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Jeff Gaines

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Jan 6, 2016, 12:17:08 PM1/6/16
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This, probably deceased, lady is in the news at the moment.

The pronunciation of 'Sian' is 'shorn' isn't it?

The BBC has a variety of pronunciations including 'Cyan' and 'See-ann'.

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Zephirum

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Jan 6, 2016, 12:33:58 PM1/6/16
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"Jeff Gaines" <jgaines...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
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>
> This, probably deceased, lady is in the news at the moment.
>
> The pronunciation of 'Sian' is 'shorn' isn't it?
>
> The BBC has a variety of pronunciations including 'Cyan' and 'See-ann'.
>
My sister is Sian and we say shaan

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Pete C

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Jan 6, 2016, 12:36:25 PM1/6/16
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That was how I thought it should be pronounced when I saw the news last
night

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Peter Hawkins

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Jan 6, 2016, 12:39:48 PM1/6/16
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On 06/01/2016 17:17, Jeff Gaines wrote:
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> This, probably deceased, lady is in the news at the moment.
>
> The pronunciation of 'Sian' is 'shorn' isn't it?
>
> The BBC has a variety of pronunciations including 'Cyan' and 'See-ann'.
>

I saw a news report which said that her stage name was Syan, with the i
replaced by a y.
I don't know why she would have bothered to change her name like that,
unless it was something to do with Equity.

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kat

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Jan 6, 2016, 12:41:47 PM1/6/16
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On 06/01/2016 17:36, Pete C wrote:
> On 06/01/2016 17:33, Zephirum wrote:
>> "Jeff Gaines" <jgaines...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
>> news:xn0k0owf4...@news.individual.net...
>>>
>>> This, probably deceased, lady is in the news at the moment.
>>>
>>> The pronunciation of 'Sian' is 'shorn' isn't it?
>>>
>>> The BBC has a variety of pronunciations including 'Cyan' and 'See-ann'.
>>>
>> My sister is Sian and we say shaan
>>
> That was how I thought it should be pronounced when I saw the news last
> night
>

I would hope they pronounce it the way the person whose name it is
pronounces it, which may be any of those. But if I read it, I would
assume Shaan.

I assumed Elena was pronounced Elayna ( that having been the only way I
had heard it ) until my grand daughter was born, and she was called
El-en-a, which I have since heard elsewhere along with Eh-len-a.

Funny things names.

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Michaelangelo

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Jan 6, 2016, 12:46:34 PM1/6/16
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Jeff Gaines leapt into action and said:
> This, probably deceased, lady is in the news at the moment.
>
> The pronunciation of 'Sian' is 'shorn' isn't it?
>
> The BBC has a variety of pronunciations including 'Cyan' and 'See-ann'.

If it's of Welsh, Gaelic or Irish origin it should be shahn (or shaan,
if you prefer) but in that case it should also be spelt 'Siân'. Maybe
Sian (without the circumflex) is of a different origin in which case
the pronunciation may be different

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Indy Jess John

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Jan 6, 2016, 5:52:42 PM1/6/16
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It could be something to do with Equity. Every performer's name has to
be unique. That is why David Walliams changed an I to an A.

Jim

Indy Jess John

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Jan 6, 2016, 5:53:10 PM1/6/16
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On 06/01/2016 17:17, Jeff Gaines wrote:
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> This, probably deceased, lady is in the news at the moment.
>
> The pronunciation of 'Sian' is 'shorn' isn't it?
>
> The BBC has a variety of pronunciations including 'Cyan' and 'See-ann'.
>
I have always pronounced it Sharn

Jim

MCC

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Jan 6, 2016, 6:45:01 PM1/6/16
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Rather unfortunate, Jim. Sharn in Orkney dialect means cow dung but only
used of cow dung, sticking to something e.g. a shovel or trousers.
Sharny dubs are a mixture of dung and mud usually left on the road after a
tractor has gone past :-)
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Zephirum

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Jan 7, 2016, 12:50:47 AM1/7/16
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"Michaelangelo" <umustb...@lineone.net.invalid> wrote in message
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> Jeff Gaines leapt into action and said:
>> This, probably deceased, lady is in the news at the moment.
>>
>> The pronunciation of 'Sian' is 'shorn' isn't it?
>>
>> The BBC has a variety of pronunciations including 'Cyan' and 'See-ann'.
>
> If it's of Welsh, Gaelic or Irish origin it should be shahn (or shaan, if
> you prefer) but in that case it should also be spelt 'Siân'. Maybe Sian
> (without the circumflex) is of a different origin in which case the
> pronunciation may be different
>
My sister does indeed have a circumflex as we are of Welsh origin, I just
couldn't remember how to get it on this keyboad. á all I can easily find.

