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Tim
Sep 19, 2017, 1:07:39 PM9/19/17
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Given systematic abuses of the disabled the UK can no longer be called a
civilised country.
civilised country.
Wise TibetanMonkey, Most Humble Philosopher
Sep 19, 2017, 2:18:48 PM9/19/17
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On Tuesday, September 19, 2017 at 1:07:39 PM UTC-4, Tim wrote:
> Given systematic abuses of the disabled the UK can no longer be called a
> civilised country.
Gee, in America the abused people are the fittest, namely the cyclists and pedestrians.
> Given systematic abuses of the disabled the UK can no longer be called a
> civilised country.
saracene
Sep 19, 2017, 2:42:24 PM9/19/17
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On Tuesday, September 19, 2017 at 6:07:39 PM UTC+1, Tim wrote:
> Given systematic abuses of the disabled the UK can no longer be called a
> civilised country.
I'm disabled and people are very nice to me. They give up their seats for me on the bus. In Russia they'd probably kick me over.
> Given systematic abuses of the disabled the UK can no longer be called a
> civilised country.
Tim
Sep 19, 2017, 3:01:46 PM9/19/17
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not physically disabled. Coping with being on a bus is another matter
entirely.
saracene
Sep 19, 2017, 3:14:39 PM9/19/17
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Tim
Sep 19, 2017, 3:43:53 PM9/19/17
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gets the equivalent of under 100 euros a month for being disabled.
saracene
Sep 19, 2017, 3:53:50 PM9/19/17
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abelard
Sep 19, 2017, 4:02:02 PM9/19/17
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On Tue, 19 Sep 2017 18:07:36 +0100, Tim <firem...@gatty.co.uk>
wrote:
>Given systematic abuses of the disabled the UK can no longer be called a
>civilised country.
how much will they have to pay you to make them civilised?
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wrote:
>Given systematic abuses of the disabled the UK can no longer be called a
>civilised country.
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abelard
Sep 19, 2017, 4:03:52 PM9/19/17
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On Tue, 19 Sep 2017 20:01:44 +0100, Tim <firem...@gatty.co.uk>
wrote:
>On 19/09/2017 19:42, saracene wrote:
>> On Tuesday, September 19, 2017 at 6:07:39 PM UTC+1, Tim wrote:
>>> Given systematic abuses of the disabled the UK can no longer be called a
>>> civilised country.
>>
>> I'm disabled and people are very nice to me. They give up their seats for me on the bus. In Russia they'd probably kick me over.
>>
>
>I wouldn't expect anyone to give up their seat for me. I'm mentally ill
>not physically disabled.
but you can give up socialism...but it would be harder to grow a new
leg until biotech figures that out
>Coping with being on a bus is another matter
>entirely.
i'm sure we can provide you with a taxi
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wrote:
>On 19/09/2017 19:42, saracene wrote:
>> On Tuesday, September 19, 2017 at 6:07:39 PM UTC+1, Tim wrote:
>>> Given systematic abuses of the disabled the UK can no longer be called a
>>> civilised country.
>>
>> I'm disabled and people are very nice to me. They give up their seats for me on the bus. In Russia they'd probably kick me over.
>>
>
>I wouldn't expect anyone to give up their seat for me. I'm mentally ill
>not physically disabled.
leg until biotech figures that out
>Coping with being on a bus is another matter
>entirely.
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Oleg Smirnov
Sep 19, 2017, 4:04:58 PM9/19/17
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saracene, <news:45340815-84e8-4ae7...@googlegroups.com>
There's quite an old Russian custom to give up seats on the bus, on the
subway car etc to the disabled, elderly, pregnant, also to women or men
accompanied with young children. The vast majority of people follow this
custom regardless of their social background. And the migrants from the
Central Asia follow it well too.
What true is, there's some lack of special infrastructure for disabled
in the urban environment in Russia, but that is mainly a legacy of the
poor / flawed Soviet design rather than a consequence of popular mores;
the new urban developments are being designed and implemented taking into
account the needs of the disabled.
> On Tuesday, September 19, 2017 at 6:07:39 PM UTC+1, Tim
>> Given systematic abuses of the disabled the UK can no
>> longer be called a civilised country.
>
> I'm disabled and people are very nice to me. They give up
> their seats for me on the bus. In Russia they'd probably
> kick me over.
Why are you so fixated on Russia?
>> longer be called a civilised country.
>
> I'm disabled and people are very nice to me. They give up
> their seats for me on the bus. In Russia they'd probably
> kick me over.
There's quite an old Russian custom to give up seats on the bus, on the
subway car etc to the disabled, elderly, pregnant, also to women or men
accompanied with young children. The vast majority of people follow this
custom regardless of their social background. And the migrants from the
Central Asia follow it well too.
What true is, there's some lack of special infrastructure for disabled
in the urban environment in Russia, but that is mainly a legacy of the
poor / flawed Soviet design rather than a consequence of popular mores;
the new urban developments are being designed and implemented taking into
account the needs of the disabled.
gramps
Sep 19, 2017, 4:34:05 PM9/19/17
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On Tuesday, September 19, 2017 at 12:53:50 PM UTC-7, saracene wrote:
>
> I've got a radar key for use in disabled bogs all over the country.
But not all of them at once, from remote locations, right?
>
> I've got a radar key for use in disabled bogs all over the country.
saracene
Sep 19, 2017, 5:45:43 PM9/19/17
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On Tuesday, September 19, 2017 at 9:04:58 PM UTC+1, Oleg Smirnov wrote:
> saracene, <news:45340815-84e8-4ae7...@googlegroups.com>
> > On Tuesday, September 19, 2017 at 6:07:39 PM UTC+1, Tim
>
> >> Given systematic abuses of the disabled the UK can no
> >> longer be called a civilised country.
> >
> > I'm disabled and people are very nice to me. They give up
> > their seats for me on the bus. In Russia they'd probably
> > kick me over.
>
> Why are you so fixated on Russia?
My younger son lived there for a year. He's also got a Russian girlfriend.
> saracene, <news:45340815-84e8-4ae7...@googlegroups.com>
> > On Tuesday, September 19, 2017 at 6:07:39 PM UTC+1, Tim
>
> >> Given systematic abuses of the disabled the UK can no
> >> longer be called a civilised country.
> >
> > I'm disabled and people are very nice to me. They give up
> > their seats for me on the bus. In Russia they'd probably
> > kick me over.
>
> Why are you so fixated on Russia?
Oleg Smirnov
Sep 19, 2017, 5:57:51 PM9/19/17
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saracene, <news:55b34005-7865-409f...@googlegroups.com>
Your trolling is pretty shoddy.
> On Tuesday, September 19, 2017 at 9:04:58 PM UTC+1, Oleg Smirnov wrote:
>> saracene, <news:45340815-84e8-4ae7...@googlegroups.com>
>>> On Tuesday, September 19, 2017 at 6:07:39 PM UTC+1, Tim
>>
>>>> Given systematic abuses of the disabled the UK can no
>>>> longer be called a civilised country.
>>>
>>> I'm disabled and people are very nice to me. They give
>>> up their seats for me on the bus. In Russia they'd
>>> probably kick me over.
>>
>> Why are you so fixated on Russia?
>
> My younger son lived there for a year. He's also got a Russian girlfriend.
You seem to be such a family of freaks.
>> saracene, <news:45340815-84e8-4ae7...@googlegroups.com>
>>> On Tuesday, September 19, 2017 at 6:07:39 PM UTC+1, Tim
>>
>>>> Given systematic abuses of the disabled the UK can no
>>>> longer be called a civilised country.
>>>
>>> I'm disabled and people are very nice to me. They give
>>> up their seats for me on the bus. In Russia they'd
>>> probably kick me over.
>>
>> Why are you so fixated on Russia?
>
> My younger son lived there for a year. He's also got a Russian girlfriend.
Your trolling is pretty shoddy.
saracene
Sep 19, 2017, 6:40:23 PM9/19/17
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On Tuesday, September 19, 2017 at 10:57:51 PM UTC+1, Oleg Smirnov wrote:
> You seem to be such a family of freaks.
>
> Your trolling is pretty shoddy.
>
I'm not trolling. Reports are that there is a higher proportion of ill disposed prople in Russia than in Britain. Now I have only one leg I find people in London are very largely considerate and helpful.
> You seem to be such a family of freaks.
>
> Your trolling is pretty shoddy.
>
JNugent
Sep 19, 2017, 8:46:00 PM9/19/17
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On 19/09/2017 20:01, Tim wrote:
> On 19/09/2017 19:42, saracene wrote:
>> On Tuesday, September 19, 2017 at 6:07:39 PM UTC+1, Tim wrote:
>>> Given systematic abuses of the disabled the UK can no longer be called a
>>> civilised country.
>>
>> I'm disabled and people are very nice to me. They give up their seats
>> for me on the bus. In Russia they'd probably kick me over.
> I wouldn't expect anyone to give up their seat for me. I'm mentally ill
> not physically disabled.
That at least explains your first claim.
> On 19/09/2017 19:42, saracene wrote:
>> On Tuesday, September 19, 2017 at 6:07:39 PM UTC+1, Tim wrote:
>>> Given systematic abuses of the disabled the UK can no longer be called a
>>> civilised country.
>>
>> I'm disabled and people are very nice to me. They give up their seats
>> for me on the bus. In Russia they'd probably kick me over.
> I wouldn't expect anyone to give up their seat for me. I'm mentally ill
> not physically disabled.
JNugent
Sep 19, 2017, 8:47:51 PM9/19/17
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UK can.
