Finucane family attack secretive murder inquiry as fiasco and circus
Diarmid Logan
Finucane family attack secretive murder inquiry as fiasco and circus
Rosie Cowan, crime correspondent
Friday September 24, 2004
The Guardian
The government will hold a judicial inquiry into one of the most
controversial murders of the Northern Irish troubles - that of Belfast
solicitor Pat Finucane, in 1989.
But the Finucane family are angry as it appears much of the evidence
will be heard in private, due to the sensitivities surrounding
allegations of security force collusion with his loyalist terrorist
killers.
Paul Murphy, the Northern Ireland secretary, said yesterday that the
inquiry would be given all the powers and resources it needed.
However, he added: "Because this case deals with issues of national
security, much of the proceedings will have to take place in private."
Some of the inquiry might be held in public, but that would depend on
legislation to be introduced soon.
The family has campaigned for a public, independent tri bunal which
they believe is the only forum which can expose the full story.
Mr Finucane's widow, Geraldine, said last night that she would not
participate in any inquiry which fell short of this, as it would be a
"fiasco and a circus". She insisted there was no need for new law when
legislation already catered for national security interests.
"The fact that he [Paul Murphy] has not announced a 'public' inquiry
means the government probably does not intend to have a proper
inquiry. We have been asking for the truth to emerge for the last 15
years. Special legislation when it isn't needed can only mean what
will emerge is cover-up and lies.
"We will go and see Tony Blair and make it clear that if he presents
us with an inquiry that is not public, not judicial and not
independent, which is a government investigation, we will not take
part."
Sinn Fein and the SDLP, which said they pressed the prime minister for
a full public inquiry at last week's peace talks at Leeds Castle, also
criticised the announcement.
Mr Finucane, 39, was shot dead in front of his wife and their three
children as they ate dinner at their north Belfast home in February
1989. The loyalist Ulster Defence Association, said it killed the
solicitor, who represented many high profile republican clients,
because he was a top IRA man, a claim denied by his relatives.
Suggestions of collusion surfaced almost immediately. It was claimed
Royal Ulster Constabulary detectives urged loyalists to target Mr
Finucane and that roadblocks near his home were lifted to allow his
killers to escape.
In 1992, an army/UDA double agent Brian Nelson told the BBC's Panorama
that he scouted Mr Finucane's home and gave details to the killers.
Sir John Stevens, the Metropolitan police commissioner, said last year
that cooperation between rogue police and army officers and loyalist
paramilitaries in the late 1980s and early 1990s led to at least 20
murders, including that of Mr Finucane. Sir John has forwarded more
than 20 files on former and serving police and soldiers to the
director of public prosecutions.
Earlier this year, retired Canadian judge Peter Cory recommended a
public inquiry, but the government said it could not go ahead because
legal proceedings were active.
However, last week, loyalist Ken Barrett, 41, admitted the murder and
was sentenced to life. He is the only person convicted over the
killing, but will be freed early under the Good Friday agreement,
possibly in a few months.
The Finucane family said they were never particularly interested in
the gunmen whom they saw as pawns in larger game.
Falcon
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> http://www.guardian.co.uk/Northern_Ireland/Story/0,2763,1311707,00.html
[...]
Judge Corey's report into collusion allegations had said the inquiry should
be "to the extent possible to be held in public". The fact is that if anyone
thinks that information which may compromise ongoing security operations is
going to be aired in open court, they are living in cloud-cuckoo land.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/media/audio/40106000/rm/_40106294_murphy_gmu24.ram
--
Falcon:
fide, sed cui vide. (L)
Private Robert Bloomer, Ulster Defence Regiment. Off duty. Died seven days
after being shot outside his home - 24th September 1977. Aged 29.
michael adams
"Falcon" <fal...@usenet.net> wrote in message
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> The fact is that if anyone thinks that information which may
> compromise ongoing security operations is going to be aired in
> open court, they are living in cloud-cuckoo land.
The only ongoing security operation here sunshine, involves covering
their own murdering, lying arses.
And anyone who believes otherwise is either a total dickhead
or a bare faced liar.
The choice is yours.
michael adams
Dirty Den (Lesley Grantham) murdered a German Taxi driver while
serving in the British Army in West Germany.
British troops 'gang raped Masai women'
http://tinyurl.com/4b9eu
Sitting in her shack in the Masai village of Dol Dol, near
Mount Kenya, Elizabeth Naeki remembers how the British soldiers
smelled of booze as they forced their way into her house.
http://observer.guardian.co.uk/international/story/0,,815403,00.html
...
