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Oleg Smirnov
Sep 1, 2015, 9:39:35 AM9/1/15
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Dear Guardian Editors: This Is Why No One Believes You Anymore
Guardian says Russia now realizes it has found itself in a political and
military quagmire. Wait a minute, wouldn't that be Kiev and its western
sponsors??
Hands down the worst paper in Britain
Black Catte 2015-09-01
This article originally appearedat Off Guardian <http://bit.ly/1Q657r2>
Dear Guardian editors, especially the Anonymous Perpetrator of Sunday's
Guardian view <http://bit.ly/1igbU6g> on Ukraine - While this is just the
latest on the conveyor-belt of state-promoted Stalinist 'alternative
realities', which now constitutes the vast majority of your (ahem) political
analysis, I feel the need to make a few observations, more out of pity than
anger.
You must be wondering why, after over a year of a continued propaganda campaign
that has seen you defending neo-nazis, racist massacres, and the wholesale
terrorising of innocent civilians, you are still largely failing to get the
message across, even to your core traditional readership. I can sense a rising
panic, bafflement and bewilderment in you. And it makes me want to reach out.
To bridge the gulf and explain why you are so totally failing to convince
anybody of anything.
It's not just because you cosy up with nazis (sorry, 'nationalists'
<http://bit.ly/1JuQHfO>), while queasily obscuring their crimes and ideologies.
It's not just because you fail to see that your go-to Russia correspondents
such as Shaun Walker and Luke Harding come over either as racist Russophobes or
idiot-shills, on a par with (OS: Mr Walker is indeed a racist Russophobe as
well as idiot-shill. Mr Harding seems to be rather more a 'regime' hater, but
his problem with Russia is even harder since he is an awfully hard-thoughtful
oaf with extremely hard and vivid demonic dreams within his hard brainpan), if
rather more intelligent than your other poorly chosen protegé, the tragi-comic
Eliot Higgins <http://bit.ly/1LHLmVi>.
It's because you're just terribly bad at what you do.
Look at this from your most recent Anonymous offering:
"President Putin's recent language may nevertheless indicate that he is
looking for a way out of what may have turned into something of a military
and political quagmire."
Russia's in a political and military quagmire?
Russia?
How many people who have been even half paying attention for the past year and
a half do you think are going to believe that?
Let's recap. The US neocon plan of financially annexing Ukraine and drawing
Russia into a proxy war with NATO seems to be dead. And let's hope it stays
that way, because while it lived it was so hardline even Kissinger repudiated
it <http://bit.ly/1L0sSwz>. So insane it almost sparked a nuclear war
<http://bit.ly/1fTiY7d>. So incompetent it dragged Europe to the point of
financial ruin, the fallout of which we are still experiencing and will
continue to experience for the foreseeable future.
Don't forget, dear Graun, we have spent the last 18 months watching our
political leaders in Europe and the US demonstrate they are equally divided
between lunatics, morons and moronic lunatics. We've seen the likes of Cameron,
Merkel and Hollande trundle their people to the edge of Armageddon, just
because Nuland et al told them to, blinking in the headlights of the oncoming
juggernaut, passive, helpless and completely idiotic.
We've discovered (if we didn't already know) the US State Department is run by
a hard core of dangerously insane halfwits who have zero understanding of
realpolitik or anything else. We've been forced to realise these people don't
understand their own (profound) limitations, can't comprehend that Ukraine is
not Tunisia, not Egypt, not even Georgia. WE've hd to face the incredible fact
that these guys actually believed they could have another of their ridiculous
'color revolutions' in Russia's strategic and political and emotional
heartland, use the usual rent-a-mob to throw Russia's Black Sea Fleet out of
Crimea, and not ignite a thermonuclear war.
We have seen Ukraine torn apart and die economically, spiritually, politically
and militarily, all in pursuit of serving this fatuous, self-defeating,
sub-intelligent agenda.
And you think you can make us forget all of that and believe it's Russia in the
quagmire, just because the Guardian says so?
The same Guardian that has destroyed its own reputation in offering
unquestioning support for this lunatic death-train from the beginning?
