Re: Federal judge rules police cannot detain people for openly carrying guns
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>> Federal judge rules police cannot detain people for openly carrying guns
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>> On September 8, 2009, United States District Judge Bruce D. Black of the
>> United States District Court for New Mexico entered summary judgment in
>> a civil case for damages against Alamogordo, NM police officers. The
>> Judge's straight shootin' message to police: Leave open carriers alone
>> unless you have "reason to believe that a crime [is] afoot."
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>> The facts of the case are pretty simple. Matthew St. John entered an
>> Alamogordo movie theater as a paying customer and sat down to enjoy the
>> movie. He was openly carrying a holstered handgun, conduct which is
>> legal in 42 states, and requires no license in New Mexico and
>> twenty-five other states. Learn more here.
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>> In response to a call from theater manager Robert Zigmond, the police
>> entered the movie theater, physically seized Mr. St. John from his seat,
>> took him outside, disarmed him, searched him, obtained personally
>> identifiable information from his wallet, and only allowed him to
>> re-enter the theater after St. John agreed to secure his gun in his
>> vehicle. Mr. St. John was never suspected of any crime nor issued a
>> summons for violating any law.
>>
>> Importantly, no theater employee ever ordered Mr. St. John to leave.
>> The police apparently simply decided to act as agents of the movie
>> theater to enforce a private rule of conduct and not to enforce any rule
>> of law.
>>
>> On these facts, Judge Black concluded as a matter of law that the police
>> violated Matthew St. John's constitutional rights under the Fourth
>> Amendment because they seized and disarmed him even though there was not
>> "any reason to believe that a crime was afoot." Judge Black's opinion
>> is consistent with numerous high state and federal appellate courts,
>> e.g., the United States Supreme Court in Florida v. J.L. (2000)
>> (detaining man on mere report that he has a gun violates the Fourth
>> Amendment) and the Washington Appeals Court in State v. Casad (2004)
>> (detaining man observed by police as openly carrying rifles on a public
>> street violates the Fourth Amendment).
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>> Mr. St. John's attorney, Miguel Garcia, of Alamogordo, NM was pleased
>> with the ruling and look forward to the next phase of the litigation
>> which is a jury trial to establish the amount of damages, and possibly
>> punitive damages. Garcia said that
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>> "[i]t was great to see the Court carefully consider the issues presented
>> by both sides and conclude that the U.S. Constitution prohibits the
>> government from detaining and searching individuals solely for
>> exercising their rights to possess a firearm as guaranteed by our state
>> and federal constitutions."
>>
>> Notably, Judge Black denied the police officers' requested "qualified
>> immunity," a judicially created doctrine allowing government officials
>> acting in good faith to avoid liability for violating the law where the
>> law was not "clearly established." In this case, Judge Black concluded
>> that
>>
>> "[r]elying on well-defined Supreme Court precedent, the Tenth Circuit
>> and its sister courts have consistently held that officers may not seize
>> or search an individual without a specific, legitimate reason. . . . The
>> applicable law was equally clear in this case. Nothing in New Mexico law
>> prohibited Mr. St. John from openly carrying a firearm in the Theater.
>> Accordingly, Mr. St. John's motion for summary judgment is granted with
>> regard to his Fourth Amendment and New Mexico constitutional claims.
>> Defendants' motion for summary judgment is denied with regard to the
>> same and with regard to qualified immunity."
>>
>> Judge Black's opinion and order is welcome news for the growing number
>> of open carriers across the United States. Though police harassment of
>> open carriers is rare, it's not yet as rare as it should be - over the
>> last several years open carriers detained without cause by police have
>> sued and obtained cash settlements in Pennsylvania, Louisiana, Virginia
>> (see additional settlement here), and Georgia. More cases are still
>> pending in Ohio, Wisconsin, Michigan, and Pennsylvania.
>>
>> Judge Black's opinion and order can be read here.
>>
>> NOTE: Mathew St. John's attorney, Miguel Garcia, is an associate at
>> John R. Hakanson PC, 307 11th St., Alamogordo, NM 88310 and can be
>> reached at Miguelo.Garcia AT gmail.com
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> Outstanding. I hope he sues the theater, too.
So now every criminal and felon can openly carry their guns without fear of
police intervertion.
Excellent!
Gray Ghost
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Were you born stupid, dropped on your head or overdosed on hallucinogens?
Oh sorry, all 3? Then kill yourself.
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richard
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>> Outstanding. I hope he sues the theater, too.
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> So now every criminal and felon can openly carry their guns without fear of
> police intervertion.
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> Excellent!
You just don't get it do you?
1) no charges filed. Ergo, no crime. See Terry Vs Ohio.
2) illegal detention, illegal search and seizure.
3) Nobody noticed the weapon as he entered and nothing was said to him
before the cops showed? Wrong.
Now if only the cops on the tv show could get educated about illegal
searches.
Gray Ghost
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Yeah. Last night I heard it was illegal to sell a gun to a pawn shop! On a
show I usually like. Not so much now.
Frank
RD (The Sandman)
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Obviously you continue to show your little knowledge of gun laws. For a
felon to be caught in possession of a firearm it is a ten year romp at
Stony Lonesome bunking with Bubba.
Excellent!
Yep.
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Bama Brian
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Hiccum Blurpaedius
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THat is the way the founding fathers intended it to be. No more police
extoriton plots
jf...@ix.netcom.com
No, there would be a "crime [] afoot" since it is a federal
felony for a felon to possess a firearm. It seems that you haven't
the depth of thought to realize what the facts really are before you
make remarks that are not cogent.
Hiccum Blurpaedius
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A court room that convicts anyone while copulating church and state is
null and void since it is illegal. Kangaroo courts are not justice.
Felons that are falsely accused and convicted have the constitution on
thier side and should bear arms against the terrorist executive
branch.
More police deserve to be shot.
Daniel
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WTF?
Gray Ghost
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It's the drugs, just ignore him.
nraclaptrap
>> So now every criminal and felon can openly carry their guns without
>> fear of police intervertion.
>
> WTF?
Well if everybody's carrying guns how do you tell the criminals from the
law-abiding citizens? You wait until they murder somebody, right Spaniel?
Of course the ones who kill an unarmed man or woman simply because they
"felt threatened", they're with the NRA. They have a right to murder you
if they just "feel threatened".
Does the same rule apply to "socialists", Spaniel?
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"� Reality Check� �" wrote:
A man jumped out of a truck with a 12-guage just week
in Phoenix, an act related to road rage. The light turned
(thank God!) and everyone took off leaving the man standing in the intersection
with his 12-guage raised.