Jeff Gaines

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Jan 7, 2016, 3:34:04 AM1/7/16
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On 06/01/2016 in message <nRgjy.941158$qj6.7...@fx44.am4> Indy Jess John
wrote:

>I have always pronounced it Sharn

Yes, and that's what I would have said if I hadn't mistyped it as 'shorn'!!!

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Michaelangelo

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Jan 7, 2016, 4:37:18 AM1/7/16
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Zephirum leapt into action and said:

> My sister does indeed have a circumflex as we are of Welsh origin, I just
> couldn't remember how to get it on this keyboad. á all I can easily find.

Alt+0226 for â
Alt=1

Michaelangelo

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Jan 7, 2016, 4:40:18 AM1/7/16
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Michaelangelo leapt into action and said:
> Zephirum leapt into action and said:
>
>> My sister does indeed have a circumflex as we are of Welsh origin, I just
>> couldn't remember how to get it on this keyboad. á all I can easily find.
>
> Alt+0226 for â
> Alt=1

Oops! It's that phantom posting finger again, :)

Alt+0194 for Â

Hold doewn the Alt key while typing the numbers. The character will
appear when you release the keys. Also, the numbers must be typed on
the numberpad - not the numbers above the letters.

Michaelangelo

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Jan 7, 2016, 4:42:41 AM1/7/16
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Jeff Gaines leapt into action and said:
> On 06/01/2016 in message <nRgjy.941158$qj6.7...@fx44.am4> Indy Jess John
> wrote:
>
>>I have always pronounced it Sharn
>
> Yes, and that's what I would have said if I hadn't mistyped it as 'shorn'!!!

But not with a letter 'r'. That's a common English speech thing - like
'drawring'.

Gordon H

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Jan 7, 2016, 5:32:15 AM1/7/16
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Shawn..

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Who, Me?

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Jan 7, 2016, 5:34:24 AM1/7/16
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On Thu, 07 Jan 2016 10:32:14 +0000, Gordon H wrote:

> On 06/01/2016 22:48, Indy Jess John wrote:
>> On 06/01/2016 17:17, Jeff Gaines wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> The pronunciation of 'Sian' is 'shorn' isn't it?
>>>
>>> The BBC has a variety of pronunciations including 'Cyan' and
>>> 'See-ann'.
>>>
>> I have always pronounced it Sharn
>>
>>
> Shawn..

Connery



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Indy Jess John

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Jan 7, 2016, 5:46:01 AM1/7/16
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Noted for future use :-D

Jim

Jeff Gaines

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Jan 7, 2016, 5:56:00 AM1/7/16
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On 07/01/2016 in message <df6q8f...@mid.individual.net> Michaelangelo
wrote:

>Jeff Gaines leapt into action and said:
>>On 06/01/2016 in message <nRgjy.941158$qj6.7...@fx44.am4> Indy Jess John
>> wrote:
>>
>>>I have always pronounced it Sharn
>>
>>Yes, and that's what I would have said if I hadn't mistyped it as
>>'shorn'!!!
>
>But not with a letter 'r'. That's a common English speech thing - like
>'drawring'.

It's more a common illiterate thing I think.
The opposite makes me cringe as well. In 'rear end' normal English
pronunciation rolls the 'r' into 'end'. The illiterate approach now seems
to be to stop abruptly after 'rear' and then say 'end' which just sounds
wrong.

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Gordon H

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Jan 7, 2016, 7:51:35 AM1/7/16
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Good example.

Michaelangelo

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Jan 7, 2016, 12:14:44 PM1/7/16
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Jeff Gaines leapt into action and said:

> It's more a common illiterate thing I think.

I don't think it's to do with illiteracy per se. I think it's a
phenomenon that's linked to non-rhotic languages and dialects. You
won't hear it in Scotland, for instance, because Scots is a rhotic
language. There's a name for the insertion of the letter 'r' into
pronunciation ('drawring' or 'I sawr a police car go past' etc) but
it's a long time since I actively pursued linguistics and my ageing and
damaged brain refuses to remind me what the term is.