How much power do you think you have to sway opinion these days? Have you
checked on that recently? Do you realise you are competing with literally
hundreds of other outlets, big and small, not all of which are offering your
version of reality? Do you realise it's as easy for today's Well Meaning
Guardian Reader to click on RT as the Graun? On Global Research as the Indy? Do
you think you have a magic filter that blocks their access to these places,
just because you used to have a monopoly?
It's as if you think you can tell us to pay no attention to the man behind the
curtain, and we'll obey. How else to explain why you continue to write as if an
interested or sceptical party can't source check you in five minutes, and find
you wanting?
As here:
"After annexing Crimea last year, Mr Putin raised the stakes by launching
a conflict in the Donbass"
Here's a little bit of Internet 101. Online publications have things called
"archives." Look it up. The Guardian has one, just as we do, and all web based
journals do. Your readers can visit that archive in a few clicks. And there
they can read what you were writing about ten years ago - or a year ago. And
they can see quite easily if you are trying to subtly - or not so subtly -
change the narrative. For example, here's some extracts from the Guardian's
archive <http://bit.ly/1Q689Ma> concerning the start of that "conflict in
Donbass" you now want us to believe was kicked off by Putin riding in to
Donetsk on the back of a tank.
Guardian, April 10 2014:
Military Assaults against pro-Russian occupiers rumoured in Eastern Ukraine
<http://bit.ly/1sKFG3X>
"... After pro-Russian protesters demanding referenda on greater autonomy
from Kiev stormed government buildings in the eastern regional capitals of
Donetsk, Kharkiv and Luhansk over the weekend, rumours of a military response
by the Ukrainian authorities have run rampant .."
Guardian, April 16 2014:
Ukrainian troops 'demoralised' as civilians face down anti-terror drive ...
<http://bit.ly/1eT3kSV>
"... The situation has been repeated several times now across east Ukraine
following Kiev's announcement of its anti-terrorist operation at the
weekend: Ukrainian troops and their hardware are blocked by angry residents,
who stop them in their tracks and convince them to turn round or even
withdraw .."
Guardian, April 16 2014:
Ukraine: government troops move against pro-Russia separatists - live ...
<http://bit.ly/1lIv3cV>
"... The Ukrainian military resumed operations in the east Thursday, moving
in troops and vehicles and battling with separatists for control of an arms
depot and at least one checkpoint outside the city of Slavyansk. There were
conflicting reports of fatalities on the militia side .."
Ah yes, the ATO, as you described it <http://bit.ly/1h0dIrL> not so very long
ago. That glorious moment when John Brennan of the CIA visited Kiev
<http://bit.ly/1VtnNEk> and coincidentally, just a few days later Yats and
Turch decided to name all the people of Donbass "terrorists" and launch a
military operation to obliterate them. The images of armoured vehicles being
stopped and disarmed by the women of Slavyansk. The videos of unarmed civilians
being murdered in Odessa and Mariupol <http://bit.ly/1PIHa8y>.
You see how sleazy and manipulative your agenda immediately appears when you
pretend these things didn't happen, while at the same time your archive proves
you know full well they did? You see how morally and intellectually bankrupt
you seem when you opt for simplistic summations that are basically lies? You
see how scummily cavalier you seem to be about truth, reality and human lives?
This is why people don't believe you any more.
Obviously, in the end your chums at the top will manage to close down, or
entirely control the internet, but until they do, if you want to sell their
sociopathic agenda, you really need to become a bit more au fait with how the
world wide web works. Just lying about everything isn't enough any more. You
need to cover your own tracks. Rewrite your own recent past. Erase the
inconvenient shards of truth therein.
If you're going to lie, serially and self-contradictingly, then don't forget to
use the Memory Hole <http://bit.ly/1JJhEji>.
> <http://rt.com/op-edge/221887-guardian-uk-media-russian-criticism/>
>
> "Every Breath You Take: The Guardian's obsession with RT ..
Dear Guardian Editors: This Is Why No One Believes You Anymore
Guardian says Russia now realizes it has found itself in a political and
military quagmire. Wait a minute, wouldn't that be Kiev and its western
sponsors??