The next thing everyone knew he started firing
randomly around and into the air. Someone finally
called police who descended on the maniac with
pistols drawn. The asshole just stood there and laughed,
put his 12-guage down, and we arent sure what the
outcome was ... people got the hell out of there and
didnt stay to see what happened!
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"RD (The Sandman)" <rdsandman(spamlock)@comcast.net> wrote in message
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And if the police can't detain and question the gun carrying nut to
determine
if he's a felon, then those felons have nothing to fear.
Excellent!
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"Bama Brian" <claypo...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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So the police CAN detain those who openly carry guns, to determine if
they are felons, eh?
Gray Ghost
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I'm sure he eas just an average guy, no drug or alcohol problem, decent job,
loving family, nice house. And then suddenly a couple of nuerons just
misfired. Tragic.
Daniel
> Daniel <sabot12...@hotmail.com> wrote innews:bf4aad64-3272-4762...@l31g2000vbp.googlegroups.com:
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> >> So now every criminal and felon can openly carry their guns without
> >> fear of police intervertion.
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> > WTF?
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> Well if everybody's carrying guns how do you tell the criminals from the
> law-abiding citizens? You wait until they murder somebody, right Spaniel?
No, felons are not allowed by law to own weapons. Why do you have a
problem with a law-abiding citizen exercizing their Second Amendment
right?
>
> Of course the ones who kill an unarmed man or woman simply because they
> "felt threatened", they're with the NRA. They have a right to murder you
> if they just "feel threatened".
Could you please try to make an argument that makes sense?
Gray Ghost
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Your expectations are far to high.
RD (The Sandman)
@mid.individual.net:
What on earth makes you think that they cannot stop and question a known
felon? Think "probable cause".......if you can.
nraclaptrap
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> On Sep 22, 12:31�pm, nraclaptrap <nraclapt...@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>> Daniel <sabot12...@hotmail.com> wrote
>> innews:bf4aad64-3272-4762-94a9-a9ef
> f132...@l31g2000vbp.googlegroups.com:
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>> >> So now every criminal and felon can openly carry their guns
>> >> without fear of police intervertion.
>>
>> > WTF?
>>
>> Well if everybody's carrying guns how do you tell the criminals from
>> the law-abiding citizens? �You wait until they murder somebody, right
>> Spaniel?
>
> No, felons are not allowed by law to own weapons. Why do you have a
> problem with a law-abiding citizen exercizing their Second Amendment
> right?
Why is it okay with you for rapists to carry guns?
>> Of course the ones who kill an unarmed man or woman simply because
>> they "felt threatened", they're with the NRA. �They have a right to
>> murder you if they just "feel threatened".
>
> Could you please try to make an argument that makes sense?
You're so ignorant you've never heard of "make my day" laws?
Next please.
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"� Reality Check� �" <rea...@check.it> wrote in message
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> So now every criminal and felon can openly carry their guns without fear
> of police intervertion.
>
> Excellent!
So the alternative is to treat the 98% of citizens who are NOT criminals and
felons as if they were?
� Reality Check� �
How would they know his record if they don't stop and question him first?
Are you pig-ignorant enough to assert that cops have the names and photos of
MILLIONS of convicted felons memorized?
God damn you are one stump-stupid gun-nutter.
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"DockScience" <DockS...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Depends on how serious you are about keeping firearms out of the hands of
felons.
Gray Ghost
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> Daniel <sabot...@hotmail.com> wrote in
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>> On Sep 22, 12:31�pm, nraclaptrap <nraclapt...@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>>> Daniel <sabot12...@hotmail.com> wrote
>>> innews:bf4aad64-3272-4762-94a9-a9ef
>> f132...@l31g2000vbp.googlegroups.com:
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>>> >> So now every criminal and felon can openly carry their guns
>>> >> without fear of police intervertion.
>>>
>>> > WTF?
>>>
>>> Well if everybody's carrying guns how do you tell the criminals from
>>> the law-abiding citizens? �You wait until they murder somebody, right
>>> Spaniel?
>>
>> No, felons are not allowed by law to own weapons. Why do you have a
>> problem with a law-abiding citizen exercizing their Second Amendment
>> right?
>
> Why is it okay with you for rapists to carry guns?
Your transparent dishonesty is refreshing.
>
>>> Of course the ones who kill an unarmed man or woman simply because
>>> they "felt threatened", they're with the NRA. �They have a right to
>>> murder you if they just "feel threatened".
>>
>> Could you please try to make an argument that makes sense?
>
> You're so ignorant you've never heard of "make my day" laws?
>
Yes, yes I have. Hopefully the bad guys have, too.
Bama Brian
So random stops and searches should be the order of the day?
>
> Are you pig-ignorant enough to assert that cops have the names and photos of
> MILLIONS of convicted felons memorized?
>
> God damn you are one stump-stupid gun-nutter.
God damn you are one stump-stupid freedom-hater.
The sound of "Your papers, please. And be quick about it!" will be
heard throughout the land.
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Felon: One who was convicted of a felony. This implies that the felon
has served his time, and so paid his debt to society. Yet society wants
to create a system of eternal punishment for the felon by denying him
all of his civil rights forever.
No guns. No votes. No jobs. No public office. No military career.
Just to name a few.
There are those who are criminally violent, and who cannot be trusted
with a rake handle, let alone a firearm. Such people as these should
never be let out of jail.
But an eighteen year-old who was caught with X (insert your state's
limit here) grams of marijuana that he was planning to party with?
Should we deny him all the rights of the citizen, when his sentence has
been served?
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You don't don't really know the police and how they operate, do you?
> Are you pig-ignorant enough to assert that cops have the names and
> photos of MILLIONS of convicted felons memorized?
Nope, but they sure as hell know what the ones in their area look like.
I rather doubt that the police in Seattle are inundated with felons from
Miami.
> God damn you are one stump-stupid gun-nutter.
Actually you are for thinking such a scenario.
RD (The Sandman)
Actually, us folks who are pro gun are probably a lot more serious about
it then you trolling twits on the internet.
Scout
Because most cops know the felons who live in their area.
> Are you pig-ignorant enough to assert that cops have the names and
> photos of MILLIONS of convicted felons memorized?
Well, we could tatto a big red 'F' on their foreheads, but somehow I suspect
people like you would find that objectionable and a violation of their
rights......though you seem to have no problems violating the rights of
everyone else.
jaf
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Yes.
