IMPORTANT NEWS CONCERNING SLIMELIGHT, LONDON.
Steve Slimelight
Steve.
AN IMPORTANT STATEMENT FROM THE SLIMELIGHT CONCERNING SATURDAY NIGHTS.
The end of an era at the Slimelight... Wot no Bar? Not anymore.
Due to the ever challenging position of maintaining the Slime, it's all
change. In order to
raise funds to keep the Slimelight open, and to pay for the ever present
tedious projects moving walls two inches for the council, meeting fire
regulations and stuff, from SATURDAY FEB 20th 1999 there will be a
licensed bar at the club. This isn't as handy as it first seems. Current
licensing laws mean that the bar must close at 2 a.m. with 20 minutes
drinking up time. Any alcohol seen after that point by staff must be
confiscated (You'll be given a cloakroom ticket to get it back at the
end of the night when it becomes quite legal for you to drink it in the
streets of London!!!), or you'll be thrown out. Dull or what? We are not
even allowed to give drink away for free after 2.20 a.m. as we have done
before as this is now illegal.
The initial plan was to get a license for Thursday and Friday nights
when we do suspect techno nights and other commercial rentals, charge
the usual London club rip off prices, and subsidise Saturday nights
(with bring your own booze as usual), but this is not legal either, even
if we don't open the bar on a Saturday night, even if it is a members
and guests club, even though it's been legal for all of you to drink
your own booze until 7.30 a.m. for over 10 years... Any creative legal
advice on this subject would be most welcome, or a gift of £250,000
would be an alternative to being involved in the UK's bizarre licensing
laws.
We will be charging London's usual rip off prices in the bar on dubious
NON-SLIME events, with much cheaper booze on Saturdays. We are also
being allowed a transitional period where you can still bring your own
booze. Unfortunately, you have to drink if by 2.20 a.m as per the
license. You can drink soft drinks all night though.
There are some other points we'd like to raise, but we are unable to do
so due to legal advice we have received. However, we would like to start
a petition in an attempt to get the licensing laws in this country
changed. Please sign it when you next come to the club, and contact us
if you know of any groups or politicians we could lobby about this.
We hope you will understand, and we're sorry but it seemed like the only
option open to us. We also hope the licensing laws change soon.
Mak. Slimelight. 16th February 1999
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Phildo
Steve Slimelight <st...@slimelight.com> wrote in message
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>Hello, I've been asked to post the following message, so here it is...
>Steve.
>
>AN IMPORTANT STATEMENT FROM THE SLIMELIGHT CONCERNING SATURDAY NIGHTS.
>The end of an era at the Slimelight... Wot no Bar? Not anymore.
This will kill Slimelight. The BYOB policy is one of the best things about the
club. It won't only be the end of an era, it will be the end of the club.
Phildo
ICQ 15290022
Steve Slimelight
Phildo wrote:
> >AN IMPORTANT STATEMENT FROM THE SLIMELIGHT CONCERNING SATURDAY NIGHTS.
> >The end of an era at the Slimelight... Wot no Bar? Not anymore.
>
> This will kill Slimelight. The BYOB policy is one of the best things about the
> club. It won't only be the end of an era, it will be the end of the club.
>
Why don't you rescue the Slime from the doom of having a bar like nearly every
other club in the country by donating £250,000 then??!?
If this does kill the club, then it'll prove how fickle people are. Are any of
Pete Scathe's clubs dead because they have a bar? Will the Kit-Kat close down in 2
weeks because it has a bar? Will Malice Underground and Tenabrae cease because
they have a bar? Will the Underworld in Manchester close down because it has a
bar? Need I go on...?
We said we wanted to keep "bring your own booze" but the law will not allow us to
do so, though you can still bring your own for the time being as we have been
given a transitional period plus we will be selling drink at off license prices.
We said we wanted to be able to serve drink all night, but the law will not allow
us to do so. The law needs changing. It is out-dated and it is mad that what is
perfectly legal one week is illegal the following week.
Steve.
P.S Anyone who can't see the full text of the original message should read the
entire thing by going here; http://www.slimelight.com/slnews.html
Hatchet
<st...@slimelight.com> said:
>licensed bar at the club. This isn't as handy as it first seems. Current
>licensing laws mean that the bar must close at 2 a.m. with 20 minutes
>drinking up time. Any alcohol seen after that point by staff must be
>confiscated
The operative word here is "seen" kiddies. Of *course* none of us will
be drinking alcohol after this point. We'll all be drinking "coke" from
big bottles that we brought with us, or "water" from water bottles that
we brought with us...
>if we don't open the bar on a Saturday night, even if it is a members
>and guests club, even though it's been legal for all of you to drink
>your own booze until 7.30 a.m. for over 10 years... Any creative legal
>advice on this subject would be most welcome, or a gift of £250,000
>would be an alternative to being involved in the UK's bizarre licensing
>laws.
The only thing that springs to mind off the top of my head is
readmission. People being able to go outside, drink on the streets, and
then come back in. This is, however, a crap plan as residents and
Slimelight goers alike will probably get very fed up with it very
quickly, and the law will show up, etc.
Hatchet >:)
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Aconite
> >AN IMPORTANT STATEMENT FROM THE SLIMELIGHT CONCERNING SATURDAY NIGHTS.
> >The end of an era at the Slimelight... Wot no Bar? Not anymore.
>
> This will kill Slimelight. The BYOB policy is one of the best things about the
> club. It won't only be the end of an era, it will be the end of the club.
I think I agree.
I don't drink personally, but I know a _lot_ of people who do, and who
won't go if they can't bring their own bottles, and must finish u pby
2:20AM.
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Steve Slimelight wrote in message <36C9FE30...@slimelight.com>...
>If this does kill the club, then it'll prove how fickle people are. Are any
of
>Pete Scathe's clubs dead because they have a bar? Will the Kit-Kat close
down in 2
>weeks because it has a bar? Will Malice Underground and Tenabrae cease
because
>they have a bar? Will the Underworld in Manchester close down because it
has a
>bar? Need I go on...?
Erm, Kit-Kat and Malice do not carry on for about another 5 hours after
drink-up time. I agree with Phil. It will be the end of an era *adopts
sad-defeated-goth-in-the-corner-pose*
Mouse :o(
PS If I had a spare quarter of a million I would happily chuck it your
way... actually I'm lying :oP
Valkyrie
: from SATURDAY FEB 20th 1999 there will be a
: licensed bar at the club. This isn't as handy as it first seems. Current
: licensing laws mean that the bar must close at 2 a.m. with 20 minutes
: drinking up time. Any alcohol seen after that point by staff must be
: end of the night when it becomes quite legal for you to drink it in the
: streets of London!!!), or you'll be thrown out. Dull or what? We are not
: even allowed to give drink away for free after 2.20 a.m. as we have done
: before as this is now illegal.
I can't believe all this wasn't checked out before the bar was installed.
This is going to cause some serious problems. One of the things which
makes the atmosphere at Slimelight is the BYOB policy, and the fact that
alcohol may be consumed all night.
I also don't envy the staff the job of policing this 'no alcohol after
2am' policy. 2am is just the right amount of time for people to get
pissed, forgetful of the time and potentially belligerent when told they
have to stop drinking.
I appreciate that Slimelight needs the extra revenue generated by the
bar.. the only thing I can think of is if the bar can perhaps have a
shutter or something pulled down over it? That way it's not only obviously
*shut*, but to all intents and purposes not there, a seperate, closed
room. I don't know, I'm not a lawyer. there must be some technicality,
there usually is.
Valkyrie, trying to look on the bright side.
Medusa
Will this affect the price of Slimelight membership at all? I have to
renew my card when I'm there next, and was just wondering if the rates
might be raised at all. <-- Hopefully not.
--
Later
. . . Medusa . . .
Phildo
>
>
>Phildo wrote:
>
>> >AN IMPORTANT STATEMENT FROM THE SLIMELIGHT CONCERNING SATURDAY NIGHTS.
>> >The end of an era at the Slimelight... Wot no Bar? Not anymore.
>>
>> This will kill Slimelight. The BYOB policy is one of the best things about
the
>>
>
>Why don't you rescue the Slime from the doom of having a bar like nearly
every
>other club in the country by donating £250,000 then??!?
Why don't you? If I had it I would. If I had the money yet do you really think
I would be over here? These things take time and the american legal system
sucks so I have to wait as long as it takes before I get it. Then again I
would want to buy the club outright for that sort of investment rather than
just donating it.
>If this does kill the club, then it'll prove how fickle people are. Are any
of
>Pete Scathe's clubs dead because they have a bar? Will the Kit-Kat close down
in 2
>weeks because it has a bar? Will Malice Underground and Tenabrae cease
because
>they have a bar? Will the Underworld in Manchester close down because it has
a
>bar? Need I go on...?
Yes but they don't go on until 7am. Are people supposed to go without a drink
for 5 hours? That's the big difference with Slimelight - it goes on all night.
>We said we wanted to keep "bring your own booze" but the law will not allow
us to
>do so, though you can still bring your own for the time being as we have been
>given a transitional period plus we will be selling drink at off license
prices.
>We said we wanted to be able to serve drink all night, but the law will not
allow
>us to do so. The law needs changing. It is out-dated and it is mad that what
is
>perfectly legal one week is illegal the following week.
I totally agree with you. I just don't think a drinks licence is the way to go
as it will kill the Saturday nights. Are there no other alternatives? A new
location maybe, opening the building for other events, raising prices,
whatever it takes. Maybe they should mail every member they have asking for
donations? That should easily bring in what you need. I just don't think a
licence is the way to go.
Phildo
ICQ 15290022
Fox
>Hello, I've been asked to post the following message, so here it is...
>Steve.
>
>AN IMPORTANT STATEMENT FROM THE SLIMELIGHT CONCERNING SATURDAY NIGHTS.
>The end of an era at the Slimelight... Wot no Bar? Not anymore.
>
>Due to the ever challenging position of maintaining the Slime, it's all
>change. In order to
>raise funds to keep the Slimelight open, and to pay for the ever present
>tedious projects moving walls two inches for the council, meeting fire
>regulations and stuff, from SATURDAY FEB 20th 1999 there will be a
>licensed bar at the club. This isn't as handy as it first seems. Current
>licensing laws mean that the bar must close at 2 a.m. with 20 minutes
>drinking up time. Any alcohol seen after that point by staff must be
>confiscated
Admittedly I don't know that much about licensing laws but can't you
apply for a license on all nights EXCEPT for the Saturdays, keep the
Saturday night as a private members night and thus short circuit the
entire fandango?
Fox
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>Why don't you rescue the Slime from the doom of having a bar like nearly every
> other club in the country by donating £250,000 then??!?
I wander if you can try and raise money at Whitby or something? 8)
> If this does kill the club, then it'll prove how fickle people are. Are any of
> Pete Scathe's clubs dead because they have a bar? Will the Kit-Kat close down
in 2
> weeks because it has a bar? Will Malice Underground and Tenabrae cease because
> they have a bar? Will the Underworld in Manchester close down because it has a
> bar? Need I go on...?
As someone has said, not every club that has a bar that closes at 2 then goes
on till 7am. Even when I go to The Ballroom (even though I try not to go now
days) I get put off by the bar closing an hour before kicking out time. And
that is just an hour… as in one hour not 5! Can you imagine people going to a
club drinking until 2 and then sobering up for the rest of the night!? Is the
use of Speed going to quadruple before the week is out?