Hands down the worst paper in Britain
Black Catte 2015-09-01
This article originally appearedat Off Guardian <http://bit.ly/1Q657r2>
Dear Guardian editors, especially the Anonymous Perpetrator of Sunday's
Guardian view <http://bit.ly/1igbU6g> on Ukraine - While this is just the
latest on the conveyor-belt of state-promoted Stalinist 'alternative
realities', which now constitutes the vast majority of your (ahem) political
analysis, I feel the need to make a few observations, more out of pity than
anger.
You must be wondering why, after over a year of a continued propaganda campaign
that has seen you defending neo-nazis, racist massacres, and the wholesale
terrorising of innocent civilians, you are still largely failing to get the
message across, even to your core traditional readership. I can sense a rising
panic, bafflement and bewilderment in you. And it makes me want to reach out.
To bridge the gulf and explain why you are so totally failing to convince
anybody of anything.
It's not just because you cosy up with nazis (sorry, 'nationalists'
<http://bit.ly/1JuQHfO>), while queasily obscuring their crimes and ideologies.
It's not just because you fail to see that your go-to Russia correspondents
such as Shaun Walker and Luke Harding come over either as racist Russophobes or
idiot-shills, on a par with (OS: Mr Walker is indeed a racist Russophobe as
well as idiot-shill. Mr Harding seems to be rather more a 'regime' hater, but
his problem with Russia is even harder since he is an awfully hard-thoughtful
oaf with extremely hard and vivid demonic dreams within his hard brainpan), if
rather more intelligent than your other poorly chosen protegé, the tragi-comic
Eliot Higgins <http://bit.ly/1LHLmVi>.
It's because you're just terribly bad at what you do.
Look at this from your most recent Anonymous offering:
"President Putin's recent language may nevertheless indicate that he is
looking for a way out of what may have turned into something of a military
and political quagmire."
Russia's in a political and military quagmire?
Russia?
How many people who have been even half paying attention for the past year and
a half do you think are going to believe that?
Let's recap. The US neocon plan of financially annexing Ukraine and drawing
Russia into a proxy war with NATO seems to be dead. And let's hope it stays
that way, because while it lived it was so hardline even Kissinger repudiated
it <http://bit.ly/1L0sSwz>. So insane it almost sparked a nuclear war
<http://bit.ly/1fTiY7d>. So incompetent it dragged Europe to the point of
financial ruin, the fallout of which we are still experiencing and will
continue to experience for the foreseeable future.
Don't forget, dear Graun, we have spent the last 18 months watching our
political leaders in Europe and the US demonstrate they are equally divided
between lunatics, morons and moronic lunatics. We've seen the likes of Cameron,
Merkel and Hollande trundle their people to the edge of Armageddon, just
because Nuland et al told them to, blinking in the headlights of the oncoming
juggernaut, passive, helpless and completely idiotic.
We've discovered (if we didn't already know) the US State Department is run by
a hard core of dangerously insane halfwits who have zero understanding of
realpolitik or anything else. We've been forced to realise these people don't
understand their own (profound) limitations, can't comprehend that Ukraine is
not Tunisia, not Egypt, not even Georgia. WE've hd to face the incredible fact
that these guys actually believed they could have another of their ridiculous
'color revolutions' in Russia's strategic and political and emotional
heartland, use the usual rent-a-mob to throw Russia's Black Sea Fleet out of
Crimea, and not ignite a thermonuclear war.
We have seen Ukraine torn apart and die economically, spiritually, politically
and militarily, all in pursuit of serving this fatuous, self-defeating,
sub-intelligent agenda.
And you think you can make us forget all of that and believe it's Russia in the
quagmire, just because the Guardian says so?
The same Guardian that has destroyed its own reputation in offering
unquestioning support for this lunatic death-train from the beginning?
How much power do you think you have to sway opinion these days? Have you
checked on that recently? Do you realise you are competing with literally
hundreds of other outlets, big and small, not all of which are offering your
version of reality? Do you realise it's as easy for today's Well Meaning
Guardian Reader to click on RT as the Graun? On Global Research as the Indy? Do
you think you have a magic filter that blocks their access to these places,
just because you used to have a monopoly?