> --
> Falcon:
Falcon
"michael adams" <mjad...@onetel.net.uk> wrote in message
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>
> "Falcon" <fal...@usenet.net> wrote in message
> news:MXW4d.140$Dn4...@newsfe5-win.ntli.net...
>
>
>> The fact is that if anyone thinks that information which may
>> compromise ongoing security operations is going to be aired in
>> open court, they are living in cloud-cuckoo land.
>
>
> The only ongoing security operation here sunshine, involves covering
> their own murdering, lying arses.
That's no way to talk about your friends in SF/IRA
[...]
> Dirty Den (Lesley Grantham) [...]
Avid eastend-watcher, are you? Thought as much.
--
Falcon:
fide, sed cui vide. (L)
One I didn't have time for earlier:
Private Martin Patten, Royal Anglian Regiment. Off Duty. Shot 6 times by
gunmen while walking back to his base from a disco in Londonderry - 22nd
September 1985 - Aged 18.
Musician Michael Francis Ball, Royal Marines. Aged 24.
Musician John Andrew Cleatheroe, Royal Marines. Aged 25.
Band Corporal Trevor Edward, Royal Marines. Aged 39.
Musician Richard George Fice, Royal Marines. Aged 22.
Musician Richard Mark Jones, Royal Marines. Aged 27.
Band Corporal David McMillan, Royal Marines. Aged 26.
Band Corporal Dean Patrick Pavey, Royal Marines. Aged 31.
Musician Mark Petch, Royal Marines. Aged 24.
Musician Timothy Reeves, Royal Marines. Aged 24.
Musician Robert Simmonds, Royal Marines. Aged 34.
Killed by a bomb at the Royal Marines school of music in Deal, Kent - 22nd
September 1989.
BOEDICIA
>circus
>From: "Falcon" fal...@usenet.net
>Date: 9/24/04 8:57 AM Pacific Daylight Time
>Message-id: <LtX4d.146$Dn4...@newsfe5-win.ntli.net>
Tim Parry and Jonathan Ball, children
who went out on Mother's Day to buy cards, murdered by the vile, Bolshie filth
of
the IRA cowards.
The Hanna family, father, mother, teenaged daughter, blown up in a "mistaken"
bombing by the filth of the IRA. who "meant to kill a judge, his wife and
daughter".
The IRA and those who find excuses for them are the scum of the earth. The
British Army should bulldoze the homes of all of them. - Works for Israel.
puggy
that they were disapointed in what they heard but would wait for the full
details before making any decisions or comments.
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hmhawktoo
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>
> "Diarmid Logan" <diarmi...@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:622d5dd0.04092...@posting.google.com...
>> http://www.guardian.co.uk/Northern_Ireland/Story/0,2763,1311707,00.htm
>> l
> [...]
>
> Judge Corey's report into collusion allegations had said the inquiry
> should be "to the extent possible to be held in public". The fact is
> that if anyone thinks that information which may compromise ongoing
> security operations is going to be aired in open court, they are
> living in cloud-cuckoo land.
> http://news.bbc.co.uk/media/audio/40106000/rm/_40106294_murphy_gmu24.ra
> m
>
or:-
The fact is that if anyone thinks that information which may compromise the
cover up of the british terror campaign in Ireland is going to be aired in
open court, they are living in cloud-cuckoo land.
But, dearest friend Falcy, rest easy. Be totally and absolutely assured
that that justice WILL be done and unionism is nearing it's end. :-)
Max Muir
> British troops 'gang raped Masai women'
> http://tinyurl.com/4b9eu
> Sitting in her shack in the Masai village of Dol Dol, near
> Mount Kenya, Elizabeth Naeki remembers how the British soldiers
> smelled of booze as they forced their way into her house.
>
> http://observer.guardian.co.uk/international/story/0,,815403,00.html
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/africa/3140592.stm
"A forensic examination of police records in Kenya has concluded that
all known reports of alleged rape by British army soldiers are
forgeries."
Anyone who believes otherwise is a paranoid flake or a bare-faced
liar.
Falcon
"Max Muir" <orb_at_ct...@fastmail.co.uk> wrote in message
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Didn't you know? This is SCI, and Adams is republican and anti-British. So
one only needs to whisper an allegation against a soldier for it to be true.