Why are changes to the structure still being made? I thought everything was
given up for opening the top floor. Is there over parts of Slime which need
changing other than the top floor?
Also, are the drinking laws, that are changing at the end of this year, going
to effect the new changes? One last question… why doesn’t Slime know all the
info needed to be known considering the changes. I would have thought that
club managers should know all that goes down which effects their clubs
This sucks big time!
Mat and Andrea
PS. Could be a space for the KitCAt club to open on a Saturday now.
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> If this does kill the club, then it'll prove how fickle people are. Are any of
> Pete Scathe's clubs dead because they have a bar? Will the Kit-Kat close down in 2
> weeks because it has a bar? Will Malice Underground and Tenabrae cease because
> they have a bar? Will the Underworld in Manchester close down because it has a
> bar? Need I go on...?
>
imho, the coolest thing about slimelight was re-entry. i must confess
that i don't go nearly as much since that stopped - it's a long
club night, 11pm-7am, and it was nice to pop out for ice cream,
or to someone's flat, or to get a change of clothes or whatever.
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Steve Slimelight
>
>
> Erm, Kit-Kat and Malice do not carry on for about another 5 hours after
> sad-defeated-goth-in-the-corner-pose*
It's the out dated laws that need to change IMO. Slimes has tried to get
round the problem, but there doesn't seem to be a way.
Steve.
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Steve Slimelight
> >Phildo wrote:
> >Why don't you rescue the Slime from the doom of having a bar like nearly
> every
> >other club in the country by donating £250,000 then??!?
>
> Why don't you?
Not remotely that well off!!!
Are any
> of
> >Pete Scathe's clubs dead because they have a bar? Will the Kit-Kat close down
> in 2
> >weeks because it has a bar? Will Malice Underground and Tenabrae cease
> because
> >they have a bar? Will the Underworld in Manchester close down because it has
> a
> >bar? Need I go on...?
> I totally agree with you. I just don't think a drinks licence is the way to go
> as it will kill the Saturday nights.
I don't think it should kill Saturday nights. Like I say, if it does
then it'll prove how fickle people are.
Are there no other alternatives? A new
> location maybe, opening the building for other events, raising prices,
> whatever it takes. Maybe they should mail every member they have asking for
> donations? That should easily bring in what you need.
There are approx 10,000 members on a database, current and lapsed.
Assuming up to 50% are either not interested these days, or incorrect
addresses, that means 5,000 people coughing up £50 each. I can't see
that happening really, and it's probably less than 5,000 people too.
The building already operates as a paintball site.
If we raised prices they'd have to go up to £15 members, £20 guests (I
think. Don't quote me on that). Slime don't want to do that. The main
problem is the 2.20 drink up time.
I just don't think a
> licence is the way to go.
It wasn't my decision, but I do feel that I should stick up for Slimes
Steve Slimelight
> imho, the coolest thing about slimelight was re-entry. i must confess
> that i don't go nearly as much since that stopped - it's a long
> club night, 11pm-7am, and it was nice to pop out for ice cream,
> or to someone's flat, or to get a change of clothes or whatever.
That was stopped by a combined force of the local council, residents and
the police. Again, Slimes would rather have kept re-admission.
We still have to have a member of security walking up and down the steet
behind Slimelight!!!
Steve Slimelight
>
> Will this affect the price of Slimelight membership at all? I have to
> renew my card when I'm there next, and was just wondering if the rates
> might be raised at all. <-- Hopefully not.
No, no price rises here.
Steve Slimelight
> The operative word here is "seen" kiddies. Of *course* none of us will
> be drinking alcohol after this point. We'll all be drinking "coke" from
> big bottles that we brought with us, or "water" from water bottles that
> we brought with us...
I'm drinking coke all night every night. Honest. That's not lager, it's
a sports drink, that's why it's in a lucozade bottle sir.
> the UK's bizarre licensing
> >laws.
>
> The only thing that springs to mind off the top of my head is
> readmission. People being able to go outside, drink on the streets, and
> then come back in.
We're not allowed to do re-admission due to the combined forces of the
local council, residents and police. This is why it stopped in the first
place.
Phildo
>> I totally agree with you. I just don't think a drinks licence is the way to
go
>> as it will kill the Saturday nights.
>
>I don't think it should kill Saturday nights. Like I say, if it does
>then it'll prove how fickle people are.
As has already been stated by several people on this newsgroup it's nothing to
do with people being fickle, rather them having to spend 5 hours in a club
without a drink which will really put a damper on things.
I understand you having to put Slimelight's view across but no matter how you
dress it up it will not be a popular decision and I can see the place being
empty by 3am most nights.
Phildo
ICQ 15290022
Steve Slimelight
> Admittedly I don't know that much about licensing laws but can't you
> apply for a license on all nights EXCEPT for the Saturdays, keep the
> Saturday night as a private members night and thus short circuit the
> entire fandango?
That's what we wanted to do. As we said in the full original text,
you're not allowed to have such a license. Why not? It's pathetic.
Legal one week, and illegal the next. What a lot of bollox...
Steve Slimelight
> I appreciate that Slimelight needs the extra revenue generated by the
> bar.. the only thing I can think of is if the bar can perhaps have a
> shutter or something pulled down over it? That way it's not only obviously
> *shut*, but to all intents and purposes not there, a seperate, closed
> room. I don't know, I'm not a lawyer. there must be some technicality,
> there usually is.
The club hasn't been able to come up with one. If the club is seen
trying to be clever, the license could get revoked, and the club shut
down.
The law needs to change...
The Painted One
>As has already been stated by several people on this newsgroup it's nothing
to
>do with people being fickle, rather them having to spend 5 hours in a club
>without a drink which will really put a damper on things.
>
Rockworld in Manchester has (or at least used to have) a Friday night
all-nighter, which included the Underworld till 3ish, then the rest of the
club staying open till 7AM. The bar closes at 2. Its not brilliant
but people do stay and keep dancing, so it can be done. When
I lived in Manchester, this had been going on for a few years.
Gets a bit thin on ground after 4ish but I always thought that had
more to do with people falling asleep than the lack of drinks.
On the few occations I went my batteries usually started to fail
about 4:30. (I dont do the chemical recharge thing mind you).
I dunno, I dont drink in clubs anyway.
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> imho, the coolest thing about slimelight was re-entry. i must confess
Indeed, this used to be excellent - nipping down to the 24 hour garage for
stuff, sitting in the drooways in Torrens street etc... but didn't the
police complain loundly about that and stop it ?
I;m curious as to the comments that a gift of 250k would solve the fruink
problem at Slimelight. Either it;s illegal or it isn't - who are you
gonna bribe with thew money ? :-)
We have just been through an identical fight in York with the lisencing
authorities over Afterlife (which has also been run as BYOB until now).
The law seems very complex and a hell of a mess in places (e.g. if we are
selling soft drinks after 10:30 in a "club" then we need an alcohol lisence!).
The problems start when you want to out a bar in - but in our case we were
also told that the lisencing officers and the police were unhappy for us
to continue without a lisence as they did not feel that alcohol was being
properly controlled within the building. The first night we were forced to
run with a bar they sat a panda-car outside for part of the night just to
keep an eye on things.
sigh, but there you go... I used to wonder why more plces didn't operate in
the way Slimelight does, but recent experiences make me think that it's
actually a miracle that it's got away with it as long as it has.
-bat.
Steve Slimelight
> As someone has said, not every club that has a bar that closes at 2 then goes
> on till 7am.
There are actually plently that do (other types of music of course)...
Is the
> use of Speed going to quadruple before the week is out?
I expect so...
> Why are changes to the structure still being made? I thought everything was
> given up for opening the top floor.
This is nothing to do re-opening the top floor. It's a question of debt,
and future works the council want done, that the club finds itself in
Also, are the drinking laws, that are changing at the end of this year,
going
> to effect the new changes? One last question… why doesn’t Slime know all the
> info needed to be known considering the changes. I would have thought that
> club managers should know all that goes down which effects their clubs
This was nothing to do with me per se, but I feel as if I have to stick
up for the club. If the law changes, then drink can be consumed until
later. We don't plan to charge rip-off prices, but off license prices...
> This sucks big time!
Yes and no. There's a way round most things...
> PS. Could be a space for the KitCAt club to open on a Saturday now.
If they could find a club to do it in, which would have a bar, which
would close at 2.30 or 3.30, which would charge London rip-off prices
for a drink. Trying to set up now what the Slimes did over 10 years ago,
would meet with immediate closure by the police.
Perhaps Slime should change the opening hours? 9 pm to 4 a.m? We're
thinking of bands being on from 7.30 then at 11 change to a club, and
perhaps close at 4. What do you think?
Greylock
did sigh:
>>The end of an era at the Slimelight... Wot no Bar? Not anymore.
>
It might not.
There was a club here, in Perth, called Interzone which had a BYOB policy, and
probably would have had similar council problems as Slimelight seems to have
had.
In fact, Interzone closed because of those, and other problems - but Interzone
was never as big as I imagine Slimelight to be.
It still managed to survive the transition from BYOB to bar. In fact there are
a lot of people who dislike the fact BYOB place's don't have a bar because it
means they have to cart alcohol from all ends of the earth.
All Slimelight needs to do is ensure as wide a selection of drinks at as cheap
as possible prices.
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>
> guy ruth hammond <g...@onlinemagic.com> writes:
> > imho, the coolest thing about slimelight was re-entry. i must confess
>
> Indeed, this used to be excellent - nipping down to the 24 hour garage for
> stuff, sitting in the drooways in Torrens street etc... but didn't the
> police complain loundly about that and stop it ?
Yes, it was a case of either stop re-admission or be closed down.
> The problems start when you want to out a bar in - but in our case we were
> also told that the lisencing officers and the police were unhappy for us
> to continue without a lisence as they did not feel that alcohol was being
> properly controlled within the building.
This is what has happened with Slimes and the local council etc...
> sigh, but there you go... I used to wonder why more plces didn't operate in
> the way Slimelight does, but recent experiences make me think that it's
> actually a miracle that it's got away with it as long as it has.
Yes. That's quite true. If you now tried to set a club up like Slimes
was 11 years back, you'd be closed down before you opened.
If the law let us serve all night, and we charge off license prices,
then there wouldn't really be a problem. It's the 2.20 drink up time
that's a bugger...
Mad to think one week you can drink legally to 7.30, the next you can't,
but if we were a hotel you could.
The law is an ass...
Steve Slimelight
>
> Phildo wrote in message ...
>
> >As has already been stated by several people on this newsgroup it's nothing
> to
> >do with people being fickle, rather them having to spend 5 hours in a club
> >without a drink which will really put a damper on things.
> >
> Rockworld in Manchester has (or at least used to have) a Friday night
> all-nighter, which included the Underworld till 3ish, then the rest of the
> club staying open till 7AM. The bar closes at 2. Its not brilliant
> but people do stay and keep dancing, so it can be done. When
> I lived in Manchester, this had been going on for a few years.
> Gets a bit thin on ground after 4ish but I always thought that had
> more to do with people falling asleep than the lack of drinks.
> On the few occations I went my batteries usually started to fail
> about 4:30. (I dont do the chemical recharge thing mind you).
See!?!??!!!!!
The Painted One
>
>That's what we wanted to do. As we said in the full original text,
>you're not allowed to have such a license. Why not? It's pathetic.
>
>Legal one week, and illegal the next. What a lot of bollox.