It's as if you think you can tell us to pay no attention to the man behind the
curtain, and we'll obey. How else to explain why you continue to write as if an
interested or sceptical party can't source check you in five minutes, and find
you wanting?
As here:
"After annexing Crimea last year, Mr Putin raised the stakes by launching
a conflict in the Donbass"
Here's a little bit of Internet 101. Online publications have things called
"archives." Look it up. The Guardian has one, just as we do, and all web based
journals do. Your readers can visit that archive in a few clicks. And there
they can read what you were writing about ten years ago - or a year ago. And
they can see quite easily if you are trying to subtly - or not so subtly -
change the narrative. For example, here's some extracts from the Guardian's
archive <http://bit.ly/1Q689Ma> concerning the start of that "conflict in
Donbass" you now want us to believe was kicked off by Putin riding in to
Donetsk on the back of a tank.
Guardian, April 10 2014:
Military Assaults against pro-Russian occupiers rumoured in Eastern Ukraine
<http://bit.ly/1sKFG3X>
"... After pro-Russian protesters demanding referenda on greater autonomy
from Kiev stormed government buildings in the eastern regional capitals of
Donetsk, Kharkiv and Luhansk over the weekend, rumours of a military response
by the Ukrainian authorities have run rampant .."
Guardian, April 16 2014:
Ukrainian troops 'demoralised' as civilians face down anti-terror drive ...
<http://bit.ly/1eT3kSV>
"... The situation has been repeated several times now across east Ukraine
following Kiev's announcement of its anti-terrorist operation at the
weekend: Ukrainian troops and their hardware are blocked by angry residents,
who stop them in their tracks and convince them to turn round or even
withdraw .."
Guardian, April 16 2014:
Ukraine: government troops move against pro-Russia separatists - live ...
<http://bit.ly/1lIv3cV>
"... The Ukrainian military resumed operations in the east Thursday, moving
in troops and vehicles and battling with separatists for control of an arms
depot and at least one checkpoint outside the city of Slavyansk. There were
conflicting reports of fatalities on the militia side .."
Ah yes, the ATO, as you described it <http://bit.ly/1h0dIrL> not so very long
ago. That glorious moment when John Brennan of the CIA visited Kiev
<http://bit.ly/1VtnNEk> and coincidentally, just a few days later Yats and
Turch decided to name all the people of Donbass "terrorists" and launch a
military operation to obliterate them. The images of armoured vehicles being
stopped and disarmed by the women of Slavyansk. The videos of unarmed civilians
being murdered in Odessa and Mariupol <http://bit.ly/1PIHa8y>.
You see how sleazy and manipulative your agenda immediately appears when you
pretend these things didn't happen, while at the same time your archive proves
you know full well they did? You see how morally and intellectually bankrupt
you seem when you opt for simplistic summations that are basically lies? You
see how scummily cavalier you seem to be about truth, reality and human lives?
This is why people don't believe you any more.
Obviously, in the end your chums at the top will manage to close down, or
entirely control the internet, but until they do, if you want to sell their
sociopathic agenda, you really need to become a bit more au fait with how the
world wide web works. Just lying about everything isn't enough any more. You
need to cover your own tracks. Rewrite your own recent past. Erase the
inconvenient shards of truth therein.
If you're going to lie, serially and self-contradictingly, then don't forget to
use the Memory Hole <http://bit.ly/1JJhEji>.
> <http://rt.com/op-edge/221887-guardian-uk-media-russian-criticism/>
>
> "Every Breath You Take: The Guardian's obsession with RT ..
Byker
Sep 1, 2015, 9:50:10 PM9/1/15
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"Oleg Smirnov" wrote in message news:ms49na$nj8$1...@os.motzarella.org...
Aug. 27 2015 13:22
Following a phone call with the purchaser of the painting, an exhibition
organizer has reported that the painting is now in the Koptevo district
police station: http://tinyurl.com/pt954w9
A portrait of President Vladimir Putin as a Simpsons character was stolen
from a central Moscow business center on Tuesday, the website of Afisha
magazine reported.