As you know, Romania is still trying to get off the ground economically
after the improverishment caused by decades of socialism.
Farmer Giles
Sep 20, 2017, 1:42:25 AM9/20/17
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On 19-Sep-17 10:45 PM, saracene wrote:
> On Tuesday, September 19, 2017 at 9:04:58 PM UTC+1, Oleg Smirnov wrote:
>> saracene, <news:45340815-84e8-4ae7...@googlegroups.com>
>>> On Tuesday, September 19, 2017 at 6:07:39 PM UTC+1, Tim
>>
>>>> Given systematic abuses of the disabled the UK can no
>>>> longer be called a civilised country.
>>>
>>> I'm disabled and people are very nice to me. They give up
>>> their seats for me on the bus. In Russia they'd probably
>>> kick me over.
>>
>> Why are you so fixated on Russia?
>
> My younger son lived there for a year. He's also got a Russian girlfriend.
>>
Both my daughters lived there for a year too - in St Petersburg. They
> On Tuesday, September 19, 2017 at 9:04:58 PM UTC+1, Oleg Smirnov wrote:
>> saracene, <news:45340815-84e8-4ae7...@googlegroups.com>
>>> On Tuesday, September 19, 2017 at 6:07:39 PM UTC+1, Tim
>>
>>>> Given systematic abuses of the disabled the UK can no
>>>> longer be called a civilised country.
>>>
>>> I'm disabled and people are very nice to me. They give up
>>> their seats for me on the bus. In Russia they'd probably
>>> kick me over.
>>
>> Why are you so fixated on Russia?
>
> My younger son lived there for a year. He's also got a Russian girlfriend.
>>
were studying Russian at university and had to spend a year abroad - and
both found [most] Russians to be helpful and friendly.
Was your son studying Russian at university?
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Sep 20, 2017, 2:24:14 AM9/20/17
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movement to 'desert' their country...
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saracene
Sep 20, 2017, 2:48:18 AM9/20/17
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On Wednesday, September 20, 2017 at 6:42:25 AM UTC+1, Farmer Giles wrote:
> On 19-Sep-17 10:45 PM, saracene wrote:
> > On Tuesday, September 19, 2017 at 9:04:58 PM UTC+1, Oleg Smirnov wrote:
> >> saracene, <news:45340815-84e8-4ae7...@googlegroups.com>
> >>> On Tuesday, September 19, 2017 at 6:07:39 PM UTC+1, Tim
> >>
> >>>> Given systematic abuses of the disabled the UK can no
> >>>> longer be called a civilised country.
> >>>
> >>> I'm disabled and people are very nice to me. They give up
> >>> their seats for me on the bus. In Russia they'd probably
> >>> kick me over.
> >>
> >> Why are you so fixated on Russia?
> >
> > My younger son lived there for a year. He's also got a Russian girlfriend.
> >>
>
> Both my daughters lived there for a year too - in St Petersburg. They
> were studying Russian at university and had to spend a year abroad - and
> both found [most] Russians to be helpful and friendly.
>
> Was your son studying Russian at university?
>
>
>
Yes. He spent 6 months in Moscow & 6 in St Petersburg.
> On 19-Sep-17 10:45 PM, saracene wrote:
> > On Tuesday, September 19, 2017 at 9:04:58 PM UTC+1, Oleg Smirnov wrote:
> >> saracene, <news:45340815-84e8-4ae7...@googlegroups.com>
> >>> On Tuesday, September 19, 2017 at 6:07:39 PM UTC+1, Tim
> >>
> >>>> Given systematic abuses of the disabled the UK can no
> >>>> longer be called a civilised country.
> >>>
> >>> I'm disabled and people are very nice to me. They give up
> >>> their seats for me on the bus. In Russia they'd probably
> >>> kick me over.
> >>
> >> Why are you so fixated on Russia?
> >
> > My younger son lived there for a year. He's also got a Russian girlfriend.
> >>
>
> Both my daughters lived there for a year too - in St Petersburg. They
> were studying Russian at university and had to spend a year abroad - and
> both found [most] Russians to be helpful and friendly.
>
> Was your son studying Russian at university?
>
>
>
Oleg Smirnov
Sep 20, 2017, 2:58:50 AM9/20/17
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saracene, <news:0aa14f48-4ea8-4046...@googlegroups.com>
There are actually no such reports, and you would hardly be able to find
any specific numbers in order to prove your 'higher proportion' claim.
Some reports <http://u.to/zipBEA>, <http://u.to/6ipBEA> give comparable
numbers for Russia and the UK. That's still not accurate, the numbers are
outdated, and there's no universally accepted methodology in this field.
But even if the 'higher proportion' claim was true, it's irrelevant,
because there's no logical consequence between the higher proportion and
'in Russia they'd probably kick me over' claim.
One of the relevant issues about the disabled in Russia, as I said, is a
deficiency of disabled-friendly infrastructure. The 'leftist' mass media
and NGOs love to over-exaggerate this fact as much as possible along with
promotion of particular heart-breaking stories about how the Russians hate
and mistreat the disabled (similar to the 'domestic violence' narratives).
The liberal MSM / NGOs do it because their - essentially Nazi - agenda is
to dehumanize the Russians in order to undermine Russia as a whole.
This is the kind of 'reports' you knew, and as you are a 'soft' Nazi too
(as most of the Brits) as well as a troll (personally), you had mentioned
Russia simply to troll and wank one more time about Russia.
The latter does not contradict the fact that you have only one leg.
any specific numbers in order to prove your 'higher proportion' claim.
Some reports <http://u.to/zipBEA>, <http://u.to/6ipBEA> give comparable
numbers for Russia and the UK. That's still not accurate, the numbers are
outdated, and there's no universally accepted methodology in this field.
But even if the 'higher proportion' claim was true, it's irrelevant,
because there's no logical consequence between the higher proportion and
'in Russia they'd probably kick me over' claim.
One of the relevant issues about the disabled in Russia, as I said, is a
deficiency of disabled-friendly infrastructure. The 'leftist' mass media
and NGOs love to over-exaggerate this fact as much as possible along with
promotion of particular heart-breaking stories about how the Russians hate
and mistreat the disabled (similar to the 'domestic violence' narratives).
The liberal MSM / NGOs do it because their - essentially Nazi - agenda is
to dehumanize the Russians in order to undermine Russia as a whole.
This is the kind of 'reports' you knew, and as you are a 'soft' Nazi too
(as most of the Brits) as well as a troll (personally), you had mentioned
Russia simply to troll and wank one more time about Russia.
The latter does not contradict the fact that you have only one leg.
saracene
Sep 20, 2017, 3:36:58 AM9/20/17
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On Wednesday, September 20, 2017 at 7:58:50 AM UTC+1, Oleg Smirnov wrote:
> saracene, <news:0aa14f48-4ea8-4046...@googlegroups.com>
> > On Tuesday, September 19, 2017 at 10:57:51 PM UTC+1, Oleg Smirnov wrote:
> >
> >> You seem to be such a family of freaks.
> >>
> >> Your trolling is pretty shoddy.
> >>
> > I'm not trolling. Reports are that there is a higher proportion of ill
> > disposed prople in Russia than in Britain. Now I have only one leg I find
> > people in London are very largely considerate and helpful.
>
> There are actually no such reports,
Yes there are. Verbal reports, to me.
> saracene, <news:0aa14f48-4ea8-4046...@googlegroups.com>
> > On Tuesday, September 19, 2017 at 10:57:51 PM UTC+1, Oleg Smirnov wrote:
> >
> >> You seem to be such a family of freaks.
> >>
> >> Your trolling is pretty shoddy.
> >>
> > I'm not trolling. Reports are that there is a higher proportion of ill
> > disposed prople in Russia than in Britain. Now I have only one leg I find
> > people in London are very largely considerate and helpful.
>
> There are actually no such reports,
> and you would hardly be able to find
> any specific numbers in order to prove your 'higher proportion' claim.
>
> Some reports <http://u.to/zipBEA>, <http://u.to/6ipBEA> give comparable
> numbers for Russia and the UK. That's still not accurate, the numbers are
> outdated, and there's no universally accepted methodology in this field.
>
> But even if the 'higher proportion' claim was true, it's irrelevant,
> because there's no logical consequence between the higher proportion and
> 'in Russia they'd probably kick me over' claim.
>
> One of the relevant issues about the disabled in Russia, as I said, is a
> deficiency of disabled-friendly infrastructure. The 'leftist' mass media
> and NGOs love to over-exaggerate this fact as much as possible along with
> promotion of particular heart-breaking stories about how the Russians hate
> and mistreat the disabled (similar to the 'domestic violence' narratives).
> The liberal MSM / NGOs do it because their - essentially Nazi - agenda is
> to dehumanize the Russians in order to undermine Russia as a whole.
I didn't know amnything about them.
> One of the relevant issues about the disabled in Russia, as I said, is a
> deficiency of disabled-friendly infrastructure. The 'leftist' mass media
> and NGOs love to over-exaggerate this fact as much as possible along with
> promotion of particular heart-breaking stories about how the Russians hate
> and mistreat the disabled (similar to the 'domestic violence' narratives).
> The liberal MSM / NGOs do it because their - essentially Nazi - agenda is
> to dehumanize the Russians in order to undermine Russia as a whole.
>
>
> This is the kind of 'reports' you knew, and as you are a 'soft' Nazi too
> (as most of the Brits) as well as a troll (personally), you had mentioned
> Russia simply to troll and wank one more time about Russia.
You really should curb you filthy style.
