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st...@_tropheus.demon.co.uk

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Apr 28, 2003, 8:32:19 AM4/28/03
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On Mon, 28 Apr 2003 11:21:36 +0100, Helen Williams
<hel...@zetnet.co.uk> wrote:

>The message <200304281...@zetnet.co.uk>
>from Helen Williams <hel...@zetnet.co.uk> contains these words:
>
>> I've just received a fresh letter of entitlement from the DWP, which has
>> changed the status of my DLA from the category of 'for life' to one of
>> 'indefinitely.' Obviously, this represents one huge reduction in
>> commitment of payments to me (indefinite meaning just that, ie we will
>> pay you for as long as we see fit/the system remains in place).
>
>> My understanding of Blunket'ts tightening up of the disability payments
>> system was that he could not take the 'for life' status away from people
>> who had already been awarded it. Does anyone know anything about this?
>
>> Thanks,
>> Helen w:(
>
>please ignore the above, as I've just found a telephone advice line on
>disability benefits (Disability Alliance) 0207 247 8763.
>
>H (spitting feathers!)

Helen,

What did they say? I think my DLA has always said 'indefinitely' since
I first got it a few years ago. Do we suppose they are just covering
themselves in case of miracle cures?

Steve

jul...@glanceulan.fsbusiness.co.uk

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Apr 28, 2003, 1:14:30 PM4/28/03
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Hi Helen,

Does this mean that my life and your life are still life?

or are you and eventually me when they get round to sending a letter now
indefinite?

or

Until a time determined by the Secretary of State?

or what ever.

cheers

Julian

Who lives quite close to Andy, but much nearer to sea level and so has the
benefit of hyper-bariac oxygen as a result! Although because of his great
elevation Andy can look down on me:-)

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Pylo

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Apr 28, 2003, 4:04:59 PM4/28/03
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Incapacity tells you you are incapable, disability tells you you are not
able and indefinite means your definitely in.


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Peter Milnes

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Apr 28, 2003, 6:12:28 PM4/28/03
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Indefinitely means just that, ie until you are no longer able to receive
payments e.g. dead.

Cheers, Peter who was also thrown into a quandary by the letter for my wife, but
when I tried the Lo-call number it was permanently engaged with no recall
facility (switchboard).

"Pylo" <Ph...@wizzbang.biz> wrote in message
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: Incapacity tells you you are incapable, disability tells you you are not

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Phil C.

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Apr 29, 2003, 8:37:49 AM4/29/03
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Helen Williams <hel...@zetnet.co.uk> wrote:

>But spoke to DWP who told me that 'indefinite' in their terms means 'for
>the foreseeable future.' and that I had no need to be worried because
>now I could apply for the higher care rate if my condition deteriorated
>whereas I couldn't before, under the fixed 'for life' status. They
>wouldn't acknowledge the huge difference between something that was for
>life (and therefore infinite as far as this mortal coil is concerned),
>and something that was indefinite and could not see why they had made me
>feel insecure whereas before I had felt secure. They did, however, say
>that under the new indefinite definition I could also dispense with my
>DLA if I got better with drugs or something - I wish!! In the words of
>the immortal Mrs Beeton, 'first find your hare/cure.'
>I remain unhappy, and unconvinced of the govt's benign intent. Many of
>my most important financial decisions were made on the promise of that
>particular level of DLA for life and I feel that they have breached
>their contract with me without warning and without consultation.
>
>Am not going to let this drop until I find out what's going on, and will
>let you know what I do find out.

I remember being quite startled when I was awarded DLA "for life". I
almost expected an old man in a wig to say "...and may God have mercy
upon your soul. Take him down." But the small print gave them a get-out
in case of miracle cures. It never really was guaranteed for life.

It's possible that the new system of everything being up for review
could be used against us, but my experience has been the reverse.
Because we no longer make a specific claim, I was actually awarded more
than I would have claimed. I don't know how common that is.
--
Phil C.

Phil C.

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Apr 29, 2003, 8:37:51 AM4/29/03
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Helen Williams <hel...@zetnet.co.uk> wrote:

>LOL Julian. I think that those people who were on the higher rates for
>life have definitely been cuckolded into becoming an indefinite
>impressionist still life painting - probably nicked from the Whitworth
>gallery then rolled up to be hidden in a large sausage as was' the
>painting of the fallen Madonna with the big boobies'.

The stolen paintings were recovered next to disused public toilet. The
paintings have been returned to the gallery - but what happened to the
toilet? Is it now in Tate Modern?
--
Phil C.

Pauline

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Apr 29, 2003, 1:26:56 PM4/29/03
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Helen Williams wrote...
...................................................... They did, however, say

| that under the new indefinite definition I could also dispense with my
| DLA if I got better with drugs or something - I wish!! In the words of
| the immortal Mrs Beeton, 'first find your hare/cure.'

Sounds to me as though someone has been reading
about NICE and that drugs are now being more readily
prescribed to people with MS. The DWP are constantly
preoccupied with the possibility that the claimant's health
might improve without them being notified.

I am reminded of 1997 when Ms. Harman decided that
too many people were falsely claiming state benefits.
Some people were interviewed and it was reported that
an amputee was asked how long did he think it would
be before his condition improved.

I received my diagnosis that year but having sent in a DLA
claim form, had to wait until their doctor examined me
and completed the very same form. I obviously gave the
right answers. [Perhaps it was Colin coughing in the
background during the multichoice questions. LOL]

DLTBGYD!

Take care,
Pauline

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