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Justin Thyme
Jun 20, 2015, 2:42:32 PM6/20/15
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I wonder if there are records of who served where in the NAAFI during
WWII. Naturally, it is records readable via the Internet that I am most
interested in.
--
Shall we only threaten and be angry for an hour?
When the storm is ended shall we find
How softly but how swiftly they have sidled back to power
By the favour and contrivance of their kind?
From /Mesopotamia/ by Rudyard Kipling
WWII. Naturally, it is records readable via the Internet that I am most
interested in.
--
Shall we only threaten and be angry for an hour?
When the storm is ended shall we find
How softly but how swiftly they have sidled back to power
By the favour and contrivance of their kind?
From /Mesopotamia/ by Rudyard Kipling
Tickettyboo
Jun 20, 2015, 5:16:12 PM6/20/15
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On 2015-06-20 18:42:29 +0000, Justin Thyme said:
> I wonder if there are records of who served where in the NAAFI during
> WWII. Naturally, it is records readable via the Internet that I am
> most interested in.
Don't know of any online but a search of the National Archives
> I wonder if there are records of who served where in the NAAFI during
> WWII. Naturally, it is records readable via the Internet that I am
> most interested in.
catalogue brought up the following:
http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/results/r?_q=naafi&_hb=tna&search=r
For the period 1925-1949 there are 135 results and only 3 of those have
been digitised and available for download (after payment)
I should imagine that for a time period that recent, many official
records ( personnel records, pensions etc), if they exist, would be
closed for 'at least' 75 years.
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Tickettyboo
Jun 20, 2015, 5:19:23 PM6/20/15
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If it is a particular person you are interested in researching, you
could try the contact address on their site to enquire what, if
anything, is available.
http://www.naafi.co.uk
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Tickettyboo
Michaelangelo
Jun 20, 2015, 5:32:10 PM6/20/15
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Justin Thyme leapt into action and said:
> I wonder if there are records of who served where in the NAAFI during WWII.
> Naturally, it is records readable via the Internet that I am most interested
> in.
NAAFI staff are civilians. I doubt if personnel records would/should be
> I wonder if there are records of who served where in the NAAFI during WWII.
> Naturally, it is records readable via the Internet that I am most interested
> in.
made publicly available.
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Michaelangelo
I cook with wine; sometimes I
even add it to the food
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Justin Thyme
Jun 20, 2015, 6:17:52 PM6/20/15
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Tickettyboo wrote:
> On 2015-06-20 18:42:29 +0000, Justin Thyme said:
>
>> I wonder if there are records of who served where in the NAAFI during
>> WWII. Naturally, it is records readable via the Internet that I am
>> most interested in.
>
> Don't know of any online but a search of the National Archives catalogue
> brought up the following:
> http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/results/r?_q=naafi&_hb=tna&search=r
Thank you.
> On 2015-06-20 18:42:29 +0000, Justin Thyme said:
>
>> I wonder if there are records of who served where in the NAAFI during
>> WWII. Naturally, it is records readable via the Internet that I am
>> most interested in.
>
> Don't know of any online but a search of the National Archives catalogue
> brought up the following:
> http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/results/r?_q=naafi&_hb=tna&search=r
>
>
> For the period 1925-1949 there are 135 results and only 3 of those have
> been digitised and available for download (after payment
Oh dear!
>
> For the period 1925-1949 there are 135 results and only 3 of those have
> been digitised and available for download (after payment
> )
>
> I should imagine that for a time period that recent, many official
> records ( personnel records, pensions etc), if they exist, would be
> closed for 'at least' 75 years.
>
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>
> I should imagine that for a time period that recent, many official
> records ( personnel records, pensions etc), if they exist, would be
> closed for 'at least' 75 years.
>
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Justin Thyme
Jun 20, 2015, 6:28:28 PM6/20/15
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Michaelangelo wrote:
> Justin Thyme leapt into action and said:
>> I wonder if there are records of who served where in the NAAFI during
>> WWII. Naturally, it is records readable via the Internet that I am
>> most interested in.
>
> NAAFI staff are civilians. I doubt if personnel records would/should be
> made publicly available.
That's a good point!
> Justin Thyme leapt into action and said:
>> I wonder if there are records of who served where in the NAAFI during
>> WWII. Naturally, it is records readable via the Internet that I am
>> most interested in.
>
> NAAFI staff are civilians. I doubt if personnel records would/should be
> made publicly available.