How about having an adjoining room/area which is specifically
excluded from the club when it used for other nights and also from the
main license.
I'm thinking in terms of clubs which have several areas that they rent/use
seperately. If you could get a seperate license for that area, or have it
designated as a members club next door to the licensed club. Sort of
a members only area within a club.
You might have to jump through a few hoops with how you controlled
admission,
but I would have thought that something could be worked out.
I knew of at least one venue that had a pub and club attached, up till 11
you could walk freely between the two. Then after that the pub areas license
ran out, so they closed that bit and moved everyone through to the club
bit which had a license till 2. Not quite the same but the princple would
hopefully hold.
You're right though the licensing laws are daft. I was in Germany recently
and even in the smallish town I was in there were quite few bars open
till 4 in the morning, serving drinks, all through the week. Its quite
normal. (Plays hell with going to work the next day .)
Steve Slimelight
> >This will kill Slimelight. The BYOB policy is one of the best things about the
> >club. It won't only be the end of an era, it will be the end of the club.
> It might not.
> There was a club here, in Perth, called Interzone which had a BYOB policy, and
> probably would have had similar council problems as Slimelight seems to have
had.
Hurrah! The voice of reason!!!
> It still managed to survive the transition from BYOB to bar. In fact there are
> a lot of people who dislike the fact BYOB place's don't have a bar because it
> means they have to cart alcohol from all ends of the earth.
>
> All Slimelight needs to do is ensure as wide a selection of drinks at as cheap
> as possible prices.
Which is what we plan to do.
Steve Slimelight
> excluded from the club when it used for other nights and also from the
> main license.
We thought of this, but as we'd have to specifically change the building
to do so, the licensing body and the police would see this as trying to
be clever and so revoke the license and close the club down!!!
> I'm thinking in terms of clubs which have several areas that they rent/use
> seperately. If you could get a seperate license for that area, or have it
> designated as a members club next door to the licensed club. Sort of
> a members only area within a club.
> You might have to jump through a few hoops with how you controlled
> admission,
> but I would have thought that something could be worked out.
It's worth looking into some more. I agree with that. I did have the
same idea so will run it pass Mak again. I know they tried to buy the
Blue Angel pub on the corner, but the brewery wouldn't sell.
> You're right though the licensing laws are daft. I was in Germany recently
> and even in the smallish town I was in there were quite few bars open
> till 4 in the morning, serving drinks, all through the week. Its quite
> normal. (Plays hell with going to work the next day .)
I know. I'm in Germany this weekend!!!
We need to get the law changed. I know for a fact that Slimes wants to
get actively involved in this process.
I do think it's sad that some people think it will kill the club. So
bring yer own booze is all that's important. I know the 2 a.m thing is a
pain but I'm sure you can think of some creative ways around it...
Moomintroll
>>
>>Phildo wrote:
>>
>>> This will kill Slimelight.
>
>Yes but they [other clubs with bars] don't go on until 7am. Are people
supposed to go without a drink for 5 hours? That's the big difference with
Slimelight - it goes on all night.
>
Sorry. This makes me really angry.
I have to say that I have never been to slimelight, but I am in the underworld
in manchester most weeks, which has a bar that shuts at two.
When I go to the underworld, I go to be with friends, meet new people, and
enjoy the general ambience of the club. Of course, I enjoy a few pints when
the bar is open, but if all I wanted to do was drink till dawn I could do so in
the comfort of my own home.
Anyone who cannot last five hours (oh my god - that's five *whole* hours!) in
the company of other goths without using alcohol or other drugs as a prop is
either mixing in the wrong scene, or needs to book into a rehap clinic pronto.
I have heard wonderful things about slimes from friends who have been, and am
planning a trip soon. I will be coming, alcohol or no, to enjoy (hopefully)
all the things I love about the goth scene.
(Sorry if my moominrant has offended anyone - none of the comments were
directed against anyone in particular - I would just hate to se an institution
lost because people think that they need drugs to enjoy not being a part of the
crowd.)
M.
Asher Hoskins
: Perhaps Slime should change the opening hours? 9 pm to 4 a.m? We're
: thinking of bands being on from 7.30 then at 11 change to a club, and
: perhaps close at 4. What do you think?
This would be a right pain for those of us who have to travel from outside
London to Slimes since we'd then have to spend hours waiting around at
stations until the trains restarted.
I agree that the crap licensing laws need changing, I was working in the
Netherlands for a bit over the summer and it was just so much more
relaxed being able to leave a bar when you felt tired rather than being
chucked out at 11:20. There was also none of the hassle caused by groups
of pissed-up bored arseholes causing trouble at pub closing time because
people left the bars over a much longer time period.
AFAIR, the reason that members only clubs can have all night drinking is
because when the 11pm law was put in place (around the time of the first
world war I think) all the legislators tended to be members of gentlemans
clubs and of course didn't want to affect their own drinking... Perhaps
Slimes could sling in a few leather armchairs, stick up a bit of wood
panelling and set itself up as one, with a 'ballroom' in which it holds
dances on the non-saturday nights... Gothic butlers anyone? :-)
Asher.
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Alex Page
> I don't drink personally, but I know a _lot_ of people who do, and who
> won't go if they can't bring their own bottles, and must finish up by
> 2:20AM.
Well, I've been toying with the idea of doing Slimelight sober for some time
now, and I think I'm about to find out what it's like!
Alex
--
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Arch-Deacon of the Church of Ron Bacardi
"You win some, you lose more" - Alexander
Talia
>
> Mad to think one week you can drink legally to 7.30, the next you > can't, but if we were a hotel you could.
Now that's an idea...so what's the legal definition of a hotel then?
Lot's of guests and people sleeping in corners? ;)
--
Talia
Steve Weeks
I couldn't have put it better myself... You're a diamond!
Steve Weeks
If we had 10 hotel rooms for 75 people each, we could charge everyone £5 or £8 per night, and serve booze 24
hours!!! ;-)
mr.mime
> thinking of bands being on from 7.30 then at 11 change to a club, and
> perhaps close at 4. What do you think?
could work... but i always liked coming out at 7am, and either going
down the cafe or being able to get home easily (ie, not walking miles to
get a night bus)... getting home a 4 in the moring would be a real
hastle, as i'm pretty sure it means walking all the way up to kings
cross to get the night bus, which isn't very nice in summer, in winter i
bet it's a nightmare.
it'll be interesting to see what really does end up happening... i was
shocked to say the least when i read the initial post... personally i'm
not sure if it's gonna work [this licence thing]...
mr.mime
Lee Edward Armstrong
Steve Slimelight wrote:
> Mad to think one week you can drink legally to 7.30, the next you can't,
> but if we were a hotel you could.
Errr...Rent the sick bed out in the hall way ???
One person is booked into the room the rest are guests ???
*Hope*
> The law is an ass...
Yup.
Its a shame, it will be the end of something, but may be the start of
something else....Change. Always was a bugger.
Cya,
Lee
Lee Edward Armstrong
Steve Slimelight wrote:
> Perhaps Slime should change the opening hours? 9 pm to 4 a.m? We're
> thinking of bands being on from 7.30 then at 11 change to a club, and
> perhaps close at 4. What do you think?
Supose its a maybe.....However how'd you get back at 4am....nice thing
with slimes was the tube was open at the end, so it didn't cost a bucket
to get home...
Meant slimes was a cheap night out....10 on booze, 5 on entry and thats
it....Other clubs. 5-7 entry and 20+ on drinks is easy....plus 15 on
taxi and you soon don't go out that many times a month.
Also slimes started late, so you could meet up for a meal (indian veg
anyone...) go to the pub etc and meet people who couldn't afford the
time/money to really go out and then wander onto slimes.....also good
after a b'day pub crawl etc.
Just thoughts and rants...
cya,
Lee
Whisky Dave
Steve Slimelight wrote in message <36C9FA6A...@slimelight.com>...
>from SATURDAY FEB 20th 1999 there will be a
>licensed bar at the club. This isn't as handy as it first seems. Current
>licensing laws mean that the bar must close at 2 a.m. with 20 minutes
>drinking up time. Any alcohol seen after that point by staff must be
>confiscated (You'll be given a cloakroom ticket to get it back at the
>end of the night when it becomes quite legal for you to drink it in the
>streets of London!!!),
Anyone know what the times are and the actual law....?
>
>Any creative legal
>advice on this subject would be most welcome,
How aboiut the EC commision, Spain and other countries
allow you to drink all night why can't the UK fall in line.
Anyone know the licencing laws in the house of lords etc.....
The other option is what wraith used to do i.e have it as a private party.
So you wouldn't be able to charge on the door or charge an entrance fee.
A bit difficult to do on the scale of slime though.
>We are also
>being allowed a transitional period where you can still bring your own
>booze. Unfortunately, you have to drink if by 2.20 a.m as per the
>license. You can drink soft drinks all night though.
After the transition period will you still be able to BYOB?
I assume this will have to all be consumed by 2:20am......
If this is true can I drink coloured (probably gold, not very goth) water
from water bottles, I have a stash of food colouring at home shame to waste
it. ;-)
Cause the only reason I don't drink water is the colour it's so
transparent.:-<>
>There are some other points we'd like to raise, but we are unable to do
>so due to legal advice we have received.
OK leave your DJing out of this.....
>However, we would like to start
>a petition in an attempt to get the licensing laws in this country
>changed.
Good idea, I think we need to ask why we are discriminated against...... :)
>Please sign it when you next come to the club,
Note the before bit, while you can stioll right or put a X
>
>We hope you will understand, and we're sorry but it seemed like the only
>option open to us. We also hope the licensing laws change soon.
I've been hoping for years. :-(
>
>Mak. Slimelight. 16th February 1999
>
Steve Slimelight
>
> Hiya,
>
> Steve Slimelight wrote:
>
> > Perhaps Slime should change the opening hours? 9 pm to 4 a.m? We're
> > thinking of bands being on from 7.30 then at 11 change to a club, and
> > perhaps close at 4. What do you think?
>
> Supose its a maybe.....However how'd you get back at 4am....nice thing
> with slimes was the tube was open at the end, so it didn't cost a bucket
> to get home...
That's what I thought too. I expect we'll stay open until 7.30 a.m, but
there may be bands and things on from 8 pm once a month if not more...
> Meant slimes was a cheap night out....10 on booze, 5 on entry and thats
> it....Other clubs. 5-7 entry and 20+ on drinks is easy....plus 15 on
> taxi and you soon don't go out that many times a month.
Well Slimes will still be cheap. You can still bring your own booze for
the time being, and the bar will be off license prices, (it's the 2.20
drink up that's a pain), you can still bring your own soft drinks and
drink them all night, so it may not change too much...
Steve Slimelight
>
> >
> >Any creative legal
> >advice on this subject would be most welcome,
> How aboiut the EC commision, Spain and other countries
> allow you to drink all night why can't the UK fall in line.
Good idea.
> The other option is what wraith used to do i.e have it as a private party.
> So you wouldn't be able to charge on the door or charge an entrance fee.
> A bit difficult to do on the scale of slime though.
Wraith did charge on the door though, and why the police got so
interested...
> >We are also
> >being allowed a transitional period where you can still bring your own
> >booze. Unfortunately, you have to drink if by 2.20 a.m as per the
> >license. You can drink soft drinks all night though.
> After the transition period will you still be able to BYOB?
