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Stephen Thomas Cole
Apr 27, 2019, 3:14:12 AM4/27/19
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EU Citizen Brian Reay <no...@m.com> wrote:
> Stephen Thomas Cole <use...@stephenthomascole.com> wrote:
>> The Todal <the_...@icloud.com> wrote:
>>> On 25/04/2019 07:58, Stephen Thomas Cole wrote:
>>>> The Todal <the_...@icloud.com> wrote:
>>>>> On 24/04/2019 06:20, Stephen Thomas Cole wrote:
>>>>>> The Todal <the_...@icloud.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> On 23/04/2019 23:10, Yellow wrote:
>>>>>>>> Am I the only one bemused that a 16 year old foreigner is getting
>>>>>>>> meetings with MPs so as to tell them off?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The country has gone beyond mad.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Or are other people actually impressed by this?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-48017083
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It's like the Emperor's New Clothes. Nobody dares to say that this child
>>>>>>> doesn't deserve an audience with our MPs and has nothing of value to say
>>>>>>> in her climate change "act".
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I’m not sure if you’re being sarcastic or not, so I’m just going to take
>>>>>> what you write there at face value. I personally do not agree that Thunberg
>>>>>> has nothing of value to say; the man-made destruction of our planet’s
>>>>>> biosphere is real and now essentially unstoppable. The only hope there is
>>>>>> is for radical, massive, and immediate change in our entire system, and
>>>>>> this young girl articulates that convincingly and in a striking manner
>>>>>> that’s all but guaranteed to capture time on the tv news, which is the most
>>>>>> important part of her “act”, tbh; seizing attention.
>>>>>
>>>>> The gist of what she is saying is that having seen climate change
>>>>> presentation she personally is so worried about climate change that she
>>>>> cannot now concentrate on her school work. So she plays truant.
>>>>>
>>>>> This wouldn't have quite the same impact if a 40 year old man said that
>>>>> he was so worried about climate change that he's not going into work.
>>>>> And is likely to get fired.
>>>>>
>>>>> Still, who would have thought it? A teenage girl who isn't obsessed with
>>>>> cosmetics, clothes and boys? She must be inspired by the Lord, or something.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> That’s a disappointingly reactionary take on it, tbh.
>>>>
>>>
>>> For the sake of argument, I'll accept that all her beliefs about climate
>>> change are accurate.
>>>
>>> Why are they more worthy of attention because they come from her, a 16
>>> year old? Surely it goes without saying that she isn't a scientist,
>>> someone who should be consulted by governments, who should attend
>>> climate change conferences?
>>>
>>> For that matter, David Attenborough probably isn't any of those things,
>>> either.
>>>
>>> To take it one step further - let's say we can find a precocious 8 year
>>> old boy who is preoccupied by climate change and very worried about it,
>>> and very articulate, with all the statistics at his fingertips. Would it
>>> be a jolly good idea to let him address crowds of people and to be
>>> interviewed by Andrew Marr, and to appear on Question Time? Does it make
>>> the underlying message more important and urgent?
>>>
>>
>> These are all fair questions. I think it’s plainly obvious as to why she’s
>> getting the attention she is, and you’ve clearly identified it yourself;
>> she’s a cute young girl with an intense look about her and speaks
>> unsettlingly precise English with a peculiar accent. It’s a very striking
>> (no pun intended) package and makes for great tv (and radio, which is where
>> I first heard her, the news were playing a clip of her bollocking the UN
>> that first time). I don’t think that this detracts from what she’s saying,
>> however. What she says is pretty much the consensus scientific position; as
>> you say yourself she pretty much regurgitates mainstream climate science
>> presentations and reports. Would it be better for the original authors of
>> these reports to have this platform and attention to spread their warnings?
>> Of course, but the media is always going to be more interested in the
>> curiosity factor of this odd young child. That’s the media’s fault, not
>> Greta Thunberg’s. If it wasn’t for Greta Thunberg, their warnings wouldn’t
>> be getting out at all. For that alone, she should be celebrated.
>>
>> Another point that validates Thunberg, imo, and lends a power to her stern
>> pronouncements is that, at 16, she is very much of the generation that is
>> going to experience the effects[1] of climate change, whereas certainly
>> your generation, and probably mine too, will be in the ground by the time
>> it all really kicks off. If this rebellion is anybody’s, it’s got to be the
>> youths’.
>>
>> [1] The main impact of climate change will be the increasing difficulty to
>> sustain human populations in equatorial zones. A collapse in farming and
>> lack of water will result in massive waves of immigration into Europe and
>> the USA, hundreds of millions of people. Look at how people reacted to a
>> few thousand Syrians walking across Europe a couple of years ago, or how
>> Trump reacted to a couple thousand South Americans walking north recently
>> and imagine the reaction to *millions* of Africans paddling across the
>> Mediterranean. This is no further than 30 or 40 years away, and is now
>> almost inevitable. Thunberg’s generation and their children have a bleak
>> future ahead of them so, when they express their anger the least we can do
>> is respectfully listen.
>>
>
> When you’ve disposed of your car, and all electrical appliances, heating
> etc, you can tell the rest of us what to do. Until then, anything you say
> is total hypocrisy.
>
Interestingly, the broad climate science consensus is that the only
meaningful steps an individual can take to contribute to reducing climate
change is 1) to switch to a plant-based diet and 2) to not use commercial
flight. I haven’t eaten meat in about 8 years and I haven’t flown in 7
years, so I’m well on my way to actually making a difference.
> And no, you can’t redirect that comment because not everyone is stupid
> enough to believe in man made global warming.
>
> As for ‘everything kicking off’ , you are just hoping ‘someone ‘ is going
> to come along and hand you all the things you are too idle to work for.
> Those things you’d have to give up to please young Greta.
>
I’d never anticipate in a million years for you to ever talk any kind of
rational sense on issues relating to climate change, Brian, and you haven’t
upset my expectations here.
--
STC / M0TEY / People’s Champion 2018
http://twitter.com/ukradioamateur
> Stephen Thomas Cole <use...@stephenthomascole.com> wrote:
>> The Todal <the_...@icloud.com> wrote:
>>> On 25/04/2019 07:58, Stephen Thomas Cole wrote:
>>>> The Todal <the_...@icloud.com> wrote:
>>>>> On 24/04/2019 06:20, Stephen Thomas Cole wrote:
>>>>>> The Todal <the_...@icloud.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> On 23/04/2019 23:10, Yellow wrote:
>>>>>>>> Am I the only one bemused that a 16 year old foreigner is getting
>>>>>>>> meetings with MPs so as to tell them off?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The country has gone beyond mad.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Or are other people actually impressed by this?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-48017083
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It's like the Emperor's New Clothes. Nobody dares to say that this child
>>>>>>> doesn't deserve an audience with our MPs and has nothing of value to say
>>>>>>> in her climate change "act".
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I’m not sure if you’re being sarcastic or not, so I’m just going to take
>>>>>> what you write there at face value. I personally do not agree that Thunberg
>>>>>> has nothing of value to say; the man-made destruction of our planet’s
>>>>>> biosphere is real and now essentially unstoppable. The only hope there is
>>>>>> is for radical, massive, and immediate change in our entire system, and
>>>>>> this young girl articulates that convincingly and in a striking manner
>>>>>> that’s all but guaranteed to capture time on the tv news, which is the most
>>>>>> important part of her “act”, tbh; seizing attention.
>>>>>
>>>>> The gist of what she is saying is that having seen climate change
>>>>> presentation she personally is so worried about climate change that she
>>>>> cannot now concentrate on her school work. So she plays truant.
>>>>>
>>>>> This wouldn't have quite the same impact if a 40 year old man said that
>>>>> he was so worried about climate change that he's not going into work.
>>>>> And is likely to get fired.
>>>>>
>>>>> Still, who would have thought it? A teenage girl who isn't obsessed with
>>>>> cosmetics, clothes and boys? She must be inspired by the Lord, or something.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> That’s a disappointingly reactionary take on it, tbh.
>>>>
>>>
>>> For the sake of argument, I'll accept that all her beliefs about climate
>>> change are accurate.
>>>
>>> Why are they more worthy of attention because they come from her, a 16
>>> year old? Surely it goes without saying that she isn't a scientist,
>>> someone who should be consulted by governments, who should attend
>>> climate change conferences?
>>>
>>> For that matter, David Attenborough probably isn't any of those things,
>>> either.
>>>
>>> To take it one step further - let's say we can find a precocious 8 year
>>> old boy who is preoccupied by climate change and very worried about it,
>>> and very articulate, with all the statistics at his fingertips. Would it
>>> be a jolly good idea to let him address crowds of people and to be
>>> interviewed by Andrew Marr, and to appear on Question Time? Does it make
>>> the underlying message more important and urgent?
>>>
>>
>> These are all fair questions. I think it’s plainly obvious as to why she’s
>> getting the attention she is, and you’ve clearly identified it yourself;
>> she’s a cute young girl with an intense look about her and speaks
>> unsettlingly precise English with a peculiar accent. It’s a very striking
>> (no pun intended) package and makes for great tv (and radio, which is where
>> I first heard her, the news were playing a clip of her bollocking the UN
>> that first time). I don’t think that this detracts from what she’s saying,
>> however. What she says is pretty much the consensus scientific position; as
>> you say yourself she pretty much regurgitates mainstream climate science
>> presentations and reports. Would it be better for the original authors of
>> these reports to have this platform and attention to spread their warnings?
>> Of course, but the media is always going to be more interested in the
>> curiosity factor of this odd young child. That’s the media’s fault, not
>> Greta Thunberg’s. If it wasn’t for Greta Thunberg, their warnings wouldn’t
>> be getting out at all. For that alone, she should be celebrated.
>>
>> Another point that validates Thunberg, imo, and lends a power to her stern
>> pronouncements is that, at 16, she is very much of the generation that is
>> going to experience the effects[1] of climate change, whereas certainly
>> your generation, and probably mine too, will be in the ground by the time
>> it all really kicks off. If this rebellion is anybody’s, it’s got to be the
>> youths’.
>>
>> [1] The main impact of climate change will be the increasing difficulty to
>> sustain human populations in equatorial zones. A collapse in farming and
>> lack of water will result in massive waves of immigration into Europe and
>> the USA, hundreds of millions of people. Look at how people reacted to a
>> few thousand Syrians walking across Europe a couple of years ago, or how
>> Trump reacted to a couple thousand South Americans walking north recently
>> and imagine the reaction to *millions* of Africans paddling across the
>> Mediterranean. This is no further than 30 or 40 years away, and is now
>> almost inevitable. Thunberg’s generation and their children have a bleak
>> future ahead of them so, when they express their anger the least we can do
>> is respectfully listen.