Justin Thyme
Jun 20, 2015, 6:36:05 PM6/20/15
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Justin Thyme wrote:
> Michaelangelo wrote:
>> Justin Thyme leapt into action and said:
>>> I wonder if there are records of who served where in the NAAFI during
>>> WWII. Naturally, it is records readable via the Internet that I am
>>> most interested in.
>>
>> NAAFI staff are civilians. I doubt if personnel records would/should be
>> made publicly available.
>
> That's a good point!
Though on reflection... You imply (or I infer) that their being
> Michaelangelo wrote:
>> Justin Thyme leapt into action and said:
>>> I wonder if there are records of who served where in the NAAFI during
>>> WWII. Naturally, it is records readable via the Internet that I am
>>> most interested in.
>>
>> NAAFI staff are civilians. I doubt if personnel records would/should be
>> made publicly available.
>
> That's a good point!
civilians means that personnel records would not be publicly available.
If they were military personnel that would be no reason for records to
be made publicly available, would it? I may have read into your reply
more than you wrote :-).
Tickettyboo
Jun 20, 2015, 10:15:43 PM6/20/15
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On 2015-06-20 21:31:57 +0000, Michaelangelo said:
> Justin Thyme leapt into action and said:
>> I wonder if there are records of who served where in the NAAFI during
>> WWII. Naturally, it is records readable via the Internet that I am
>> most interested in.
>
> NAAFI staff are civilians. I doubt if personnel records would/should be
> made publicly available.
Like Justin, I don't quite get the reference to them being civilians,
> Justin Thyme leapt into action and said:
>> I wonder if there are records of who served where in the NAAFI during
>> WWII. Naturally, it is records readable via the Internet that I am
>> most interested in.
>
> NAAFI staff are civilians. I doubt if personnel records would/should be
> made publicly available.
or why civilian records would be treated differently to non civilian
ones.
Its mainly down to time frame, whether civilian or non civilian, its
the time elapsed since the records were made, what kind of info they
contain and whether the people are likely to still be alive that are
usually the deciding factors about if and when they are made available
to the public - though often only at a charge, its rare for original
records to be completely freely available on the net. Whover digitises,
transcribes and hosts them will have invested time and money doing so
and will 'at least' want to cover those costs.
For instance, the church record of 'pre-nuptial enquiries' for my
marriage is in the archives, I (obviously) have the civil cert, but
wanted to see and have a copy of this church record.
I am not allowed to see it as its still in the 'closed to the public'
category. Daft, cos all that would be in it would be baptism dates and
places for both of us, maybe ditto for confirmations. If it was still
at the church I could go and ask to have a shuftie - and I bet my boots
the priest would say yes. But the records are now deposited in the
archives and rules is rules, not their fault - though I did moan at
them :-)
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Michaelangelo
Jun 21, 2015, 3:19:17 AM6/21/15
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Justin Thyme leapt into action and said:
> I may have read into your reply more than you wrote
> :-).
I think you may have. Traditionally, records of military personnel are
> I may have read into your reply more than you wrote
> :-).
publicly available - why, I don't know. Traditionally, work records of
people in civilian jobs are not.
Even getting your own work record from, say, National Insurance is a
major undertaking involving proof of your identity/entitlement to the
information.
Why military personnel records should be treated differently, without
the same degree of confidentiality, I do not know. I was merely
commenting on the situation as I understand it.
Tickettyboo
Jun 21, 2015, 6:30:33 AM6/21/15
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On 2015-06-21 07:19:16 +0000, Michaelangelo said:
> Justin Thyme leapt into action and said:
>> I may have read into your reply more than you wrote :-).
>
> I think you may have. Traditionally, records of military personnel are
> publicly available - why, I don't know. Traditionally, work records of
> people in civilian jobs are not.
Access is related to time elapsed for both scenarios - if the records
> Justin Thyme leapt into action and said:
>> I may have read into your reply more than you wrote :-).
>
> I think you may have. Traditionally, records of military personnel are
> publicly available - why, I don't know. Traditionally, work records of
> people in civilian jobs are not.
are still in existence.
>
> Even getting your own work record from, say, National Insurance is a
> major undertaking involving proof of your identity/entitlement to the
> information.
>
> Why military personnel records should be treated differently, without
> the same degree of confidentiality, I do not know. I was merely
> commenting on the situation as I understand it.
the service man/woman died under 25 years ago you'd need to be next of
kin/have permission from n.o.k. and provide proof of death for the
service man/woman. Its very involved and takes a long time (getting my
Dad's 1940's army record involved 3 forms, took a year and cost £30).