The painting, entitled "Man of an Era" was created by Turkmenistan-born
artist Amir Kerr, a current resident of Moscow. The exhibit at the business
center opened on Friday, and the painting sold only 15 minutes after
opening.
At the time of the theft, the exhibit had closed. Only two organizers and
three security guards were present, preventing anyone apart from the
exhibit's participants from entering the venue.
The thieves displayed stealth — no trace of them was found, even after
organizers studied the CCTV footage.
>
> Russia's in a political and military quagmire?
Portrait of Putin as a Simpsons Character Stolen From Moscow Exhibit
> Russia's in a political and military quagmire?
Aug. 27 2015 13:22
Following a phone call with the purchaser of the painting, an exhibition
organizer has reported that the painting is now in the Koptevo district
police station: http://tinyurl.com/pt954w9
A portrait of President Vladimir Putin as a Simpsons character was stolen
from a central Moscow business center on Tuesday, the website of Afisha
magazine reported.
The painting, entitled "Man of an Era" was created by Turkmenistan-born
artist Amir Kerr, a current resident of Moscow. The exhibit at the business
center opened on Friday, and the painting sold only 15 minutes after
opening.
At the time of the theft, the exhibit had closed. Only two organizers and
three security guards were present, preventing anyone apart from the
exhibit's participants from entering the venue.
The thieves displayed stealth — no trace of them was found, even after
organizers studied the CCTV footage.
Knapsack!
Sep 2, 2015, 3:00:06 AM9/2/15
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On 09/01/2015 01:36 PM, Oleg Smirnov wrote:
> <http://russia-insider.com/en/media-criticism/dear-guardian-editors-why-no-one-believes-you-anymore/ri9458>
>
>
> Dear Guardian Editors: This Is Why No One Believes You Anymore
>
> Guardian says Russia now realizes it has found itself in a political and
> military quagmire. Wait a minute, wouldn't that be Kiev and its western
> sponsors??
Europe and America don't want anything to do with it. Ukraine is on
> <http://russia-insider.com/en/media-criticism/dear-guardian-editors-why-no-one-believes-you-anymore/ri9458>
>
>
> Dear Guardian Editors: This Is Why No One Believes You Anymore
>
> Guardian says Russia now realizes it has found itself in a political and
> military quagmire. Wait a minute, wouldn't that be Kiev and its western
> sponsors??
its own.
> Hands down the worst paper in Britain
to, gave the NSA documents to.
Oleg Smirnov
Sep 2, 2015, 3:50:58 AM9/2/15
to
Knapsack!, <news:loCdneELgqHoA3vI...@earthlink.com>
If it was on its own there would be peaceful development,
the current destabilisation of the Ukraine is direct result
of the Atlanticist - mainly American - effort.
>> Hands down the worst paper in Britain
>
> And yet one that Edward Snowden, who Moscow is currently
> giving asylum to, gave the NSA documents to.
The London Pravda has a decent stance about some topics,
but in their coverage of Russia it is the most sklent and
stinky mainstream rag in Britain.
> On 09/01/2015 01:36 PM, Oleg Smirnov wrote:
>> <http://russia-insider.com/en/media-criticism/dear-guardian-editors-why-no-one-believes-you-anymore/ri9458>
>>
>>
>> Dear Guardian Editors: This Is Why No One Believes You
>> Anymore Guardian says Russia now realizes it has found itself in
>> a political and military quagmire. Wait a minute,
>> wouldn't that be Kiev and its western sponsors??
>
> Europe and America don't want anything to do with it. Ukraine is on its own.
You're either misinformed or trolling.
>> <http://russia-insider.com/en/media-criticism/dear-guardian-editors-why-no-one-believes-you-anymore/ri9458>
>>
>>
>> Dear Guardian Editors: This Is Why No One Believes You
>> Anymore Guardian says Russia now realizes it has found itself in
>> a political and military quagmire. Wait a minute,
>> wouldn't that be Kiev and its western sponsors??
>
> Europe and America don't want anything to do with it. Ukraine is on its own.
If it was on its own there would be peaceful development,
the current destabilisation of the Ukraine is direct result
of the Atlanticist - mainly American - effort.