>>
>
> When you’ve disposed of your car, and all electrical appliances, heating
> etc, you can tell the rest of us what to do. Until then, anything you say
> is total hypocrisy.
>
Interestingly, the broad climate science consensus is that the only
meaningful steps an individual can take to contribute to reducing climate
change is 1) to switch to a plant-based diet and 2) to not use commercial
flight. I haven’t eaten meat in about 8 years and I haven’t flown in 7
years, so I’m well on my way to actually making a difference.
> And no, you can’t redirect that comment because not everyone is stupid
> enough to believe in man made global warming.
>
> As for ‘everything kicking off’ , you are just hoping ‘someone ‘ is going
> to come along and hand you all the things you are too idle to work for.
> Those things you’d have to give up to please young Greta.
>
I’d never anticipate in a million years for you to ever talk any kind of
rational sense on issues relating to climate change, Brian, and you haven’t
upset my expectations here.
--
STC / M0TEY / People’s Champion 2018
http://twitter.com/ukradioamateur
Brian Reay
Apr 27, 2019, 3:36:38 AM4/27/19
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You’re still using electricity.
You are a hypocrite.
JNugent
Apr 27, 2019, 5:43:49 AM4/27/19
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On 27/04/2019 08:14, Stephen Thomas Cole wrote:
> Interestingly, the broad climate science consensus is that the only
> meaningful steps an individual can take to contribute to reducing climate
> change is 1) to switch to a plant-based diet and 2) to not use commercial
> flight. I haven’t eaten meat in about 8 years and I haven’t flown in 7
> years, so I’m well on my way to actually making a difference.
No meat?
> Interestingly, the broad climate science consensus is that the only
> meaningful steps an individual can take to contribute to reducing climate
> change is 1) to switch to a plant-based diet and 2) to not use commercial
> flight. I haven’t eaten meat in about 8 years and I haven’t flown in 7
> years, so I’m well on my way to actually making a difference.
Got to be joking.
And no flights?
That might just be OK if your travel horizons are bounded by the seas
surrounding this island, or even perhaps by as far as you can drive on
the continent. but what of those of us who have close family on another
continent?
Have we seen the last of them, and them us?
I'll tell you right now that the answer to the "no flying" edict
consists of two words only.
Joe
Apr 27, 2019, 5:51:15 AM4/27/19
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as, oh, Emma Thompson) who have got behind the AGW thing would give up
flying.
No, I can't see it, either.
--
Joe
Norman Wells
Apr 27, 2019, 6:05:22 AM4/27/19
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Brian Reay
Apr 27, 2019, 6:26:17 AM4/27/19
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could always give that up. He could also give up electricity, heating,
etc. Of course he won't, hypocrites don't.
--
Always smile when walking, you never know where there is a camera ;-)
Remarkable Coincidences:
The Stock Market Crashes of 1929 and 2008 happened on the same
date in October. In Oct 1907, a run on the Knickerbocker Trust
Company led to the Great Depression.
JNugent
Apr 27, 2019, 6:56:59 AM4/27/19
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abelard
Apr 27, 2019, 7:06:26 AM4/27/19
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On 27 Apr 2019 07:14:10 GMT, Stephen Thomas Cole
why on earth does anyone care how old she is?
either she is talking sense or she is not...
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either she is talking sense or she is not...
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Keema's Nan
Apr 27, 2019, 7:16:00 AM4/27/19
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Stephen Thomas Cole
Apr 27, 2019, 7:45:26 AM4/27/19
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incomprehensible but consider this; there’s only a few very short decades
of economically viable oil left. When that runs out, you’ll be permanently
grounded and have no say in the matter whatsoever.
abelard
Apr 27, 2019, 7:50:05 AM4/27/19
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On 27 Apr 2019 11:45:25 GMT, Stephen Thomas Cole
expected to post nonsense
--
www.abelard.org
<use...@stephenthomascole.com> wrote:
>I’m sure that some people will find the concept of giving up flight
>incomprehensible but consider this; there’s only a few very short decades
>of economically viable oil left. When that runs out, you’ll be permanently
>grounded and have no say in the matter whatsoever.
nonsense...but then you are a self-identified socialist so you must
>I’m sure that some people will find the concept of giving up flight
>incomprehensible but consider this; there’s only a few very short decades
>of economically viable oil left. When that runs out, you’ll be permanently
>grounded and have no say in the matter whatsoever.
expected to post nonsense
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Jim GM4DHJ ...
Apr 27, 2019, 7:56:06 AM4/27/19
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Stephen Thomas Cole
Apr 27, 2019, 7:57:25 AM4/27/19
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abelard
Apr 27, 2019, 7:58:27 AM4/27/19
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On 27 Apr 2019 11:57:24 GMT, Stephen Thomas Cole
>>> incomprehensible but consider this; there?s only a few very short decades
>>> of economically viable oil left. When that runs out, you?ll be permanently
--
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<use...@stephenthomascole.com> wrote:
>abelard <abel...@abelard.org> wrote:
>> On 27 Apr 2019 11:45:25 GMT, Stephen Thomas Cole
>> <use...@stephenthomascole.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I?m sure that some people will find the concept of giving up flight
>abelard <abel...@abelard.org> wrote:
>> On 27 Apr 2019 11:45:25 GMT, Stephen Thomas Cole
>> <use...@stephenthomascole.com> wrote:
>>
>>> incomprehensible but consider this; there?s only a few very short decades
>>> of economically viable oil left. When that runs out, you?ll be permanently
>>> grounded and have no say in the matter whatsoever.
>>
>> nonsense...but then you are a self-identified socialist so you must
>> expected to post nonsense
>
>Tell me more about this infinite oil of yours.
i made no such claim...that was you
>>
>> nonsense...but then you are a self-identified socialist so you must
>> expected to post nonsense
>
>Tell me more about this infinite oil of yours.
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Stephen Thomas Cole
Apr 27, 2019, 7:59:02 AM4/27/19
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that to happen now. I’m not so sure that electric jumbo jets are coming
along shortly.
Jim GM4DHJ ...
Apr 27, 2019, 8:01:25 AM4/27/19
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news:725601464.578059059.592041....@news.individual.net...
bound to be ....
Stephen Thomas Cole
Apr 27, 2019, 8:02:48 AM4/27/19
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abelard <abel...@abelard.org> wrote:
> On 27 Apr 2019 11:57:24 GMT, Stephen Thomas Cole
> <use...@stephenthomascole.com> wrote:
>
>> abelard <abel...@abelard.org> wrote:
>>> On 27 Apr 2019 11:45:25 GMT, Stephen Thomas Cole
>>> <use...@stephenthomascole.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I?m sure that some people will find the concept of giving up flight
>>>> incomprehensible but consider this; there?s only a few very short decades
>>>> of economically viable oil left. When that runs out, you?ll be permanently
>>>> grounded and have no say in the matter whatsoever.
>>>
>>> nonsense...but then you are a self-identified socialist so you must
>>> expected to post nonsense
>>
>> Tell me more about this infinite oil of yours.
>
> i made no such claim...that was you
You implied that the concept of running out of economically viable oil was
> On 27 Apr 2019 11:57:24 GMT, Stephen Thomas Cole
> <use...@stephenthomascole.com> wrote:
>
>> abelard <abel...@abelard.org> wrote:
>>> On 27 Apr 2019 11:45:25 GMT, Stephen Thomas Cole
>>> <use...@stephenthomascole.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I?m sure that some people will find the concept of giving up flight
>>>> incomprehensible but consider this; there?s only a few very short decades
>>>> of economically viable oil left. When that runs out, you?ll be permanently
>>>> grounded and have no say in the matter whatsoever.
>>>
>>> nonsense...but then you are a self-identified socialist so you must
>>> expected to post nonsense
>>
>> Tell me more about this infinite oil of yours.
>
> i made no such claim...that was you
nonsense. If that’s what you’re saying, then you’re saying that oil is
infinite.
Stephen Thomas Cole
Apr 27, 2019, 8:04:00 AM4/27/19
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abelard
Apr 27, 2019, 8:11:20 AM4/27/19
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On 27 Apr 2019 12:02:46 GMT, Stephen Thomas Cole
to the socialist cult religion, you don't live in the real world
> that the concept of running out of economically viable oil was
>nonsense.
you made that up....but i do understand your problems
>If that’s what you’re saying, then you’re saying that oil is
>infinite.
that's you 'saying' that....not me...
do try to learn to differentiate yourself as an individual being...
become aware among other things that you have no mind
reading talent
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<use...@stephenthomascole.com> wrote:
>abelard <abel...@abelard.org> wrote:
>> On 27 Apr 2019 11:57:24 GMT, Stephen Thomas Cole
>> <use...@stephenthomascole.com> wrote:
>>
>>> abelard <abel...@abelard.org> wrote:
>>>> On 27 Apr 2019 11:45:25 GMT, Stephen Thomas Cole
>>>> <use...@stephenthomascole.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I?m sure that some people will find the concept of giving up flight
>>>>> incomprehensible but consider this; there?s only a few very short decades
>>>>> of economically viable oil left. When that runs out, you?ll be permanently
>>>>> grounded and have no say in the matter whatsoever.
>>>>
>>>> nonsense...but then you are a self-identified socialist so you must
>>>> expected to post nonsense
>>>
>>> Tell me more about this infinite oil of yours.
>>
>> i made no such claim...that was you
>
>You implied
i 'implied' nothing...that's the just one trouble with belonging
>abelard <abel...@abelard.org> wrote:
>> On 27 Apr 2019 11:57:24 GMT, Stephen Thomas Cole
>> <use...@stephenthomascole.com> wrote:
>>
>>> abelard <abel...@abelard.org> wrote:
>>>> On 27 Apr 2019 11:45:25 GMT, Stephen Thomas Cole
>>>> <use...@stephenthomascole.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I?m sure that some people will find the concept of giving up flight
>>>>> incomprehensible but consider this; there?s only a few very short decades
>>>>> of economically viable oil left. When that runs out, you?ll be permanently
>>>>> grounded and have no say in the matter whatsoever.
>>>>
>>>> nonsense...but then you are a self-identified socialist so you must
>>>> expected to post nonsense
>>>
>>> Tell me more about this infinite oil of yours.
>>
>> i made no such claim...that was you
>
>You implied
to the socialist cult religion, you don't live in the real world
> that the concept of running out of economically viable oil was
>nonsense.
>If that’s what you’re saying, then you’re saying that oil is
>infinite.
do try to learn to differentiate yourself as an individual being...
become aware among other things that you have no mind
reading talent
--
www.abelard.org
JNugent
Apr 27, 2019, 8:33:22 AM4/27/19
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JNugent
Apr 27, 2019, 8:34:10 AM4/27/19
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It was all supposed to have run out by 1980.