Any old thing will do.
--
Falcon:
fide, sed cui vide. (L)
Corporal Leon Bush, Worcester and Sherwood Foresters. Killed by a booby-trap
bomb in West Belfast - 27th September 1982 - Aged 22.
michael adams
>
> "Max Muir" <orb_at_ct...@fastmail.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:62bff1fb.04092...@posting.google.com...
> >
> > Anyone who believes otherwise is a paranoid flake or a bare-faced
> > liar.
That from a looney tune who posts under about 30 different
pseudonyms.
Most impressive I must say!
Oh and you forgot to mention your stunning IQ or your impresive
list of qualifications in this post, dickhead.
Your phenomenal memory must be failing you.
Let's hope Falcon\Budgie chirps in on your reply, or I'll
miss that one as well.
Shame!
Bye bye sillymax.
Bye bye
michael adams
John P. Mullen
> "Diarmid Logan" <diarmi...@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:622d5dd0.04092...@posting.google.com...
>
>>http://www.guardian.co.uk/Northern_Ireland/Story/0,2763,1311707,00.html
>
> [...]
>
> Judge Corey's report into collusion allegations had said the inquiry should
> be "to the extent possible to be held in public". The fact is that if anyone
> thinks that information which may compromise ongoing security operations is
> going to be aired in open court, they are living in cloud-cuckoo land.
> http://news.bbc.co.uk/media/audio/40106000/rm/_40106294_murphy_gmu24.ram
And, what ongoing security operation would that be? While you are at
it, you might explain why this security issue did not arise until
Barrett pled out?
I think just about everybody figures that the "security" is just a
smokescreen to avoid releasing information that might actually identify
the criminals responsible for this act.
John Mullen
Falcon
"John P. Mullen" <jomu...@zianet.com> wrote in message
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> Falcon wrote:
>
>> "Diarmid Logan" <diarmi...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:622d5dd0.04092...@posting.google.com...
>>
>>>http://www.guardian.co.uk/Northern_Ireland/Story/0,2763,1311707,00.html
>>
>> [...]
>>
>> Judge Corey's report into collusion allegations had said the inquiry
>> should be "to the extent possible to be held in public". The fact is that
>> if anyone thinks that information which may compromise ongoing security
>> operations is going to be aired in open court, they are living in
>> cloud-cuckoo land.
>> http://news.bbc.co.uk/media/audio/40106000/rm/_40106294_murphy_gmu24.ram
>
Operations, plural. "They haven't gone away, you know."
--
Falcon:
fide, sed cui vide. (L)
Falcon
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> Scríobh "Falcon" <fal...@usenet.net>:
>>
>>"John P. Mullen" <jomu...@zianet.com> wrote in message
>>news:4156...@nntp.zianet.com...
>>> Falcon wrote:
>>>
>>>> "Diarmid Logan" <diarmi...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:622d5dd0.04092...@posting.google.com...
>>>>
>>>>>http://www.guardian.co.uk/Northern_Ireland/Story/0,2763,1311707,00.html
>>>>
>>>> [...]
>>>>
>>>> Judge Corey's report into collusion allegations had said the inquiry
>>>> should be "to the extent possible to be held in public". The fact is
>>>> that
>>>> if anyone thinks that information which may compromise ongoing security
>>>> operations is going to be aired in open court, they are living in
>>>> cloud-cuckoo land.
>>>> http://news.bbc.co.uk/media/audio/40106000/rm/_40106294_murphy_gmu24.ram
>>>
>>> And, what ongoing security operation would that be? [...]
>>
>>Operations, plural. "They haven't gone away, you know."
>
Them: The Irish Republican Army (all varieties), Cumann na mBan, Fianna na
hEireann, the Red Hand Commando, Saor Eire, the Ulster Freedom Fighters, the
Ulster Volunteer Force, the Irish National Liberation Army, the Irish
People's Liberation Organisation, the Ulster Defence Association, the
Loyalist Volunteer Force, the Continuity Army Council, the Orange
Volunteers, the Red Hand Defenders. I would take a wild guess that security
policy is, when they go away, we will. Until then - it's a damned dirty job,
but someone has to do it.
max.it
>Scríobh "Falcon" <fal...@usenet.net>:
>Worryingly, security policy sometimes seems to be, if they go away,
>we're out of a job. Bring them back and secure jobs for the boys.
