Gary Numan - is he goth?
Shock Tuber
I'm off to see Gaz Numan later this week, and I was wondering... is
Gazza goth? No I don't mean Paul Gascoigne, I don't think he's ever been
goth ( maybe someone might know some dark gothy secret that confirms
Gazza's goth credentials)
I reckon several things and they are as follows-
1 Gaz Numan ROCKS
2 Radio 1 play bum-splat and so do Xrapital FM radio.
3 I need some more beer.
If anyone wants to flame me about any of the above points please do, and
if you're going to see Numan this weekend, let me know and we'll drink
beer together. (This is always a good idea ;-) )
Hope you're all feeling great,
Johnny ST
Pwl
Hehe, believe GN does not claim/admit to being goffy. So what is new
about that, hehe? But hey, with such powerfully dark vocals, bleak lyrics
of poetic subtlety, and a tendency to wear black and mope in corners....
Let me call the analogous bloody shovel a gravedigging implement, hmmm?
Perhaps a bit too melodic and well-produced to be considered Mainstream
Goth though. [spraying pre-blackened feathers with petrol] BTW, he is not
mainstream anything else, imnsho. Which ought to credit the guy with some
bonus gothpoints. (:>) I claim GN as genuinely-dark British Genius. CAW!
Let one who is without darkness strike the first match. Absolution to the
rest of you. [bows and flutters off to Dead Heaven] Burn the prophets of
reason then: I'm waiting for dominion day and praying to the aliens.
Eh, hope you enjoy the gig then! Gi'us a caw-report by email if you would
be so kind? Know a few others of faraway-skies who would like to hear
about the tour. Hr'k-hr'k?
Regards from Pwl, Sad Little Hroec.
http://www.ptech.demon.co.uk/pwl/index.htm
Pete Scathe
>
>I'm off to see Gaz Numan later this week, and I was wondering... is
>Gazza goth?
About as goth as Fad Gadget :)
ie not viewed as goth[1] back then, but bearing a certain resemblance to
modern goth...
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[1] more Futurist...
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SiN
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CiPHER
>
> Hello UKPG
>
> I'm off to see Gaz Numan later this week, and I was wondering... is
> Gazza goth?
Hmmm... his wife is.
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> > I'm off to see Gaz Numan later this week, and I was wondering... is
> > Gazza goth?
>
> Hmmm... his wife is.
I watched Gary Numan's don't fade away a couple of years back, before then I
hadn't heard any goth music. He played in his favourite music/videos The
Sisters - This Corrosion, and told a story about how he tried to chat up
Patsy, The Mission - Tower of Strength, NIN - Head like a hole & Bowie can't
remember the track. It's really when I started taking an interest in music
in general. Then there was that Vinyl Justice on the Adam and Joe show,
where they riffled through his music sections, It was so goth it even had a
copy of the Muppets, Phenomina. Oh and then there was his last album. I
would say yes.
Lord Nhudri
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>
> Hello UKPG
>
> goth ( maybe someone might know some dark gothy secret that confirms
> Gazza's goth credentials)
I wouldn't know, but he is *damn* good, whatever he is. Cars is a work
of genius, as is the rest of "The Pleasure Principle" - that is the only
GN album I currently own, but I intend to expand the collection soon.
Lee
Nicholas Edge
Shock Tuber <redn...@zetnet.co.uk> wrote in message
news:375C6601...@zetnet.co.uk...
> Hello UKPG
>
> I'm off to see Gaz Numan later this week, and I was wondering... is
> Gazza goth? No I don't mean Paul Gascoigne, I don't think he's ever been
> goth ( maybe someone might know some dark gothy secret that confirms
> Gazza's goth credentials)
>
>
> 1 Gaz Numan ROCKS
> 2 Radio 1 play bum-splat and so do Xrapital FM radio.
> 3 I need some more beer.
>
> If anyone wants to flame me about any of the above points please do, and
> if you're going to see Numan this weekend, let me know and we'll drink
> beer together. (This is always a good idea ;-) )
>
> Hope you're all feeling great,
>
> Johnny ST
>
>
I think its definatley time for more beer, unfortunately I'm not going :(,
but....
if anyone's drinking tea/coffee/blood/oil etc while reading this post, join
me and raise your glass to more beer and Johnny ST for his excellant
suggestion!!!