JNugent
Apr 27, 2019, 8:36:20 AM4/27/19
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On 27/04/2019 12:45, Stephen Thomas Cole wrote:
Is the length of a decade to be reduced or something?
Is it a new EU rule?
Brian Reay
Apr 27, 2019, 8:44:34 AM4/27/19
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Brian Reay
Apr 27, 2019, 9:02:50 AM4/27/19
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impractical for long journeys and they have the best charging
infrastructure. Oh, in theory you stop and have a coffee while the
topping up the charge, but in practice so is every one else and the
charge point is in use, there is a queue, it is broken, .......
Not everyone can charge at home- those of us with drives and/or garages
are fine but those who don't are stuck.
Then their is the 'minor' issue of the demand on the grid. Plus, of
course, the power generation - thanks to previous tree huggers we don't
have nuclear power. The previous tree huggers convinced the Gov, and I
kid you not, to continue to burn fossil fuel, especially coal, rather
than invest in nuclear power.
Keema's Nan
Apr 27, 2019, 9:54:29 AM4/27/19
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On 27 Apr 2019, Brian Reay wrote
(in article <qa1jtp$176$1...@dont-email.me>):
Wind, nuclear and solar are generating 65% of the UK’s electricity demand
today.
Do you really know what you are rambling about?
> The previous tree huggers convinced the Gov, and I
> kid you not, to continue to burn fossil fuel, especially coal, rather
> than invest in nuclear power.
Coal is generating 0% of the UK’s electricity demand today.
(in article <qa1jtp$176$1...@dont-email.me>):
today.
Do you really know what you are rambling about?
> The previous tree huggers convinced the Gov, and I
> kid you not, to continue to burn fossil fuel, especially coal, rather
> than invest in nuclear power.
abelard
Apr 27, 2019, 9:57:54 AM4/27/19
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look at the calculations here
https://www.abelard.org/briefings/fossil_fuel_replacements.php
esp the first table...
and i would rather like answers to the qs above
>Do you really know what you are rambling about?
>
>> The previous tree huggers convinced the Gov, and I
>> kid you not, to continue to burn fossil fuel, especially coal, rather
>> than invest in nuclear power.
>
>Coal is generating 0% of the UK’s electricity demand today.
>
www.abelard.org
Brian Reay
Apr 27, 2019, 10:05:54 AM4/27/19
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set to close. Around 40% comes from gas, a fossil fuel.
>
> Do you really know what you are rambling about?
>
>> The previous tree huggers convinced the Gov, and I
>> kid you not, to continue to burn fossil fuel, especially coal, rather
>> than invest in nuclear power.
>
> Coal is generating 0% of the UK’s electricity demand today.
>
>
Read what I posted.
> Do you really know what you are rambling about?
>
>> The previous tree huggers convinced the Gov, and I
>> kid you not, to continue to burn fossil fuel, especially coal, rather
>> than invest in nuclear power.
>
> Coal is generating 0% of the UK’s electricity demand today.
>
>
Keema's Nan
Apr 27, 2019, 10:10:04 AM4/27/19
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On 27 Apr 2019, Brian Reay wrote
(in article <qa1nk1$mkv$1...@dont-email.me>):
Wind 29%, nuclear 21%, solar 15%.
> AND the % due to nuclear is due to drop as stations are
> set to close. Around 40% comes from gas, a fossil fuel.
higher.
>
> >
> > Do you really know what you are rambling about?
> >
> > > The previous tree huggers convinced the Gov, and I
> > > kid you not, to continue to burn fossil fuel, especially coal, rather
> > > than invest in nuclear power.
> >
> > Coal is generating 0% of the UK’s electricity demand today.
>
> Read what I posted.
Brian Reay
Apr 27, 2019, 10:32:22 AM4/27/19
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Oh, there is a list of UK coal power stations as well:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_active_coal_fired_power_stations_in_the_United_Kingdom
Keema's Nan
Apr 27, 2019, 10:43:19 AM4/27/19
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On 27 Apr 2019, Brian Reay wrote
(in article <qa1p5l$unn$1...@dont-email.me>):
http://www.gridwatch.templar.co.uk
>
>
> Oh, there is a list of UK coal power stations as well:
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_active_coal_fired_power_stations_in_the_
> United_Kingdom
Brian Reay
Apr 27, 2019, 10:54:55 AM4/27/19
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basis data.
At the moment, I'm not running any taps, drinking any water, etc. No one
in my house is. By your logic, my water consumption is zero. Hint:
demand isn't constant. The coal stations are fired up when needed. Sat
afternoon is hardly a peak time.
Keema's Nan
Apr 27, 2019, 11:08:50 AM4/27/19
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On 27 Apr 2019, Brian Reay wrote
(in article <qa1qfu$866$1...@dont-email.me>):
Keema's Nan
Apr 27, 2019, 11:15:58 AM4/27/19
to
On 27 Apr 2019, Brian Reay wrote
(in article <qa1qfu$866$1...@dont-email.me>):
What part of "Wind, nuclear and solar are generating 65% of the UK’s
electricity demand today.” did you take to assume that I was not talking
about current (if you wish to be not amused at the pun - feel free) demand?
> Hint:
> demand isn't constant. The coal stations are fired up when needed. Sat
> afternoon is hardly a peak time.
I was merely replying to the idiot who stated - "thanks to previous tree
huggers we don’t have nuclear power.”
Brian Reay
Apr 27, 2019, 11:23:32 AM4/27/19
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BTW, did you notice the totals on your page for generated don't come
close to the demand?
Keema's Nan
Apr 27, 2019, 11:42:41 AM4/27/19
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On 27 Apr 2019, Brian Reay wrote
(in article <qa1s5j$j2r$1...@dont-email.me>):
> On 27/04/2019 17:08, Keema's Nan wrote:
> > On 27 Apr 2019, Brian Reay wrote
> > (in article <qa1qfu$866$1...@dont-email.me>):
> >
> > > On 27/04/2019 16:43, Keema's Nan wrote:
> > > > On 27 Apr 2019, Brian Reay wrote
> > > > (in article <qa1p5l$unn$1...@dont-email.me>):
> > > >
> > > > > On 27/04/2019 16:10, Keema's Nan wrote:
> > > > > > On 27 Apr 2019, Brian Reay wrote
> > > > > > (in article <qa1nk1$mkv$1...@dont-email.me>):
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > On 27/04/2019 15:54, Keema's Nan wrote:
> > > > > > > > On 27 Apr 2019, Brian Reay wrote
> > > > > > > > (in article <qa1jtp$176$1...@dont-email.me>):
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > On 27/04/2019 13:59, Stephen Thomas Cole wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > Jim GM4DHJ ...<kinvig...@ntlworld.com> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > "Stephen Thomas Cole" <use...@stephenthomascole.com> wrote in
> > > > > > > > > > > message
You must try harder.
Trying to change the subject slightly every time you are proved wrong, is a
well known right wing tactic - and so is disappointing in this case, but not
unexpected.
Brian Reay
Apr 27, 2019, 12:06:07 PM4/27/19
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Keema's Nan
Apr 27, 2019, 12:41:43 PM4/27/19
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On 27 Apr 2019, Brian Reay wrote
(in article <qa1ul6$1vq$1...@dont-email.me>):
you) in the text boxes by the fact that solar is unmetered.
But as you seem to be desperate to find fault with a site which has blown
your *facts* out of the water, I will let you have your moment of
one-upmanship glory.
Brian Reay
Apr 27, 2019, 12:51:11 PM4/27/19
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8GW written off as 'unmetered'? Hardly convincing.
Stephen Thomas Cole
Apr 27, 2019, 12:56:39 PM4/27/19
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Stephen Thomas Cole
Apr 27, 2019, 12:58:24 PM4/27/19
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pensive hamster <pensive...@hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
>>>>>>> http://www.gridwatch.templar.co.uk
> [...]
> on dials).
>
> Currently the dials read:
>
> Coal 0.64%
> Nuclear 20.54%
> Gas 26.74 %
> Wind 28.72%
>
> (total) 76.64%
>
> Mouseover on the wind dial, and you will see:
>
> "Wind: This is the total contributed by metered wind farms. Wind
> power contributes about another 30% from embedded (or unmetered)
> wind turbines ..."
Brian doesn’t do facts.
> On Saturday, 27 April 2019 17:06:08 UTC+1, Brian Reay wrote:
>> On 27/04/2019 17:42, Keema's Nan wrote:
>>> On 27 Apr 2019, Brian Reay wrote
> [...]
>> On 27/04/2019 17:42, Keema's Nan wrote:
>>> On 27 Apr 2019, Brian Reay wrote
>>>>>>> http://www.gridwatch.templar.co.uk
> [...]
>>>> BTW, did you notice the totals on your page for generated don't come
>>>> close to the demand?
>>>
>>> You didn’t read all the text boxes, did you? And it is not my page.
>>
>>> You must try harder.
>>>
>>> Trying to change the subject slightly every time you are proved wrong, is a
>>> well known right wing tactic - and so is disappointing in this case, but not
>>> unexpected.
>>
>> The numbers still don't add up.
>
> Like the man said, you need to read the text boxes (mouseover
>>>> close to the demand?
>>>
>>> You didn’t read all the text boxes, did you? And it is not my page.
>>
>>> You must try harder.
>>>
>>> Trying to change the subject slightly every time you are proved wrong, is a
>>> well known right wing tactic - and so is disappointing in this case, but not
>>> unexpected.
>>
>> The numbers still don't add up.
>
> on dials).
>
> Currently the dials read:
>
> Coal 0.64%
> Nuclear 20.54%
> Gas 26.74 %
> Wind 28.72%
>
> (total) 76.64%
>
> Mouseover on the wind dial, and you will see:
>
> "Wind: This is the total contributed by metered wind farms. Wind
> power contributes about another 30% from embedded (or unmetered)
> wind turbines ..."
Brian doesn’t do facts.
Brian Reay
Apr 27, 2019, 1:34:28 PM4/27/19
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Hint: you and pensive hamster have dug yourself in further.
Keema's Nan
Apr 27, 2019, 1:39:30 PM4/27/19
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On 27 Apr 2019, Brian Reay wrote
(in article <qa219s$idb$1...@dont-email.me>):
Solar is estimated not written off. I’m sure these people know how many GW
of solar panels are installed, and the amount of solar energy per sq cm
falling on the panels given clear skies during the day, but precise figures
for cloud cover and thickness are impossible to judge for every panel in the
UK.
> Hardly convincing.
I can’t continue a conversation with someone who is so dense they can’t
even recognise their own lack of intelligence.
Argue with yourself from now on.
Brian Reay
Apr 27, 2019, 1:46:54 PM4/27/19
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enough to prove you are talking nonsense, now you are spouting more.