>
> This is the kind of 'reports' you knew, and as you are a 'soft' Nazi too
> (as most of the Brits) as well as a troll (personally), you had mentioned
> Russia simply to troll and wank one more time about Russia.
saracene
Sep 20, 2017, 3:53:18 AM9/20/17
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On Wednesday, September 20, 2017 at 6:42:25 AM UTC+1, Farmer Giles wrote:
> On 19-Sep-17 10:45 PM, saracene wrote:
> > On Tuesday, September 19, 2017 at 9:04:58 PM UTC+1, Oleg Smirnov wrote:
> >> saracene, <news:45340815-84e8-4ae7...@googlegroups.com>
> >>> On Tuesday, September 19, 2017 at 6:07:39 PM UTC+1, Tim
> >>
> >>>> Given systematic abuses of the disabled the UK can no
> >>>> longer be called a civilised country.
> >>>
> >>> I'm disabled and people are very nice to me. They give up
> >>> their seats for me on the bus. In Russia they'd probably
> >>> kick me over.
> >>
> >> Why are you so fixated on Russia?
> >
> > My younger son lived there for a year. He's also got a Russian girlfriend.
> >>
>
> Both my daughters lived there for a year too - in St Petersburg. They
> were studying Russian at university
OUt of curiosity which one? My son was at Exeter. Not many British universities teach Russian now.
> > On Tuesday, September 19, 2017 at 9:04:58 PM UTC+1, Oleg Smirnov wrote:
> >> saracene, <news:45340815-84e8-4ae7...@googlegroups.com>
> >>> On Tuesday, September 19, 2017 at 6:07:39 PM UTC+1, Tim
> >>
> >>>> Given systematic abuses of the disabled the UK can no
> >>>> longer be called a civilised country.
> >>>
> >>> I'm disabled and people are very nice to me. They give up
> >>> their seats for me on the bus. In Russia they'd probably
> >>> kick me over.
> >>
> >> Why are you so fixated on Russia?
> >
> > My younger son lived there for a year. He's also got a Russian girlfriend.
> >>
>
> Both my daughters lived there for a year too - in St Petersburg. They
> were studying Russian at university
saracene
Sep 20, 2017, 3:55:11 AM9/20/17
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On Wednesday, September 20, 2017 at 7:58:50 AM UTC+1, Oleg Smirnov wrote:
> you had mentioned
> Russia simply to troll and wank one more time about Russia.
>
If I wanted to wank about Russia it would be to my memmories of Natasha or Svetlana.
> Russia simply to troll and wank one more time about Russia.
>
abelard
Sep 20, 2017, 5:12:52 AM9/20/17
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On Wed, 20 Sep 2017 00:36:56 -0700 (PDT), saracene
<john...@gmail.com> wrote:
>On Wednesday, September 20, 2017 at 7:58:50 AM UTC+1, Oleg Smirnov wrote:
>> saracene, <news:0aa14f48-4ea8-4046...@googlegroups.com>
>> > On Tuesday, September 19, 2017 at 10:57:51 PM UTC+1, Oleg Smirnov wrote:
>> >
>> >> You seem to be such a family of freaks.
>> >>
>> >> Your trolling is pretty shoddy.
>> >>
>> > I'm not trolling. Reports are that there is a higher proportion of ill
>> > disposed prople in Russia than in Britain. Now I have only one leg I find
>> > people in London are very largely considerate and helpful.
>>
>> There are actually no such reports,
>
>Yes there are. Verbal reports, to me.
it's a relatively poor country with an excess of drunks
<john...@gmail.com> wrote:
>On Wednesday, September 20, 2017 at 7:58:50 AM UTC+1, Oleg Smirnov wrote:
>> saracene, <news:0aa14f48-4ea8-4046...@googlegroups.com>
>> > On Tuesday, September 19, 2017 at 10:57:51 PM UTC+1, Oleg Smirnov wrote:
>> >
>> >> You seem to be such a family of freaks.
>> >>
>> >> Your trolling is pretty shoddy.
>> >>
>> > I'm not trolling. Reports are that there is a higher proportion of ill
>> > disposed prople in Russia than in Britain. Now I have only one leg I find
>> > people in London are very largely considerate and helpful.
>>
>> There are actually no such reports,
>
>Yes there are. Verbal reports, to me.
and other problems of poverty...
france has introduced a law that every public building
must have wheelie access....but then france is much richer
and has a form of philosophy that 'we're all in it together'
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Incubus
Sep 20, 2017, 6:30:06 AM9/20/17
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Oleg Smirnov
Sep 20, 2017, 6:30:21 AM9/20/17
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saracene, <news:002055c8-fd74-43e7...@googlegroups.com>
...
I knew Saracene's reports from 'Russian friends' before, they were certainly
not reliable, I also know some other people that love to refer to 'friends'
while telling bullshit and fiction, - it's such an occurring pattern.
> On Wednesday, September 20, 2017 at 7:58:50 AM UTC+1, Oleg Smirnov wrote:
>>>> You seem to be such a family of freaks.
>>>>
>>>> Your trolling is pretty shoddy.
>>>>
>>> I'm not trolling. Reports are that there is a higher
>>> proportion of ill disposed prople in Russia than in
>>> Britain. Now I have only one leg I find people in
>>> London are very largely considerate and helpful.
>>
>> There are actually no such reports,
>
> Yes there are. Verbal reports, to me.
>
>> and you would hardly be able to find
>> any specific numbers in order to prove your 'higher
>> proportion' claim.
>
> I'm not bothered to prove it statistcaslly.
Because you're trolling.
>>>> You seem to be such a family of freaks.
>>>>
>>>> Your trolling is pretty shoddy.
>>>>
>>> I'm not trolling. Reports are that there is a higher
>>> proportion of ill disposed prople in Russia than in
>>> Britain. Now I have only one leg I find people in
>>> London are very largely considerate and helpful.
>>
>> There are actually no such reports,
>
> Yes there are. Verbal reports, to me.
>
>> and you would hardly be able to find
>> any specific numbers in order to prove your 'higher
>> proportion' claim.
>
> I'm not bothered to prove it statistcaslly.
...
I knew Saracene's reports from 'Russian friends' before, they were certainly
not reliable, I also know some other people that love to refer to 'friends'
while telling bullshit and fiction, - it's such an occurring pattern.
saracene
Sep 20, 2017, 6:45:54 AM9/20/17
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On Wednesday, September 20, 2017 at 11:30:21 AM UTC+1, Oleg Smirnov wrote:
> saracene, <news:002055c8-fd74-43e7...@googlegroups.com>
> > On Wednesday, September 20, 2017 at 7:58:50 AM UTC+1, Oleg Smirnov wrote:
>
> >>>> You seem to be such a family of freaks.
> >>>>
> >>>> Your trolling is pretty shoddy.
> >>>>
> >>> I'm not trolling. Reports are that there is a higher
> >>> proportion of ill disposed prople in Russia than in
> >>> Britain. Now I have only one leg I find people in
> >>> London are very largely considerate and helpful.
> >>
> >> There are actually no such reports,
> >
> > Yes there are. Verbal reports, to me.
> >
> >> and you would hardly be able to find
> >> any specific numbers in order to prove your 'higher
> >> proportion' claim.
> >
> > I'm not bothered to prove it statistcaslly.
>
> Because you're trolling.
If I were at most I would be trying to annoy you. I admit that might be somewhere in the back of my mind, but it's not my main concern. There is something aobut our newsgroup you don't quite get.
> saracene, <news:002055c8-fd74-43e7...@googlegroups.com>
> > On Wednesday, September 20, 2017 at 7:58:50 AM UTC+1, Oleg Smirnov wrote:
>
> >>>> You seem to be such a family of freaks.
> >>>>
> >>>> Your trolling is pretty shoddy.
> >>>>
> >>> I'm not trolling. Reports are that there is a higher
> >>> proportion of ill disposed prople in Russia than in
> >>> Britain. Now I have only one leg I find people in
> >>> London are very largely considerate and helpful.
> >>
> >> There are actually no such reports,
> >
> > Yes there are. Verbal reports, to me.
> >
> >> and you would hardly be able to find
> >> any specific numbers in order to prove your 'higher
> >> proportion' claim.
> >
> > I'm not bothered to prove it statistcaslly.
>
> Because you're trolling.
>
> ...
>
> I knew Saracene's reports from 'Russian friends' before, they were certainly
> not reliable,
Whatr's not reliable? My friend Dave who I see once or twice a week had a Russian mother who escaped via Vladivostock in the 1930s. Her own father was a Metroplitan. I met her once, a fromidable old battleaxe. Dave taught English in Ekaterinburg and some nearby towns in the 1990s and had involvement with several women some of whom he brough over and with one of whom he is now living. So what's unreliable? What have I made up? I am very truthful in my posts though I know I annoy you.
> ...
>
> I knew Saracene's reports from 'Russian friends' before, they were certainly
> not reliable,
Oleg Smirnov
Sep 20, 2017, 7:00:22 AM9/20/17
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saracene, <news:bc06d46e-87c2-47e6...@googlegroups.com>
'1990s', for example. It's *very* outdated against the pace
of the Russian development. The mid-1990s was right the peak
(or the botoom) of the most gloomy disaster in Russia.
But, by and large I don't care about your private delusions.
You issued a slander, I clarified it, that's all.
of the Russian development. The mid-1990s was right the peak
(or the botoom) of the most gloomy disaster in Russia.
But, by and large I don't care about your private delusions.