>
There are plently of jobs for the police without running around after
armies of thugs.
max.it (the orange cage)
>--
>"Ferr fíor fertaib"
>© Féachadóir
Falcon
"Féachadóir" <Féach@d.óir> wrote in message
> Scríobh "Falcon" <fal...@usenet.net>:
[...]
>>Them: The Irish Republican Army (all varieties), Cumann na mBan, Fianna na
>>hEireann, the Red Hand Commando, Saor Eire, the Ulster Freedom Fighters,
>>the
>>Ulster Volunteer Force, the Irish National Liberation Army, the Irish
>>People's Liberation Organisation, the Ulster Defence Association, the
>>Loyalist Volunteer Force, the Continuity Army Council, the Orange
>>Volunteers, the Red Hand Defenders. I would take a wild guess that
>>security
>>policy is, when they go away, we will. Until then - it's a damned dirty
>>job,
>>but someone has to do it.
>
> Worryingly, security policy sometimes seems to be, if they go away,
> we're out of a job. Bring them back and secure jobs for the boys.
There are always other jobs to interest warriors. Take for example the MoD;
their policy is outlined in some detail and available at
http://www.mod.uk/issues/security/index.html
The interesting thing about this document is that it takes some time to find
the MoD's policy for Northern Ireland amongst the plethora of other things
they would like to be doing with their time and money: Northern Ireland is
mentioned twice. I think, if you're honest, you'll find a similar lack of
interest in continued Irish terrorism in police and security services policy
and planning documents. Things have moved on since the heady days of the
troubles and to be honest, in my humble opinion, just about everyone would
like the problem to go away so that they can get on with something more
important.
If the Irish (generic term - nothing personal intended) would take a break
from looking at their own navels for a moment, they would see that.
Falcon
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[...]
> There are plently of jobs for the police without running around after
> armies of thugs.
Quite: See my post at 17:38 pm.
Falcon
"Féachadóir" <Féach@d.óir> wrote in message
> Scríobh "Falcon" <fal...@usenet.net>:
>
>>If the Irish (generic term - nothing personal intended) would take a break
>>from looking at their own navels for a moment, they would see that.
>
> isn't nordie infested, just the one, and I'll stay away from the
> nordiethread for a week.
Not fair: I haven't started one for weeks.
Anyway, although social work isn't my strong point, I'll see what I can
do...
... but the signature stays ...
... and I'll work on what Doc meant by "Sir Jock Stirrup" in my spare time
... ;-)
John P. Mullen
>
> Them: The Irish Republican Army (all varieties), Cumann na mBan, Fianna na
> hEireann, the Red Hand Commando, Saor Eire, the Ulster Freedom Fighters, the
> Ulster Volunteer Force, the Irish National Liberation Army, the Irish
> People's Liberation Organisation, the Ulster Defence Association, the
> Loyalist Volunteer Force, the Continuity Army Council, the Orange
> Volunteers, the Red Hand Defenders. I would take a wild guess that security
> policy is, when they go away, we will. Until then - it's a damned dirty job,
> but someone has to do it.
>
A few Loyalist thugs are told to kill a Lawyer by members of the police
and army and you really think this was part of an anti-terrorist
operation? Look around you and see what is happening.
John Mullen
Falcon
Who said that? I certainly didn't.
>Look around you and see what is happening.
I look forward to the day when I understand how you read the first paragraph
and came to assume that I meant the second. I think I may have to wait some
time.
telmey�@ntlworld.moc
>
>"John P. Mullen" <jomu...@zianet.com> wrote in message
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>> Falcon wrote:
>>>
>>> Them: The Irish Republican Army (all varieties), Cumann na mBan, Fianna
>>> na hEireann, the Red Hand Commando, Saor Eire, the Ulster Freedom
>>> Fighters, the Ulster Volunteer Force, the Irish National Liberation Army,
>>> the Irish People's Liberation Organisation, the Ulster Defence
>>> Association, the Loyalist Volunteer Force, the Continuity Army Council,
>>> the Orange Volunteers, the Red Hand Defenders. I would take a wild guess
>>> that security policy is, when they go away, we will. Until then - it's a
>>> damned dirty job, but someone has to do it.
>>>
>>
>> A few Loyalist thugs are told to kill a Lawyer by members of the police
>> and army and you really think this was part of an anti-terrorist
>> operation?
>
>Who said that? I certainly didn't.
>
>>Look around you and see what is happening.