Hint: the unmetered electricity does show in the demand, the demand is a
net figure. Read the Wind text box.
So, there is still 8GW missing which YOU dismissed as unmetered and I
said otherwise.
You can't even understand your own reference.
AnthonyL
Apr 27, 2019, 4:49:24 PM4/27/19
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On Sat, 27 Apr 2019 10:43:50 +0100, JNugent <jenni...@fastmail.com>
Don't expect to be rescued if anything goes wrong though.
Of course if immigration was clamped on we wouldn't have these split
family commitments.
On the other hand it is ok to fly across the pond and back in order to
make a protest.
--
AnthonyL
wrote:
>On 27/04/2019 08:14, Stephen Thomas Cole wrote:
>
>> Interestingly, the broad climate science consensus is that the only
>> meaningful steps an individual can take to contribute to reducing climate
>> change is 1) to switch to a plant-based diet and 2) to not use commercial
>> flight. I haven’t eaten meat in about 8 years and I haven’t flown in 7
>> years, so I’m well on my way to actually making a difference.
>
>No meat?
>
>Got to be joking.
>
>And no flights?
>
>That might just be OK if your travel horizons are bounded by the seas
>surrounding this island, or even perhaps by as far as you can drive on
>the continent. but what of those of us who have close family on another
>continent?
>
>Have we seen the last of them, and them us?
>
>I'll tell you right now that the answer to the "no flying" edict
>consists of two words only.
>
Learn to sail and navigate. Green energy and good exercise too.
>On 27/04/2019 08:14, Stephen Thomas Cole wrote:
>
>> Interestingly, the broad climate science consensus is that the only
>> meaningful steps an individual can take to contribute to reducing climate
>> change is 1) to switch to a plant-based diet and 2) to not use commercial
>> flight. I haven’t eaten meat in about 8 years and I haven’t flown in 7
>> years, so I’m well on my way to actually making a difference.
>
>No meat?
>
>Got to be joking.
>
>And no flights?
>
>That might just be OK if your travel horizons are bounded by the seas
>surrounding this island, or even perhaps by as far as you can drive on
>the continent. but what of those of us who have close family on another
>continent?
>
>Have we seen the last of them, and them us?
>
>I'll tell you right now that the answer to the "no flying" edict
>consists of two words only.
>
Don't expect to be rescued if anything goes wrong though.
Of course if immigration was clamped on we wouldn't have these split
family commitments.
On the other hand it is ok to fly across the pond and back in order to
make a protest.
--
AnthonyL
AnthonyL
Apr 27, 2019, 4:50:53 PM4/27/19
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On 27 Apr 2019 11:45:25 GMT, Stephen Thomas Cole
Mind you, fusion was only 10 years away too.
--
AnthonyL
<use...@stephenthomascole.com> wrote:
>
>I’m sure that some people will find the concept of giving up flight
>incomprehensible but consider this; there’s only a few very short decades
>of economically viable oil left. When that runs out, you’ll be permanently
>grounded and have no say in the matter whatsoever.
>
They were saying that when I was a kid in the '60's.
>
>I’m sure that some people will find the concept of giving up flight
>incomprehensible but consider this; there’s only a few very short decades
>of economically viable oil left. When that runs out, you’ll be permanently
>grounded and have no say in the matter whatsoever.
>
Mind you, fusion was only 10 years away too.
--
AnthonyL
AnthonyL
Apr 27, 2019, 4:57:33 PM4/27/19
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turned off and everyone can go home.
--
AnthonyL
Norman Wells
Apr 27, 2019, 5:15:00 PM4/27/19
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rather not talk about.
http://energystorage.org/energy-storage/technology-applications/spinning-reserve
Col
Apr 28, 2019, 1:08:06 AM4/28/19
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However unlike electric cars they are still decades away from being
commercially viable.
--
Col
Col
Apr 28, 2019, 1:53:46 AM4/28/19
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On 27/04/2019 14:02, Brian Reay wrote:
>
>
> The infrastructure is years away. We looked at the Tesla 4x4, totally
> impractical for long journeys and they have the best charging
> infrastructure. Oh, in theory you stop and have a coffee while the
> topping up the charge, but in practice so is every one else and the
> charge point is in use, there is a queue, it is broken, .......
>
It may seem like something of a 'Catch-22' situation, people won't buy
>
>
> The infrastructure is years away. We looked at the Tesla 4x4, totally
> impractical for long journeys and they have the best charging
> infrastructure. Oh, in theory you stop and have a coffee while the
> topping up the charge, but in practice so is every one else and the
> charge point is in use, there is a queue, it is broken, .......
>
electric cars because there aren't enough charging points, but there
won't be investment in charging points because there aren't enough
electric cars...
That said, I think we can draw a parallel with the growth in private
motoring in the 20s & 30s. The number of petrol stations grew as car
ownership rose. I don't think anybody was ever put off buying a car
because they were worried about not being able to fill up.
--
Col
Brian Reay
Apr 28, 2019, 2:43:22 AM4/28/19
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building a charging infrastructure. Plus, charging takes time, far longer
than a quick fill up.
You could always carry a can of petrol, you can’t practically carry a spare
battery.
Hybrids are more practical. Ours serves us very well. Local trips are
virtually all electric, long trips benefit from the hybrid feature, economy
is excellent. Best of all, we don’t need to worry about finding a charger.
We looked at the Tesla 4x4 but the charging issue put us off, plus the
silly doors, but mainly the charging on long trips.
The tree huggers seem to think electric cars will be zero emission but we
will need to generate more electricity to charge them. That means running
the coal and other fossil fuel stations more. Plus, the CO2 numbers for
wind turbines are not good over their total life time.
Keema's Nan
Apr 28, 2019, 3:49:59 AM4/28/19
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On 27 Apr 2019, Norman Wells wrote
(in article <gijv2j...@mid.individual.net>):
> On 27/04/2019 21:57, AnthonyL wrote:
> > On Sat, 27 Apr 2019 16:54:53 +0200, Brian Reay <no...@m.com> wrote:
>
> > > At the moment, I'm not running any taps, drinking any water, etc. No one
> > > in my house is. By your logic, my water consumption is zero. Hint:
> > > demand isn't constant. The coal stations are fired up when needed. Sat
> > > afternoon is hardly a peak time.
> >
> > Aren't they also fired up when not needed? It's not like they can be
> > turned off and everyone can go home.
> Yes, it's called spinning reserve, and is something greenies would
> rather not talk about.
Why would your stereotypical compartmentalised “greenies” not want to
talk about a spinning reserve?
Everyone knows that you can’t just shut down a coal fired power station
like you can a car.
You really are living in a cloud cuckoo land world of you vs looney lefties.I
can’t help it if you can’t see that you need to refer yourself to a
shrink.
(in article <gijv2j...@mid.individual.net>):
> On 27/04/2019 21:57, AnthonyL wrote:
> > On Sat, 27 Apr 2019 16:54:53 +0200, Brian Reay <no...@m.com> wrote:
>
> > > At the moment, I'm not running any taps, drinking any water, etc. No one
> > > in my house is. By your logic, my water consumption is zero. Hint:
> > > demand isn't constant. The coal stations are fired up when needed. Sat
> > > afternoon is hardly a peak time.
> >
> > Aren't they also fired up when not needed? It's not like they can be
> > turned off and everyone can go home.
> Yes, it's called spinning reserve, and is something greenies would
> rather not talk about.
talk about a spinning reserve?
Everyone knows that you can’t just shut down a coal fired power station
like you can a car.
You really are living in a cloud cuckoo land world of you vs looney lefties.I
can’t help it if you can’t see that you need to refer yourself to a
shrink.
Norman Wells
Apr 28, 2019, 3:50:33 AM4/28/19
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On 28/04/2019 07:43, Brian Reay wrote:
> You could always carry a can of petrol, you can’t practically carry a spare
> battery.
>
> Hybrids are more practical. Ours serves us very well. Local trips are
> virtually all electric, long trips benefit from the hybrid feature, economy
> is excellent. Best of all, we don’t need to worry about finding a charger.
On the other hand, whichever power source you're using, ICE or battery,
> You could always carry a can of petrol, you can’t practically carry a spare
> battery.
>
> Hybrids are more practical. Ours serves us very well. Local trips are
> virtually all electric, long trips benefit from the hybrid feature, economy
> is excellent. Best of all, we don’t need to worry about finding a charger.
you're always inefficiently lugging the other one around doing nothing.
And they're big and heavy, and that uses additional power.
Moreover, if you don't charge it regularly from the national grid, which
I imagine applies to quite a lot of people, you're using petrol to
charge the battery to drive the wheels in electric mode, when it would
be much more efficient to drive the wheels directly from the ICE and do
away with the electric bits.
Keema's Nan
Apr 28, 2019, 3:55:37 AM4/28/19
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On 28 Apr 2019, Col wrote
(in article <giktf8...@mid.individual.net>):
> On 27/04/2019 14:02, Brian Reay wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > The infrastructure is years away. We looked at the Tesla 4x4, totally
> > impractical for long journeys and they have the best charging
> > infrastructure. Oh, in theory you stop and have a coffee while the
> > topping up the charge, but in practice so is every one else and the
> > charge point is in use, there is a queue, it is broken, .......
> It may seem like something of a 'Catch-22' situation, people won't buy
> electric cars because there aren't enough charging points, but there
> won't be investment in charging points because there aren't enough
> electric cars...
You seem to have omitted to read up on the latest wireless inductive charging
technology (a similar version to how you charge your toothbrush).
Charging pads can be installed in the road surface and are activated by the
‘receiver’ on the underside of an electric car.
The green revolution is coming, even if certain petrol headed luddites will
try and do everything in their power to deny the fact.
(in article <giktf8...@mid.individual.net>):
> On 27/04/2019 14:02, Brian Reay wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > The infrastructure is years away. We looked at the Tesla 4x4, totally
> > impractical for long journeys and they have the best charging
> > infrastructure. Oh, in theory you stop and have a coffee while the
> > topping up the charge, but in practice so is every one else and the
> > charge point is in use, there is a queue, it is broken, .......
> It may seem like something of a 'Catch-22' situation, people won't buy
> electric cars because there aren't enough charging points, but there
> won't be investment in charging points because there aren't enough
> electric cars...
technology (a similar version to how you charge your toothbrush).
Charging pads can be installed in the road surface and are activated by the
‘receiver’ on the underside of an electric car.
The green revolution is coming, even if certain petrol headed luddites will
try and do everything in their power to deny the fact.
Keema's Nan
Apr 28, 2019, 4:02:00 AM4/28/19
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On 28 Apr 2019, Norman Wells wrote
(in article <gil4a7...@mid.individual.net>):
> On 28/04/2019 07:43, Brian Reay wrote:
>
> > You could always carry a can of petrol, you can’t practically carry a
> > spare
> > battery.