BEER!
:)
Kink
andy heaps
<redn...@zetnet.co.uk> writes
>Hello UKPG
>
>I'm off to see Gaz Numan later this week, and I was wondering... is
>Gazza goth?
Vickie and I reckon so. If Puressence, (who have only done 3 gothy songs
on a whole album) and Garbage (whose #1 crush is GAF and the albums
darkly gothish) can get the Goth seal of approval then Gazza should too.
His last lp "Exile" is definitely dark synthi-goth, darkwave or whatever
the latest description of the genre should be. His recent show in
Nottingham was brilliant we're just sorry we can't make London.
Anyone who can appear on stage wearing a black cassock and dance like a
cross between Pinhead and Flat Eric gets our vote.
in Love & LVX
andy & vickie heaps
Penguin Boy
>
> Vickie and I reckon so. If Puressence, (who have only done 3 gothy songs
> on a whole album) and Garbage (whose #1 crush is GAF and the albums
> darkly gothish) can get the Goth seal of approval then Gazza should too.
> His last lp "Exile" is definitely dark synthi-goth, darkwave or whatever
> the latest description of the genre should be. His recent show in
> Nottingham was brilliant we're just sorry we can't make London.
What is all the fuss about? The Gary Numan I've heard (the big eighties
hits) sounds like grossly commercial synth-pop. I don't know about
Puressence, but Garbage just sound like trendy b*ll*cks to me - and
Kelly agrees with me (for once)!
AP
NP: Puissance - Behold the Valiant Misanthropist
Dave (Exile)
> of genius, as is the rest of "The Pleasure Principle" - that is the only
> GN album I currently own, but I intend to expand the collection soon.
The later stuff is very dark and atmospheric. IMO there are at least two
albums well worth checking out, Sacrifice and Exile - the latter's so good I
named a club after it.
----------------------------------------------------
Dave
(Next Exile: Friday 2nd July)
CiPHER
> What is all the fuss about? The Gary Numan I've heard (the big eighties
> hits) sounds like grossly commercial synth-pop.
Then listen to his last album, Exile, and you'll see what the fuss is
about.
Pete Scathe
>>Gazza goth?
>
>on a whole album)
Which album? The first or the second?
I'm not claiming that Puressence are especially "gothy" or anything,
they're just plain brilliant, but the first album is a lot more
Chameleons/JD/etc than the second...
> and Garbage (whose #1 crush is GAF and the albums
>darkly gothish) can get the Goth seal of approval then Gazza should too.
I think Gazza's had the "goth seal of approval" for a very long time...
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Penguin Boy
>
> Penguin Boy wrote:
> > What is all the fuss about? The Gary Numan I've heard (the big eighties
> > hits) sounds like grossly commercial synth-pop.
>
> Then listen to his last album, Exile, and you'll see what the fuss is
> about.
Righto. I thought there must be *something* interesting going on for
Inertia to support him.
AP
Shock Tube
>
>
>
> I think its definatley time for more beer, unfortunately I'm not going :(,
> but....
>
> if anyone's drinking tea/coffee/blood/oil etc while reading this post, join
> me and raise your glass to more beer and Johnny ST for his excellant
> suggestion!!!
>
> BEER!
>
> :)
>
> Kink
Hello all
<CLINK!> cheers, mate! I'm thirsty now so I'm down to the OFF LICENCE! (mmmm!
Off Licence!) for some GUINNESS! OFFICIAL!!! Sorry I was just reading old
Brute! comics. (Strange feeling now I associate the graphic style with
KMFDMDFMK entirely.)
I know goths who smoke black sobranies or Black Cat or JPS because they are
doomesque and glumtacularly packaged. Following this logic Guinness (mmmm!
Guinness!) should be drunk exclusively by goths as it has such a high
blackosity quotient (sorry, for all the made-up words, it probably makes this
mail most deprantic in its peritrumbociousness.)
I probably drink it because the 1/2 of me that's Irish is the top 1/2.
Anyway, they don't make a drink for Rivetheads, it'd have to be served in rusty
steel cups and you suck it down a printer lead.
I'm glad that (de) Mesh (mode) will be the support tomorrow. They rock a little
too.
All hail to you at UPG, may your trousers ever stay at waist-level.