We should also prevent them from polluting the gene pool.
Snip. Snip.
John
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>>> "� Reality Check� �" <rea...@check.it> wrote in message
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>>>> So now every criminal and felon can openly carry their guns without
>>>> fear of police intervertion.
>>>>
>>>> Excellent!
>>> So the alternative is to treat the 98% of citizens who are NOT criminals
>>> and felons as if they were?
>>
>> Depends on how serious you are about keeping firearms out of the hands of
>> felons.
>>
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> Felon: One who was convicted of a felony. This implies that the felon
> has served his time, and so paid his debt to society. Yet society wants
> to create a system of eternal punishment for the felon by denying him all
> of his civil rights forever.
Welcome to America ... land of vindictive hypocritical puritans.
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> No guns. No votes. No jobs. No public office.
Except President.
> No military career. Just to name a few.
>
> There are those who are criminally violent, and who cannot be trusted with
> a rake handle, let alone a firearm. Such people as these should never be
> let out of jail.
Why not?
Are you vindictive?
>
> But an eighteen year-old who was caught with X (insert your state's limit
> here) grams of marijuana that he was planning to party with? Should we
> deny him all the rights of the citizen, when his sentence has been served?
Why do you hate America?
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So what was your father's excuse?
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>>> "� Reality Check� �" <rea...@check.it> wrote in message
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>>>> So now every criminal and felon can openly carry their guns without
>>>> fear of police intervertion.
>>>>
>>>> Excellent!
>>>
>>> So the alternative is to treat the 98% of citizens who are NOT
>>> criminals and felons as if they were?
>>
>> Depends on how serious you are about keeping firearms out of the hands
>> of felons.
>
> Actually, us folks who are pro gun are probably a lot more serious about
> it then you trolling twits on the internet.
You're lying again, nutter.
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Bama meet Terry ...
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>> Are you pig-ignorant enough to assert that cops have the names and photos
>> of
>> MILLIONS of convicted felons memorized?
>>
>> God damn you are one stump-stupid gun-nutter.
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> God damn you are one stump-stupid freedom-hater.
>
> The sound of "Your papers, please. And be quick about it!" will be heard
> throughout the land.
And here we thought you gun-nutters would save us from tyranny ... or so you
fantasize.
� Reality Check� �
Do tell.
>
>> Are you pig-ignorant enough to assert that cops have the names and
>> photos of MILLIONS of convicted felons memorized?
>
> Nope, but they sure as hell know what the ones in their area look like.
Sure ... just like on da tee vee shows, eh numbnuts?
> I rather doubt that the police in Seattle are inundated with felons from
> Miami.
Damn you are one stump-stupid inbred imbecile.
Gray Ghost
september.org:
> So random stops and searches should be the order of the day?
>
Well, you only have the rights government grants you, so they can be revoked
at any time.
So says Weasel.
Bama Brian
Good thing you were never 18, John. You might have made a mistake and
had to pay for it your entire life.
Bama Brian
I hate the tyrannical bureaucracy that it is becoming; literally an
Anarcho-tyranny.
� Reality Check� �
And the more afraid and cowardly the populace is, the more willing they are
to tolerate ... even offer ... those revocations. Think post 9.11 Amerikkka.
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"Scout" <me4...@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote in message
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ROTFLMAO!!
You're lying again, asswipe.
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>> Are you pig-ignorant enough to assert that cops have the names and
>> photos of MILLIONS of convicted felons memorized?
>
> Well, we could tatto a big red 'F' on their foreheads, but somehow I
> suspect
> people like you would find that objectionable and a violation of their
> rights......though you seem to have no problems violating the rights of
> everyone else.
You seem to have no problem allowing felons to carry firearms unmolested
from the police.
� Reality Check� �
"Bama Brian" <claypo...@gmail.com> wrote
Has become ...
So if you hate it so much, why do you stay?
Waiting for your personal engraved invitation to the Revolution to arrive ?
Bama Brian
Terry stops are not random. The cop needs probable cause for such a
stop and search.
True random stops and searches would have the cops strip-searching young
good-looking women on the streets.
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>>> Are you pig-ignorant enough to assert that cops have the names and photos
>>> of
>>> MILLIONS of convicted felons memorized?
>>>
>>> God damn you are one stump-stupid gun-nutter.
>> God damn you are one stump-stupid freedom-hater.
>>
>> The sound of "Your papers, please. And be quick about it!" will be heard
>> throughout the land.
>
> And here we thought you gun-nutters would save us from tyranny ... or so you
> fantasize.
We may yet have to. Not that such as you would help.
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@mid.individual.net:
Then why continue to respond? ;)
RD (The Sandman)
@mid.individual.net:
When is the last time you had an idea about how to keep guns out of the
hands of the criminals. Let me know how its working out.
RD (The Sandman)
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>>� Reality Check� � wrote:
>>> "DockScience" <DockS...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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>>>> "� Reality Check� �" <rea...@check.it> wrote in message
>>>> news:7hkm3rF...@mid.individual.net...
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>>>>> So now every criminal and felon can openly carry their guns
>>>>> without fear of police intervertion.
>>>>>
>>>>> Excellent!
>>>> So the alternative is to treat the 98% of citizens who are NOT
>>>> criminals and felons as if they were?
>>>
>>> Depends on how serious you are about keeping firearms out of the
>>> hands of felons.
>>>
>>
>> Felon: One who was convicted of a felony. This implies that the
>> felon has served his time, and so paid his debt to society. Yet
>> society wants to create a system of eternal punishment for the felon
>> by denying him all of his civil rights forever.
>
> Welcome to America ... land of vindictive hypocritical puritans.
If his felony was non-violent, why should he lose his RKBA?
>> No guns. No votes. No jobs. No public office.
>
> Except President.
Or Mayor of DC.
>> No military career. Just to name a few.
>>
>> There are those who are criminally violent, and who cannot be trusted
>> with a rake handle, let alone a firearm. Such people as these should
>> never be let out of jail.
>
> Why not?
THey have shown a prediliction toward violence. Should they be kept in
forever? No, but should they get their RKBA back? NO.
> Are you vindictive?
Yep....are you an idiot?
>> But an eighteen year-old who was caught with X (insert your state's
>> limit here) grams of marijuana that he was planning to party with?
>> Should we deny him all the rights of the citizen, when his sentence
>> has been served?
>
> Why do you hate America?
Don't. That happens here and some of it shouldn't. End the War on
Drugs.