> >
> > Hybrids are more practical. Ours serves us very well. Local trips are
> > virtually all electric, long trips benefit from the hybrid feature, economy
> > is excellent. Best of all, we don’t need to worry about finding a charger.
>
> On the other hand, whichever power source you're using, ICE or battery,
> you're always inefficiently lugging the other one around doing nothing.
> And they're big and heavy, and that uses additional power.
Presumably in your cloud cuckoo land, a full tank of petrol weighs nothing?
(in article <gil4a7...@mid.individual.net>):
> On 28/04/2019 07:43, Brian Reay wrote:
>
> > You could always carry a can of petrol, you can’t practically carry a
> > spare
> > battery.
> >
> > Hybrids are more practical. Ours serves us very well. Local trips are
> > virtually all electric, long trips benefit from the hybrid feature, economy
> > is excellent. Best of all, we don’t need to worry about finding a charger.
>
> On the other hand, whichever power source you're using, ICE or battery,
> you're always inefficiently lugging the other one around doing nothing.
> And they're big and heavy, and that uses additional power.
Col
Apr 28, 2019, 4:06:15 AM4/28/19
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On 28/04/2019 08:55, Keema's Nan wrote:
> On 28 Apr 2019, Col wrote
> (in article <giktf8...@mid.individual.net>):
>
>> On 27/04/2019 14:02, Brian Reay wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> The infrastructure is years away. We looked at the Tesla 4x4, totally
>>> impractical for long journeys and they have the best charging
>>> infrastructure. Oh, in theory you stop and have a coffee while the
>>> topping up the charge, but in practice so is every one else and the
>>> charge point is in use, there is a queue, it is broken, .......
>> It may seem like something of a 'Catch-22' situation, people won't buy
>> electric cars because there aren't enough charging points, but there
>> won't be investment in charging points because there aren't enough
>> electric cars...
>
> You seem to have omitted to read up on the latest wireless inductive charging
> technology (a similar version to how you charge your toothbrush).
>
> Charging pads can be installed in the road surface and are activated by the
> ‘receiver’ on the underside of an electric car.
Interesting.
> On 28 Apr 2019, Col wrote
> (in article <giktf8...@mid.individual.net>):
>
>> On 27/04/2019 14:02, Brian Reay wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> The infrastructure is years away. We looked at the Tesla 4x4, totally
>>> impractical for long journeys and they have the best charging
>>> infrastructure. Oh, in theory you stop and have a coffee while the
>>> topping up the charge, but in practice so is every one else and the
>>> charge point is in use, there is a queue, it is broken, .......
>> It may seem like something of a 'Catch-22' situation, people won't buy
>> electric cars because there aren't enough charging points, but there
>> won't be investment in charging points because there aren't enough
>> electric cars...
>
> You seem to have omitted to read up on the latest wireless inductive charging
> technology (a similar version to how you charge your toothbrush).
>
> Charging pads can be installed in the road surface and are activated by the
> ‘receiver’ on the underside of an electric car.
I'll have to look that one up.
--
Col
Norman Wells
Apr 28, 2019, 4:09:53 AM4/28/19
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On 28/04/2019 08:49, Keema's Nan wrote:
> On 27 Apr 2019, Norman Wells wrote
> (in article <gijv2j...@mid.individual.net>):
>
>> On 27/04/2019 21:57, AnthonyL wrote:
>>> On Sat, 27 Apr 2019 16:54:53 +0200, Brian Reay <no...@m.com> wrote:
>>
>>>> At the moment, I'm not running any taps, drinking any water, etc. No one
>>>> in my house is. By your logic, my water consumption is zero. Hint:
>>>> demand isn't constant. The coal stations are fired up when needed. Sat
>>>> afternoon is hardly a peak time.
>>>
>>> Aren't they also fired up when not needed? It's not like they can be
>>> turned off and everyone can go home.
>> Yes, it's called spinning reserve, and is something greenies would
>> rather not talk about.
>
> Why would your stereotypical compartmentalised “greenies” not want to
> talk about a spinning reserve?
Because spinning reserve means conventional fossil-fuel power stations
> On 27 Apr 2019, Norman Wells wrote
> (in article <gijv2j...@mid.individual.net>):
>
>> On 27/04/2019 21:57, AnthonyL wrote:
>>> On Sat, 27 Apr 2019 16:54:53 +0200, Brian Reay <no...@m.com> wrote:
>>
>>>> At the moment, I'm not running any taps, drinking any water, etc. No one
>>>> in my house is. By your logic, my water consumption is zero. Hint:
>>>> demand isn't constant. The coal stations are fired up when needed. Sat
>>>> afternoon is hardly a peak time.
>>>
>>> Aren't they also fired up when not needed? It's not like they can be
>>> turned off and everyone can go home.
>> Yes, it's called spinning reserve, and is something greenies would
>> rather not talk about.
>
> Why would your stereotypical compartmentalised “greenies” not want to
> talk about a spinning reserve?
that have to be kept running, even if not actually required, in order to
compensate for the vagaries, inherent unreliability and inconsistency of
'renewable' sources of energy, particularly wind and solar power. They
can't just be turned off and on within seconds, so have to be kept
running all the time, very wastefully.
Greenies would like it all to be very simple. Put up a windmill and
away you go. But it isn't like that in practice.
> Everyone knows that you can’t just shut down a coal fired power station
> like you can a car.
>
> You really are living in a cloud cuckoo land world of you vs looney lefties.I
> can’t help it if you can’t see that you need to refer yourself to a
> shrink.
Norman Wells
Apr 28, 2019, 4:17:18 AM4/28/19
to
On 28/04/2019 08:55, Keema's Nan wrote:
> On 28 Apr 2019, Col wrote
> (in article <giktf8...@mid.individual.net>):
>> On 27/04/2019 14:02, Brian Reay wrote:
>>> The infrastructure is years away. We looked at the Tesla 4x4, totally
>>> impractical for long journeys and they have the best charging
>>> infrastructure. Oh, in theory you stop and have a coffee while the
>>> topping up the charge, but in practice so is every one else and the
>>> charge point is in use, there is a queue, it is broken, .......
>> It may seem like something of a 'Catch-22' situation, people won't buy
>> electric cars because there aren't enough charging points, but there
>> won't be investment in charging points because there aren't enough
>> electric cars...
>
> You seem to have omitted to read up on the latest wireless inductive charging
> technology (a similar version to how you charge your toothbrush).
>
> Charging pads can be installed in the road surface and are activated by the
> ‘receiver’ on the underside of an electric car.
>
> The green revolution is coming, even if certain petrol headed luddites will
> try and do everything in their power to deny the fact.
Can you tell me please where there are any such pads in the UK, or when
> (in article <giktf8...@mid.individual.net>):
>> On 27/04/2019 14:02, Brian Reay wrote:
>>> The infrastructure is years away. We looked at the Tesla 4x4, totally
>>> impractical for long journeys and they have the best charging
>>> infrastructure. Oh, in theory you stop and have a coffee while the
>>> topping up the charge, but in practice so is every one else and the
>>> charge point is in use, there is a queue, it is broken, .......
>> It may seem like something of a 'Catch-22' situation, people won't buy
>> electric cars because there aren't enough charging points, but there
>> won't be investment in charging points because there aren't enough
>> electric cars...
>
> You seem to have omitted to read up on the latest wireless inductive charging
> technology (a similar version to how you charge your toothbrush).
>
> Charging pads can be installed in the road surface and are activated by the
> ‘receiver’ on the underside of an electric car.
>
> The green revolution is coming, even if certain petrol headed luddites will
> try and do everything in their power to deny the fact.
they might arrive?
Will they be installed along the whole length of the M1, say, so that
cars charge up automatically as they go, or will they just be in what we
currently call 'charging points'? If the former, how much is that going
to cost, how will they be powered, and how will they be maintained? If
the latter, what the hell's the point?
Norman Wells
Apr 28, 2019, 4:18:01 AM4/28/19
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Norman Wells
Apr 28, 2019, 4:22:07 AM4/28/19
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On 28/04/2019 09:02, Keema's Nan wrote:
> On 28 Apr 2019, Norman Wells wrote
> (in article <gil4a7...@mid.individual.net>):
>
>> On 28/04/2019 07:43, Brian Reay wrote:
>>
>>> You could always carry a can of petrol, you can’t practically carry a
>>> spare
>>> battery.
>>>
>>> Hybrids are more practical. Ours serves us very well. Local trips are
>>> virtually all electric, long trips benefit from the hybrid feature, economy
>>> is excellent. Best of all, we don’t need to worry about finding a charger.
>>
>> On the other hand, whichever power source you're using, ICE or battery,
>> you're always inefficiently lugging the other one around doing nothing.
>> And they're big and heavy, and that uses additional power.
>
> Presumably in your cloud cuckoo land, a full tank of petrol weighs nothing?
Hybrids have one too.
> On 28 Apr 2019, Norman Wells wrote
> (in article <gil4a7...@mid.individual.net>):
>
>> On 28/04/2019 07:43, Brian Reay wrote:
>>
>>> You could always carry a can of petrol, you can’t practically carry a
>>> spare
>>> battery.
>>>
>>> Hybrids are more practical. Ours serves us very well. Local trips are
>>> virtually all electric, long trips benefit from the hybrid feature, economy
>>> is excellent. Best of all, we don’t need to worry about finding a charger.
>>
>> On the other hand, whichever power source you're using, ICE or battery,
>> you're always inefficiently lugging the other one around doing nothing.
>> And they're big and heavy, and that uses additional power.
>
> Presumably in your cloud cuckoo land, a full tank of petrol weighs nothing?
What point are you struggling to make?
Keema's Nan
Apr 28, 2019, 4:27:58 AM4/28/19
to
On 28 Apr 2019, Norman Wells wrote
(in article <gil5ef...@mid.individual.net>):
> On 28/04/2019 08:49, Keema's Nan wrote:
> > On 27 Apr 2019, Norman Wells wrote
> > (in article <gijv2j...@mid.individual.net>):
> >
> > > On 27/04/2019 21:57, AnthonyL wrote:
> > > > On Sat, 27 Apr 2019 16:54:53 +0200, Brian Reay <no...@m.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > > > At the moment, I'm not running any taps, drinking any water, etc. No one
> > > > > in my house is. By your logic, my water consumption is zero. Hint:
> > > > > demand isn't constant. The coal stations are fired up when needed. Sat
> > > > > afternoon is hardly a peak time.
> > > >
> > > > Aren't they also fired up when not needed? It's not like they can be
> > > > turned off and everyone can go home.
