leaders" are not prepared to
that in case they offend too many voters and don't get re-elected. Their
personal glory and how they are remembered is more important than killing
every motherfucking terrorist and their supporters. No one has the balls
anymore.
Clough
> Muslims need to be reminded that living in Dar al-Harb is Shirk Akbar and
I wouldn't mind living Der be Herb.
Clough
arealman
> and, as we all know, the answer is no - our "leaders" are not prepared to
> that in case they offend too many voters and don't get re-elected. Their
> personal glory and how they are remembered is more important than killing
> every motherfucking terrorist and their supporters. No one has the balls
> anymore.
There is one.
arealman
Nimrod
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who? and please don't say dubya - he's only out for what he can get for
himself & his cronies. And blair is just a useless tosser.
Energumen
> "Energumen" <ener_...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
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>
> > True but here's what moderate al-Qaradawi has to say on the matter,
> > http://outrage.nabumedia.com/pressrelease.asp?ID=207
> >
> > But he is "moderate" because he only supports the partial removal of the
> > clitoris,
> > http://www.islamonline.net/fatwa/english/FatwaDisplay.asp?hFatwaID=31397
>
>
> He's hardly a moderate on this issue if almost the entire Muslim
population
> holds a different opinion :-)
Do you have any evidence in support of that statement. Personally I do not
know whether it is true or not. Are you operating on a hunch or have you
seen some evidence?
> Also, I believe most Islamic scholars consider
> the quote he uses to be of extremely dubious origin, and thus most of them
> disagree with him on the issue.
>
Any evidence of that? As is explained it is a controversial issue amongst
Islamic scholars but for all I know 60% may support Qaradawis position (ie.
not compulsary but allowed). I see no reason for your use of the word most.
Quite possibly Qaradawi is in the minority (perhaps because he is african)
but it is very important for a reasoned discussion that we do not simply
pick sides but actually look for the facts. I am not accussing you of making
things up but I would like to know where your information is coming from.
Andrew Fenton
> Do you have any evidence in support of that statement. Personally I do not
> know whether it is true or not. Are you operating on a hunch or have you
> seen some evidence?
Well, given that the practice is virtually unknown in most Islamic
countries, it would seem to indicate that most Muslims do not believe in it.
If they did, there's very little to stop them.
> Any evidence of that? As is explained it is a controversial issue amongst
> Islamic scholars but for all I know 60% may support Qaradawis position
(ie.
> not compulsary but allowed).
Sure:
------------------------------------
Those who advocate for FGM from an Islamic perspective commonly quote the
following hadith to argue that it is required as part of the Sunnah or
Tradition of the Prophet:
Um Atiyyat al-Ansariyyah said: A woman used to perform circumcision in
Medina. The Prophet (pbuh) said to her: Do not cut too severely as that is
better for a woman and more desirable for a husband.
This is known to be a "weak" hadith in that it does not meet the strict
criteria to be considered unquestionable (classified as mursal, i.e. missing
a link in the chain of transmitters in that none was among the original
Companions of the Prophet.) In addtion, it is found in only one of the six
undisputed, authentic hadith collections, that is in the Sunan of Abu Dawud
(Chapter 1888). According to Sayyid Sabiq, renowned scholar and author of
Fiqh-us-Sunnah, all hadiths concerning female circumcision are
non-authentic.
-------------------------------------
http://www.mwlusa.org/publications/positionpapers/fgm.html
As the article goes on to point out: even if that quotation is considered
authentic it does not advocate female circumcision, merely tries to restrain
someone carrying out the procedure.
Energumen
> "Energumen" <ener_...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:410bed74$0$84469$ed26...@ptn-nntp-reader02.plus.net...
>
> > Do you have any evidence in support of that statement. Personally I do
not
> > know whether it is true or not. Are you operating on a hunch or have you
> > seen some evidence?
>
> Well, given that the practice is virtually unknown in most Islamic
> countries, it would seem to indicate that most Muslims do not believe in
it.
> If they did, there's very little to stop them.