>> Hands down the worst paper in Britain
>
> And yet one that Edward Snowden, who Moscow is currently
> giving asylum to, gave the NSA documents to.
but in their coverage of Russia it is the most sklent and
stinky mainstream rag in Britain.
_ G O D _
Sep 2, 2015, 11:33:17 AM9/2/15
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"Oleg Smirnov" <ve...@gde.ru> wrote
news:ms69ll$mm3$2...@os.motzarella.org...
COck-sucking liars like yourself, who are deliberately and
blatantly trying to deceive folks with your ridiculous crap of
destabilization of Xoxlostan by the Americunts. Because,
if they indeed were doing it, their weapons and the military
personnel would have been present in the area. Xoxlostan
has been historically influenced by the politics of slavery of
Churkia, which is reflected in the country's name, Outskirts,
and no other countries but Churkia, are destabilizing them....
--
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____________________________________________________
I intend to last long enough to put out of business all COck-suckers
along with all institutions of the industrialized slavery and genocide.
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Humvies, or calls in air-strikes. It doesn't have a high command, or
high security, or a high budget. The army that can defeat terrorism
does battle quietly, clearing minefields and vaccinating children. It
undermines military dictatorships and military lobbyists. It subverts
sweatshops and special interests.Where people feel powerless, it
helps them organize for change, and where people are powerful, it
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Sep 3, 2015, 10:14:59 PM9/3/15
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On Wed, 02 Sep 2015 07:00:04 +0000, "Knapsack!"
<knap...@dogfoodscene.net> wrote:
>On 09/01/2015 01:36 PM, Oleg Smirnov wrote:
>> <http://russia-insider.com/en/media-criticism/dear-guardian-editors-why-no-one-believes-you-anymore/ri9458>
>>
>>
>> Dear Guardian Editors: This Is Why No One Believes You Anymore
>>
>> Guardian says Russia now realizes it has found itself in a political and
>> military quagmire. Wait a minute, wouldn't that be Kiev and its western
>> sponsors??
>
>Europe and America don't want anything to do with it. Ukraine is on
>its own.
Correct. There MIGHT have been profit in a struggle
<knap...@dogfoodscene.net> wrote:
>On 09/01/2015 01:36 PM, Oleg Smirnov wrote:
>> <http://russia-insider.com/en/media-criticism/dear-guardian-editors-why-no-one-believes-you-anymore/ri9458>
>>
>>
>> Dear Guardian Editors: This Is Why No One Believes You Anymore
>>
>> Guardian says Russia now realizes it has found itself in a political and
>> military quagmire. Wait a minute, wouldn't that be Kiev and its western
>> sponsors??
>
>Europe and America don't want anything to do with it. Ukraine is on
>its own.
over Ukraine but ISIL stole all the thunder instead. Now
nobody gives a shit about Ukraine. Just split it down
the middle and forget about it for 100 years ....
And clearly Putin hasn't experience any 'quagmire' ...
standing tough on Crimea/eastern-Ukraine has done
nothing but impove his standing at home - exactly
the opposite of what western talking-heads told us
would happen.
>> Hands down the worst paper in Britain
>
>And yet one that Edward Snowden, who Moscow is currently giving asylum
>to, gave the NSA documents to.
being discreet ? :-)
Byker
Sep 9, 2015, 10:13:59 PM9/9/15
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"Oleg Smirnov" wrote in message news:msqogg$shp$1...@os.motzarella.org...
>
> The Guardian appears to run an online editorial policy that there should
> be a least one article daily painting Russia as a dark and unsavoury place
> full of chauvinist post-Soviet half-wits and controlled by sadistic mafia
> hordes. The type of place that is a threat to the civilized world which we
> might need to control via tighter sanctions, regime change, or all-out
> war.
Where there's smoke, there's fire, Oleg...
>
> The Guardian appears to run an online editorial policy that there should
> be a least one article daily painting Russia as a dark and unsavoury place
> full of chauvinist post-Soviet half-wits and controlled by sadistic mafia
> hordes. The type of place that is a threat to the civilized world which we
> might need to control via tighter sanctions, regime change, or all-out
> war.
Where there's smoke, there's fire, Oleg...
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