> > > Yes, it's called spinning reserve, and is something greenies would
> > > rather not talk about.
> >
> > Why would your stereotypical compartmentalised “greenies” not want to
> > talk about a spinning reserve?
>
> Because spinning reserve means conventional fossil-fuel power stations
> that have to be kept running, even if not actually required, in order to
> compensate for the vagaries, inherent unreliability and inconsistency of
> 'renewable' sources of energy, particularly wind and solar power. They
> can't just be turned off and on within seconds, so have to be kept
> running all the time, very wastefully.
Haven’t I already stated this in rather less patronising terms below?
You really are weird.
>
>
> Greenies would like it all to be very simple. Put up a windmill and
> away you go. But it isn't like that in practice.
>
> > Everyone knows that you can’t just shut down a coal fired power station
> > like you can a car.
> >
> > You really are living in a cloud cuckoo land world of you vs looney
> > lefties.I
> > can’t help it if you can’t see that you need to refer yourself to a
> > shrink.
>
> You really don't want to talk about this sensibly, do you?
I have concluded that sensible and yourself are an oxymoron.
(in article <gil5ef...@mid.individual.net>):
> On 28/04/2019 08:49, Keema's Nan wrote:
> > On 27 Apr 2019, Norman Wells wrote
> > (in article <gijv2j...@mid.individual.net>):
> >
> > > On 27/04/2019 21:57, AnthonyL wrote:
> > > > On Sat, 27 Apr 2019 16:54:53 +0200, Brian Reay <no...@m.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > > > At the moment, I'm not running any taps, drinking any water, etc. No one
> > > > > in my house is. By your logic, my water consumption is zero. Hint:
> > > > > demand isn't constant. The coal stations are fired up when needed. Sat
> > > > > afternoon is hardly a peak time.
> > > >
> > > > Aren't they also fired up when not needed? It's not like they can be
> > > > turned off and everyone can go home.
> > > Yes, it's called spinning reserve, and is something greenies would
> > > rather not talk about.
> >
> > Why would your stereotypical compartmentalised “greenies” not want to
> > talk about a spinning reserve?
>
> Because spinning reserve means conventional fossil-fuel power stations
> that have to be kept running, even if not actually required, in order to
> compensate for the vagaries, inherent unreliability and inconsistency of
> 'renewable' sources of energy, particularly wind and solar power. They
> can't just be turned off and on within seconds, so have to be kept
> running all the time, very wastefully.
You really are weird.
>
>
> Greenies would like it all to be very simple. Put up a windmill and
> away you go. But it isn't like that in practice.
>
> > Everyone knows that you can’t just shut down a coal fired power station
> > like you can a car.
> >
> > You really are living in a cloud cuckoo land world of you vs looney
> > lefties.I
> > can’t help it if you can’t see that you need to refer yourself to a
> > shrink.
>
> You really don't want to talk about this sensibly, do you?
Brian Reay
Apr 28, 2019, 4:31:51 AM4/28/19
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it shows a remarkable lack of understanding of the issues.
Keema's Nan
Apr 28, 2019, 4:37:22 AM4/28/19
to
On 28 Apr 2019, Norman Wells wrote
(in article <gil5sd...@mid.individual.net>):
> On 28/04/2019 08:55, Keema's Nan wrote:
> > On 28 Apr 2019, Col wrote
> > (in article <giktf8...@mid.individual.net>):
> > > On 27/04/2019 14:02, Brian Reay wrote:
>
> > > > The infrastructure is years away. We looked at the Tesla 4x4, totally
> > > > impractical for long journeys and they have the best charging
> > > > infrastructure. Oh, in theory you stop and have a coffee while the
> > > > topping up the charge, but in practice so is every one else and the
> > > > charge point is in use, there is a queue, it is broken, .......
> > > It may seem like something of a 'Catch-22' situation, people won't buy
> > > electric cars because there aren't enough charging points, but there
> > > won't be investment in charging points because there aren't enough
> > > electric cars...
> >
> > You seem to have omitted to read up on the latest wireless inductive
> > charging
> > technology (a similar version to how you charge your toothbrush).
> >
> > Charging pads can be installed in the road surface and are activated by the
> > ‘receiver’ on the underside of an electric car.
> >
> > The green revolution is coming, even if certain petrol headed luddites will
> > try and do everything in their power to deny the fact.
>
> Can you tell me please where there are any such pads in the UK, or when
> they might arrive?
Are you too lazy to look it up for yourself?
>
>
> Will they be installed along the whole length of the M1, say, so that
> cars charge up automatically as they go,
That is a slight exaggeration, but yes; plans have been discussed for
induction coils to be installed on lengths of road surfaces.
> or will they just be in what we
> currently call 'charging points'? If the former, how much is that going
> to cost, how will they be powered, and how will they be maintained? If
> the latter, what the hell's the point?
Why don’t you look these things up for yourself? You might actually get an
education by doing so.
(in article <gil5sd...@mid.individual.net>):
> On 28/04/2019 08:55, Keema's Nan wrote:
> > On 28 Apr 2019, Col wrote
> > (in article <giktf8...@mid.individual.net>):
> > > On 27/04/2019 14:02, Brian Reay wrote:
>
> > > > The infrastructure is years away. We looked at the Tesla 4x4, totally
> > > > impractical for long journeys and they have the best charging
> > > > infrastructure. Oh, in theory you stop and have a coffee while the
> > > > topping up the charge, but in practice so is every one else and the
> > > > charge point is in use, there is a queue, it is broken, .......
> > > It may seem like something of a 'Catch-22' situation, people won't buy
> > > electric cars because there aren't enough charging points, but there
> > > won't be investment in charging points because there aren't enough
> > > electric cars...
> >
> > You seem to have omitted to read up on the latest wireless inductive
> > charging
> > technology (a similar version to how you charge your toothbrush).
> >
> > Charging pads can be installed in the road surface and are activated by the
> > ‘receiver’ on the underside of an electric car.
> >
> > The green revolution is coming, even if certain petrol headed luddites will
> > try and do everything in their power to deny the fact.
>
> Can you tell me please where there are any such pads in the UK, or when
> they might arrive?
>
>
> Will they be installed along the whole length of the M1, say, so that
> cars charge up automatically as they go,
induction coils to be installed on lengths of road surfaces.
> or will they just be in what we
> currently call 'charging points'? If the former, how much is that going
> to cost, how will they be powered, and how will they be maintained? If
> the latter, what the hell's the point?
education by doing so.
Brian Reay
Apr 28, 2019, 4:50:33 AM4/28/19
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>> or will they just be in what we
>> currently call 'charging points'? If the former, how much is that going
>> to cost, how will they be powered, and how will they be maintained? If
>> the latter, what the hell's the point?
>
> Why don’t you look these things up for yourself? You might actually get an
> education by doing so.
>
>
Keema's Nan
Apr 28, 2019, 4:53:13 AM4/28/19
to
On 28 Apr 2019, Norman Wells wrote
(in article <gil5tn...@mid.individual.net>):
wevc-and-how-does-it-work-/
Erik the Pink
Apr 28, 2019, 5:10:24 AM4/28/19
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Brian Reay wrote:
> Plus, the CO2 numbers for
> wind turbines are not good over their total life time.
>
Do you have a cite for that?
> Plus, the CO2 numbers for
> wind turbines are not good over their total life time.
>
It is hard to imagine how it could be true and the first figure I see gives wind energy lifetime CO2 emissions as 1/50 of that for natural gas, 1/00 that for coal.
Norman Wells
Apr 28, 2019, 5:19:13 AM4/28/19
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>> Will they be installed along the whole length of the M1, say, so that
>> cars charge up automatically as they go,
>
> That is a slight exaggeration, but yes; plans have been discussed for
> induction coils to be installed on lengths of road surfaces.
cost, and the utter impracticality of charging on the move?
Did you ever study any physics?
>> or will they just be in what we
>> currently call 'charging points'? If the former, how much is that going
>> to cost, how will they be powered, and how will they be maintained? If
>> the latter, what the hell's the point?
>
> Why don’t you look these things up for yourself? You might actually get an
> education by doing so.
Norman Wells
Apr 28, 2019, 5:22:44 AM4/28/19
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just as well have a charging point with a plug.
Brian Reay
Apr 28, 2019, 5:30:40 AM4/28/19
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I suppose his crack pot idea would save the cost of gritting the roads,
they'd be lovely and warm.
The Todal
Apr 28, 2019, 6:53:24 AM4/28/19
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building of any new runways? And having regulations that strictly limit
the number of take-offs and landings per day?
You'd be controlling pollution. But we often hear that Heathrow and/or
Gatwick need to expand to keep up with demand and to ensure that the UK
remains a prosperous hub for air travel. So it has to involve treaties
with other neighbouring countries which limit their flying in the same way.
Brian Reay
Apr 28, 2019, 7:15:27 AM4/28/19
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Keema's Nan
Apr 28, 2019, 7:18:22 AM4/28/19
to
On 28 Apr 2019, Norman Wells wrote
(in article <gil9n3...@mid.individual.net>):
very expensive mistake.
https://www.theverge.com/2019/3/21/18276541/norway-oslo-wireless-charging-
electric-taxis-car-zero-emissions-induction
Brian Reay
Apr 28, 2019, 7:29:10 AM4/28/19
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Keema's Nan
Apr 28, 2019, 7:52:05 AM4/28/19
to
On 28 Apr 2019, Norman Wells wrote
(in article <gil9gg...@mid.individual.net>):
Norman Wells
Apr 28, 2019, 10:33:44 AM4/28/19
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and a receiver is installed in the taxi."
Did you notice the word 'parked' there? It means 'in one spot', as I said.
Keema's Nan
Apr 28, 2019, 10:46:32 AM4/28/19
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On 28 Apr 2019, Norman Wells wrote
(in article <gilru6...@mid.individual.net>):
stupid.
Imagine a taxi rank, where every time the leading vehicle gets a fare paying
passenger all the taxis in the queue have to unplug their chargers, move up
one position and plug them in the next one.
Priceless....
JNugent
Apr 28, 2019, 10:50:58 AM4/28/19
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On 28/04/2019 06:53, Col wrote:
> On 27/04/2019 14:02, Brian Reay wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> The infrastructure is years away. We looked at the Tesla 4x4, totally
>> impractical for long journeys and they have the best charging
>> infrastructure. Oh, in theory you stop and have a coffee while the
>> topping up the charge, but in practice so is every one else and the
>> charge point is in use, there is a queue, it is broken, .......
>>
> It may seem like something of a 'Catch-22' situation, people won't buy
> electric cars because there aren't enough charging points, but there
> won't be investment in charging points because there aren't enough
> electric cars...