RD (The Sandman)
If you truly think it should be spelled with "Ks", when are you
leaving?
RD (The Sandman)
No, he isn't.....it's part of their job.
>>> Are you pig-ignorant enough to assert that cops have the names and
>>> photos of MILLIONS of convicted felons memorized?
>>
>> Well, we could tatto a big red 'F' on their foreheads, but somehow I
>> suspect
>> people like you would find that objectionable and a violation of
>> their rights......though you seem to have no problems violating the
>> rights of everyone else.
>
> You seem to have no problem allowing felons to carry firearms
> unmolested from the police.
You seem to be an idiot. Do you think that isn't true?
jaf
"� Reality Check� �" <rea...@check.it> wrote in message news:7i3keeF...@mid.individual.net...
My father was a decorated veteran of WWII.
That never was, nor ever will be felony.
John
jaf
"Bama Brian" <claypo...@gmail.com> wrote in message news:h9imk0$lqh$2...@news.eternal-september.org...
Good thing god gave me the ability to think before making a mistake that would ruin my life.
John
Daniel
> Daniel <sabot12...@hotmail.com> wrote innews:6e6b828e-1940-4031...@z28g2000vbl.googlegroups.com:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Sep 22, 12:31 pm, nraclaptrap <nraclapt...@invalid.invalid> wrote:
> >> Daniel <sabot12...@hotmail.com> wrote
> >> innews:bf4aad64-3272-4762-94a9-a9ef
> > f1323...@l31g2000vbp.googlegroups.com:
>
> >> >> So now every criminal and felon can openly carry their guns
> >> >> without fear of police intervertion.
>
>
> >> Well if everybody's carrying guns how do you tell the criminals from
> >> the law-abiding citizens? You wait until they murder somebody, right
> >> Spaniel?
>
> > No, felons are not allowed by law to own weapons. Why do you have a
> > problem with a law-abiding citizen exercizing their Second Amendment
> > right?
>
> Why is it okay with you for rapists to carry guns?
What part of my post did you NOT understand? Rapists ARE fleons, and
by law are not allowed to own guns. Why do you have a problem with law
abiding citizens exercising their Second Amendment right?
>
> >> Of course the ones who kill an unarmed man or woman simply because
> >> they "felt threatened", they're with the NRA. They have a right to
> >> murder you if they just "feel threatened".
>
> > Could you please try to make an argument that makes sense?
>
> You're so ignorant you've never heard of "make my day" laws?
>
> Next please.
Like I said, make an argument that makes sense.
Gray Ghost
> "� Reality Check� �" <rea...@check.it> wrote in
> news:7i453iF...@mid.individual.net:
>
>>
>> "Gray Ghost" <grey_ghost47...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>> news:Xns9C91616296B11We...@216.196.97.142...
>>> Bama Brian <claypo...@gmail.com> wrote in
>>> news:h9g6cq$akk$1...@news.eternal-
>>> september.org:
>>>
>>>> So random stops and searches should be the order of the day?
>>>>
>>>
>>> Well, you only have the rights government grants you, so they can be
>>> revoked at any time.
>>>
>>> So says Weasel.
>>
>> And the more afraid and cowardly the populace is, the more willing
>> they are to tolerate ... even offer ... those revocations. Think post
>> 9.11 Amerikkka.
>>
>>
>>
>
> If you truly think it should be spelled with "Ks", when are you
> leaving?
>
RD, the piece of shit doesn't live here.
SaPeIsMa
"Daniel" <sabot...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:6cac1fee-2bf0-4d1e...@l31g2000vbp.googlegroups.com...
On Sep 23, 4:31 pm, nraclaptrap <nraclapt...@invalid.invalid> wrote:
> Daniel <sabot12...@hotmail.com> wrote
> innews:6e6b828e-1940-4031...@z28g2000vbl.googlegroups.com:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Sep 22, 12:31 pm, nraclaptrap <nraclapt...@invalid.invalid> wrote:
> >> Daniel <sabot12...@hotmail.com> wrote
> >> innews:bf4aad64-3272-4762-94a9-a9ef
> > f1323...@l31g2000vbp.googlegroups.com:
>
> >> >> So now every criminal and felon can openly carry their guns
> >> >> without fear of police intervertion.
>
> >> > WTF?
>
> >> Well if everybody's carrying guns how do you tell the criminals from
> >> the law-abiding citizens? You wait until they murder somebody, right
> >> Spaniel?
>
> > No, felons are not allowed by law to own weapons. Why do you have a
> > problem with a law-abiding citizen exercizing their Second Amendment
> > right?
>
> Why is it okay with you for rapists to carry guns?
#
# What part of my post did you NOT understand? Rapists ARE fleons, and
# by law are not allowed to own guns. Why do you have a problem with law
# abiding citizens exercising their Second Amendment right?
#
>
> >> Of course the ones who kill an unarmed man or woman simply because
> >> they "felt threatened", they're with the NRA. They have a right to
> >> murder you if they just "feel threatened".
>
> > Could you please try to make an argument that makes sense?
>
> You're so ignorant you've never heard of "make my day" laws?
>
> Next please.
# Like I said, make an argument that makes sense.
#
You're wasting your time
nraclap... aka Lone Weasel, is an idiot that has been trolling these groups
with his idiocy for a long time
Just go to google groups and sample the multitude of his posts over the
years
It's always the same idiotic nonsense reposted.
Spare us from having to read your responses..
Scout
Actually, they do, it's part of their job.
>>> Are you pig-ignorant enough to assert that cops have the names and
>>> photos of MILLIONS of convicted felons memorized?
>>
>> Well, we could tatto a big red 'F' on their foreheads, but somehow I
>> suspect
>> people like you would find that objectionable and a violation of
>> their rights......though you seem to have no problems violating the
>> rights of everyone else.
>
> You seem to have no problem allowing felons to carry firearms
> unmolested from the police.
Strawman. I've already stated how we could address that, and it seems that
you have rejected that solution. Looks like I was totally correct with my
assessment.
Harold Burton
"� Reality Check� �" <rea...@check.it> wrote:
> So now every criminal and felon can openly carry their (sic) guns without fear of
> police intervertion.
GAWD, lefturds are stupid.
Snicker.
Harold Burton
<bf4aad64-3272-4762...@l31g2000vbp.googlegroups.com>,
Daniel <sabot...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> On Sep 19, 2:24�pm, "� Reality Check� �" <real...@check.it> wrote:
> > "Gray Ghost" <grey_ghost471-newsgro...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> >
> > news:Xns9C8B770D07964We...@216.196.97.142...