We are not discussing whether the majority of muslims believe in it we are
discussing whether the majority of muslims support Qaradawi's position of
tolerance of it without compulsion to it, though you'll need to look further
up the thread to verify that because of what you've snipped.
Producing a muslim scholar who disagrees with FGH is neither here nor there
to verifying your position that "most Islamic scholars consider the quote he
uses to be of extremely dubious origin, and thus most of them disagree with
him on the issue". In actual fact that webpage appears to offer evidence
against that position. Quoting from it;
"Even if the words attributed to the Prophet were actually spoken by him, an
analysis of the text itself reveals that he is making a statement that does
not translate into an injunction for circumcision. Interestingly, many
leading scholars of the four major Sunni schools of thought considered
female circumcision to be at least recommended if not required. Yet we
cannot ascertain from the hadith what type of circumcision was being
performed or even which body part was being discussed. The scholars later
specified in general terms that only a small piece of skin (the clitoris or
its hood, presumably, or perhaps part of the labia minora) the size of a
"cock's comb" (the small appendage that sits atop the head of a rooster) was
to be removed. At the very least then, one can say that infibulation goes
far beyond the description given here and so this hadith cannot be used to
justify the more severe forms of mutilation. If a Muslim truly believes that
female circumcision is part of the Sunnah, she or he wouldn't have enough
detailed specifications to know how to carry out the procedure since the
terms as mentioned above are so vague".
This is suggestive that Qaradawi's position may be rather mainstream or at
the very least that it was mainstream in the past, though it doesn't say so
explicitly.
Andrew Fenton
> We are not discussing whether the majority of muslims believe in it we are
> discussing whether the majority of muslims support Qaradawi's position of
> tolerance of it without compulsion to it, though you'll need to look
further
> up the thread to verify that because of what you've snipped.
Ahh, well we're talking at crosspurposes then, cos that wasn't what I said
:-) He can't be considered a moderate on this issue (even if he is on
others), as he advocates a practice that the population does not follow.
> Producing a muslim scholar who disagrees with FGH is neither here nor
there
> to verifying your position that "most Islamic scholars consider the quote
he
> uses to be of extremely dubious origin, and thus most of them disagree
with
> him on the issue".
The scholar above wasn't the point - as you say, he's only one - but instead
to argue the authenticity of that quote of Mohammed's (only in 1/6 hadith
sets etc). Without that, the practice has no religious standing - whether or
not imams then choose to recommend it as part of their personal
interpretations of other sections of the Sunnah is beside the point.
Energumen
> "Energumen" <ener_...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
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>
> > We are not discussing whether the majority of muslims believe in it we
are
> > discussing whether the majority of muslims support Qaradawi's position
of
> > tolerance of it without compulsion to it, though you'll need to look
> further
> > up the thread to verify that because of what you've snipped.
>
> Ahh, well we're talking at crosspurposes then, cos that wasn't what I said
> :-) He can't be considered a moderate on this issue (even if he is on
> others), as he advocates a practice that the population does not follow.
You're still not getting it. The majority of muslims not practicing FGM is
not the same thing as the majority of muslims being against Qaradawi's
position. His position is that it is a legitimate option if not done
"excessively", but not compulsary. For all I know Qaradawi may have
daughters who are not circumcised. I have not seen any evidence that this
view is not the "centre of gravity" of the opinion of muslim scholars. I
have seen evidence that there are muslim scholars who disagree with it,
no-one is arguing otherwise.
>
> > Producing a muslim scholar who disagrees with FGH is neither here nor
> there
> > to verifying your position that "most Islamic scholars consider the
quote
> he
> > uses to be of extremely dubious origin, and thus most of them disagree
> with
> > him on the issue".
>
> The scholar above wasn't the point - as you say, he's only one - but
instead
> to argue the authenticity of that quote of Mohammed's (only in 1/6 hadith
> sets etc). Without that, the practice has no religious standing - whether
or
> not imams then choose to recommend it as part of their personal
> interpretations of other sections of the Sunnah is beside the point.