>
>I look forward to the day when I understand how you read the first paragraph
>and came to assume that I meant the second. I think I may have to wait some
>time.
LOVL remember the words - - Tiocfaidh Ar
(Both impossible )
Tel.
I don't kill file, I like to mess with their minds
BfB
HA! It's more like banishing the *shithead* soldiers to Ireland!
GoldenArse
"BfB" <y...@no.yes> wrote in message
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> HA! It's more like banishing the *shithead* soldiers to Ireland!
Or to Boston where they germinated you.
GA
Claire Easthope
A little infestation they had over in Boston! :-)
John P. Mullen
> "John P. Mullen" <jomu...@zianet.com> wrote in message
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>
>>Falcon wrote:
>>
>>>Them: The Irish Republican Army (all varieties), Cumann na mBan, Fianna
>>>na hEireann, the Red Hand Commando, Saor Eire, the Ulster Freedom
>>>Fighters, the Ulster Volunteer Force, the Irish National Liberation Army,
>>>the Irish People's Liberation Organisation, the Ulster Defence
>>>Association, the Loyalist Volunteer Force, the Continuity Army Council,
>>>the Orange Volunteers, the Red Hand Defenders. I would take a wild guess
>>>that security policy is, when they go away, we will. Until then - it's a
>>>damned dirty job, but someone has to do it.
>>>
>>
>>A few Loyalist thugs are told to kill a Lawyer by members of the police
>>and army and you really think this was part of an anti-terrorist
>>operation?
>
>
> Who said that? I certainly didn't.
>
>
>>Look around you and see what is happening.
>
>
> I look forward to the day when I understand how you read the first paragraph
> and came to assume that I meant the second. I think I may have to wait some
> time.
>
John Mullen
Derek Bell
> Judge Corey's report into collusion allegations had said the inquiry should
> be "to the extent possible to be held in public". The fact is that if anyone
> thinks that information which may compromise ongoing security operations is
> going to be aired in open court, they are living in cloud-cuckoo land.
Claiming that national security would be compromised by the inquiry is
pretty much giving the government a blank cheque - it could cover
*anything* they wanted. A fully public enquiry would be best.
Derek
Falcon
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National security and the need to restrict information isn't an invention by
the needlessly paranoid, or the criminally culpable, it's a necessity forced
upon democracies the world over. If the British are wrong in considering it
important, then so is every other government on the planet - without
exception. Paradoxically, although it wasn't invented by the needlessly
paranoid, it's main by-product is paranoia an suspicion amongst those on the
outside of the grid. That's unfortunate - but unavoidable. Most of us simply
can't be trusted. ;-)
--
Falcon:
fide, sed cui vide. (L)
Private Ian Burt, Royal Anglians. Shot dead when his patrol was ambushed in
the Lower Falls area of West Belfast, 29th September 1972 - Aged 18.
Private Mark Stockman, Ulster Defence Regiment. Off Duty: Shot while on his
lunch break from work on the Springfield Rd, West Belfast. 29th September
1981 - Aged 20.
Fifteen years ago today, the funeral took place of Staff Sergeant Kevin
Froggett, Royal Signals. He was shot dead as he replaced a radio antenna at
Coalisland RUC station on 16th September 1989. Kevin was 35 years old. His
killer was released under the GFA.
Max Muir
> "Max Muir" <orb_at_ct...@fastmail.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:62bff1fb.04092...@posting.google.com...
> > "michael adams" <mjad...@onetel.net.uk> wrote
> >
> >> British troops 'gang raped Masai women'
> >> http://tinyurl.com/4b9eu
> >> Sitting in her shack in the Masai village of Dol Dol, near
> >> Mount Kenya, Elizabeth Naeki remembers how the British soldiers
> >> smelled of booze as they forced their way into her house.
> >>
> >> http://observer.guardian.co.uk/international/story/0,,815403,00.html
> >
> >
> > http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/africa/3140592.stm
> >
> > "A forensic examination of police records in Kenya has concluded that
> > all known reports of alleged rape by British army soldiers are
> > forgeries."
>
> one only needs to whisper an allegation against a soldier for it to be true.
> Any old thing will do.
It's very easy to make these smears and takes a lot of trouble
to refute them. Moreover, people are so partisan and unreasonable
that they probably dismiss the eventual vindication as mere whitewash.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/3716151.stm
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/northern_ireland/3593027.stm
Regards,
Max