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > > "Cole Firearms Inc." <colefirearm...@sbcglobal.net> wrote in
> > >news:4AB4EA4F...@sbcglobal.net:
> >
> > >>http://www.examiner.com/x-2782-DC-Gun-Rights-Examiner%7Ey2009m9d9-Fed...
> > So now every criminal and felon can openly carry their guns without fear of
> > police intervertion.
>
>
> WTF?
Lefturds are stupid, it's a fact we have to deal with.
Harold Burton
nraclaptrap <nracl...@invalid.invalid> wrote:
> Daniel <sabot...@hotmail.com> wrote in
> news:bf4aad64-3272-4762...@l31g2000vbp.googlegroups.com:
>
> >> So now every criminal and felon can openly carry their guns without
> >> fear of police intervertion.
> >
> > WTF?
>
> Well if everybody's carrying guns how do you tell the criminals from the
> law-abiding citizens?
Same way you deal with miranda rights. You lefturds were the ones
touting "rights" all these years. Tough when it comes back to bite you.
Snicker.
Harold Burton
<6e6b828e-1940-4031...@z28g2000vbl.googlegroups.com>,
Daniel <sabot...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> On Sep 22, 12:31�pm, nraclaptrap <nraclapt...@invalid.invalid> wrote:
> > Daniel <sabot12...@hotmail.com> wrote
> > innews:bf4aad64-3272-4762...@l31g2000vbp.googlegroups.com:
> >
> > >> So now every criminal and felon can openly carry their guns without
> > >> fear of police intervertion.
> >
> > > WTF?
> >
> > Well if everybody's carrying guns how do you tell the criminals from the
> > law-abiding citizens? �You wait until they murder somebody, right Spaniel?
>
>
> No, felons are not allowed by law to own weapons. Why do you have a
> problem with a law-abiding citizen exercizing their Second Amendment
> right?
>
> >
> > Of course the ones who kill an unarmed man or woman simply because they
> > "felt threatened", they're with the NRA. �They have a right to murder you
> > if they just "feel threatened".
>
>
> Could you please try to make an argument that makes sense?
Don't ask too much of lefturds.
snicker.
Harold Burton
nraclaptrap <nracl...@invalid.invalid> whined:
> Daniel <sabot...@hotmail.com> wrote in
> news:6e6b828e-1940-4031...@z28g2000vbl.googlegroups.com:
>
> > On Sep 22, 12:31�pm, nraclaptrap <nraclapt...@invalid.invalid> wrote:
> >> Daniel <sabot12...@hotmail.com> wrote
> >> innews:bf4aad64-3272-4762-94a9-a9ef
> > f132...@l31g2000vbp.googlegroups.com:
> >>
> >> >> So now every criminal and felon can openly carry their guns
> >> >> without fear of police intervertion.
> >>
> >> > WTF?
> >>
> >> Well if everybody's carrying guns how do you tell the criminals from
> >> the law-abiding citizens? �You wait until they murder somebody, right
> >> Spaniel?
> >
> > No, felons are not allowed by law to own weapons. Why do you have a
> > problem with a law-abiding citizen exercizing their Second Amendment
> > right?
>
> Why is it okay with you for rapists to carry guns?
Who claimed it was.
Snicker.
� Reality Check� �
LOL!
You really have no fucking idea how many convicted felons live in Peoria, do
you numbnuts?
Scout
I don't but then I'm not a cop who works in Peoria, but I bet the ones who
do know most of the felons who live there.
>>>>> Are you pig-ignorant enough to assert that cops have the names and
>>>>> photos of MILLIONS of convicted felons memorized?
>>>>
>>>> Well, we could tatto a big red 'F' on their foreheads, but somehow
>>>> I suspect
>>>> people like you would find that objectionable and a violation of
>>>> their rights......though you seem to have no problems violating the
>>>> rights of everyone else.
>>>
>>> You seem to have no problem allowing felons to carry firearms
>>> unmolested from the police.
>>
>> Strawman. I've already stated how we could address that, and it
>> seems that you have rejected that solution. Looks like I was totally
>> correct with my assessment.
And still we see that you would rather violate the rights of innocent
people.
� Reality Check� �
Now you're lying too.
How many convicted felons live in Dallas?
And where do they live?
And how would any given cop in Dallas know which
gun-carrying felon from Houston was sitting in the movie
theater IF HE CAN'T EVEN DETAIN THEM to run their ID ??
You gun-loons really are dumber than a bucket of dirt.
� Reality Check� �
And how, exactly, would they know who was and who wasn't a felon
if they can't even stop them to run their ID ?
� Reality Check� �
All veterans of WW2 were decorated, numbnuts.
� Reality Check� �
Your god must really HATE millions of less fortunate souls, eh numbnuts?
� Reality Check� �
"Harold Burton" <hal.i....@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:hal.i.burton-FC18...@news.newsguy.com...
>
>
> GAWD, lefturds are stupid.
Another pig-ignorant gun loon who can't spell better than a 5th grader.
� Reality Check� �
"Too_Many_Tools" <too_man...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:ee666b46-1c94-4427...@d34g2000vbm.googlegroups.com...
On Sep 19, 9:27 am, "Cole Firearms Inc."
<colefirearm...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> http://www.examiner.com/x-2782-DC-Gun-Rights-Examiner%7Ey2009m9d9-Fed...
How is an exposed firearm any different than a cell phone in a
theater?
======================
If you have to ask, you're too stupid to be trusted with a firearm, asswipe.
TMT
� Reality Check� �
>>>> "DockScience" <DockS...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:usadnVFJIs0XfifX...@giganews.com...
>>>>> "� Reality Check� �" <rea...@check.it> wrote in message
>>>>> news:7hkm3rF...@mid.individual.net...
>>>>>
>>>>>> So now every criminal and felon can openly carry their guns
>>>>>> without fear of police intervertion.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Excellent!
>>>>> So the alternative is to treat the 98% of citizens who are NOT
>>>>> criminals and felons as if they were?
>>>>
>>>> Depends on how serious you are about keeping firearms out of the
>>>> hands of felons.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Felon: One who was convicted of a felony. This implies that the
>>> felon has served his time, and so paid his debt to society. Yet
>>> society wants to create a system of eternal punishment for the felon
>>> by denying him all of his civil rights forever.
>>
>> Welcome to America ... land of vindictive hypocritical puritans.
>
> If his felony was non-violent, why should he lose his RKBA?