You issued a slander, I clarified it, that's all.
abelard
Sep 20, 2017, 7:53:34 AM9/20/17
to
as it is not confused with statistical claims or dogmatism
all dogmatism is pants
--
www.abelard.org
saracene
Sep 20, 2017, 9:48:17 AM9/20/17
to
On Wednesday, September 20, 2017 at 12:00:22 PM UTC+1, Oleg Smirnov wrote:
> '1990s', for example. It's *very* outdated against the pace
> of the Russian development. The mid-1990s was right the peak
> (or the botoom) of the most gloomy disaster in Russia.
As I have said, we still get up to date personal reports on how things are these days. Mostly from Ekaterinburg. I also get some news from my son's girlfiiend, currently in Moscow. She originally comes from Bashkortostan a place I had never heard of but which is apparently the most populous republic in Russia.
> '1990s', for example. It's *very* outdated against the pace
> of the Russian development. The mid-1990s was right the peak
> (or the botoom) of the most gloomy disaster in Russia.
>
> But, by and large I don't care about your private delusions.
Don't care was made to care
> But, by and large I don't care about your private delusions.
Don't care was hung
Don't care was put in pot
And boiled till he was done.
>
> You issued a slander, I clarified it, that's all.
>
YOu also accused me of lying.
> You issued a slander, I clarified it, that's all.
>
BTW I've ralso read Gorky on the Russian character. Do you think that has changed radically over the past century or so?
Tim
Sep 20, 2017, 10:44:59 AM9/20/17
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Oleg Smirnov
Sep 20, 2017, 5:09:37 PM9/20/17
to
saracene, <news:fb36e6c6-9ddf-475f...@googlegroups.com>
most of the people somehow linked to you are of the sort too, so all this
may be interesting from a psychoanalytic perspective only.
I cited previously another English Nazi <http://archive.is/vPZSy> who
wrote a bold nonsense under disclaimer that he checked it 'carefully with
his Russian friends', - it's just a notable fact that such references to
'friends' usually mean nothing but delusional / opinionated nonsense and
fiction of some kind (even if it's not a deliberate misrepresentation).
> On Wednesday, September 20, 2017 at 12:00:22 PM UTC+1, Oleg Smirnov wrote:
>
>> '1990s', for example. It's *very* outdated against the
>> pace of the Russian development. The mid-1990s was right
>> the peak (or the botoom) of the most gloomy disaster in
>> Russia.
>
> As I have said, we still get up to date personal reports
> on how things are these days. Mostly from Ekaterinburg. I
> also get some news from my son's girlfiiend, currently
> in Moscow. She originally comes from Bashkortostan a
> place I had never heard of but which is apparently the
> most populous republic in Russia.
As you are a delusional freak yourself then it is natural to expect that
>
>> '1990s', for example. It's *very* outdated against the
>> pace of the Russian development. The mid-1990s was right
>> the peak (or the botoom) of the most gloomy disaster in
>> Russia.
>
> As I have said, we still get up to date personal reports
> on how things are these days. Mostly from Ekaterinburg. I
> also get some news from my son's girlfiiend, currently
> in Moscow. She originally comes from Bashkortostan a
> place I had never heard of but which is apparently the
> most populous republic in Russia.
most of the people somehow linked to you are of the sort too, so all this
may be interesting from a psychoanalytic perspective only.
I cited previously another English Nazi <http://archive.is/vPZSy> who
wrote a bold nonsense under disclaimer that he checked it 'carefully with
his Russian friends', - it's just a notable fact that such references to
'friends' usually mean nothing but delusional / opinionated nonsense and
fiction of some kind (even if it's not a deliberate misrepresentation).
saracene
Sep 20, 2017, 6:10:25 PM9/20/17
to
On Wednesday, September 20, 2017 at 10:09:37 PM UTC+1, Oleg Smirnov wrote:
> saracene, <news:fb36e6c6-9ddf-475f...@googlegroups.com>
> > On Wednesday, September 20, 2017 at 12:00:22 PM UTC+1, Oleg Smirnov wrote:
> >
> >> '1990s', for example. It's *very* outdated against the
> >> pace of the Russian development. The mid-1990s was right
> >> the peak (or the botoom) of the most gloomy disaster in
> >> Russia.
> >
> > As I have said, we still get up to date personal reports
> > on how things are these days. Mostly from Ekaterinburg. I
> > also get some news from my son's girlfiiend, currently
> > in Moscow. She originally comes from Bashkortostan a
> > place I had never heard of but which is apparently the
> > most populous republic in Russia.
>
> As you are a delusional freak yourself then it is natural to expect that
> most of the people somehow linked to you are of the sort too, so all this
> may be interesting from a psychoanalytic perspective only.
I'm pleased that I may be interesting you. I know it's your job to counter anything here that seems to put Russia in a negative light with postive prpaganda.
> saracene, <news:fb36e6c6-9ddf-475f...@googlegroups.com>
> > On Wednesday, September 20, 2017 at 12:00:22 PM UTC+1, Oleg Smirnov wrote:
> >
> >> '1990s', for example. It's *very* outdated against the
> >> pace of the Russian development. The mid-1990s was right
> >> the peak (or the botoom) of the most gloomy disaster in
> >> Russia.
> >
> > As I have said, we still get up to date personal reports
> > on how things are these days. Mostly from Ekaterinburg. I
> > also get some news from my son's girlfiiend, currently
> > in Moscow. She originally comes from Bashkortostan a
> > place I had never heard of but which is apparently the
> > most populous republic in Russia.
>
> As you are a delusional freak yourself then it is natural to expect that
> most of the people somehow linked to you are of the sort too, so all this
> may be interesting from a psychoanalytic perspective only.
As I have said I would like to see much closer relations between Russia and the UK. We could learn much from your political incorrectness.
He can't really be a Nazi because he's a Jew.
>who
> wrote a bold nonsense under disclaimer that he checked it 'carefully with
> his Russian friends', - it's just a notable fact that such references to
> 'friends' usually mean nothing but delusional / opinionated nonsense and
> fiction of some kind (even if it's not a deliberate misrepresentation).
Maybe I wouldn't get kicked over in Russia. That was an exaggeration.
I hope they pay you well for your efforts, though I doubt it. I remember hearing a Russian rock band in a Leningrad hotel in 1979. You remind me of them. You try hard.
>
Oleg Smirnov
Sep 21, 2017, 2:16:43 AM9/21/17
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saracene, <news:7a54fdde-25a7-4035...@googlegroups.com>
incorrectness is just one more of your delusions, it occurred
because the 'liberal progressive' Nazi MSM taught you (in order to
dehumanize the Russians) that the Russians are such tough bigots,
and you thought 'it's good, let us be like them in this respect'.
It reveals the fact that the naive right-wingers are themselves
heavily brainwashed by the shoddy leftist propaganda. They accept
its false narratives and believe 'facts', but interpret morals in
reverted and opposite way. Thus the left and the right complement
each other to produce the virtual reality of delusion.
>> I cited previously another English Nazi
>> <http://archive.is/vPZSy>
>
> He can't really be a Nazi because he's a Jew.
>
>> who
>> wrote a bold nonsense under disclaimer that he checked
>> it 'carefully with his Russian friends', - it's just a
>> notable fact that such references to 'friends' usually
>> mean nothing but delusional / opinionated nonsense and
>> fiction of some kind (even if it's not a deliberate
>> misrepresentation).
I think the fact he's a Jew (if really) doesn't matter much, as he
sounds genuinely English, people of the sort seem to maintain the
English national pride and narratives at least since the 19 century.
BBC's Robinson that issued the 'small island' fabrication is
Jewish. He did it at request of Cameron that's somewhat Jewish too.
And what changed that (rhetorical)?
Their fabrication did hit the English psyche / sore pride exactly,
so that no one even tried to think that it could be a fiction. And
all of those to whom I tried to tell that it's a fabrication, got
it so as if I sought to offend them, and responded either with
reasoning that the island is not small but great or with grimacing.
Nobody could accept that the point is not about whether the island
is small or not, but it's just about the fact that the very 'news'
about such a statement was a hoax, and the hoax was implemented
through big reputable outlets (the BBC and Telegraph). So I could
see that the people have been certainly zombified, which blocks some
channels in their mind. Maybe such a brain block also contributed,
eg. to the Rotherham case where everyone, for a long time, avoided
to notice the reality and react adequately.
> What have I said specifically that you disbelieve? I can
> explain to you all my Russian contacts and how I know
> them.
> Maybe I wouldn't get kicked over in Russia. That was an
> exaggeration.
> I hope they pay you well for your efforts, though I doubt
> it. I remember hearing a Russian rock band in a Leningrad
> hotel in 1979. You remind me of them. You try hard.
<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LBKuHpJprVI>
<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1fllYT6L6aI>
<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YHzjqD-lCnM>
Rock isn't a Russian thing at all. The Russians can play 'western'
music for real only like an irony over such music ('Messer Chups' do
well). Russian own pop is of its kind and it is for domestic public.
> On Wednesday, September 20, 2017 at 10:09:37 PM UTC+1, Oleg Smirnov wrote:
>>>> '1990s', for example. It's *very* outdated against the
>>>> pace of the Russian development. The mid-1990s was
>>>> right the peak (or the botoom) of the most gloomy
>>>> disaster in Russia.
>>>
>>> As I have said, we still get up to date personal reports
>>> on how things are these days. Mostly from Ekaterinburg.
>>> I also get some news from my son's girlfiiend, currently
>>> in Moscow. She originally comes from Bashkortostan a
>>> place I had never heard of but which is apparently the
>>> most populous republic in Russia.