Johnny "Shock Tube" (off to the offie)
andy heaps
<pe...@scathe.demon.co.uk> writes
>andy heaps <anh...@anhlvx.demon.co.uk> wrote
>>In article <375C6601...@zetnet.co.uk>, Shock Tuber
>><redn...@zetnet.co.uk> writes
>>>
>>>I'm off to see Gaz Numan later this week, and I was wondering... is
>>>Gazza goth?
>>
>>Vickie and I reckon so. If Puressence, (who have only done 3 gothy songs
>>on a whole album)
>
>Which album? The first or the second?
once the "string section" cut in. But there are definitely enough gothy
songs to give it modern goth credentials; the first track is brilliant.
To us the album seemed over produced (we can only hope they are better
live) too many strings and vocals that can occasionally sound like
"Larry the Lamb"(Sorry it's just our opinion) but it really spoiled the
moment.
>
>I'm not claiming that Puressence are especially "gothy" or anything,
>they're just plain brilliant, but the first album is a lot more
>Chameleons/JD/etc than the second...
It's o.k. we know you like the band :-)
There was no intent on our part to infer that either Garbage (who we
both adore and have indeed met in person) or Puressence were
particularly goth or particularly bad. Or even if they are goth or not.
We just used them as examples of mainstream bands (as Gary Numan once
was) who have been given acceptence into the Gothic Pantheon and whose
output is easily placed in both the mainstream music and goth camps.
Another example could have been Massive Attack's "Mezzanine". The album
wins lots of goth points on UPG and we're happy to have it in our
collection. But if we're honest it often recycles old Cocteau Twin
grooves. In our insignificant opinion Liz Frazer made the album
interesting and gothy. At least Tin Tin Out were honest enough to admit
they put a drum and rhythm track over an old Sunday's song. Massive
Attack could have done the same with the Cocteaus's but it wouldn't have
sounded quite as good as they did. Thankfully they resisted the
temptation and Mezzanine is all the better for it.
Anyway in any case neither of us agree in any attempt to classify
music.
"If it sounds good to you then listen to it" has been our mantra for
many years.
Music is a science in itself and also a universal language. Ours is not
the place to judge. Let the Gods decide.
Nicholas Edge
Shock Tube <redn...@zetnet.co.uk> wrote in message
news:37615864...@zetnet.co.uk...
> Nicholas Edge wrote:
>
> >
> >
> >
> > I think its definatley time for more beer, unfortunately I'm not going
:(,
> > but....
> >
> > if anyone's drinking tea/coffee/blood/oil etc while reading this post,
join
> > me and raise your glass to more beer and Johnny ST for his excellant
> > suggestion!!!
> >
> > BEER!
> >
> > :)
> >
> > Kink
>
> Hello all
>
> <CLINK!> cheers, mate! I'm thirsty now so I'm down to the OFF LICENCE!
(mmmm!
> Off Licence!) for some GUINNESS! OFFICIAL!!! Sorry I was just reading old
> Brute! comics. (Strange feeling now I associate the graphic style with
> KMFDMDFMK entirely.)
>
> I know goths who smoke black sobranies or Black Cat or JPS because they
are
> doomesque and glumtacularly packaged. Following this logic Guinness (mmmm!
> Guinness!) should be drunk exclusively by goths as it has such a high
> blackosity quotient (sorry, for all the made-up words, it probably makes
this
> mail most deprantic in its peritrumbociousness.)
MMMM Guinnessssss. That stuff should be piped in everyone's home. Have
you (or anyone else) tried guinness enigma, that must be the
cyber/industrial one out of the family (cos its silver). A lot of Goths I
know drink the hallowed taste of Tetley Bitter (smooooth or hand pulled).
Do goths drink bottled beers like becks and stuff, or is that just for
cool/tacky clubbers who like paying 3 quid for it?
And do Goths ever go down the bookies, thats a good idea too.
>
> I probably drink it because the 1/2 of me that's Irish is the top 1/2
I probably drink 'cos it is a good idea. And I'm thirsty. And then get
pizza.
>
> All hail to you at UPG, may your trousers ever stay at waist-level.
And may they steadilly baggier round the arse.