If his felony didn't involve a gun, why should he/she lose their RTKBA even
if it was a crime of "violence"?
>
>>> No guns. No votes. No jobs. No public office.
>>
>> Except President.
>
> Or Mayor of DC.
Those crazy feds ...
>
>>> No military career. Just to name a few.
>>>
>>> There are those who are criminally violent, and who cannot be trusted
>>> with a rake handle, let alone a firearm. Such people as these should
>>> never be let out of jail.
>>
>> Why not?
>
> THey have shown a prediliction toward violence.
So any and every singular incident in your past shows "a prediliction"
toward
the same act(s) in the future?
Do tell.
> Should they be kept in
> forever? No, but should they get their RKBA back? NO.
>
>> Are you vindictive?
>
> Yep....are you an idiot?
You're the imbecile who thinks the cops have MEMORIZED every FELON in
the U$A ... and can identify them on sight walking down the street.
ROTFLMAO !!
>
>>> But an eighteen year-old who was caught with X (insert your state's
>>> limit here) grams of marijuana that he was planning to party with?
>>> Should we deny him all the rights of the citizen, when his sentence
>>> has been served?
>>
>> Why do you hate America?
>
> Don't.
Do too.
> That happens here and some of it shouldn't. End the War on
> Drugs.
You've got the guns ... put up or shut up.
� Reality Check� �
>>>>>
>>>>>> So now every criminal and felon can openly carry their guns without
>>>>>> fear of police intervertion.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Excellent!
>>>>>
>>>>> So the alternative is to treat the 98% of citizens who are NOT
>>>>> criminals and felons as if they were?
>>>>
>>>> Depends on how serious you are about keeping firearms out of the
> hands
>>>> of felons.
>>>
>>> Actually, us folks who are pro gun are probably a lot more serious
> about
>>> it then you trolling twits on the internet.
>>
>> You're lying again, nutter.
>>
>>
>>
>
> When is the last time you had an idea about how to keep guns out of the
> hands of the criminals. Let me know how its working out.
You're the one who wants felons to be able to openly carry firearms without
fear of police being able to detain and question them.
Brilliant!
nraclaptrap
2EF90F.214...@news.newsguy.com:
> In article <Xns9C8F9DF18808Cp...@216.196.97.131>,
> nraclaptrap <nracl...@invalid.invalid> whined:
>
>> Daniel <sabot...@hotmail.com> wrote in
>> news:6e6b828e-1940-4031-ac60-edf481b27fb5
@z28g2000vbl.googlegroups.com:
>>
>> > On Sep 22, 12:31�pm, nraclaptrap <nraclapt...@invalid.invalid>
wrote:
>> >> Daniel <sabot12...@hotmail.com> wrote
>> >> innews:bf4aad64-3272-4762-94a9-a9ef
>> > f132...@l31g2000vbp.googlegroups.com:
>> >>
>> >> >> So now every criminal and felon can openly carry their guns
>> >> >> without fear of police intervertion.
>> >>
>> >> > WTF?
>> >>
>> >> Well if everybody's carrying guns how do you tell the criminals
from
>> >> the law-abiding citizens? �You wait until they murder somebody,
right
>> >> Spaniel?
>> >
>> > No, felons are not allowed by law to own weapons. Why do you have a
>> > problem with a law-abiding citizen exercizing their Second Amendment
>> > right?
>>
>> Why is it okay with you for rapists to carry guns?
>
> Who claimed it was.
>
> Snicker.
You snicker about rapists carrying guns? Maybe you are one.
--
NRACLAPTRAP
RD (The Sandman)
Nope......that was your take due to your lack of understanding of police
work.
RD (The Sandman)
>
> "RD (The Sandman)" <rdsandman(spamlock)@comcast.net> wrote
>> "� Reality Check� �" <rea...@check.it> wrote in
>>> "Bama Brian" <claypo...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>>>� Reality Check� � wrote:
>>>>> "DockScience" <DockS...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>>>> news:usadnVFJIs0XfifX...@giganews.com...
>>>>>> "� Reality Check� �" <rea...@check.it> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:7hkm3rF...@mid.individual.net...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> So now every criminal and felon can openly carry their guns
>>>>>>> without fear of police intervertion.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Excellent!
>>>>>> So the alternative is to treat the 98% of citizens who are NOT
>>>>>> criminals and felons as if they were?
>>>>>
>>>>> Depends on how serious you are about keeping firearms out of the
>>>>> hands of felons.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Felon: One who was convicted of a felony. This implies that the
>>>> felon has served his time, and so paid his debt to society. Yet
>>>> society wants to create a system of eternal punishment for the
>>>> felon by denying him all of his civil rights forever.
>>>
>>> Welcome to America ... land of vindictive hypocritical puritans.
>>
>> If his felony was non-violent, why should he lose his RKBA?
>
> If his felony didn't involve a gun, why should he/she lose their RTKBA
> even if it was a crime of "violence"?
Let me give you a word to look up in a dictionary. Propensity. P-r-o-p-
e-n-s-i-t-y. Use your finger to underline the letters and move your lips
if you need to.
>>>> No guns. No votes. No jobs. No public office.
>>>
>>> Except President.
>>
>> Or Mayor of DC.
>
> Those crazy feds ...
Mayor of DC is not a fed.
>>>> No military career. Just to name a few.
>>>>
>>>> There are those who are criminally violent, and who cannot be
>>>> trusted with a rake handle, let alone a firearm. Such people as
>>>> these should never be let out of jail.
>>>
>>> Why not?
>>
>> THey have shown a prediliction toward violence.
>
> So any and every singular incident in your past shows "a prediliction"
> toward
> the same act(s) in the future?
Who said it was a singular incident? See why you have trouble
understanding what people post? You have a tendency to add or subtract
your own words to what was really said.
> Do tell.
>
>> Should they be kept in
>> forever? No, but should they get their RKBA back? NO.
>>
>>> Are you vindictive?
>>
>> Yep....are you an idiot?
>
> You're the imbecile who thinks the cops have MEMORIZED every FELON in
> the U$A ... and can identify them on sight walking down the street.
See what I mean? That is a statement that was never made. You added
your own words to it and then wonder why no one agrees with you.
> ROTFLMAO !!
Mirror....mirror....
>>
>>>> But an eighteen year-old who was caught with X (insert your state's
>>>> limit here) grams of marijuana that he was planning to party with?
>>>> Should we deny him all the rights of the citizen, when his sentence
>>>> has been served?