>>
>> As you are a delusional freak yourself then it is
>> natural to expect that most of the people somehow linked
>> to you are of the sort too, so all this may be
>> interesting from a psychoanalytic perspective only.
>
> I'm pleased that I may be interesting you. I know it's
> your job to counter anything here that seems to put
> Russia in a negative light with postive prpaganda.
> As I have said I would like to see much closer relations
> between Russia and the UK. We could learn much from your
> political incorrectness.
The belief that Russia is specifically associated with political
>>>> '1990s', for example. It's *very* outdated against the
>>>> pace of the Russian development. The mid-1990s was
>>>> right the peak (or the botoom) of the most gloomy
>>>> disaster in Russia.
>>>
>>> As I have said, we still get up to date personal reports
>>> on how things are these days. Mostly from Ekaterinburg.
>>> I also get some news from my son's girlfiiend, currently
>>> in Moscow. She originally comes from Bashkortostan a
>>> place I had never heard of but which is apparently the
>>> most populous republic in Russia.
>>
>> As you are a delusional freak yourself then it is
>> natural to expect that most of the people somehow linked
>> to you are of the sort too, so all this may be
>> interesting from a psychoanalytic perspective only.
>
> I'm pleased that I may be interesting you. I know it's
> your job to counter anything here that seems to put
> Russia in a negative light with postive prpaganda.
> As I have said I would like to see much closer relations
> between Russia and the UK. We could learn much from your
> political incorrectness.
incorrectness is just one more of your delusions, it occurred
because the 'liberal progressive' Nazi MSM taught you (in order to
dehumanize the Russians) that the Russians are such tough bigots,
and you thought 'it's good, let us be like them in this respect'.
It reveals the fact that the naive right-wingers are themselves
heavily brainwashed by the shoddy leftist propaganda. They accept
its false narratives and believe 'facts', but interpret morals in
reverted and opposite way. Thus the left and the right complement
each other to produce the virtual reality of delusion.
>> I cited previously another English Nazi
>> <http://archive.is/vPZSy>
>
> He can't really be a Nazi because he's a Jew.
>
>> who
>> wrote a bold nonsense under disclaimer that he checked
>> it 'carefully with his Russian friends', - it's just a
>> notable fact that such references to 'friends' usually
>> mean nothing but delusional / opinionated nonsense and
>> fiction of some kind (even if it's not a deliberate
>> misrepresentation).
sounds genuinely English, people of the sort seem to maintain the
English national pride and narratives at least since the 19 century.
BBC's Robinson that issued the 'small island' fabrication is
Jewish. He did it at request of Cameron that's somewhat Jewish too.
And what changed that (rhetorical)?
Their fabrication did hit the English psyche / sore pride exactly,
so that no one even tried to think that it could be a fiction. And
all of those to whom I tried to tell that it's a fabrication, got
it so as if I sought to offend them, and responded either with
reasoning that the island is not small but great or with grimacing.
Nobody could accept that the point is not about whether the island
is small or not, but it's just about the fact that the very 'news'
about such a statement was a hoax, and the hoax was implemented
through big reputable outlets (the BBC and Telegraph). So I could
see that the people have been certainly zombified, which blocks some
channels in their mind. Maybe such a brain block also contributed,
eg. to the Rotherham case where everyone, for a long time, avoided
to notice the reality and react adequately.
> What have I said specifically that you disbelieve? I can
> explain to you all my Russian contacts and how I know
> them.
> Maybe I wouldn't get kicked over in Russia. That was an
> exaggeration.
> I hope they pay you well for your efforts, though I doubt
> it. I remember hearing a Russian rock band in a Leningrad
> hotel in 1979. You remind me of them. You try hard.
<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1fllYT6L6aI>
<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YHzjqD-lCnM>
Rock isn't a Russian thing at all. The Russians can play 'western'
music for real only like an irony over such music ('Messer Chups' do
well). Russian own pop is of its kind and it is for domestic public.
saracene
Sep 21, 2017, 3:26:34 AM9/21/17
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On Thursday, September 21, 2017 at 7:16:43 AM UTC+1, Oleg Smirnov wrote:
> >
> > I'm pleased that I may be interesting you. I know it's
> > your job to counter anything here that seems to put
> > Russia in a negative light with postive prpaganda.
> > As I have said I would like to see much closer relations
> > between Russia and the UK. We could learn much from your
> > political incorrectness.
>
> The belief that Russia is specifically associated with political
> incorrectness is just one more of your delusions, it occurred
> because the 'liberal progressive' Nazi MSM taught you (in order to
> dehumanize the Russians) that the Russians are such tough bigots,
> and you thought 'it's good, let us be like them in this respect'.
You are not mired down in feminism like we are surely? I wouldn't say you are bigots, just that you don't follow the shoddy American and west European model of meodernity, as you must agree. You've been through communism, we are just starting to get it. You would know all about the cultural Marxism which is surreptitiously taking over in our universities. I do respect the intellect of a lot of Russians, though not yours.
> >
> > I'm pleased that I may be interesting you. I know it's
> > your job to counter anything here that seems to put
> > Russia in a negative light with postive prpaganda.
> > As I have said I would like to see much closer relations
> > between Russia and the UK. We could learn much from your
> > political incorrectness.
>
> The belief that Russia is specifically associated with political
> incorrectness is just one more of your delusions, it occurred
> because the 'liberal progressive' Nazi MSM taught you (in order to
> dehumanize the Russians) that the Russians are such tough bigots,
> and you thought 'it's good, let us be like them in this respect'.
>
> It reveals the fact that the naive right-wingers are themselves
> heavily brainwashed by the shoddy leftist propaganda. They accept
> its false narratives and believe 'facts', but interpret morals in
> reverted and opposite way. Thus the left and the right complement
> each other to produce the virtual reality of delusion.
>
> >> I cited previously another English Nazi
> >> <http://archive.is/vPZSy>
> >
> > He can't really be a Nazi because he's a Jew.
> >
> >> who
> >> wrote a bold nonsense under disclaimer that he checked
> >> it 'carefully with his Russian friends', - it's just a
> >> notable fact that such references to 'friends' usually
> >> mean nothing but delusional / opinionated nonsense and
> >> fiction of some kind (even if it's not a deliberate
> >> misrepresentation).
>
> I think the fact he's a Jew (if really) doesn't matter much, as he
> sounds genuinely English, people of the sort seem to maintain the
> English national pride and narratives at least since the 19 century.
Is that Nazi?
> It reveals the fact that the naive right-wingers are themselves
> heavily brainwashed by the shoddy leftist propaganda. They accept
> its false narratives and believe 'facts', but interpret morals in
> reverted and opposite way. Thus the left and the right complement
> each other to produce the virtual reality of delusion.
>
> >> I cited previously another English Nazi
> >> <http://archive.is/vPZSy>
> >
> > He can't really be a Nazi because he's a Jew.
> >
> >> who
> >> wrote a bold nonsense under disclaimer that he checked
> >> it 'carefully with his Russian friends', - it's just a
> >> notable fact that such references to 'friends' usually
> >> mean nothing but delusional / opinionated nonsense and
> >> fiction of some kind (even if it's not a deliberate
> >> misrepresentation).
>
> I think the fact he's a Jew (if really) doesn't matter much, as he
> sounds genuinely English, people of the sort seem to maintain the
> English national pride and narratives at least since the 19 century.
>
> BBC's Robinson that issued the 'small island' fabrication is
> Jewish. He did it at request of Cameron that's somewhat Jewish too.
> And what changed that (rhetorical)?
>
> Their fabrication did hit the English psyche / sore pride exactly,
That is really boring. No one else cares abut that little bee in your bonnet.
> BBC's Robinson that issued the 'small island' fabrication is
> Jewish. He did it at request of Cameron that's somewhat Jewish too.
> And what changed that (rhetorical)?
>
> Their fabrication did hit the English psyche / sore pride exactly,
> Rock isn't a Russian thing at all.
Oleg Smirnov
Sep 21, 2017, 3:52:01 AM9/21/17
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saracene, <news:4290c4cc-8c7d-4726...@googlegroups.com>
No, it's just somewhat shameful / taboo for you to recognize the
fact that your top leaders and media pundits could use such a simple
and dirty trick to manipulate the public nationalist sentiment.
At the time I had read articles in the UK press where writers were
not at all bored to rant about this subject without questioning
reliability of the source.
> On Thursday, September 21, 2017 at 7:16:43 AM UTC+1, Oleg Smirnov wrote:
>
>
>>> I'm pleased that I may be interesting you. I know it's
>>> your job to counter anything here that seems to put
>>> Russia in a negative light with postive prpaganda.
>>> As I have said I would like to see much closer relations
>>> between Russia and the UK. We could learn much from your
>>> political incorrectness.
>>
>> The belief that Russia is specifically associated with
>> political incorrectness is just one more of your
>> delusions, it occurred because the 'liberal progressive'
>> Nazi MSM taught you (in order to dehumanize the
>> Russians) that the Russians are such tough bigots, and
>> you thought 'it's good, let us be like them in this
>> respect'.
>
> You are not mired down in feminism like we are surely? I wouldn't say you
> are bigots, just that you don't follow the shoddy American and west European
> model of meodernity, as you must agree. You've been through communism, we
> are just starting to get it. You would know all about the cultural Marxism
> which is surreptitiously taking over in our universities. I do respect the
> intellect of a lot of Russians, though not yours.
You (righties) do not quite understand what you are dealing with.