Any cans, or bottles of alcohol will not be allowed after the transition
period. However, you can continue to bring your own coke, lemondade, etc
etc...
> I assume this will have to all be consumed by 2:20am......
Yes, but soft drinks may be consumed all night.
> >There are some other points we'd like to raise, but we are unable to do
> >so due to legal advice we have received.
> OK leave your DJing out of this.....
Yep. You know I'd sue! :-)
Steve
The Incy Wincy Spider
<st...@slimelight.com> writes
>Mouse wrote:
>>
>>
>> Erm, Kit-Kat and Malice do not carry on for about another 5 hours after
>> drink-up time. I agree with Phil. It will be the end of an era *adopts
>> sad-defeated-goth-in-the-corner-pose*
>
>It's the out dated laws that need to change IMO. Slimes has tried to get
>round the problem, but there doesn't seem to be a way.
>
I am under the impression that the licensing laws are to be update in
the Year 2000 or 2001. the trouble they date back to the First World War
(no licensing hours before then) when the government wanted to make sure
that munition production did not slip (at one point British artillery on
the Western Front was limited to firing 4 rounds a day each)
The main point was that the pubs closed in the Afternoon, this has been
fairly recently repealed and pubs open from 11am to 11pm (though it took
slightly longer on Sunday for pubs to open all day, which is ironic
could people were least likely to slip off from work for a pint on a
Sunday, and pubs still close earlier on a Sunday). Cynics would suggest
that this is because we have not yet fully embraced a multi-cultural
society and Christian values for a Sunday still dominate. (On another
slight aside when I was in Aberystwyth you could not get alcohol at all
on a Sunday, well at least initially this was later changed with the
exception of the Student Union bars)
The problem is that Governments have for various reasons (some valid,
some less so: e.g. reduce alcoholism, increase work rates, stop rowdy
people being on the streets at all times of night, fear of upsetting the
Mary Whitehouse Force my morals on you minority, etc.) not wanted to
change the rules.
Incy
The Incy Wincy Spider
<st...@slimelight.com> writes
>> All Slimelight needs to do is ensure as wide a selection of drinks at as cheap
>> as possible prices.
>
>Which is what we plan to do.
One of the nice things about the BYOB things was finding the large
selection of very different alcohol and trying what everyone else has. I
would suspect that however good the intention matching that range would
not just be possible. What sort of selection are you talking about? (I
have noticed the stylish pine wine rack attached to the wall, IKEA :)
Also the other problem what happens when it gets to 2.20? If you still
have half a can or a bottle is it confiscated, I presume you have to
finish it by drinking up time, but if it is a bottle of wine or can, it
is (a) not going to be wonderfully drinkable by the time person leaves
and 2 if it is not easily reseal able they would be severely tempted to
consume it immediately outside Slimelight causing more problems?
Sorry this sounds negative
Incy
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Whisky Dave
Steve Slimelight wrote in message <36CA9754...@slimelight.com>...
>math...@my-dejanews.com wrote:
>
> Is the
>> use of Speed going to quadruple before the week is out?
>
>I expect so...
Speed is an illegal substance,! you are not allowed to take it.
Before or after the 2:20am dead-line so there ;^D
>> Why are changes to the structure still being made? I thought everything
was
>> given up for opening the top floor.
>
>This is nothing to do re-opening the top floor. It's a question of debt,
>and future works the council want done, that the club finds itself in
I thought it was just on-going work that had to be done due to new or recent
fire regulations, i.e you have X years to install etc..
Regs change every year. e.g. When I put new cabling in I have to abide by
the
new regs for earthing which requires a thinker earth cable than was required
in the
16th[1] editionof the IEE bilble.
>
> why doesn’t Slime know all the
>> info needed to be known considering the changes. I would have thought
that
>> club managers should know all that goes down which effects their clubs
So how would one know the law as it stands in say 2001, 2005 etc...
can you give us some hint as to what the licencing laws will be in 2010?
>> This sucks big time!
>
>Yes and no. There's a way round most things...
Yeah, I'm taking up drink water from 2:20am, but if I offer you any,
just have a wee sip.
>Perhaps Slime should change the opening hours? 9 pm to 4 a.m? We're
>thinking of bands being on from 7.30 then at 11 change to a club, and
>perhaps close at 4. What do you think?
Personally I think it would be a diasaster....
Bands take up too much space... if it's run like megagoth
then you won't be able to use one dancefloor for most of the night.
Matt Moran
> Why don't you rescue the Slime from the doom of having a bar like nearly every
> other club in the country by donating £250,000 then??!?
So how quickly would having a bar raise a quarter of a million? Will I
still be alive by that time, or will it be something for our
grandchildren to see?
> If this does kill the club, then it'll prove how fickle people are.
People, sadly, are fickle.
Are any of
> Pete Scathe's clubs dead because they have a bar? Will the Kit-Kat close down in 2
> weeks because it has a bar? Will Malice Underground and Tenabrae cease because
> they have a bar? Will the Underworld in Manchester close down because it has a
> bar? Need I go on...?
Any of the clubs I've been to in Birmingham (Edwards, XLs, etc) are a
hell of a lot posher inside than Slimelight. If you made these places
look like Slimelight their customers wouldn't even glance over their
shoulder as they left for other more conducive surroundings. If you have
a bar, you'll end up spending more to neaten the place up than it'll
cost to move a single wall, just to keep existing customers. Face it -
the main attraction was its all-night drinking - or rather that you
weren't hassled into drinking up by 2:00 but could drink when and how
you liked. I'll probably still go to Slimelight because my friends do,
but given the admission prices (for members as well as guests) I may end
up going to less expensive places like Full Tilt when it goes over to no
more BYOB at all.
Matt
> We said we wanted to keep "bring your own booze" but the law will not allow us to
> do so, though you can still bring your own for the time being as we have been
> given a transitional period plus we will be selling drink at off license prices.
> We said we wanted to be able to serve drink all night, but the law will not allow
> us to do so. The law needs changing. It is out-dated and it is mad that what is
> perfectly legal one week is illegal the following week.
Vetinari
>
> Perhaps Slime should change the opening hours? 9 pm to 4 a.m? We're
> thinking of bands being on from 7.30 then at 11 change to a club, and
> perhaps close at 4. What do you think?
No. Definitely not - one of the best things about Slimelight is that you
can go all night & get an ordinary bus/tube back home in the morning. No
waiting around for the cab that never shows up or the dreaded night bus
of doom that takes you on a mystery tour of London before you get home.
Don't give up that one remaining advantage over your competitors.
(Not counting the sounds of course)
Matt
Richard Steer
the
>club. It won't only be the end of an era, it will be the end of the club.
Well that was bloody helpful and constructive wasn't it? I'm glad you
contributed to this discussion.
>Phildo
Squid
Aconite
> The other option is what wraith used to do i.e have it as a private party.
> So you wouldn't be able to charge on the door or charge an entrance fee.
> A bit difficult to do on the scale of slime though.
Wasn't Wraith completely illegal anyway though?
Or am I thinking of another Saturday one?
Aconite
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I've got a closet full of miracles."
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>
> aco...@dial.pipex.com wrote:
>
> > I don't drink personally, but I know a _lot_ of people who do, and who
> > won't go if they can't bring their own bottles, and must finish up by
> > 2:20AM.
>
> Well, I've been toying with the idea of doing Slimelight sober for some time
> now, and I think I'm about to find out what it's like!
i've tried it - the problem is that everyone else is getting drunker
and drunker and eventually they make no sense at all! :0)
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Aliceavia
> Any creative legal
>advice on this subject would be most welcome, or a gift of £250,000
>would be an alternative to being involved in the UK's bizarre licensing
>laws.
Hi all,
Here's an idea (and yes I am serious)...
If it's the £250,000 that is the problem - everyone who goes to Slimelight
should buy a lottery ticket each week, and if they win, hand the money
over... As I have said all along, I get one every week at the moment and, if
I win that's where my money is going...
Other than that I can't see any other way of getting cash like that.
Perhaps we could do some sponsered stuff... Any suggestions???
Later.
Alice[ia] - who hasn't slept since KitCat and now knows it to have been a
bad idea!
The Painted One
>If it's the £250,000 that is the problem - everyone who goes to Slimelight
>should buy a lottery ticket each week, and if they win, hand the money
>over... As I have said all along, I get one every week at the moment and,
if
>I win that's where my money is going...
There was actually a theatre somewhere that tried this when the lottery
first started. The restoration board, or whoever it was, decided to invest
the
£200,000 they had got though chartiable donations, to try and get a big win.
They actually thought of it like working the stock market. Needless to say
it didnt work and they ended up with a fraction of what they started with.
I think a new board arrived very shortly afterward.
TPO
Aconite
> Perhaps Slime should change the opening hours? 9 pm to 4 a.m? We're
> thinking of bands being on from 7.30 then at 11 change to a club, and
> perhaps close at 4. What do you think?
No. Absolutely not.
I've been at nights like Bound and Gagged at Electrowerkz where it's
closed at 4. Everyone is still wide awake, and looking for a party to go
to. Especially since, if alcohol after 2:20AM is banned, chemical
substances are going to get a lot more popular very quickly. People
simply aren't going to be able to sleep if the club closes at 4, and all
you're going to end up with is Torrens Street full of jittery people
desperately wanting to dance to something.
I've been thinking a bit more about the whole thing, and it's not as bad
as I first thought. It's going to change Slimelight, but hopefully not
kill it.
Whisky Dave
The Incy Wincy Spider wrote in message ...
>In article <36CA8E4D...@slimelight.com>, Steve Slimelight
><st...@slimelight.com> writes
>>Mouse wrote:
>>>
>>
>>It's the out dated laws that need to change IMO. Slimes has tried to get
>>round the problem, but there doesn't seem to be a way.
>>
>I am under the impression that the licensing laws are to be update in
>the Year 2000 or 2001. the trouble they date back to the First World War
>(no licensing hours before then) when the government wanted to make sure
>that munition production did not slip (at one point British artillery on
>the Western Front was limited to firing 4 rounds a day each)
>
>The problem is that Governments have for various reasons (some valid,
>some less so: e.g. reduce alcoholism, increase work rates, stop rowdy
>people being on the streets at all times of night, fear of upsetting the
>Mary Whitehouse Force my morals on you minority, etc.) not wanted to
>change the rules.
I reckon this is nearer the mark.
I wonder what would happen if the whole slimelight crowd left at 2:20am
in a rowdy drunken manor the first real week the 'law' was observed,
and then 'we' could say well it never happened before we were forced to
drink up quickly.
I'm not suggesting this as it'd probably get slimes closed for good.
Aconite
> I have to say that I have never been to slimelight, but I am in the underworld
> in manchester most weeks, which has a bar that shuts at two.
> When I go to the underworld, I go to be with friends, meet new people, and
> enjoy the general ambience of the club. Of course, I enjoy a few pints when
> the bar is open, but if all I wanted to do was drink till dawn I could do so in
> the comfort of my own home.
Slimelight is totally different on scale and atmosphere than Underworld.
Thankfully.
> Anyone who cannot last five hours (oh my god - that's five *whole* hours!) in
> the company of other goths without using alcohol or other drugs as a prop is
> either mixing in the wrong scene, or needs to book into a rehap clinic pronto.
You go out in Manchester, and you say this? I would need a large amount
of mind altering substances to have a good night out mixing with a lot
of the people there.[1]
Underworld is _totally_ different. A few friends and I came up from
London before Christmas and went there. We were bored, tired, couldn't
afford to get drunk and wanted to go home. The thought of staying until
7 was not a nice one.