>
> On 27/04/2019 14:02, Brian Reay wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> The infrastructure is years away. We looked at the Tesla 4x4, totally
>> impractical for long journeys and they have the best charging
>> infrastructure. Oh, in theory you stop and have a coffee while the
>> topping up the charge, but in practice so is every one else and the
>> charge point is in use, there is a queue, it is broken, .......
>>
> It may seem like something of a 'Catch-22' situation, people won't buy
> electric cars because there aren't enough charging points, but there
> won't be investment in charging points because there aren't enough
> electric cars...
>
> That said, I think we can draw a parallel with the growth in private
> motoring in the 20s & 30s. The number of petrol stations grew as car
> ownership rose. I don't think anybody was ever put off buying a car
> because they were worried about not being able to fill up.
It was also possible, and perhaps even wise, to carry a few gallons in
> motoring in the 20s & 30s. The number of petrol stations grew as car
> ownership rose. I don't think anybody was ever put off buying a car
> because they were worried about not being able to fill up.
cans in the boot.
Joe
Apr 28, 2019, 10:51:25 AM4/28/19
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On Sun, 28 Apr 2019 15:46:32 +0100
Keema's Nan <fruity...@bungay.com> wrote:
> On 28 Apr 2019, Norman Wells wrote
> (in article <gilru6...@mid.individual.net>):
Keema's Nan <fruity...@bungay.com> wrote:
> On 28 Apr 2019, Norman Wells wrote
> >
> > Seems to me you might just as well have a charging point with a
> > plug.
>
> I genuinely think you believe your last sentence, because you are
> that stupid.
>
> Imagine a taxi rank, where every time the leading vehicle gets a fare
> paying passenger all the taxis in the queue have to unplug their
> chargers, move up one position and plug them in the next one.
--
Joe
Ian Jackson
Apr 28, 2019, 11:01:29 AM4/28/19
to
In message <0001HW.2275F44800...@news.giganews.com>,
Keema's Nan <fruity...@bungay.com> writes
Dare I suggest that a 'herring-bone' layout for the taxi rank would
overcome this problem? The vehicles would not have to move at all until
they were fully (or adequately) charged.
--
Ian
Keema's Nan <fruity...@bungay.com> writes
>On 28 Apr 2019, Norman Wells wrote
>(in article <gilru6...@mid.individual.net>):
>
>> On 28/04/2019 12:18, Keema's Nan wrote:
>> > On 28 Apr 2019, Norman Wells wrote
>> > (in article <gil9n3...@mid.individual.net>):
>> >
>> > > On 28/04/2019 09:53, Keema's Nan wrote:
>> > > > On 28 Apr 2019, Norman Wells wrote
>> > > > (in article <gil5tn...@mid.individual.net>):
>> > > >
>> > > > > On 28/04/2019 09:06, Col wrote:
>> > > > > > On 28/04/2019 08:55, Keema's Nan wrote:
>> > > > > > > On 28 Apr 2019, Col wrote
>> > > > > > > (in article <giktf8...@mid.individual.net>):
>> > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > On 27/04/2019 14:02, Brian Reay wrote:
>> > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > The infrastructure is years away. We looked at the
>> > > > > > > > >Tesla 4x4, totally
>> > > > > > > > > impractical for long journeys and they have the best charging
>> > > > > > > > > infrastructure. Oh, in theory you stop and have a
>> > > > > > > > >
>(in article <gilru6...@mid.individual.net>):
>
>> On 28/04/2019 12:18, Keema's Nan wrote:
>> > On 28 Apr 2019, Norman Wells wrote
>> > (in article <gil9n3...@mid.individual.net>):
>> >
>> > > On 28/04/2019 09:53, Keema's Nan wrote:
>> > > > On 28 Apr 2019, Norman Wells wrote
>> > > > (in article <gil5tn...@mid.individual.net>):
>> > > >
>> > > > > On 28/04/2019 09:06, Col wrote:
>> > > > > > On 28/04/2019 08:55, Keema's Nan wrote:
>> > > > > > > On 28 Apr 2019, Col wrote
>> > > > > > > (in article <giktf8...@mid.individual.net>):
>> > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > On 27/04/2019 14:02, Brian Reay wrote:
>> > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > The infrastructure is years away. We looked at the
>> > > > > > > > >Tesla 4x4, totally
>> > > > > > > > > impractical for long journeys and they have the best charging
>> > > > > > > > > infrastructure. Oh, in theory you stop and have a
>> > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > topping up the charge, but in practice so is every
>> > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > charge point is in use, there is a queue, it is
>> > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > It may seem like something of a 'Catch-22' situation,
>> > > > > > > >people won't buy
>> > > > > > > > electric cars because there aren't enough charging
>> > > > > > > >points, but there
>> > > > > > > > won't be investment in charging points because there
>> > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > >people won't buy
>> > > > > > > > electric cars because there aren't enough charging
>> > > > > > > >points, but there
>> > > > > > > > won't be investment in charging points because there
>> > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > electric cars...
>> > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > You seem to have omitted to read up on the latest
>> > > > > > >wireless inductive
>> > > > > > > charging
>> > > > > > > technology (a similar version to how you charge your toothbrush).
>> > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > Charging pads can be installed in the road surface and
>> > > > > > >
>> > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > You seem to have omitted to read up on the latest
>> > > > > > >wireless inductive
>> > > > > > > charging
>> > > > > > > technology (a similar version to how you charge your toothbrush).
>> > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > Charging pads can be installed in the road surface and
>> > > > > > >
overcome this problem? The vehicles would not have to move at all until
they were fully (or adequately) charged.
--
Ian
Keema's Nan
Apr 28, 2019, 11:10:51 AM4/28/19
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Norman Wells
Apr 28, 2019, 11:11:23 AM4/28/19
to
abelard
Apr 28, 2019, 11:13:51 AM4/28/19
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On Sun, 28 Apr 2019 16:10:50 +0100, Keema's Nan
--
www.abelard.org
<fruity...@bungay.com> wrote:
>On 28 Apr 2019, Joe wrote
>(in article<20190428155...@jresid.jretrading.com>):
>
>> On Sun, 28 Apr 2019 15:46:32 +0100
>> Keema's Nan <fruity...@bungay.com> wrote:
>>
>> > On 28 Apr 2019, Norman Wells wrote
>> > (in article<gilru6...@mid.individual.net>):
>>
>> > >
>> > > Seems to me you might just as well have a charging point with a
>> > > plug.
>> >
>> > I genuinely think you believe your last sentence, because you are
>> > that stupid.
>> >
>> > Imagine a taxi rank, where every time the leading vehicle gets a fare
>> > paying passenger all the taxis in the queue have to unplug their
>> > chargers, move up one position and plug them in the next one.
>>
>> So this electricity is free, then...?
>
>Why should it be?
because it becomes politically desirable in some conditions
>On 28 Apr 2019, Joe wrote
>(in article<20190428155...@jresid.jretrading.com>):
>
>> On Sun, 28 Apr 2019 15:46:32 +0100
>> Keema's Nan <fruity...@bungay.com> wrote:
>>
>> > On 28 Apr 2019, Norman Wells wrote
>> > (in article<gilru6...@mid.individual.net>):
>>
>> > >
>> > > Seems to me you might just as well have a charging point with a
>> > > plug.
>> >
>> > I genuinely think you believe your last sentence, because you are
>> > that stupid.
>> >
>> > Imagine a taxi rank, where every time the leading vehicle gets a fare
>> > paying passenger all the taxis in the queue have to unplug their
>> > chargers, move up one position and plug them in the next one.
>>
>> So this electricity is free, then...?
>
>Why should it be?
--
www.abelard.org
Keema's Nan
Apr 28, 2019, 11:14:34 AM4/28/19
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On 28 Apr 2019, Ian Jackson wrote
(in article <8E7cN6N+...@brattleho.plus.com>):
You can ‘suggest' what you like but, unless you suggest it to the
Norwegians and get them to change their plans, it is not really worth
bothering.
(in article <8E7cN6N+...@brattleho.plus.com>):
Norwegians and get them to change their plans, it is not really worth
bothering.
Norman Wells
Apr 28, 2019, 11:15:57 AM4/28/19
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Norman Wells
Apr 28, 2019, 11:19:03 AM4/28/19
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going to bring you?
JNugent
Apr 28, 2019, 11:30:39 AM4/28/19
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spread of petrol stations in the early days of automobile traffic and
the current spread of available charging capacity for electric vehicles.
Keema's Nan
Apr 28, 2019, 11:31:52 AM4/28/19
to
On 28 Apr 2019, Norman Wells wrote
(in article <giluj6...@mid.individual.net>):
(Especially on a Sunday afternoon).
abelard
Apr 28, 2019, 12:17:02 PM4/28/19
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>In your case - advice on how to give up the alcohol.
>
>(Especially on a Sunday afternoon).
>
www.abelard.org
Ian Jackson
Apr 28, 2019, 12:49:37 PM4/28/19
to
In message <0001HW.2275FAD900...@news.giganews.com>,
I'm struggling to understand in what way you think that you're response
to my suggestion makes any useful contribution to this discussion!
--
Ian
Keema's Nan <fruity...@bungay.com> writes
>On 28 Apr 2019, Ian Jackson wrote
>(in article <8E7cN6N+...@brattleho.plus.com>):
>
>> In message<0001HW.2275F44800...@news.giganews.com>,
>> Keema's Nan <fruity...@bungay.com> writes
>> > On 28 Apr 2019, Norman Wells wrote
>> > (in article <gilru6...@mid.individual.net>):
>> >
>> > > On 28/04/2019 12:18, Keema's Nan wrote:
>> > > > On 28 Apr 2019, Norman Wells wrote
>> > > > (in article <gil9n3...@mid.individual.net>):
>> > > >
>> > > > > On 28/04/2019 09:53, Keema's Nan wrote:
>> > > > > > On 28 Apr 2019, Norman Wells wrote
>> > > > > > (in article <gil5tn...@mid.individual.net>):
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > > On 28/04/2019 09:06, Col wrote:
>> > > > > > > > On 28/04/2019 08:55, Keema's Nan wrote:
>> > > > > > > > > On 28 Apr 2019, Col wrote
>> > > > > > > > > (in article <giktf8...@mid.individual.net>):
>> > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > > On 27/04/2019 14:02, Brian Reay wrote:
>> > > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > > > The infrastructure is years away. We looked at the
>> > > > > > > > > > > Tesla 4x4, totally
>> > > > > > > > > > > impractical for long journeys and they have the
>> > > > > > > > > > >
>On 28 Apr 2019, Ian Jackson wrote
>(in article <8E7cN6N+...@brattleho.plus.com>):
>
>> In message<0001HW.2275F44800...@news.giganews.com>,
>> Keema's Nan <fruity...@bungay.com> writes
>> > On 28 Apr 2019, Norman Wells wrote
>> > (in article <gilru6...@mid.individual.net>):
>> >
>> > > On 28/04/2019 12:18, Keema's Nan wrote:
>> > > > On 28 Apr 2019, Norman Wells wrote
>> > > > (in article <gil9n3...@mid.individual.net>):
>> > > >
>> > > > > On 28/04/2019 09:53, Keema's Nan wrote:
>> > > > > > On 28 Apr 2019, Norman Wells wrote
>> > > > > > (in article <gil5tn...@mid.individual.net>):
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > > On 28/04/2019 09:06, Col wrote:
>> > > > > > > > On 28/04/2019 08:55, Keema's Nan wrote:
>> > > > > > > > > On 28 Apr 2019, Col wrote
>> > > > > > > > > (in article <giktf8...@mid.individual.net>):
>> > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > > On 27/04/2019 14:02, Brian Reay wrote:
>> > > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > > > The infrastructure is years away. We looked at the
>> > > > > > > > > > > Tesla 4x4, totally
>> > > > > > > > > > > impractical for long journeys and they have the
>> > > > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > > > infrastructure. Oh, in theory you stop and have a
>> > > > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > > > topping up the charge, but in practice so is every
>> > > > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > > > charge point is in use, there is a queue, it is
>> > > > > > > > > > It may seem like something of a 'Catch-22' situation,
>> > > > > > > > > > people won't buy
>> > > > > > > > > > electric cars because there aren't enough charging
>> > > > > > > > > > points, but there
>> > > > > > > > > > won't be investment in charging points because there
>> > > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > > electric cars...
>> > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > You seem to have omitted to read up on the latest
>> > > > > > > > > wireless inductive
>> > > > > > > > > charging
>> > > > > > > > > technology (a similar version to how you charge your
>> > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > > > topping up the charge, but in practice so is every
>> > > > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > > > charge point is in use, there is a queue, it is
>> > > > > > > > > > It may seem like something of a 'Catch-22' situation,
>> > > > > > > > > > people won't buy
>> > > > > > > > > > electric cars because there aren't enough charging
>> > > > > > > > > > points, but there
>> > > > > > > > > > won't be investment in charging points because there
>> > > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > > electric cars...
>> > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > You seem to have omitted to read up on the latest
>> > > > > > > > > wireless inductive
>> > > > > > > > > charging
>> > > > > > > > > technology (a similar version to how you charge your
>> > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > >
to my suggestion makes any useful contribution to this discussion!
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Jim GM4DHJ ...
Apr 28, 2019, 1:23:21 PM4/28/19
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On 27/04/2019 13:03, Stephen Thomas Cole wrote:
>>> Electric cars, certainly. The technology is pretty much already there for
>>> that to happen now. I'm not so sure that electric jumbo jets are coming
>>> along shortly.
>>>
>> bound to be ....
>
> Fingers crossed, eh?
>
lots of things have happened due to new technology......
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> Jim GM4DHJ ... <kinvig...@ntlworld.com> wrote:
>>
>> "Stephen Thomas Cole" <use...@stephenthomascole.com> wrote in message
>> news:725601464.578059059.592041....@news.individual.net...
>>
>> "Stephen Thomas Cole" <use...@stephenthomascole.com> wrote in message
>>> that to happen now. I'm not so sure that electric jumbo jets are coming
>>> along shortly.
>>>
>> bound to be ....
>
> Fingers crossed, eh?
>
lots of things have happened due to new technology......
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Jim GM4DHJ ...
Apr 28, 2019, 1:24:10 PM4/28/19
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On 27/04/2019 14:02, Brian Reay wrote:
> On 27/04/2019 13:59, Stephen Thomas Cole wrote:
>> Jim GM4DHJ ... <kinvig...@ntlworld.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> "Stephen Thomas Cole" <use...@stephenthomascole.com> wrote in message
>> Jim GM4DHJ ... <kinvig...@ntlworld.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> "Stephen Thomas Cole" <use...@stephenthomascole.com> wrote in message
> The infrastructure is years away. We looked at the Tesla 4x4, totally
> impractical for long journeys and they have the best charging
> infrastructure. Oh, in theory you stop and have a coffee while the
> topping up the charge, but in practice so is every one else and the
> charge point is in use, there is a queue, it is broken, .......
>
> Not everyone can charge at home- those of us with drives and/or garages
> are fine but those who don't are stuck.
>
> Then their is the 'minor' issue of the demand on the grid. Plus, of
> course, the power generation - thanks to previous tree huggers we don't
> have nuclear power. The previous tree huggers convinced the Gov, and I
> kid you not, to continue to burn fossil fuel, especially coal, rather
> than invest in nuclear power.
>
lots of people live in flats and run leafs off public chargers no
problem .....
Incubus
Apr 29, 2019, 7:27:31 AM4/29/19
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On 2019-04-27, abelard <abel...@abelard.org> wrote:
> On 27 Apr 2019 07:14:10 GMT, Stephen Thomas Cole
><use...@stephenthomascole.com> wrote:
>
>>EU Citizen Brian Reay <no...@m.com> wrote:
>
>>> When you’ve disposed of your car, and all electrical appliances, heating
>>> etc, you can tell the rest of us what to do. Until then, anything you say
>>> is total hypocrisy.
>>> enough to believe in man made global warming.
>>>
>>> As for ‘everything kicking off’ , you are just hoping ‘someone ‘ is going
>>> to come along and hand you all the things you are too idle to work for.
>>> Those things you’d have to give up to please young Greta.
>>>
>>
>>I’d never anticipate in a million years for you to ever talk any kind of
>>rational sense on issues relating to climate change, Brian, and you haven’t
>>upset my expectations here.
>
> why on earth does anyone care how old she is?
>
> either she is talking sense or she is not...
Because 16 year old truants don't normally get to demand meetings with heads of
state.
> On 27 Apr 2019 07:14:10 GMT, Stephen Thomas Cole
><use...@stephenthomascole.com> wrote:
>
>>EU Citizen Brian Reay <no...@m.com> wrote:
>
>>> When you’ve disposed of your car, and all electrical appliances, heating
>>> etc, you can tell the rest of us what to do. Until then, anything you say
>>> is total hypocrisy.
>
>>Interestingly, the broad climate science consensus is that the only
>>meaningful steps an individual can take to contribute to reducing climate
>>change is 1) to switch to a plant-based diet and 2) to not use commercial
>>flight. I haven’t eaten meat in about 8 years and I haven’t flown in 7
>>years, so I’m well on my way to actually making a difference.
>>
>>> And no, you can’t redirect that comment because not everyone is stupid
>>Interestingly, the broad climate science consensus is that the only
>>meaningful steps an individual can take to contribute to reducing climate
>>change is 1) to switch to a plant-based diet and 2) to not use commercial
>>flight. I haven’t eaten meat in about 8 years and I haven’t flown in 7
>>years, so I’m well on my way to actually making a difference.
>>
>>> enough to believe in man made global warming.
>>>
>>> As for ‘everything kicking off’ , you are just hoping ‘someone ‘ is going
>>> to come along and hand you all the things you are too idle to work for.
>>> Those things you’d have to give up to please young Greta.
>>>
>>
>>I’d never anticipate in a million years for you to ever talk any kind of
>>rational sense on issues relating to climate change, Brian, and you haven’t
>>upset my expectations here.
>
> why on earth does anyone care how old she is?
>
> either she is talking sense or she is not...
Because 16 year old truants don't normally get to demand meetings with heads of
state.
Incubus
Apr 29, 2019, 7:47:43 AM4/29/19
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electricity as it is driven. It relies upon using a metal track in the ground
or an overhead cable. The only downside is that the car can only go where the
track or the cable allows it to but I cam confident that it will catch on.
Jim GM4DHJ ...
Apr 29, 2019, 7:58:45 AM4/29/19
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Keema's Nan
Apr 29, 2019, 8:43:22 AM4/29/19
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On 29 Apr 2019, Incubus wrote
(in article <qa6o8s$sm0$4...@dont-email.me>):
I always knew that the Beeching railway cuts of the 1960s were very short
sighted.
And don’t get me started on the ripping out of trolleybus cables.
(in article <qa6o8s$sm0$4...@dont-email.me>):
sighted.
And don’t get me started on the ripping out of trolleybus cables.
Incubus
Apr 29, 2019, 9:16:10 AM4/29/19
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On 2019-04-28, Norman Wells <h...@unseen.ac.am> wrote:
low - say, around 10 percent of the maximum charge. That way, it can never run
out completely.
Norman Wells
Apr 29, 2019, 9:20:14 AM4/29/19
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saying?
How does that help, or indeed answer the question?
Keema's Nan
Apr 29, 2019, 9:28:02 AM4/29/19
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On 29 Apr 2019, Incubus wrote
(in article <qa6teq$rc$1...@dont-email.me>):
century.
There are a number of maps showing charging stations, and apps which will you
tell you everything about them, if you input your vehicle’s make and model.
https://www.zap-map.com/live/
There are not many chargers in certain rural areas, but I’m sure EV driver
will know this already and plan for that.
Incubus
Apr 29, 2019, 9:30:03 AM4/29/19
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supermarkets.
I am thinking of calling it the Transport Rail Automotive Infrastructure
Network.
Incubus
Apr 29, 2019, 9:31:52 AM4/29/19
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such that you will never run out of charge on the road. You didn't specify
anything else.
Keema's Nan
Apr 29, 2019, 9:36:33 AM4/29/19
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On 29 Apr 2019, Norman Wells wrote
(in article <gioc0d...@mid.individual.net>):
I am beginning to think this thread might be a clue as to why in the past
great British inventions have been lost to foreigners who developed the idea,
and then exported the finished product back to Britain at vast profit
margins.
It must be because right wing Tories are incapable not only of investing in
long term projects, but their default stance is to mock and ridicule any new
invention, such as EVs, wind generators and wave machines.
Their only thoughts of validinvestments are to those ideas which will return
a 50% profit in 6 months.
No wonder all the best British ideas have been produced by overseas companies
in the last 50 years; companies which had the foresight to see long term and
just not ‘get rich quick’.
(in article <gioc0d...@mid.individual.net>):
great British inventions have been lost to foreigners who developed the idea,
and then exported the finished product back to Britain at vast profit
margins.
It must be because right wing Tories are incapable not only of investing in
long term projects, but their default stance is to mock and ridicule any new
invention, such as EVs, wind generators and wave machines.
Their only thoughts of validinvestments are to those ideas which will return
a 50% profit in 6 months.
No wonder all the best British ideas have been produced by overseas companies
in the last 50 years; companies which had the foresight to see long term and
just not ‘get rich quick’.
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