>
>
>>> I'm pleased that I may be interesting you. I know it's
>>> your job to counter anything here that seems to put
>>> Russia in a negative light with postive prpaganda.
>>> As I have said I would like to see much closer relations
>>> between Russia and the UK. We could learn much from your
>>> political incorrectness.
>>
>> The belief that Russia is specifically associated with
>> political incorrectness is just one more of your
>> delusions, it occurred because the 'liberal progressive'
>> Nazi MSM taught you (in order to dehumanize the
>> Russians) that the Russians are such tough bigots, and
>> you thought 'it's good, let us be like them in this
>> respect'.
>
> You are not mired down in feminism like we are surely? I wouldn't say you
> are bigots, just that you don't follow the shoddy American and west European
> model of meodernity, as you must agree. You've been through communism, we
> are just starting to get it. You would know all about the cultural Marxism
> which is surreptitiously taking over in our universities. I do respect the
> intellect of a lot of Russians, though not yours.
fact that your top leaders and media pundits could use such a simple
and dirty trick to manipulate the public nationalist sentiment.
At the time I had read articles in the UK press where writers were
not at all bored to rant about this subject without questioning
reliability of the source.
saracene
Sep 21, 2017, 4:32:18 AM9/21/17
to
On Thursday, September 21, 2017 at 8:52:01 AM UTC+1, Oleg Smirnov wrote:
> >
> > That is really boring. No one else cares abut that little bee in your
> > bonnet.
>
> No, it's just somewhat shameful / taboo for you to recognize the
> fact that your top leaders and media pundits could use such a simple
> and dirty trick to manipulate the public nationalist sentiment.
In foreign policy we are indeed now mainly the poodle of the US. Our power has gone and we have little to be proud of. If someone in Russia wants to point that out I can't see that anyone here would be bothered in the tiniest little bit.
> >
> > That is really boring. No one else cares abut that little bee in your
> > bonnet.
>
> No, it's just somewhat shameful / taboo for you to recognize the
> fact that your top leaders and media pundits could use such a simple
> and dirty trick to manipulate the public nationalist sentiment.
>
> At the time I had read articles in the UK press where writers were
> not at all bored to rant about this subject without questioning
> reliability of the source.
Please give us a link to some of that. At the time it made no impression on me whatever.
> At the time I had read articles in the UK press where writers were
> not at all bored to rant about this subject without questioning
> reliability of the source.
Oleg Smirnov
Sep 21, 2017, 6:00:36 AM9/21/17
to
saracene, <news:7e682545-6e68-4000...@googlegroups.com>
British power now and so on is absolutely irrelevant with regard to what I've
pointed out. I pointed out that quite a reputable UK media pundit, most likely
upon request and agreement with N10, had spread a fake news, intended to make
the Kremlin look arrogant and disrespectful towards Britain, also enhance the
anti-Russia sentiment among the British audience and create an artificial
pretext for the Cameron's proud 'rebuff' at the G20 summit in 2013. It's not
about whether the UK is or is not a poodle etc. It's about your establishment
manipulating the British domestic sentiment in an indecent way.
>> At the time I had read articles in the UK press where
>> writers were not at all bored to rant about this subject
>> without questioning reliability of the source.
>
> Please give us a link to some of that. At the time it
> made no impression on me whatever.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/russia/10290243/Russia-mocks-Britain-the-little-island.html
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2013/sep/06/david-cameron-uk-small-island
https://www.channel4.com/news/factcheck/factcheck-britain-paying-attention
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/blog/2013/sep/06/small-island-david-cameron
http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-23984730
http://nationalpost.com/news/britain-just-a-small-island-putin-spokesman-reportedly-says-u-k-mp-tweets-russian-president-is-a-tosser
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2412831/Just-small-island-pays-attention-Russias-astonishing-attack-Britain.html
http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/427371/David-Cameron-leaps-to-Britain-s-defence-after-Putin-aide-s-small-island-comments
http://nation.foxnews.com/2013/09/05/just-small-islandno-one-pays-any-attention-them-putin-spokesman-mocks-britain-light
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/g20-summit-russia-dismisses-britain-2254433
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=671169
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/g20-summit-david-cameron-responds-to-russias-alleged-small-island-jibe-against-britain-8801673.html
http://news.sky.com/story/small-island-britain-cameron-rejects-slight-10435198
http://www.politics.ie/forum/united-kingdom/215441-just-small-island-absolutely-no-one-pays-any-attention.html
https://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/small-island-we-abolished-slavery-beat-the-nazis-and-invented-everything-worthwhile-says-david-8801739.html
http://gpluseurope.com/notes-from-a-small-island-summit/
http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/david-cameron-russia-jibe-defends-putin-g20-504334
http://letstourengland.com/2016/08/21/according-to-russia-great-britain-is-just-a-small-island-that-nobody-pays-any-attention-to-dmitry-peskov-mr-putins-official-spokesman/
http://www.hmfckickback.co.uk/index.php?/topic/132538-putin-britain-is-a-small-island-no-one-pays-attention-to/
http://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/latest-news/337125/David-Cameron-hits-back-at-Vladimir-Putin
https://www.cnbc.com/id/101014593?view=story&$DEVICE$=native-android-tablet
https://twitter.com/danieljhannan/status/375706322357866497?lang=en
http://www.thecommentator.com/article/4115/dying_russia_is_a_fine_country_to_talk_about_irrelevance
https://southfront.org/breaking-news-kremlin-is-behind-second-referendum-on-scottish-independence/
https://www.quora.com/As-a-British-person-how-do-you-feel-about-Russia-calling-the-UK-just-a-small-island-that-no-one-pays-attention-to
http://drownedinsound.com/community/boards/social/4435993
https://uk.answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20130905133131AAxXvPn
http://www.scotsman.com/news/celebrity/scottish-independence-duncan-bannatyne-backs-union-1-3081713
https://www.conservativehome.com/platform/2014/04/andrew-foxall-the-uk-should-take-the-lead-when-it-comes-to-sanctioning-russia.html
https://www.forbes.com/sites/timtreadgold/2013/09/11/ignore-the-russians-go-long-the-u-k-as-its-economy-rebounds/
https://www.sundaypost.com/in10/chat/memorable-fictional-prime-ministers/
http://sqmagazine.co.uk/2013/09/crawley-mp-henry-smith-brands-putin-a-tosser/
https://www.vice.com/en_ca/article/5gkzzq/putin-flaunting-his-watch-collection-is-just-another-display-of-power
http://www.londonlovesbusiness.com/business-news/politics/which-country-is-the-most-powerful-in-the-world-uk-smugly-points-at-self-/10687.article
https://defendthemodernworld.wordpress.com/2013/09/10/dont-be-silly-vladimir/
http://fromoverhere.net/2013/09/with-responsibility-to-protect-size-does-not-matter/
https://www.theodysseyonline.com/why-does-the-united-kingdom-of-great-britain-have-most-soft-power
http://www.consented.co.uk/read/why-do-david-cameron-and-eu-sceptics-think-britain-is-so-exceptional/
...
The hoax also has now been immortalized in books.
http://tinyurl.com/yd763rda
http://tinyurl.com/ycbr6o7o
> On Thursday, September 21, 2017 at 8:52:01 AM UTC+1, Oleg Smirnov wrote:
>>> That is really boring. No one else cares abut that
>>> little bee in your bonnet.
>>
>> No, it's just somewhat shameful / taboo for you to
>> recognize the fact that your top leaders and media
>> pundits could use such a simple and dirty trick to
>> manipulate the public nationalist sentiment.
>
> In foreign policy we are indeed now mainly the poodle of
> the US. Our power has gone and we have little to be proud
> of. If someone in Russia wants to point that out I can't
> see that anyone here would be bothered in the tiniest
> little bit.
You see, you also are responding off the point. What is the UK now, what is
>>> That is really boring. No one else cares abut that
>>> little bee in your bonnet.
>>
>> No, it's just somewhat shameful / taboo for you to
>> recognize the fact that your top leaders and media
>> pundits could use such a simple and dirty trick to
>> manipulate the public nationalist sentiment.
>
> In foreign policy we are indeed now mainly the poodle of
> the US. Our power has gone and we have little to be proud
> of. If someone in Russia wants to point that out I can't
> see that anyone here would be bothered in the tiniest
> little bit.
British power now and so on is absolutely irrelevant with regard to what I've
pointed out. I pointed out that quite a reputable UK media pundit, most likely
upon request and agreement with N10, had spread a fake news, intended to make
the Kremlin look arrogant and disrespectful towards Britain, also enhance the
anti-Russia sentiment among the British audience and create an artificial
pretext for the Cameron's proud 'rebuff' at the G20 summit in 2013. It's not
about whether the UK is or is not a poodle etc. It's about your establishment
manipulating the British domestic sentiment in an indecent way.
>> At the time I had read articles in the UK press where
>> writers were not at all bored to rant about this subject
>> without questioning reliability of the source.