Underworld itself closes at about 4 anyway. You can go into the rock
section after that. That is not the same as Slimelight.
Personally I don't drink at Slimelight. I barely drink full stop, so
this wouldn't affect me. As I said before though, the whole culture of
Slimelight is different. A lot more people stay to the end that at
Underworld. Most people need something to keep them going through until
the end and stop the conversations which are the same every week and the
music from getting stale _really_ fast.
I like the Slimelight. I'll go whether there is a bar or not. I think
most people will. On the other hand, I can see why most people aren't at
all pleased about it.
Aconite
[1] Not everyone. I don't know most of the "Mancgoth" contingent that
are on this newsgroup, so that's not who I'm referring to.
Steve Slimelight
> So how quickly would having a bar raise a quarter of a million?
> Will I
> still be alive by that time, or will it be something for our
> grandchildren to see?
No, it's not a question of immediately raising a quarter of a million.
it's a question of servicing debt and having the money to improve the
Slimelight as per council and fire regulations etc etc.
Slimelight was charging £3 and £5 in 1988. We now charge £5 and £8.
However, other costs we can't control have increased by far more a
percentage than that.
> Any of the clubs I've been to in Birmingham (Edwards, XLs, etc) are a
> hell of a lot posher inside than Slimelight. If you made these places
> look like Slimelight their customers wouldn't even glance over their
> shoulder as they left for other more conducive surroundings. If you have
> a bar, you'll end up spending more to neaten the place up than it'll
> cost to move a single wall, just to keep existing customers.
That IMO is utter tosh. So none of you will come to Slimes because it
doesn't look like the inside of a provincial club. Hmm. Red velvet
anyone?!?!? :-)
Face it -
> the main attraction was its all-night drinking
Oh fuck the scene, the people and the music then... I only go anywhere
if I can drink all night. Jesus!?!
> I'll probably still go to Slimelight because my friends do,
> but given the admission prices (for members as well as guests) I may >end
> up going to less expensive places like Full Tilt when it goes over to no
> more BYOB at all.
The Ballroom: less expensive? hahahahahahhahhahahahaha!!!!!
let's compare:
ballroom 10.30 to 3.00: 4.5 hours at £4 or £5 is £0.89 and £1.11 an hour
Slimelight: 11 to 7.30: 8.5 hours at £5 or £8 is £0.59 and £1.06 an hour
ballroom: drinks ave. £2.50 per can
Slime: drimks ave. is off licence prices (£1 to £1.50 per can, maybe
less)
Now let's compare the crowd and music at both places... actually let's
not...
And when will the Ballroom let you bring your own water etc etc...
Apologies and please excuse me for feeling a bit angry...
Steve.
Whisky Dave
Aconite wrote in message <36CAB4C...@dcs.qmw.ac.uk>...
>Whisky Dave wrote:
>
>> The other option is what wraith used to do i.e have it as a private
party.
>> So you wouldn't be able to charge on the door or charge an entrance fee.
>> A bit difficult to do on the scale of slime though.
>
>Wasn't Wraith completely illegal anyway though?
>Or am I thinking of another Saturday one?
Depends what you mean by illegal , it had no licence but then it was run as
a party,
at one time it had membership cards, it didn't observe alcohol, fire
health or safety, regulations but it was just a party officaily.
But of cousre when you charge an entrance fee it is then a club/venue
whatever
and has costomers so it then has to obey laws 'n' stuff :-(
>
>Aconite
Whisky Dave
Steve Slimelight wrote in message <36CAB2A4...@slimelight.com>...
>Whisky Dave wrote:
>>
>
>> The other option is what wraith used to do i.e have it as a private
party.
>> So you wouldn't be able to charge on the door or charge an entrance fee.
>> A bit difficult to do on the scale of slime though.
>
>interested...
'on the door being the word'
Later on you had to meet someone at the top of the road or away from "The
Door" to pay,
and then someone would escort you to the club and you'd be welcomed in as a
friend
while the police watch....;-)
But even the police aren't that stupid[1]
But all too silly to be realistic at slimes.
>
>> I assume this will have to all be consumed by 2:20am......
>
>Yes, but soft drinks may be consumed all night.
Oh goodie, goodie :)
Baldrick to black adder :
I have a cunning plan, a plan more cunning than cunninness itself :)
[1] This is purely my own POV and bares little 'fact' ;-)
The Incy Wincy Spider
<st...@slimelight.com> writes
>
>There are some other points we'd like to raise, but we are unable to do
>a petition in an attempt to get the licensing laws in this country
>if you know of any groups or politicians we could lobby about this.
I gleaned the following information off the Islington Council web Site
(www.islingotn.gov.uk) and it is really badly constructed btw.
Before writing to any of the people below I strongly urge that people
think out there arguments make the letters polite (and not at all
aggressive)
The local MP is:
Chris Smith MP
Islington South and Finsbury Constituency
You can write to
Chris Smith MP (Labour)
House of Commons,
London SW1A 0AA.
He is I also believe a Government Minister (Culture quite ironically),
he is only likely to reply letters from his constituents as an MP. It
may be well worth trying to lobby him though as the relevant Minister.
He may also be the Minister dealing with changes to licensing laws.
The local Councillors for Slimelight (St. Peters Ward... I hope this is
right it appears to be right on the border) I am a bit scared to post
the info here, but it was on there web site
Steve Hitchins (Liberal Democrat) - Leader of the Liberal Democrat Group
Mary Powell (Liberal Democrat)
Chris Pryce (Liberal Democrat)
I presume you right to them at:
Islington Town Hall,
Upper St.
N1 2UD
(the web site was dire enough not to state this, but did give out home
phone numbers and some addresses).
The people in Charge at Islington Council are:
LEADER OF ISLINGTON COUNCIL - Derek Sawyer
The Deputy Leader is Phil Kelly.
Islington Town Hall, Upper St.
N1 2UD
MAYOR OF ISLINGTON - Meg Hillier
Mayor's Office, Islington Town Hall, Upper St.
N1 2UD
Tel: 0171-477-3113
Fax: 0171-477-3323
Deputy Mayor = Pay Haynes
That deals with the elected officials. The actual council sections that
deal with the issues are:
Regulatory and Planning Services
Head of Service: Ian Crawley
Office Address:
Municipal Offices
P.O.Box 3333,
222 Upper Street
N1 1XR Telephone0171 477 2350
Fax0171 477 2731
Email: IAN.C...@ISLINGTON.GOV.UK
This is a bit or preamble that went with what the service did. It may be
good for a laugh :)
The objective of the new Regulatory and Planning service is To work to
achieve a safer healthier, more attractive and accessible environment
for the present and future generations.
The service will report not only to the new Environment and Leisure
Services committee, but also the Development Control and Street Markets
and Licensing Committee, as well as on occasion to the Housing and
Strategic Planning and Resources Committees.
In 1998/99 the service will employ 220 staff, with net revenue budget of
£6.8 million.
The service has five divisions, each with an assistant Head of Service:
Building control (located at Development House, Barnsbury Complex Block
C), responsible for Building Regulations, Fire Safety, dangerous
structures, access for people with Disabilities, Structural Engineering,
Emergency Planing, CDM (Construction Design and Maintenance Regulations)
Co-ordination.
Consumer services (located at 159 Upper Street) responsible for trading
standards, food, health and safety, scientific services, licensing
applications, animal wardens, Healthy Islington 2000.
Development planning (located at 222 Upper Street) responsible for the
unitary development plan, planning briefs, Channel Tunnel Rail Link and
other major rail projects, area renewal strategies, listed building,
conservation and design, landscape projects, privately-owned trees,
ordnance survey and mapping, the census and development monitoring.
Environmental Health (located at 159 Upper Street) responsible for
dealing with planning applications, planning enforcement, planning
appeals and public inquiries, advertisement applications, and the
Planning Enquiries Office.
And lastly the person that I believe is totally in charge
ISLINGTON COUNCIL - Chief Executive
Islington Town Hall, Upper St.
N1 2UD
Contact: Leisha Fullick
Tel: 0171-477-3062
Fax: 0171-477-3063
Blackbird
Guy
Blackbird
>
> Steve Slimelight wrote:
>
> >
> > Mad to think one week you can drink legally to 7.30, the next you > can't, but if we were a hotel you could.
>
> Lot's of guests and people sleeping in corners? ;)
>
> --
> Talia
I think it would take quite a lot to convince a three year old that
Slimelight is a hotel.. let alone the 'authorities'.
Unfortunately these definitions are normally so vaguely worded in the
relevant documentation that they are quite open to interpretation by
those in charge. They usually have a lot of words like 'reasonable' in
them.. which usually means if they like you.. it's OK.. if they think
your a bunch of wierdo junkies.. uh oh bad news.
--
Guy c/o:
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Whisky Dave
Aconite wrote in message <36CABD31...@dcs.qmw.ac.uk>...
>
>> Perhaps Slime should change the opening hours? 9 pm to 4 a.m? We're
>> thinking of bands being on from 7.30 then at 11 change to a club, and
>> perhaps close at 4. What do you think?
>
>No. Absolutely not.
>you're going to end up with is Torrens Street full of jittery people
>desperately wanting to dance to something.
I'd love to see that what a picture it creates ;-)
>
>I've been thinking a bit more about the whole thing, and it's not as bad
>as I first thought. It's going to change Slimelight, but hopefully not
>kill it.
Yep, I'll miss the sight of people wandering around with bottles
saying Alcohol blatently on the label.
Guess from now on all I'll see is coke & mineral water bottles ;^D
it'll be a hard life, but someone's got to live it.
colin
The Incy Wincy Spider wrote in message ...
><st...@slimelight.com> writes
>>Mouse wrote:
<Much snippage>
>The problem is that Governments have for various reasons (some valid,
>some less so: e.g. reduce alcoholism, increase work rates, stop rowdy
>people being on the streets at all times of night, fear of upsetting the
>Mary Whitehouse Force my morals on you minority, etc.) not wanted to
>change the rules.
>
>Incy
A few years back in Glasgow it was decided that all clubs had to close at 2
am with a curfew on entry at 12 midnight - which destroyed a lot of the club
scene (albeit the more dance orientated scene) as it was then. Things a lot
better now, but it did have an effect - everyone out on the streets at the
same time after drinking more in a shorter space of time and more violence.
If a place will only let you drink until a certain time and people want to
drink later, they will leave. Most people see 'drinking up' time as the end
of the night, no matter how long the place is open for afterwards.
Colin L
...fluid leaking from my brakes
The Incy Wincy Spider
<alic...@yahoo.com> writes
>Here's an idea (and yes I am serious)...
>
>should buy a lottery ticket each week, and if they win, hand the money
>over... As I have said all along, I get one every week at the moment and, if
>I win that's where my money is going...
>
Would it not be just a better idea to just give the pound straight to
Slimelight? The chances of getting to the money needed would be much
better...
Actually having said that (and I do not know the average attendance at
Slimelight), but what would have been the effect of putting the price up
by a pound. Uncle Nemesis's gigs seemed to have survived this. On top of
this Slimelight is an exceptionally cheap club... five pound for a
London club at the weekend is not bad, the alcohol policy makes it very
good cheap and even if what Steve says about beer prices is true then it
is still going to stay fairly cheap. Charging 2 or 3 times this for
admission to clubs in London is not unknown and then you have the beer
prices (try the Hippodrome or Stringfellows if you want to see somebody
really take the ....) and how many other clubs in London stay open till
7?