>>>
>>> Why do you hate America?
>>
>> Don't.
>
> Do too.
>
>> That happens here and some of it shouldn't. End the War on
>> Drugs.
>
> You've got the guns ... put up or shut up.
Show up at my house and threaten me or my family and we shall see how you
well you can walk with an AK shoved up your ass. Put up or shut
up......wasn't that your words of the day? ;)
RD (The Sandman)
@mid.individual.net:
You just keep showing post after post that you don't think things
through very far before you send another inane message to a newsgroup.
It's a shame, really.
RD (The Sandman)
Not in the general term of being a decorated veteran.
Bama Brian
>>>>>> news:7hkm3rF...@mid.individual.net...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> So now every criminal and felon can openly carry their guns without
>>>>>>> fear of police intervertion.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Excellent!
>>>>>> So the alternative is to treat the 98% of citizens who are NOT
>>>>>> criminals and felons as if they were?
>>>>> Depends on how serious you are about keeping firearms out of the hands
>>>>> of felons.
>>>>>
>>>> Felon: One who was convicted of a felony. This implies that the felon
>>>> has served his time, and so paid his debt to society. Yet society wants
>>>> to create a system of eternal punishment for the felon by denying him
>>>> all of his civil rights forever.
>>>
>>>
>>>> No military career. Just to name a few.
>>>>
>>>> There are those who are criminally violent, and who cannot be trusted
>>>> with a rake handle, let alone a firearm. Such people as these should
>>>> never be let out of jail.
>>>
>>> Are you vindictive?
>>>
>>>> But an eighteen year-old who was caught with X (insert your state's
>>>> limit here) grams of marijuana that he was planning to party with?
>>>> Should we deny him all the rights of the citizen, when his sentence has
>>>> been served?
>> Anarcho-tyranny.
>
> Has become ...
>
> So if you hate it so much, why do you stay?
>
> Waiting for your personal engraved invitation to the Revolution to arrive ?
I thought about moving to Italy; that bastion of freedom and democracy,
and the economic powerhouse of Europe. But my poor command of Italian
leaves me with only a few words of Italian which I can pronounce: Il
Duce, Fascisti, Roma Imperale, il Papa, and, lately, Berlusconi.
--
Cheers,
Bama Brian
Libertarian
"Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it."
George Santayana
Bama Brian
Why should the cops stop someone who is behaving legally?
Think the cops should treat everyone as they do those who are "driving
while black"?
<snip>
Gray Ghost
news:Xns9C9262626...@216.196.97.130:
He is either tied with Lee for stupid or the least well informed provacatuer
that I've seen.
It is impossible for me to take this vermin seriously, much less so in that
he has an Italian email address. He's either an expatriate American who we
should be glad to be rid of or another fathead Euroturd screeching
incoherently at his betters.
Your thoughts?
Gray Ghost
I think he got a ribbon for being the best potatoe peeler in Louisiana.
Gray Ghost
@mid.individual.net:
> And how would any given cop in Dallas know which
> gun-carrying felon from Houston was sitting in the movie
> theater IF HE CAN'T EVEN DETAIN THEM to run their ID ??
>
> You gun-loons really are dumber than a bucket of dirt.
>
>
>
If the guy was just sitting there minding his own business and it is legal to
do so, exactly why would the police need to ask him or ID?
Or maybe you think the police need the same powers as the Gestapo had?
Your father would be so dissapointed that you are a supporter of the same
type of regime that he fought against.
Well, peeled potatoes in Louisiana against anyway.
Or are you tha bastard child of an American GI left behind in Italy and
bitter about not getting his PX card?
nraclaptrap
You have a privilege to carry guns and it can be easily retracted.
> Snicker.
Someone obsessed with candy bars the way you are must weigh half a ton,
eh Geraldo?
Laugh laugh laugh laugh laugh.
--
NRACLAPTRAP
Benj
>
> >> So now every criminal and felon can openly carry their guns without
> >> fear of police intervertion.
>
> > WTF?
>
> Well if everybody's carrying guns how do you tell the criminals from the
I suppose that if we allow every male to walk around with a penis and
balls (no problem in your case, Clap) how do we tell the rapists from
the law-abiding citizens? I guess you have to wait until they rape
someone, Right Clap?
Idiot.
> Of course the ones who kill an unarmed man or woman simply because they
> "felt threatened", they're with the NRA. They have a right to murder you
> if they just "feel threatened".
Of course all those ACORN leftists like you who are living off the
public dole really want to be raped and are "asking for it". After all
the more kids you have (doesn't matter who the fathers are) the more
money you collect each month.
> Does the same rule apply to "socialists", Spaniel?
Let us hope the same rules don't apply to you Claptrap because we are
hoping you Darwinize yourself BEFORE you get a chance to reproduce.
Luckily you've got built-in birth control... Your personality!
Moron.
Bert Hyman
<nracl...@invalid.invalid> wrote:
> Well if everybody's carrying guns how do you tell the criminals from
> the law-abiding citizens? You wait until they murder somebody, right
> Spaniel?
That's the way the law works in a civilized society; you have to wait
until a crime's actually been committed before locking someone up.
Sorry, but you wannabe authoritarian thugs don't get to lock up folks
simply because you don't like their looks.
But then, you're an idiot.
--
Bert Hyman St. Paul, MN be...@iphouse.com
nraclaptrap
216.250.184.7:
> In news:Xns9C8E753094C71p...@216.196.97.131 nraclaptrap
> <nracl...@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>
>> Well if everybody's carrying guns how do you tell the criminals from
>> the law-abiding citizens? You wait until they murder somebody, right
>> Spaniel?
>
> That's the way the law works in a civilized society; you have to wait
> until a crime's actually been committed before locking someone up.
Actually, preventing crimes by requiring background checks on every gun
transaction, whether FFL or private, would be a big step in the right
direction. So anybody who has a gun who hasn't had a background check is
automatically a criminal.
Have you had your background check today, Mr. Blurtosky?
> Sorry, but you wannabe authoritarian thugs don't get to lock up folks
> simply because you don't like their looks.
Spoken like a truly ugly man, Blurto.
Next please.
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jf...@ix.netcom.com
<nracl...@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>Bert Hyman <be...@iphouse.com> wrote in news:Xns9C947EFFAE7DBVeebleFetzer@
>216.250.184.7:
>
>> In news:Xns9C8E753094C71p...@216.196.97.131 nraclaptrap
>> <nracl...@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>>
>>> Well if everybody's carrying guns how do you tell the criminals from
>>> the law-abiding citizens? You wait until they murder somebody, right
>>> Spaniel?