>
> Please give us a link to some of that. At the time it
> made no impression on me whatever.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2013/sep/06/david-cameron-uk-small-island
https://www.channel4.com/news/factcheck/factcheck-britain-paying-attention
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/blog/2013/sep/06/small-island-david-cameron
http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-23984730
http://nationalpost.com/news/britain-just-a-small-island-putin-spokesman-reportedly-says-u-k-mp-tweets-russian-president-is-a-tosser
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2412831/Just-small-island-pays-attention-Russias-astonishing-attack-Britain.html
http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/427371/David-Cameron-leaps-to-Britain-s-defence-after-Putin-aide-s-small-island-comments
http://nation.foxnews.com/2013/09/05/just-small-islandno-one-pays-any-attention-them-putin-spokesman-mocks-britain-light
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/g20-summit-russia-dismisses-britain-2254433
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=671169
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/g20-summit-david-cameron-responds-to-russias-alleged-small-island-jibe-against-britain-8801673.html
http://news.sky.com/story/small-island-britain-cameron-rejects-slight-10435198
http://www.politics.ie/forum/united-kingdom/215441-just-small-island-absolutely-no-one-pays-any-attention.html
https://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/small-island-we-abolished-slavery-beat-the-nazis-and-invented-everything-worthwhile-says-david-8801739.html
http://gpluseurope.com/notes-from-a-small-island-summit/
http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/david-cameron-russia-jibe-defends-putin-g20-504334
http://letstourengland.com/2016/08/21/according-to-russia-great-britain-is-just-a-small-island-that-nobody-pays-any-attention-to-dmitry-peskov-mr-putins-official-spokesman/
http://www.hmfckickback.co.uk/index.php?/topic/132538-putin-britain-is-a-small-island-no-one-pays-attention-to/
http://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/latest-news/337125/David-Cameron-hits-back-at-Vladimir-Putin
https://www.cnbc.com/id/101014593?view=story&$DEVICE$=native-android-tablet
https://twitter.com/danieljhannan/status/375706322357866497?lang=en
http://www.thecommentator.com/article/4115/dying_russia_is_a_fine_country_to_talk_about_irrelevance
https://southfront.org/breaking-news-kremlin-is-behind-second-referendum-on-scottish-independence/
https://www.quora.com/As-a-British-person-how-do-you-feel-about-Russia-calling-the-UK-just-a-small-island-that-no-one-pays-attention-to
http://drownedinsound.com/community/boards/social/4435993
https://uk.answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20130905133131AAxXvPn
http://www.scotsman.com/news/celebrity/scottish-independence-duncan-bannatyne-backs-union-1-3081713
https://www.conservativehome.com/platform/2014/04/andrew-foxall-the-uk-should-take-the-lead-when-it-comes-to-sanctioning-russia.html
https://www.forbes.com/sites/timtreadgold/2013/09/11/ignore-the-russians-go-long-the-u-k-as-its-economy-rebounds/
https://www.sundaypost.com/in10/chat/memorable-fictional-prime-ministers/
http://sqmagazine.co.uk/2013/09/crawley-mp-henry-smith-brands-putin-a-tosser/
https://www.vice.com/en_ca/article/5gkzzq/putin-flaunting-his-watch-collection-is-just-another-display-of-power
http://www.londonlovesbusiness.com/business-news/politics/which-country-is-the-most-powerful-in-the-world-uk-smugly-points-at-self-/10687.article
https://defendthemodernworld.wordpress.com/2013/09/10/dont-be-silly-vladimir/
http://fromoverhere.net/2013/09/with-responsibility-to-protect-size-does-not-matter/
https://www.theodysseyonline.com/why-does-the-united-kingdom-of-great-britain-have-most-soft-power
http://www.consented.co.uk/read/why-do-david-cameron-and-eu-sceptics-think-britain-is-so-exceptional/
...
The hoax also has now been immortalized in books.
http://tinyurl.com/yd763rda
http://tinyurl.com/ycbr6o7o
abelard
Sep 21, 2017, 6:28:11 AM9/21/17
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On Thu, 21 Sep 2017 13:01:16 +0300, "Oleg Smirnov" <os...@netc.eu>
wrote:
>You see, you also are responding off the point. What is the UK now, what is
>British power now and so on is absolutely irrelevant with regard to what I've
>pointed out. I pointed out that quite a reputable UK media pundit, most likely
>upon request and agreement with N10, had spread a fake news, intended to make
>the Kremlin look arrogant and disrespectful towards Britain, also enhance the
>anti-Russia sentiment among the British audience and create an artificial
>pretext for the Cameron's proud 'rebuff' at the G20 summit in 2013. It's not
>about whether the UK is or is not a poodle etc. It's about your establishment
>manipulating the British domestic sentiment in an indecent way.
you have the same foolish arrogance as stalin...'how many
divisions has the pope?'
russia remains a poor and backward child...and like all such children,
rooshia is desperate to pretend it is an adult
i like rooshians...but rooshia has produced very little beyond
weapons in the last century while seeking to undermine
the western values that built the modern world
--
www.abelard.org
wrote:
>You see, you also are responding off the point. What is the UK now, what is
>British power now and so on is absolutely irrelevant with regard to what I've
>pointed out. I pointed out that quite a reputable UK media pundit, most likely
>upon request and agreement with N10, had spread a fake news, intended to make
>the Kremlin look arrogant and disrespectful towards Britain, also enhance the
>anti-Russia sentiment among the British audience and create an artificial
>pretext for the Cameron's proud 'rebuff' at the G20 summit in 2013. It's not
>about whether the UK is or is not a poodle etc. It's about your establishment
>manipulating the British domestic sentiment in an indecent way.
divisions has the pope?'
russia remains a poor and backward child...and like all such children,
rooshia is desperate to pretend it is an adult
i like rooshians...but rooshia has produced very little beyond
weapons in the last century while seeking to undermine
the western values that built the modern world
--
www.abelard.org
saracene
Sep 21, 2017, 6:31:07 AM9/21/17
to
On Thursday, September 21, 2017 at 11:00:36 AM UTC+1, Oleg Smirnov wrote:
> saracene, <news:7e682545-6e68-4000...@googlegroups.com>
> > On Thursday, September 21, 2017 at 8:52:01 AM UTC+1, Oleg Smirnov wrote:
>
> >>> That is really boring. No one else cares abut that
> >>> little bee in your bonnet.
> >>
> >> No, it's just somewhat shameful / taboo for you to
> >> recognize the fact that your top leaders and media
> >> pundits could use such a simple and dirty trick to
> >> manipulate the public nationalist sentiment.
> >
> > In foreign policy we are indeed now mainly the poodle of
> > the US. Our power has gone and we have little to be proud
> > of. If someone in Russia wants to point that out I can't
> > see that anyone here would be bothered in the tiniest
> > little bit.
>
> You see, you also are responding off the point. What is the UK now, what is
> British power now and so on is absolutely irrelevant with regard to what I've
> pointed out. I pointed out that quite a reputable UK media pundit, most likely
> upon request and agreement with N10, had spread a fake news, intended to make
> the Kremlin look arrogant and disrespectful towards Britain, also enhance the
> anti-Russia sentiment among the British audience
It would and did not have that effect. It looks like Cameron wanted to copy Blair in being some sort of war leader. A part of the American establishment is very anti Russian and stuck in a cold war mindset. Whatever Cameron and Osborne felt about this so called Russian remark which may or may not have been invented, it cuts very little ice with the British public. Whether or not the Russians think of us like that really does not matter in the least and should make no differnece to our reltiaons..
> saracene, <news:7e682545-6e68-4000...@googlegroups.com>
> > On Thursday, September 21, 2017 at 8:52:01 AM UTC+1, Oleg Smirnov wrote:
>
> >>> That is really boring. No one else cares abut that
> >>> little bee in your bonnet.
> >>
> >> No, it's just somewhat shameful / taboo for you to
> >> recognize the fact that your top leaders and media
> >> pundits could use such a simple and dirty trick to
> >> manipulate the public nationalist sentiment.
> >
> > In foreign policy we are indeed now mainly the poodle of
> > the US. Our power has gone and we have little to be proud
> > of. If someone in Russia wants to point that out I can't
> > see that anyone here would be bothered in the tiniest
> > little bit.
>
> You see, you also are responding off the point. What is the UK now, what is
> British power now and so on is absolutely irrelevant with regard to what I've
> pointed out. I pointed out that quite a reputable UK media pundit, most likely
> upon request and agreement with N10, had spread a fake news, intended to make
> the Kremlin look arrogant and disrespectful towards Britain, also enhance the
> anti-Russia sentiment among the British audience
Oleg Smirnov
Sep 21, 2017, 6:57:28 AM9/21/17
to
saracene, <news:6514b2c6-b700-4b36...@googlegroups.com>
It was certainly invented, the only primarily source was BBC's Robinson.
He claimed it was said in front of a group of journalistS, but no any other
outlet reported it (I looked for it), all secondary articles referred
ultimately to the BBC. If it was really said to a group of journalists then
there would certainly be a few primary news besides the BBC.
> it cuts very
> little ice with the British public. Whether or not the
> Russians think of us like that really does not matter in
> the least and should make no differnece to our reltiaons..
In this case it's irrelevant what the Russians think of you etc. Your claim
that it's unimportant doesn't hold water against the links below. And it was
a pretext for the G20 speech of then leader of your country.
In other words, their trick was essentially similar to the Gleiwitz incident
- in a multiply reduced and softened scale, of course - but the qualitative
nature of the matter is the very same.
He claimed it was said in front of a group of journalistS, but no any other
outlet reported it (I looked for it), all secondary articles referred
ultimately to the BBC. If it was really said to a group of journalists then
there would certainly be a few primary news besides the BBC.
> it cuts very
> little ice with the British public. Whether or not the
> Russians think of us like that really does not matter in
> the least and should make no differnece to our reltiaons..
that it's unimportant doesn't hold water against the links below. And it was
a pretext for the G20 speech of then leader of your country.
In other words, their trick was essentially similar to the Gleiwitz incident
- in a multiply reduced and softened scale, of course - but the qualitative
nature of the matter is the very same.