In fact most clubs make a lot of there profits (if not all of it) form
selling alcohol. Admission normally does not even cover running costs
@(asking promoters who just hire venues, how hard it is to make money).
I also think it is very sad that people have to jump down
Steve's/Slimelight throats. The law may be bad, but it is there... I
suppose things like decent fire precautions are there for a good reason.
I also do not think that the BYOB was the only thing that made the club.
I mean if people only want to stay up to 7 drinking there own alcohol
why bother going out in the first place. Having said that I am sure it
will effect the character, but will it necessarily be bad, or will
people just adapt? Are people really that inflexible?
Incy
The Painted One
> Most people see 'drinking up' time as the end
>of the night, no matter how long the place is open for afterwards.
>
most weeks the lights come on at 3 and I go 'what?' and try and
find my watch. but then I only drink cola and try to pace that.
(why pace cola? Its no fun trying to get to sleep on 8 pints of cola)
Aconite
Blackbird wrote:
>
> .. and they say it's a free country ..
Whoever said that has got some _really_ fucking high strength rose
tinted glasses.
Medusa
In article <36CAC4E3...@slimelight.com>,
Steve Slimelight <st...@slimelight.com> wrote:
>> Face it - the main attraction was its all-night drinking
>Oh fuck the scene, the people and the music then... I only go anywhere
>if I can drink all night. Jesus!?!
This reminds me: Perhaps I should wear my t-shirt which reads "Fuck The
Scene" when I'm next at Slimelight. ;) Now, if it only wasn't white ...
But, it does glow nicely under blacklight. :)
--
Later
. . Medusa . . .
Whisky Dave
Steve Slimelight wrote in message <36CA988D...@slimelight.com>...
wrote lots of scary stuff. :-<>
Steve , I think you need to post a concise guide, something along the lines
of......
These are the few of the things[1]...... etc
The following are examples by Whisky Dave and are NOT factual!
From 20/2
after transistion (1 month)
What can I bring in Bottles of alcohol? No
Bottles of alcohol? No,
but you'll get a ticket
Sentanced to 20 years listening
and collect later.
to Spice girls if caught.
Bottles of soft drink
OK
From 20/2
after transition (1 month)
What can I drink b4 2:00am Anything you buy at bar
Anything you buy at bar +
+ Any BYOB or soft D
any soft D. you bring in.
From 20/2
after transistion (1 month)
What can I drink after 2:20am Bottles of soft drink OK,
only soft D. either bought
either bought in or from
bar. in or from bar.
Bottles of alcohol
exchanged. if found drinking alcohol,
for highly valuable
your chucked out
cloakroom ticket
Also are the door staff going to search you for BYOB (BYOS.D OK)
before you go in.
Can you BYOB to drink b4 2:00am.
Can you BYOB and store in the cloakroom for a party after slimes?
Cheers Steve. :)
One last thing...
Can you email me your original post 'cause I've lost it,
as I'd like to send it out to friends that don't read UPG
because they have a life but still go to the slime.
Thanks
Whisky Dave
[1] Wasn't there a song about that sung by Julia Andrews?
Blackbird
>
> Blackbird wrote:
> >
> > .. and they say it's a free country ..
>
> Whoever said that has got some _really_ fucking high strength rose
> tinted glasses.
Well, yeah.. it could be worse though (like china). And it could be
better (like mixy the pixies fairy land or something).. like the man
said..
it's all relative.
(No wonder Einstien was obsessed with 'relative'ity.. he had an affair
with.. and then married.. his own cousin.)
--
Guy c/o:
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Bob
>Steve Slimelight wrote in message <36CA9754...@slimelight.com>...
>>math...@my-dejanews.com wrote:
>> Is the
>>> use of Speed going to quadruple before the week is out?
>>I expect so...
>Speed is an illegal substance,! you are not allowed to take it.
>Before or after the 2:20am dead-line so there ;^D
Which would be just like the US where the average 18 year old would
get drunk on half a pint, but could do enuf acid to kill a horse.
Bob
Steve Weeks
The Incy Wincy Spider wrote:
> Actually having said that (and I do not know the average attendance at
> Slimelight), but what would have been the effect of putting the price up
> by a pound. Uncle Nemesis's gigs seemed to have survived this. On top of
> this Slimelight is an exceptionally cheap club... five pound for a
> London club at the weekend is not bad,
The problem is Slimelight has only increased in cost from £3 per member to £5
per member in 11 years! Unfortunately over the last few years there have been
many costs associated with the club (council, fire regulations etc), the rent on
the lease has gone up, and the place is not making a profit. Hiring the club out
on Thursdays and Fridays isn't as lucrative as it sounds because we couldn't
charge as much (no bar) and we haven't been making any money from having a bar
which is how most clubs survive.
> In fact most clubs make a lot of there profits (if not all of it) form
> selling alcohol. Admission normally does not even cover running costs
> @(asking promoters who just hire venues, how hard it is to make money).
This is our main problem, but we don't want to rip off the Slime crowd. It's
never been expensive at the Slimelight. It still won't be. We promise that. If we
had our way, you'd be able to bring your own booze, and have a bar in the club
too.
> I also think it is very sad that people have to jump down
> Steve's/Slimelight throats. The law may be bad, but it is there... I
> suppose things like decent fire precautions are there for a good reason.
> I also do not think that the BYOB was the only thing that made the club.
The licensing laws are daft though!!! If we allow people to bring booze, we're
the ones who lose the money, but we're not allowed to do that so that "we can
control consumption". Yeah well, previously if someone gets out of hand at
Slimes, they get thrown out and / or have their drinks taken away. What's changed
this week then????
> Having said that I am sure it
> will effect the character, but will it necessarily be bad, or will
> people just adapt? Are people really that inflexible?
I don't think it will be that much of a change. Like I keep saying, you can still
bring container loads of soft drinks, even after the transition period is over
(at the moment you can still bring your own)
Steve. (now drinking green fruit drinks, coke or lemonade only. honest guv')
Basingstoke
No, you've got it backwards. Most people in the US do their drinking
before they turn 21. After it's legal, it's not so fun anymore.
Basinke
(I've seen it happen more times than I can count.)
Steve Weeks
> >and future works the council want done, that the club finds itself in
> I thought it was just on-going work that had to be done due to new or recent
> fire regulations, i.e you have X years to install etc..
> Regs change every year. e.g. When I put new cabling in I have to abide by
> the
> new regs for earthing which requires a thinker earth cable than was required
> in the
> 16th[1] editionof the IEE bilble.
Well yeah, basically that is exactly what is causing the club to be in debt,
(the on going instructions from council and fire regulations, as well as other
increased costs.)
> >> This sucks big time!
> >>Yes and no. There's a way round most things...
>
> Yeah, I'm taking up drink water from 2:20am, but if I offer you any,
> just have a wee sip.
I'm only drinking coke, lemonade and green fruit drinks.
> >Perhaps Slime should change the opening hours? 9 pm to 4 a.m? We're
> >thinking of bands being on from 7.30 then at 11 change to a club, and
> >perhaps close at 4. What do you think?
> Personally I think it would be a diasaster....
> Bands take up too much space... if it's run like megagoth
> then you won't be able to use one dancefloor for most of the night.
Well, that's not going to happen. Just wondered what people though of the idea.
We may very well have one night a month where we open at 8 and have a few bands
on. We can get the stage taken down afterwards within 30 minutes, and have 2
dance floors back by 11.
Steve
Steve Slimelight
> >This will kill Slimelight. The BYOB policy is one of the best things about
> the
> >club. It won't only be the end of an era, it will be the end of the club.
> Well that was bloody helpful and constructive wasn't it? I'm glad you
> contributed to this discussion.
> Squid
Quite.
Steve Slimelight
> Scene" when I'm next at Slimelight. ;) Now, if it only wasn't white ...
> But, it does glow nicely under blacklight. :)
> --
> Later
>
> . . Medusa . . .
Sounds quite cool. Do it!!!
Steve.
Aliceavia
>Would it not be just a better idea to just give the pound straight to
>Slimelight? The chances of getting to the money needed would be much
>better...
I do agree, however, I was just trying to make the point :
"if it was just the money that was the problem - we could get it somehow
(eventually)...."
I don't usually drink up Slimes (unless you count that terrible time last
boxing day - sorry again...), as I tend to drive there and back. But it
would be nice to still BYO every now and then when I feel like it... And I
will agree that part f the atmosphere of Slimes is it's difference from
other places, on the other hand it is not the main reason to go there...
The problem I have with this is the "freedom of the individual" angle. WE
(read: the customers) choose to go to a club and become members. WE have
made a choice. THEY (read: council & police) are telling us what we can and
can't do whilst moving the goal posts. I know I don't explain any of this
very well, but I just think it should be up to US and SLIMES (as MEMBERS and
a PRIVATE club) to have a say... After all this is not a playgroup, we are
all adults aren't we? I just feel (as with the re-admission thing) that THEY
dangle this "carrot of CLOSURE" about too much...
Putting the price up may help, but that is only part of the story. How do
WE (the customers) get to keep things in order I wonder?
I know, in time, everything must/will change, but that doesn't make it any
easier to take.
Later.
Alice[ia] - Wonderland was a much sweeter place!
Lee Edward Armstrong
Blackbird wrote:
> I think it would take quite a lot to convince a three year old that
> Slimelight is a hotel.. let alone the 'authorities'.
>
> Unfortunately these definitions are normally so vaguely worded in the
> relevant documentation that they are quite open to interpretation by
> those in charge. They usually have a lot of words like 'reasonable' in
> them.. which usually means if they like you.. it's OK.. if they think
> your a bunch of wierdo junkies.. uh oh bad news.
Hmmm...could always spike thier G&T's with some of the stranger
chemicals found in slime =;-)
Might make it easier for 'em to be convinced its a hotel / aircraft /
off shore depository....whatever
Cya,
Lee
Karl
Aliceavia wrote
>After all this is not a playgroup, we are
>all adults aren't we?
This IMHO is one of the problems. We aren't all Adults at all. There is on
age limit I am aware of at Slimes[1] and legally we won't all be adults.
Karl
[1] At least I was a member when I was fourteen so I guess not.
Ben Wilson
<da...@eureka.elec.qmw.ac.uk> writes
>>you're going to end up with is Torrens Street full of jittery people
>>desperately wanting to dance to something.
>
>I'd love to see that what a picture it creates ;-)
Go up to the techno floor and get Rex to stop one of his tracks in the
middle. Watch all the drug crazed lemming run around like headless
chickens. <pant> DANCE..<pant>..DANCE..<pant>..I GOTTA DANCE!!!!
>
>>
>>I've been thinking a bit more about the whole thing, and it's not as bad
>>as I first thought. It's going to change Slimelight, but hopefully not
>>kill it.
Hmmm.... jittery ppl desperately wanting to dance to something??? You
just see it as a oppurtunity for more techno };oP
--
Ben 'Morgoth' Wilson
DJing @ Malice, Wag, Tenebrae,
and now - Whitby Gothic Weekend April '99
E-mail: dj...@armoury1.demon.co.uk
Alexander
>I appreciate that Slimelight needs the extra revenue generated by the
>bar..
Do you? I don't.