>
So a case can be made that that part of the Hadith is inauthentic and that
case is made by people who are Muslim scholars. I however see no evidence
that "most Islamic scholars consider the quote he uses to be of extremely
dubious origin, and thus most of them disagree with him on the issue". I
would like to know on what basis you made that statement. Wide ranging
evidence? Anecdotal evidence? No evidence at all?
Andrew Fenton
> You're still not getting it. The majority of muslims not practicing FGM is
> not the same thing as the majority of muslims being against Qaradawi's
> position.
Of course, and thus not what I claimed :-) The opinion referred to is that
of personal belief in FGM: he is pro-female circumcision, most Muslims are
not. That latter point is indeed deduced and/or anecdotal, but why else is
the practice so rare? Simple: all evidence points to a base in north-east
African cultures, including areas that are majority Christian (it's
widespread in Ethiopia) or follow polytheistic traditional faiths. It has no
basis in Islam, and is thus correspondingly rare in the Islamic world.
> So a case can be made that that part of the Hadith is inauthentic and that
> case is made by people who are Muslim scholars. I however see no evidence
> that "most Islamic scholars consider the quote he uses to be of extremely
> dubious origin, and thus most of them disagree with him on the issue". I
> would like to know on what basis you made that statement. Wide ranging
> evidence? Anecdotal evidence? No evidence at all?
Ahh, I see where the problem is. By 'issue' I meant his use of direct
religious justification via said dodgy quote, not the entire subject of
female circumcision.
jren57
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> Al-Muhajiroun has published its political manifesto for London and
> Britain in a press release dated 26th July 2004 called:
>
> LONDONISTAN UNDER ISLAM
I'll be running a Hot Dog Stand in Mecca before this even happens!
Enoch
Fischler) wrote:
>
>Their goal is for all of western Europe followed by eastern Europe and
>Russia. These leftist European politicians have forgotten 1,000 years
>of European history.
Let your goal be learning the mystical secrets of selective quoting.
Enoch
Fischler) wrote:
> The Muslims have not forgotten. They
>remember getting kicked out of Spain 521 years ago like it was
>yesterday and they plan on taking Spain back
And they've started in Blackburn, Bradford and Pendle.
Enoch
wrote:
>Muslims need to be reminded that living in Dar al-Harb is Shirk Akbar and
>Can Take you out of Islam.
And you need to be reminded about selective quoting. Why is it some
dickheads cannot see the silliness of quoting hundreds of lines of
text everyone has read already just to add two lines?
Paul Weaver
> Because it has done so before. Jordan took care of it by killing the
> terrorists entire family. They didn't have to do it twice.
Classic quote :D
Lukipela
But do you not see?! Tony Blair is trying to save us all from this
terrorist scum!
Observe:
'Britain is working; don't let the Conservatives wreck it etc. etc.'
This campaign slogon by Labour is a bit like a magic eye picture, if
you don't sit back then you won't see what's really there.
What it really says is this:
'Britain is working (to the bone). While we are in power, we will let
you into our country and take the money off hard working Britains to
pay for you.'
By allowing immigrants into the country by the millions, Labour are
cleverly making it less likely that terrorists will attack us -
because if they did attack, they'd be likely to wipe out members of
their own familes. Hence Tony blatantly agrees with Eric Wiener.
But on a more serious note, you wouldn't get away with playing by
terrorists' rules; what do you think Amnesty International would have
to say about it?
John Rowland
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>
> By allowing immigrants into the country by the
> millions, Labour are cleverly making it less
> likely that terrorists will attack us - because
> if they did attack, they'd be likely to wipe out
> members of their own familes.
Yes, the presence of millions of Irish in Britain did a great job of
preventing the IRA from bombing us in the 1970s!
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> "Lukipela" <luki...@lycos.com> wrote in message
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> >
> > By allowing immigrants into the country by the
> > millions, Labour are cleverly making it less
> > likely that terrorists will attack us - because
> > if they did attack, they'd be likely to wipe out
> > members of their own familes.
>
> Yes, the presence of millions of Irish in Britain did a great job of
> preventing the IRA from bombing us in the 1970s!
What?! If what you say is true, then the stories on the news must have
been false! How have you heard of this important information?