From what I can see the main difficulty getting access to civilian
company records is that they have been destroyed years ago.
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Michaelangelo
Jun 21, 2015, 6:33:02 AM6/21/15
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Tickettyboo leapt into action and said:
> From what I can see the main difficulty getting access to civilian company
> records is that they have been destroyed years ago.
Surely the other difficulty, if they still exist, is that they are
> From what I can see the main difficulty getting access to civilian company
> records is that they have been destroyed years ago.
confidential?
Tickettyboo
Jun 21, 2015, 7:17:14 AM6/21/15
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On 2015-06-21 10:32:59 +0000, Michaelangelo said:
> Tickettyboo leapt into action and said:
>
>> From what I can see the main difficulty getting access to civilian
>> company records is that they have been destroyed years ago.
>
> Surely the other difficulty, if they still exist, is that they are
> confidential?
Mostly depending on the age of them. Current stuff yes, stuff over
> Tickettyboo leapt into action and said:
>
>> From what I can see the main difficulty getting access to civilian
>> company records is that they have been destroyed years ago.
>
> Surely the other difficulty, if they still exist, is that they are
> confidential?
whatever time frame has been deemed suitable for the info contained
(75/100 years for instance) - 'may' be available if it exists.
Just as with military stuff.
Look in any archives catalogue and you can find 'some' company records.
The detail in them varies greatly. I have accessed (and copied)
employment registers from as recently as the 1940s. They don't say much
apart from a name , address,d.o.b, which dept they worked in, job
title, roll number, commencement and leaving dates, but they are of
great interest and use to me.
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Rabbit
Jun 21, 2015, 9:38:03 AM6/21/15
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recently I am interested in one of those. Unfortunately AFAIK the company
doesn't exist now though it was big in its day.
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People forget what you did, but
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> Look in any archives catalogue and you can find 'some' company records.
> The detail in them varies greatly. I have accessed (and copied) employment
> registers from as recently as the 1940s. They don't say much apart from a
> name , address,d.o.b, which dept they worked in, job title, roll number,
> commencement and leaving dates, but they are of great interest and use to
> me.
Gizza hint. Where do you find employment records. After a conversation
> The detail in them varies greatly. I have accessed (and copied) employment
> registers from as recently as the 1940s. They don't say much apart from a
> name , address,d.o.b, which dept they worked in, job title, roll number,
> commencement and leaving dates, but they are of great interest and use to
> me.
recently I am interested in one of those. Unfortunately AFAIK the company
doesn't exist now though it was big in its day.
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Sandra
People forget what you said.
People forget what you did, but
People will never forget how you made them feel
Michaelangelo
Jun 21, 2015, 1:43:23 PM6/21/15
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being released ever.
Tickettyboo
Jun 21, 2015, 2:41:04 PM6/21/15
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On 2015-06-21 17:43:19 +0000, Michaelangelo said:
> Tickettyboo leapt into action and said:
>
>> Look in any archives catalogue and you can find 'some' company records.
>> The detail in them varies greatly. I have accessed (and copied)
>> employment registers from as recently as the 1940s. They don't say much
>> apart from a name , address,d.o.b, which dept they worked in, job
>> title, roll number, commencement and leaving dates, but they are of
>> great interest and use to me.
>
> Hmm. This is nothing to do with genealogy. This stuff shouldn't be
> being released ever.
I disagree, atm I may not want access to my work history. Once I am
> Tickettyboo leapt into action and said:
>
>> Look in any archives catalogue and you can find 'some' company records.
>> The detail in them varies greatly. I have accessed (and copied)
>> employment registers from as recently as the 1940s. They don't say much
>> apart from a name , address,d.o.b, which dept they worked in, job
>> title, roll number, commencement and leaving dates, but they are of
>> great interest and use to me.
>
> Hmm. This is nothing to do with genealogy. This stuff shouldn't be
> being released ever.
dead I am dead and a damn I will not give :-)
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Tickettyboo
Jun 21, 2015, 2:43:40 PM6/21/15
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On 2015-06-21 13:34:33 +0000, Rabbit said:
> "Tickettyboo" <ticke...@mail2oops.com> wrote in message
> news:cunkpp...@mid.individual.net...
>> Look in any archives catalogue and you can find 'some' company records.
>> The detail in them varies greatly. I have accessed (and copied)
>> employment registers from as recently as the 1940s. They don't say much
>> apart from a name , address,d.o.b, which dept they worked in, job
>> title, roll number, commencement and leaving dates, but they are of
>> great interest and use to me.