AFAIK Slimelight has been doing okay for the many years that it's been
running up to now. In fact, I'm sure the door prices used to be a tad
more expensive, but they were able to reduce them to the levels that
they are at now.
A few months ago, news of a bar at Slimelight seemed like a brilliant
idea, altough, nobody seemed to realise what the full implications
were then. I think somebody should have done a little bit more
research into the licensing laws before diving head first into, what
appears to be, a really *bad* idea.
The end of an era? This will be the end of Slimelight; it's no longer
going to be an exclusive & *special* club and will open itself up to
competition from other clubs, that I'm sure, will start appearing on a
Saturday night. Nobody wanted to do a rival night on a Saturday
because they knew that they wouldn't be able to compete with
Slimelight; several places tried, but soon died a death. But seeing as
it's a level playing field now, Slimelight will become 'just another
goth club', Slimelight has lost the ace up it's sleeve...
In recent months, Slimelight has often been half-empty by 4/5am, but
now that there is even less of a reason to stay on past 2am I feel
that the London night buses will be getting a lot more business. In
fact, if this all goes through, I wouldn't be suprised if the
management changed the closing times sooner or later.
OTOH, the Slimelight crowd may adapt to the new rules and Slimelight
will continue as it always has done, but what a rediculous risk to
take: if it's not broken, don't fix it...
"No, this yellow liguid in this water bottle isn't cider, it's...
errr... fizzy urine"
~Alexander - Back from the brink of non-existance
Are you a net.goth?: http://www.alexander.darkwave.org.uk/
Next DJing at Malice Underground - 23rd February 1999
All my quotes were lost too. Arse.
Aconite
> > Scene" when I'm next at Slimelight. ;)
You'd be a bit behind the times. I know people who've been attempting to
fuck the scene, one by one[1] for years.
Aconite
[1] With occasional threesomes
Aconite
> A few months ago, news of a bar at Slimelight seemed like a brilliant
> idea, altough, nobody seemed to realise what the full implications
> were then. I think somebody should have done a little bit more
> research into the licensing laws before diving head first into, what
> appears to be, a really *bad* idea.
They don't have a choice. They can't afford not to open a bar.
> The end of an era? This will be the end of Slimelight; it's no longer
> going to be an exclusive & *special* club and will open itself up to
> competition from other clubs, that I'm sure, will start appearing on a
> Saturday night. Nobody wanted to do a rival night on a Saturday
> because they knew that they wouldn't be able to compete with
> Slimelight; several places tried, but soon died a death. But seeing as
> it's a level playing field now, Slimelight will become 'just another
> goth club', Slimelight has lost the ace up it's sleeve...
Bollocks.
No other club on a Saturday has managed to offer 2 dancefloors, a
variety of music (whether you like the music or not), and now
off-license prices at the bar, and closing at 7:30AM.
I doubt anyone can.
I really don't think that alcohol is Slimelights only advantage over
anywhere else.
My initial reaction was very much "Oh no, this will kill the
slimelight". But with a bit more reflection, and reading through the
rest of the posts in the thread, I'm not sure it's going to make a huge
amount of difference.
Just remember, alcohol with a mixer doesn't look like alcohol. People
are used to being "discrete" with other substances, I'm sure alcohol
won't be that much of a problem.
> OTOH, the Slimelight crowd may adapt to the new rules and Slimelight
> will continue as it always has done, but what a rediculous risk to
> take: if it's not broken, don't fix it...
Unless there is no other choice.
As has been said several times in the thread, the council want all kinds
of silly things doing to the building.
Silly expensive things. Slimelight have to raise the money somehow.
They're not putting the bar in because they think it's a good thing for
Slimeilght, they're trying to keep Electrowerkz going.
I'd rather have Slimeilght without alcohol, than no slimelight,
trancentral, etc than anything else.
Aconite
Steve Slimelight
> >I appreciate that Slimelight needs the extra revenue generated by the
> >bar..
>
> Do you? I don't.
We've been waiting for this one from Alexander...
> AFAIK Slimelight has been doing okay for the many years that it's been
> running up to now.
Not strictly true. Look at all the work that had to be done because the
council wanted the club to have an entertainments license and so on.
This and the continuing "you must have x and y by August 1999" etc
instructions has put strain on the Slimelight. Why do you think upstairs
shut down??? I've told you various stories about Slimes and money, yet
you then post this?
> In fact, I'm sure the door prices used to be a tad
> more expensive, but they were able to reduce them to the levels that
> they are at now.
That's totally not true. Absolute nonsense. It was £3 and £5 in 1998, at
some point later changed to £3 and £6, then about 3 years ago went up to
£5 and £8.
> The end of an era? This will be the end of Slimelight;
Oh God... what about the crowd, the music, the place??? It will not be
the end of Slimelight. You DJ at Malice. Will this close down because t
has a bar??? I know Slimes finishes much later, but you can drink soft
drinks all night and bring your own soft drinks forever... We only got
best club on your UPG poll because of "bring your own drink"? I doubt
it. Do you know how many people turn up and say "where's the bar then?",
do you know how many clubs operate all night on Saturdays who already
have bars? (I admit, different music).
> it's no longer
> going to be an exclusive & *special* club and will open itself up to
> competition from other clubs, that I'm sure, will start appearing on a
> Saturday night. Nobody wanted to do a rival night on a Saturday
> because they knew that they wouldn't be able to compete with
> Slimelight; several places tried, but soon died a death. But seeing as
> it's a level playing field now, Slimelight will become 'just another
> goth club', Slimelight has lost the ace up it's sleeve...
No it hasn't. How easy will it be to find a club to hire at a decent
rental that has 2 dance floors, will stay open to 7.30 *and* will sell
drinks at *off license prices*... Slimes also has a strong reputation
which isn't mainly based on "bring your own drink"...
Anyone trying to go up against the Ballroom on a Friday hasn't had much
luck either... and the popular opinion here is that the music there is
awful.
> OTOH, the Slimelight crowd may adapt to the new rules and Slimelight
> will continue as it always has done, but what a rediculous risk to
> take: if it's not broken, don't fix it...
There wasn't much of a choice... THE AUTHORITIES didn't like Slimes not
having a license. Most clubs make the money at the bar. We don't have
one, we don't make money. It's the non-Slime rentals that will get stung
at normal London rip-off prices, not the Slime events where drink will
be cheap. We'd rather have a bar that could serve all night and a bring
your own drink too policy. We're not allowed it.
You see, it isn't a case of "not broken, don't fix it".
Steve.
> "No, this yellow liguid in this water bottle isn't cider, it's...
> errr... fizzy urine"
if you substitute a black tango bottle for your water bottle, well it's
just tango isn't it? They're re-usable too!
Steve Slimelight
> some point later changed to £3 and £6, then about 3 years ago went up to
> £5 and £8.
Of course that should be 1988...
Whisky Dave
Lee Edward Armstrong wrote in message <36CAECA1...@darkwave.org.uk>...
>Hiya,
>
>
>Hmmm...could always spike thier G&T's with some of the stranger
>chemicals found in slime =;-)
You mean all that lovely cat litter they put on the floor,
guy ruth hammond
> Bollocks.
> No other club on a Saturday has managed to offer 2 dancefloors, a
> variety of music (whether you like the music or not), and now
> off-license prices at the bar, and closing at 7:30AM.
> I doubt anyone can.
> I really don't think that alcohol is Slimelights only advantage over
> anywhere else.
well, it depends - there are plenty of techno clubs open all saturday
night. the reason i go to slimelight at all would completely disappear
if my friends didn't go - let's face it, the music is the same tired
boring crap they've been churning out for the past 5 years, the
dancefloors are far too crowded to even move on, there's nowhere
to chill out, &c &c.
> Just remember, alcohol with a mixer doesn't look like alcohol. People
> are used to being "discrete" with other substances, I'm sure alcohol
> won't be that much of a problem.
till one person gets caught, the law gets involved and no-one can even
bring any drinks in...
> I'd rather have Slimeilght without alcohol, than no slimelight,
> trancentral, etc than anything else.
agreed.
--
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Phildo
Steve Slimelight <st...@slimelight.com> wrote in message
news:36CA9A45...@slimelight.com...
>Greylock wrote:
>
>> >This will kill Slimelight. The BYOB policy is one of the best things about
the
>
>> It might not.
>> There was a club here, in Perth, called Interzone which had a BYOB policy,
and
>> probably would have had similar council problems as Slimelight seems to
have
> had.
>
>Hurrah! The voice of reason!!!
Just because they agree with you doesn't make them right :>p
Having received a strange email this morning though I agree with Aconite that
it will change the club but not kill it.
Phildo
ICQ 15290022
Whisky Dave
Alexander wrote in message <36cae4fd...@news.easynet.co.uk>...
>On Tue, 16 Feb 1999 23:53:14 GMT, Valkyrie wrote:
>
>
>A few months ago, news of a bar at Slimelight seemed like a brilliant
>idea, altough, nobody seemed to realise what the full implications
>were then. I think somebody should have done a little bit more
>research into the licensing laws before diving head first into, what
>appears to be, a really *bad* idea.
As I see it I don''t think the bar makes any difference.
The law is the law whether there's a bar or not.
I think slime has had a licence for some time, it has to enforce
the law now they have a licence though, before this I guess the police
though we we're all technio freaks drinking water. :-<>
God the shame of it all.
>
>The end of an era? This will be the end of Slimelight; it's no longer
>going to be an exclusive & *special* club and will open itself up to
>competition from other clubs, that I'm sure, will start appearing on a
>Saturday night. Nobody wanted to do a rival night on a Saturday
>because they knew that they wouldn't be able to compete with
>Slimelight; several places tried,
Well if there's any other club that allows you to bring your own soft drinks
then let them go for it...
Even Sacrilidge didn't allow that!
Niether do Gossips or any other club.
>In recent months, Slimelight has often been half-empty by 4/5am,
Not in the recent 3 weeks,
>but
>now that there is even less of a reason to stay on past 2am I feel
>that the London night buses will be getting a lot more business. In
>fact, if this all goes through, I wouldn't be suprised if the
>management changed the closing times sooner or later.
We'll see when things settle down.
Poeple said the same when upstairs closed.
>>
>"No, this yellow liguid in this water bottle isn't cider, it's...
> errr... fizzy urine"
Well I won't be tasting it to test it will anyone else?.
Unless you're referring to my cocktails as piss! ;-)
jin...@my-dejanews.com
will still be allowed to bring our own alcoholic drinks? I'm trying to
organise a posse to travel down from Cambridge next week (27th Feb), and I'd
like to know which tactics to employ in drink-buying...
Jinx.
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Medusa
In article <36CAF4...@dial.pipex.com>,
Aconite <aco...@dial.pipex.com> wrote:
>> > This reminds me: Perhaps I should wear my t-shirt which reads "Fuck The
>> > Scene" when I'm next at Slimelight. ;)
>You'd be a bit behind the times. I know people who've been attempting to
>fuck the scene, one by one[1] for years.
That wasn't the reference I was going for.
Steve Slimelight
> well, it depends - there are plenty of techno clubs open all saturday
> night. the reason i go to slimelight at all would completely disappear
> if my friends didn't go - let's face it, the music is the same tired
> boring crap they've been churning out for the past 5 years, the
> dancefloors are far too crowded to even move on, there's nowhere
> to chill out, &c &c.