Jeff Gaines

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Jan 7, 2016, 12:20:41 PM1/7/16
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On 07/01/2016 in message <df7ko1...@mid.individual.net> Michaelangelo
wrote:

>Jeff Gaines leapt into action and said:
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>>It's more a common illiterate thing I think.
>
>I don't think it's to do with illiteracy per se. I think it's a phenomenon
>that's linked to non-rhotic languages and dialects. You won't hear it in
>Scotland, for instance, because Scots is a rhotic language. There's a name
>for the insertion of the letter 'r' into pronunciation ('drawring' or 'I
>sawr a police car go past' etc) but it's a long time since I actively
>pursued linguistics and my ageing and damaged brain refuses to remind me
>what the term is.

Perhaps it's education then? I didn't study linguistics but I do know how
to use my language properly.

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Who, Me?

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Jan 7, 2016, 12:48:35 PM1/7/16
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Except its 'Sean' the male equivalent not 'Sian' (with or without accent).

I always understood they were the Gaelic equivalents of Janet (Sian) and
John (Sean)

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Michaelangelo

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Jan 7, 2016, 12:52:39 PM1/7/16
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Jeff Gaines leapt into action and said:

> Perhaps it's education then? I didn't study linguistics but I do know how to
> use my language properly.

No, it's more of a cultural/dialectic thing. The Queen does it quite
often and I would hesitate to describe her as illiterate or uneducated.

Gordon H

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Jan 7, 2016, 1:39:47 PM1/7/16
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I stand corrected.
Our children learned to read with the aid of the Sean and Sian books. :-)

Who, Me?

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Jan 7, 2016, 2:14:46 PM1/7/16
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As did I ;)



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Pete C

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Jan 7, 2016, 2:28:46 PM1/7/16
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On 06/01/2016 17:17, Jeff Gaines wrote:
>
> This, probably deceased, lady is in the news at the moment.
>
> The pronunciation of 'Sian' is 'shorn' isn't it?
>
> The BBC has a variety of pronunciations including 'Cyan' and 'See-ann'.
>
As it happens, I've been to collect an item from a lady called Sian. She
told me it's pronounced Sharn/Shaan

Oliver

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Jan 7, 2016, 2:50:57 PM1/7/16
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On 07/01/2016 18:39, Gordon H wrote:
> I stand corrected.
> Our children learned to read with the aid of the Sean and Sian books. :-)

I think some parents should be more careful when choosing names for
their children.

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Zephirum

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Jan 8, 2016, 1:57:07 AM1/8/16
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"Michaelangelo" <umustb...@lineone.net.invalid> wrote in message
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> Zephirum leapt into action and said:
>
>> My sister does indeed have a circumflex as we are of Welsh origin, I just
>> couldn't remember how to get it on this keyboad. á all I can easily find.
>
> Alt+0226 for â
> Alt=1
>
Too many keys at the same time for me, If I need it badly I use character
map thanks,

Zephirum

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Jan 8, 2016, 1:57:07 AM1/8/16
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"Who, Me?" <nob...@nowhere.com> wrote in message
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> I always understood they were the Gaelic equivalents of Janet (Sian) and
> John (Sean)
>
Sian is Jane rather than Janet

Jeff Gaines

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Jan 8, 2016, 4:38:43 AM1/8/16
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On 07/01/2016 in message <df7mv6...@mid.individual.net> Michaelangelo
wrote:

>Jeff Gaines leapt into action and said:
>
>>Perhaps it's education then? I didn't study linguistics but I do know how
>>to use my language properly.
>
>No, it's more of a cultural/dialectic thing. The Queen does it quite often
>and I would hesitate to describe her as illiterate or uneducated.

I hope it's not treason but I can't listen to her because her voice is so
affected. I was thinking more of people who speak with a reasonably normal
accent.

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Who, Me?

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Jan 9, 2016, 6:57:03 AM1/9/16
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On Fri, 08 Jan 2016 06:56:12 +0000, Zephirum wrote:

> "Who, Me?" <nob...@nowhere.com> wrote in message
> news:RdednR-wXaFvORPL...@brightview.co.uk...
>> I always understood they were the Gaelic equivalents of Janet (Sian)
>> and John (Sean)
>>
> Sian is Jane rather than Janet

Thanks, and there was me thinking I understood Gaelic.



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