Farmer Giles
Sep 21, 2017, 10:05:46 AM9/21/17
to
This is was around 17 years ago - she is 38 now. My youngest daughter
did Russian and French at Durham.
saracene
Sep 21, 2017, 10:38:16 AM9/21/17
to
On Thursday, September 21, 2017 at 3:05:46 PM UTC+1, Farmer Giles wrote:
> On 20-Sep-17 8:53 AM, saracene wrote:
> > On Wednesday, September 20, 2017 at 6:42:25 AM UTC+1, Farmer Giles wrote:
> >> On 19-Sep-17 10:45 PM, saracene wrote:
> >>> On Tuesday, September 19, 2017 at 9:04:58 PM UTC+1, Oleg Smirnov wrote:
> >>>> saracene, <news:45340815-84e8-4ae7...@googlegroups.com>
> >>>>> On Tuesday, September 19, 2017 at 6:07:39 PM UTC+1, Tim
> >>>>
> >>>>>> Given systematic abuses of the disabled the UK can no
> >>>>>> longer be called a civilised country.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I'm disabled and people are very nice to me. They give up
> >>>>> their seats for me on the bus. In Russia they'd probably
> >>>>> kick me over.
> >>>>
> >>>> Why are you so fixated on Russia?
> >>>
> >>> My younger son lived there for a year. He's also got a Russian girlfriend.
> >>>>
> >>
> >> Both my daughters lived there for a year too - in St Petersburg. They
> >> were studying Russian at university
> >
> > OUt of curiosity which one? My son was at Exeter. Not many British universities teach Russian now.
> >
>
> My eldest daughter was at Exeter as well, she did Russian and German.
Interesting, MY son was 39 this year.
> On 20-Sep-17 8:53 AM, saracene wrote:
> > On Wednesday, September 20, 2017 at 6:42:25 AM UTC+1, Farmer Giles wrote:
> >> On 19-Sep-17 10:45 PM, saracene wrote:
> >>> On Tuesday, September 19, 2017 at 9:04:58 PM UTC+1, Oleg Smirnov wrote:
> >>>> saracene, <news:45340815-84e8-4ae7...@googlegroups.com>
> >>>>> On Tuesday, September 19, 2017 at 6:07:39 PM UTC+1, Tim
> >>>>
> >>>>>> Given systematic abuses of the disabled the UK can no
> >>>>>> longer be called a civilised country.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I'm disabled and people are very nice to me. They give up
> >>>>> their seats for me on the bus. In Russia they'd probably
> >>>>> kick me over.
> >>>>
> >>>> Why are you so fixated on Russia?
> >>>
> >>> My younger son lived there for a year. He's also got a Russian girlfriend.
> >>>>
> >>
> >> Both my daughters lived there for a year too - in St Petersburg. They
> >> were studying Russian at university
> >
> > OUt of curiosity which one? My son was at Exeter. Not many British universities teach Russian now.
> >
>
> My eldest daughter was at Exeter as well, she did Russian and German.
saracene
Sep 21, 2017, 2:42:03 PM9/21/17
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abelard
Sep 21, 2017, 2:59:53 PM9/21/17
to
On Thu, 21 Sep 2017 11:42:01 -0700 (PDT), saracene
<john...@gmail.com> wrote:
>On Thursday, September 21, 2017 at 11:28:11 AM UTC+1, abelard wrote:
>> On Thu, 21 Sep 2017 13:01:16 +0300, "Oleg Smirnov" <os...@netc.eu>
>> wrote:
>>
>> >You see, you also are responding off the point. What is the UK now, what is
>> >British power now and so on is absolutely irrelevant with regard to what I've
>> >pointed out. I pointed out that quite a reputable UK media pundit, most likely
>> >upon request and agreement with N10, had spread a fake news, intended to make
>> >the Kremlin look arrogant and disrespectful towards Britain, also enhance the
>> >anti-Russia sentiment among the British audience and create an artificial
>> >pretext for the Cameron's proud 'rebuff' at the G20 summit in 2013. It's not
>> >about whether the UK is or is not a poodle etc. It's about your establishment
>> >manipulating the British domestic sentiment in an indecent way.
>>
>> you have the same foolish arrogance as stalin...'how many
>> divisions has the pope?'
>>
>> russia remains a poor and backward child...and like all such children,
>> rooshia is desperate to pretend it is an adult
>>
>> i like rooshians...but rooshia has produced very little beyond
>> weapons in the last century while seeking to undermine
>> the western values that built the modern world
<john...@gmail.com> wrote:
>On Thursday, September 21, 2017 at 11:28:11 AM UTC+1, abelard wrote:
>> On Thu, 21 Sep 2017 13:01:16 +0300, "Oleg Smirnov" <os...@netc.eu>
>> wrote:
>>
>> >You see, you also are responding off the point. What is the UK now, what is
>> >British power now and so on is absolutely irrelevant with regard to what I've
>> >pointed out. I pointed out that quite a reputable UK media pundit, most likely
>> >upon request and agreement with N10, had spread a fake news, intended to make
>> >the Kremlin look arrogant and disrespectful towards Britain, also enhance the
>> >anti-Russia sentiment among the British audience and create an artificial
>> >pretext for the Cameron's proud 'rebuff' at the G20 summit in 2013. It's not
>> >about whether the UK is or is not a poodle etc. It's about your establishment
>> >manipulating the British domestic sentiment in an indecent way.
>>
>> you have the same foolish arrogance as stalin...'how many
>> divisions has the pope?'
>>
>> russia remains a poor and backward child...and like all such children,
>> rooshia is desperate to pretend it is an adult
>>
>> i like rooshians...but rooshia has produced very little beyond
>> weapons in the last century while seeking to undermine
>> the western values that built the modern world
>The US is by far the most powerful counytry in the world. That does not mean it is necessarily the most enlgihtened, that progress is defined by its concernes, or that it is not humuliating for Britian to pretend otherwise. by having to pretend otherwise.
i see no connection between my post and your 'response'
beyond that, parsing your words after 'enlightened', is impossible for
me
--
www.abelard.org
Farmer Giles
Sep 22, 2017, 2:47:52 AM9/22/17
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On 21-Sep-17 3:38 PM, saracene wrote:
> On Thursday, September 21, 2017 at 3:05:46 PM UTC+1, Farmer Giles wrote:
>> On 20-Sep-17 8:53 AM, saracene wrote:
>>> On Wednesday, September 20, 2017 at 6:42:25 AM UTC+1, Farmer Giles wrote:
>>>> On 19-Sep-17 10:45 PM, saracene wrote:
>>>>> On Tuesday, September 19, 2017 at 9:04:58 PM UTC+1, Oleg Smirnov wrote:
>>>>>> saracene, <news:45340815-84e8-4ae7...@googlegroups.com>
>>>>>>> On Tuesday, September 19, 2017 at 6:07:39 PM UTC+1, Tim
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Given systematic abuses of the disabled the UK can no
>>>>>>>> longer be called a civilised country.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I'm disabled and people are very nice to me. They give up
>>>>>>> their seats for me on the bus. In Russia they'd probably
>>>>>>> kick me over.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Why are you so fixated on Russia?
>>>>>
>>>>> My younger son lived there for a year. He's also got a Russian girlfriend.
>>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Both my daughters lived there for a year too - in St Petersburg. They
>>>> were studying Russian at university
>>>
>>> OUt of curiosity which one? My son was at Exeter. Not many British universities teach Russian now.
>>>
>>
>> My eldest daughter was at Exeter as well, she did Russian and German.
>
> Interesting, MY son was 39 this year.
>
Sounds like he might have been in the year before her - she was in St
> On Thursday, September 21, 2017 at 3:05:46 PM UTC+1, Farmer Giles wrote:
>> On 20-Sep-17 8:53 AM, saracene wrote:
>>> On Wednesday, September 20, 2017 at 6:42:25 AM UTC+1, Farmer Giles wrote:
>>>> On 19-Sep-17 10:45 PM, saracene wrote:
>>>>> On Tuesday, September 19, 2017 at 9:04:58 PM UTC+1, Oleg Smirnov wrote:
>>>>>> saracene, <news:45340815-84e8-4ae7...@googlegroups.com>
>>>>>>> On Tuesday, September 19, 2017 at 6:07:39 PM UTC+1, Tim
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Given systematic abuses of the disabled the UK can no
>>>>>>>> longer be called a civilised country.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I'm disabled and people are very nice to me. They give up
>>>>>>> their seats for me on the bus. In Russia they'd probably
>>>>>>> kick me over.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Why are you so fixated on Russia?
>>>>>
>>>>> My younger son lived there for a year. He's also got a Russian girlfriend.
>>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Both my daughters lived there for a year too - in St Petersburg. They
>>>> were studying Russian at university
>>>
>>> OUt of curiosity which one? My son was at Exeter. Not many British universities teach Russian now.
>>>
>>
>> My eldest daughter was at Exeter as well, she did Russian and German.
>
> Interesting, MY son was 39 this year.
>
Petersburg 1999/2000.
I'll ask her if she knew anyone called Moore next time I speak to her.
saracene
Sep 22, 2017, 2:59:38 AM9/22/17
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Farmer Giles
Sep 22, 2017, 6:08:04 AM9/22/17
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out after A-levels. The Russian department at Exeter was quite small,
apparently (about 40 students), and that she does remember an Alistair
but she didn't have much, if any, contact with him. Sue Lawley's
daughter was in the same year as her, and in her German group.
saracene
Sep 22, 2017, 6:27:16 AM9/22/17
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Farmer Giles
Sep 22, 2017, 7:45:45 AM9/22/17
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