Slimelight isn't just a techno club. As for the music being the same for
5 years, this is a huge sweeping generalisation that just isn't true in
reality. 5 years ago, upstairs was dead industrial, something that floor
has been accused of *not* playing anymore on this very newsgroup, so
there's a lovely contradiction for you!?! As for the goth floor, yeah
some of the bands are the same which has to be expected, but there's a
lot of newer stuff too, like every other goth/related club in the
country.
Steve.
William Lingwood
>
> Steve Slimelight wrote in message <36C9FA6A...@slimelight.com>...
>
> >from SATURDAY FEB 20th 1999 there will be a
> >licensed bar at the club. This isn't as handy as it first seems. Current
> >licensing laws mean that the bar must close at 2 a.m. with 20 minutes
> >drinking up time. Any alcohol seen after that point by staff must be
> >confiscated (You'll be given a cloakroom ticket to get it back at the
> >end of the night when it becomes quite legal for you to drink it in the
> >streets of London!!!),
ok... i missed the original post, can anyone explain this to me??
so slimes is getting a bar: fine. ok. no problems here.
however BYOB booze has to be gone by 2am: fine- mine doesn't last much
longer than this anyway.
however- BYOB booze will be stopped after a while- is this right? that
would be annoying.
however- soft drink will be allowed- do i see a loophole here??? i mean
most people i see drinking in slimes look like they're consuming soft
drinks- however their subsequent behavouir doesn't tall with this... so
if there aren't any random spot checks on the 'soft' drink bottles, i
see no problem...
and finally- open from 7-4: nooo. this would be a BAD idea. i like to be
able to get the tube at 7 am, and also i like to spend some time with my
family (brave arn't i??) before heading down to slimes.
so on the whole most of this seems ok. anyone who thinks the club'll die
because of it ios being a bit silly and over-reactionary.
however i'd like someone to conform or deny or otherwise clear up my
above questions... i'm all confused...
-orfeo
William Lingwood
>
> Aconite wrote:
> >
> > Blackbird wrote:
> > >
> > > .. and they say it's a free country ..
it is. but we're only free to do certain things.;)
> > Whoever said that has got some _really_ fucking high strength rose
> > tinted glasses.
can i have some?
> Well, yeah.. it could be worse though (like china). And it could be
> better (like mixy the pixies fairy land or something).. like the man
> said..
and wot's wrong wiv faeries???
> it's all relative.
nononono, it's all SUBJECTIVE!!!
-orfeo
William Lingwood
> I've been thinking a bit more about the whole thing, and it's not as bad
> as I first thought. It's going to change Slimelight, but hopefully not
> kill it.
i agree with this view- it;s gonna be different, but as long as the
times arn't fucked with, it's still gonna be as much fun, after we've
all adjusted.
-orfeo
William Lingwood
> That IMO is utter tosh. So none of you will come to Slimes because it
> doesn't look like the inside of a provincial club. Hmm. Red velvet
> anyone?!?!? :-)
only on my shirt.
> Face it -
> > the main attraction was its all-night drinking
>
> Oh fuck the scene, the people and the music then... I only go anywhere
> if I can drink all night. Jesus!?!
no, the main attraction for me is just the all-night part. it's an arse
getting home form the ballroom or gossips.
for the third time, i'll say this: as long as the times don't change
i'll be happy.
if the soft drinks we'll be allowed won't be checked, i'll be even
happier.
remember, kiddies: it's all subjective, and everything changes. 6 months
time, you won't know the difference.
-orfeo
Alexander
>Also the other problem what happens when it gets to 2.20? If you still
>have half a can or a bottle is it confiscated, I presume you have to
>finish it by drinking up time, but if it is a bottle of wine or can, it
>is (a) not going to be wonderfully drinkable by the time person leaves
>and 2 if it is not easily reseal able they would be severely tempted to
>consume it immediately outside Slimelight causing more problems?
Probably a case of the bouncers chasing the punters round Slimelight
for their drinks.
A bit like pacman chasing ghosts.
--
Alexander
<st...@slimelight.com> wrote:
>Slimelight was charging £3 and £5 in 1988. We now charge £5 and £8.
>However, other costs we can't control have increased by far more a
>percentage than that.
Then why not keep Slimelight as it is and up the door entry? Even if
you were doing £10 for members and £15 for guests (as you do on New
Year's Eve) people would still turn up. In comparison, Full Tilt
charges £5 entry and £4 for members and is only half as long in
duration.
Oddly enough, the EB bar closes at 2am as well, but Full Tilt only
goes onto 3.30am. If you kept Slime as it is and upped the door prices
to maybe £8 for members and £13 for guests, then you would still make
an increased profit (probably more than making 20p on a can of beer)
and keep Slimelight the way it is (and the punters happy).
Ian Sturrock
eserve.co.uk> writes
>
>Steve Slimelight wrote in message <36C9FE30...@slimelight.com>...
>
>>If this does kill the club, then it'll prove how fickle people are. Are any
>of
>>Pete Scathe's clubs dead because they have a bar? Will the Kit-Kat close
>down in 2
>>weeks because it has a bar? Will Malice Underground and Tenabrae cease
>because
>>they have a bar? Will the Underworld in Manchester close down because it
>has a
>>bar? Need I go on...?
>
>
>Erm, Kit-Kat and Malice do not carry on for about another 5 hours after
>drink-up time.
But the Manchester Underworld does - the Friday night is an all-nighter,
drink-up by 2:20, club open till 7, just like Slimelight is going to be.
Admittedly the goth DJs usually pack up by about 4 or 5am (though the
main room still plays rock music &c), but this is more down to most of
the goths having gone home by then than anything else - I'm sure that
the number of people who go to Slimes, & the trickiness of getting home
before 7am, and tradition, would combine to ensure that enough people
stayed till 7 to make it viable there.
--
"I am a free prince, and I have as much authority to make war on the whole world
as he who has a hundred sail of ships at sea, and an army of 100,000 men in the
field, and thus my conscience tells me." (Captain Bellamy. A Pirate)
Phildo
Richard Steer <rst...@ea.com> wrote in message
news:36cab...@159.153.58.247...
>Phildo wrote in message ...
>the
>
>Well that was bloody helpful and constructive wasn't it? I'm glad you
>contributed to this discussion.
And what is wrong with posting my opinion? The original post didn't ask for
suggestions or ideas so I had no incentive to be "helpful and constructive". I
just posted what I thought about it. It was only later on when it got into a
proper discussion that helpful suggestions were made.
Then again flaming me for posting my opinion was also most "bloody helpful and
constructive". Well done. Thanks for your contribution. Now fuck off.
Phildo
ICQ 15290022
Alexander
>> Do you? I don't.
>
>We've been waiting for this one from Alexander...
I would suggest you find better ways to spend your time.
Gimme a break. I disappear for a week to find out the shit's hit the
fan, especially a fan that I'm currently using >;P
>Not strictly true. Look at all the work that had to be done because the
>council wanted the club to have an entertainments license and so on.
>This and the continuing "you must have x and y by August 1999" etc
>instructions has put strain on the Slimelight. Why do you think upstairs
>shut down??? I've told you various stories about Slimes and money, yet
>you then post this?
You told me about the need of a fire escape causing the upstairs goth
floor to shut down, and that was about it. The goth floor was moved,
but the overall format of Slimelight was kept the same. But after
reading the latest posts; okay, I didn't realise why Slimey needed the
money so desperately, although this latest rocking of the boat might
just cause a capsizing.
>That's totally not true. Absolute nonsense. It was £3 and £5 in 1998, at
>some point later changed to £3 and £6, then about 3 years ago went up to
>£5 and £8.
Fair enough. I knew the prices *changed* at some point. Or maybe it
just felt more expensive when I wasn't paying membership...
>> The end of an era? This will be the end of Slimelight;
>
>Oh God... what about the crowd, the music, the place??? It will not be
>the end of Slimelight. You DJ at Malice. Will this close down because t
>has a bar???
The bar isn't the issue (well it is).
The issue is that Slimelight is going to turn into "just another
club". You can find "the crowd" and "the music" at other clubs.
Slimelight is... was special due to the BYOB format, one of a kind. If
it loses that it's not special anymore, it becomes 'just another goth
club' and so there's no special reason to go there anymore. Especially
if somebody sets up a rival goth club on a Saturday, Slimelight may
not win that one if it's playing with different rules.
>I know Slimes finishes much later, but you can drink soft
>drinks all night and bring your own soft drinks forever...
Wow.
I often go out to the pub or to a club to drink soft drinks.
Honest.
>We only got
>best club on your UPG poll because of "bring your own drink"? I doubt
>it. Do you know how many people turn up and say "where's the bar then?",
>do you know how many clubs operate all night on Saturdays who already
>have bars? (I admit, different music).
But the BYOB policy made Slimelight special! If I started a club last
year, on a Saturday, with a bar, then it would have lost out to
Slimelight. There were some clubs that did this, but the attitude was
always "Slimlight goes on for longer, and you can sit there and drink
your own beer all night, we're going to that". But now the only
difference is that Slimelight's bar prices will be slightly cheaper,
but then, that never stopped anyone; look at Nefarious and Electric
Dreams. Nefarious starts up, the drinks are more expensive, but
Gossips is half as full.
>No it hasn't. How easy will it be to find a club to hire at a decent
>rental that has 2 dance floors, will stay open to 7.30 *and* will sell
>drinks at *off license prices*... Slimes also has a strong reputation
>which isn't mainly based on "bring your own drink"...
Not easy. But it's easier to see two clubs popping up on a Saturday,
one industrial and one goth, that would provide competition to
Slimelight. As I've said above with Nefarious, cheaper drinks isn't a
winning strategy. As for 7.30, other clubs seem to do quite well
opening till 3.30/4; because I don't think the closing time is a major
factor in deciding what club to go to.
>Anyone trying to go up against the Ballroom on a Friday hasn't had much
>luck either... and the popular opinion here is that the music there is
>awful.
Tenebrae does quite well for the goth crowd. Rockscene for the metal
crowd. Any number of clubs for the dodgy techno crowd. All it needs is
a straight goth, or straight industrial night to come along and
Slimelight will start losing punters, irrespective of longer opening
hours or slightly cheaper beer.
>> OTOH, the Slimelight crowd may adapt to the new rules and Slimelight
>> will continue as it always has done, but what a rediculous risk to
>> take: if it's not broken, don't fix it...
>
>There wasn't much of a choice... THE AUTHORITIES didn't like Slimes not
>having a license.
The authorities probably don't like goths, or clubs for that matter,
anyway. Did they force Slimelight to take a license?
>Most clubs make the money at the bar. We don't have
>one, we don't make money.
As I've seen elsewhere on this thread, there are other options. The
best, I believe, would be to raise the door prices a tad.
Of course, time will tell which of us is right or wrong, and then one
of us can tell the other "I told you so" ;)
>> "No, this yellow liguid in this water bottle isn't cider, it's...
>> errr... fizzy urine"
>
>if you substitute a black tango bottle for your water bottle, well it's
>just tango isn't it? They're re-usable too!
That would mean i would have to drink blackcurrant Tango beforehand ;P
felidae
Steve Slimelight <st...@slimelight.com> wrote:
>We are also
>being allowed a transitional period where you can still bring your own
>booze. Unfortunately, you have to drink if by 2.20 a.m as per the
>license. You can drink soft drinks all night though.
Blimey !! In my case that means having 1hour 20mins to drink all my stuff.
I have a feeling that will be rather bad for my equalibrium (sp).
felidae