>>
>> That's the way the law works in a civilized society; you have to wait
>> until a crime's actually been committed before locking someone up.
>
>Actually, preventing crimes by requiring background checks on every gun
>transaction, whether FFL or private, would be a big step in the right
>direction. So anybody who has a gun who hasn't had a background check is
>automatically a criminal.
>
Guilty until proven innocent, is that it? How about we do that with
persons that have previously had a DUI? Have to prove every day that
they haven't had a drink before they can operate a vehicle. That
includes a bicycle.
RD (The Sandman)
news:6e62c5dhdaskst0l2...@4ax.com:
Actually, I wouldn't have a hissy fit over that requirement. It would
have to be done at the state level, however, since the feds don't have
aegis for monitoring sales of private individuals within a state. 16
states have, basically, done this already with an FFL, Sheriff, other
local law enforcement, licenses, permits and ID cards.
nraclaptrap
news:6e62c5dhdaskst0l2...@4ax.com:
> On Mon, 28 Sep 2009 13:32:20 -0500, nraclaptrap
> <nracl...@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>
>>Bert Hyman <be...@iphouse.com> wrote in
>>news:Xns9C947EFFAE7DBVeebleFetzer@ 216.250.184.7:
>>
>>> In news:Xns9C8E753094C71p...@216.196.97.131
>>> nraclaptrap <nracl...@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Well if everybody's carrying guns how do you tell the criminals
>>>> from the law-abiding citizens? You wait until they murder
>>>> somebody, right Spaniel?
>>>
>>> That's the way the law works in a civilized society; you have to
>>> wait until a crime's actually been committed before locking someone
>>> up.
>>
>>Actually, preventing crimes by requiring background checks on every
>>gun transaction, whether FFL or private, would be a big step in the
>>right direction. So anybody who has a gun who hasn't had a background
>>check is automatically a criminal.
>
> Guilty until proven innocent, is that it?
No, if you didn't have a background check for your gun purchase, gift,
trade, etc, then you'd be a criminal.
> How about we do that with persons that have previously had a DUI?
I did have a background check. When they found I had thousands of unpaid
citations for chewing gum in the library, they gave me a pack of
Doublemint.
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/
_nw8fcHV1bdE/SI8j1VxaJAI/AAAAAAAADMA/E0MjpFj3xnQ/s1600/Doublemint.jpg
Which is not made the way it used to be.
Next please.
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Bert Hyman
<rdsandman(spamlock)@comcast.net> wrote:
> Actually, I wouldn't have a hissy fit over that requirement. It would
> have to be done at the state level, however, since the feds don't have
> aegis for monitoring sales of private individuals within a state.
You're thinking about some constitutional issue? When has that stopped
them?
WangoTango
be...@iphouse.com says...
> But then, you're an idiot.
Now you've done it, not only have you figured him out, you have let the
rest of the world in on it!
� Reality Check� �
Non la mancheranno a tutto il, l'idiota.
� Reality Check� �
"RD (The Sandman)" <rdsandman(spamlock)@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:Xns9C9263664...@216.196.97.130...
Post your address you gutless cunt.
� Reality Check� �
"RD (The Sandman)" <rdsandman(spamlock)@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:Xns9C9262626...@216.196.97.130...
Now you're lying again.
Bama Brian
Soltanto gli idioti vivono in Italia.
RD (The Sandman)
216.250.184.7:
> In news:Xns9C9494409...@216.196.97.130 "RD (The Sandman)"
> <rdsandman(spamlock)@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>> Actually, I wouldn't have a hissy fit over that requirement. It would
>> have to be done at the state level, however, since the feds don't have
>> aegis for monitoring sales of private individuals within a state.
>
> You're thinking about some constitutional issue? When has that stopped
> them?
>
Yeah, you're right......dammit......
RD (The Sandman)
Why? You won't show up.
RD (The Sandman)
@mid.individual.net:
Nope, you are the one with the reading comprehension problems.
nraclaptrap
news:Xns9C9573D61...@216.196.97.130:
>>>> Actually, preventing crimes by requiring background checks on every
>>>> gun transaction, whether FFL or private, would be a big step in the
>>>> right direction. So anybody who has a gun who hasn't had a background
>>>> check is automatically a criminal.
...
>>> Actually, I wouldn't have a hissy fit over that requirement. It
>>> would have to be done at the state level, however, since the feds
>>> don't have aegis for monitoring sales of private individuals within
>>> a state.
You forget Heller, eh Sandshitter?
The feds have databases and the internet, and all they need is 20 or 30
thousand new ATF agents strategically placed to run the background checks.
Aegis smaegis.
>> You're thinking about some constitutional issue? When has that
>> stopped them?
>
> Yeah, you're right......dammit......
You boys asked for it and Scalia delivered the goods. Now you reap what
you sowed.
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DockScience
"nraclaptrap" <nracl...@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
news:Xns9C93120937F6p...@216.196.97.131...
> You have a privilege to carry guns and it can be easily retracted.
the RIGHT of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.
And yes, you will claim this is only for those who join the US Army or its
reserve.
But then, you are a bear of little brain, and even less honesty.
nraclaptrap
news:RI2dnX4YH4HU91jX...@giganews.com:
>> You have a privilege to carry guns and it can be easily retracted.
>
> the RIGHT of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.
So obviously your gun rights are granted by the states, not by the Second
Amendment, because Scalia says DC can regulated the manner and places
you're allowed to carry guns. Just a few days ago the DC appeals court
said DC had a perfect right to make you register your guns if you want to
carry them outside your house.
Which the NRA seemingly could not bribe away.
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tankfixer
says...> news:h9448l$6ka$1...@news.eternal-september.org...
> >> of police intervertion.
> >>
> >> Excellent!
> >
>
> So the police CAN detain those who openly carry guns, to determine if
> they are felons, eh?
Or jsut pull you over when you are driving..
Just because they wish to determin if you are a felon..
tankfixer
says...> news:usadnVFJIs0XfifX...@giganews.com...
> >
> > "? Reality Check© ?" <rea...@check.it> wrote in message
> > news:7hkm3rF...@mid.individual.net...
> >
> >> So now every criminal and felon can openly carry their guns without fear
> >> of police intervertion.
> >>
> >> Excellent!
> >
> > and felons as if they were?
>
> Depends on how serious you are about keeping firearms out of the hands of
> felons.
That you willing would give up your rights is sad.