>
> Gizza hint. Where do you find employment records. After a conversation
> recently I am interested in one of those. Unfortunately AFAIK the
> company doesn't exist now though it was big in its day.
IF a company has deposited their historical records it will be in the
> "Tickettyboo" <ticke...@mail2oops.com> wrote in message
> news:cunkpp...@mid.individual.net...
>> Look in any archives catalogue and you can find 'some' company records.
>> The detail in them varies greatly. I have accessed (and copied)
>> employment registers from as recently as the 1940s. They don't say much
>> apart from a name , address,d.o.b, which dept they worked in, job
>> title, roll number, commencement and leaving dates, but they are of
>> great interest and use to me.
>
> Gizza hint. Where do you find employment records. After a conversation
> recently I am interested in one of those. Unfortunately AFAIK the
> company doesn't exist now though it was big in its day.
archives of the county they operated in. Bear in mind I mainly have
experience of archives in England so have no idea if your local records
would be different.
If you don't want to post it in here, drop me a mail with the details
and I will have a poke around.
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Rabbit
Jun 21, 2015, 2:50:34 PM6/21/15
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Tickettyboo
Jun 21, 2015, 3:38:20 PM6/21/15
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On 2015-06-21 18:50:15 +0000, Rabbit said:
>> IF a company has deposited their historical records it will be in the
>> archives of the county they operated in. Bear in mind I mainly have
>> experience of archives in England so have no idea if your local records
>> would be different.
>>
>> If you don't want to post it in here, drop me a mail with the details
>> and I will have a poke around.
>
> Actually the conversation was about ICI Ardeer. Whatever happened to them ?
National Archives of Scotland would hold anything existing to do with that.
>> IF a company has deposited their historical records it will be in the
>> archives of the county they operated in. Bear in mind I mainly have
>> experience of archives in England so have no idea if your local records
>> would be different.
>>
>> If you don't want to post it in here, drop me a mail with the details
>> and I will have a poke around.
>
> Actually the conversation was about ICI Ardeer. Whatever happened to them ?
http://catalogue.nrscotland.gov.uk/nrsonlinecatalogue/overview.aspx?st=1&tc=y&tl=n&tn=n&tp=n&k=ici+ardeer&ko=a&r=&ro=s&df=&dt=&di=y
Those are the results for a search for "ICI Ardeer" at NAS. The files
are very recent (in my terminology) and mainly still closed.
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Tickettyboo
Jun 21, 2015, 3:48:30 PM6/21/15
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acceptable in your neck of the woods lol)
http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/results/r?_q=ici%20ardeer&search=r
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Tickettyboo
Jun 21, 2015, 4:03:14 PM6/21/15
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On 2015-06-21 19:48:28 +0000, Tickettyboo said:
>>
>> National Archives of Scotland would hold anything existing to do with that.
>>
>> http://catalogue.nrscotland.gov.uk/nrsonlinecatalogue/overview.aspx?st=1&tc=y&tl=n&tn=n&tp=n&k=ici+ardeer&ko=a&r=&ro=s&df=&dt=&di=y
>>
>>
>> Those are the results for a search for "ICI Ardeer" at NAS. The files
>> are very recent (in my terminology) and mainly still closed.
>
> apologies, there is also stuff in the NA in London (if that's
> acceptable in your neck of the woods lol)
> http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/results/r?_q=ici%20ardeer&search=r
and I also tried Ayrshire Archives but their online catalogue seems to
>>
>> National Archives of Scotland would hold anything existing to do with that.
>>
>> http://catalogue.nrscotland.gov.uk/nrsonlinecatalogue/overview.aspx?st=1&tc=y&tl=n&tn=n&tp=n&k=ici+ardeer&ko=a&r=&ro=s&df=&dt=&di=y
>>
>>
>> Those are the results for a search for "ICI Ardeer" at NAS. The files
>> are very recent (in my terminology) and mainly still closed.
>
> apologies, there is also stuff in the NA in London (if that's
> acceptable in your neck of the woods lol)
> http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/results/r?_q=ici%20ardeer&search=r
be a 'work in progress' and progress is slow :-) a phone call would
establish IF they hold anything.
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Rabbit
Jun 22, 2015, 11:24:24 AM6/22/15
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It all started when we were discussing a place in Irvine where all the ICI
Ardeer records were. It was a lovely building but it shut a while ago.
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