>
> Johnny "Shock Tube" (off to the offie)
>
Kink (representing the new alternative/goth LAD -rather than all that weedy
makeup goggles hair stuff:))
Pete Scathe
>In article <hASJbWAc...@scathe.demon.co.uk>, Pete Scathe
><pe...@scathe.demon.co.uk> writes
>>andy heaps <anh...@anhlvx.demon.co.uk> wrote
>>>Vickie and I reckon so. If Puressence, (who have only done 3 gothy songs
>>>on a whole album)
>>
>>Which album? The first or the second?
>The first album.
Hmm... from what you say below, you're most probably talking about the
second album, "Only Forever"...
> Sorry Pete but we found it neither goth nor palatable
>once the "string section" cut in. But there are definitely enough gothy
>songs to give it modern goth credentials; the first track is brilliant.
"Sharpen Up The Knives"? Or "Near Distance"?
If it's "Knives", then it's the second album.
And it is a brilliant track- much closer in spirit to the first album.
>
>To us the album seemed over produced (we can only hope they are better
>live) too many strings and vocals that can occasionally sound like
>"Larry the Lamb"(Sorry it's just our opinion) but it really spoiled the
>moment.
>
Assuming you're talking about the second album, which by the sounds of
it you are, then I agree with a fair bit of what you've said there- it
is overproduced compared to the second, and the strings etc do get in
the way a bit.
I still think it's a brilliant album, but not as awe-inspiring as the
first.
>
>Anyway in any case neither of us agree in any attempt to classify
>music.
>
>"If it sounds good to you then listen to it" has been our mantra for
>many years.
>
I agree with you there too!
bullets
>
> <CLINK!> cheers, mate! I'm thirsty now so I'm down to the OFF LICENCE!
(mmmm!
> Off Licence!) for some GUINNESS! OFFICIAL!!! Sorry I was just reading
old
> Brute! comics. (Strange feeling now I associate the graphic style with
> KMFDMDFMK entirely.)
>
> Johnny "Shock Tube" (off to the offie)
>
There are some Guinness drinking diehards in my local pub
who would simply not be able to understand somebody actually
drinking from a can rather than from the tap on draught.
its like your showing a lack of repect for this almighty drink
and its supposed to taste awful from anything other than tap
in an Irish pub in Ireland pulled by somebody with years of
experiance. Me I could not tell the difference I hate the stuff.
although I have been known to drink it with blackcurrent which
is another unforgivible sin. ;-)
As for it being Goth ? IMO its just Irish.
(Iam a cider or vodka person myself)
Bullets
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> MMMM Guinnessssss. That stuff should be piped in everyone's home. Have
> you (or anyone else) tried guinness enigma, that must be the
> cyber/industrial one out of the family (cos its silver). A lot of Goths I
SILVER GUINESS???
What doews it taste like? Can someone mail it over the pond for me???
Thanatos.
andy heaps
<pe...@scathe.demon.co.uk> writes
>andy heaps <anh...@anhlvx.demon.co.uk> wrote
>>In article <hASJbWAc...@scathe.demon.co.uk>, Pete Scathe
>><pe...@scathe.demon.co.uk> writes
>>>andy heaps <anh...@anhlvx.demon.co.uk> wrote
>
>>>>Vickie and I reckon so. If Puressence, (who have only done 3 gothy songs
>>>>on a whole album)
>>>
>>>Which album? The first or the second?
>>The first album.
>
>Hmm... from what you say below, you're most probably talking about the
>second album, "Only Forever"...
>
>> Sorry Pete but we found it neither goth nor palatable
>>once the "string section" cut in. But there are definitely enough gothy
>>songs to give it modern goth credentials; the first track is brilliant.
>
>"Sharpen Up The Knives"? Or "Near Distance"?
>
>If it's "Knives", then it's the second album.
>
>And it is a brilliant track- much closer in spirit to the first album.
>>
If "Knives" is indicative of the first album we'll probably hunt down a
copy.
>>To us the album seemed over produced (we can only hope they are better
>>live) too many strings and vocals that can occasionally sound like
>>"Larry the Lamb"(Sorry it's just our opinion) but it really spoiled the
>>moment.
>>
>Assuming you're talking about the second album, which by the sounds of
>it you are, then I agree with a fair bit of what you've said there- it
>is overproduced compared to the second, and the strings etc do get in
>the way a bit.
>
>I still think it's a brilliant album, but not as awe-inspiring as the
>first.
in Love & LVX
andy & vickie heaps
Nicholas Edge
<zog...@home.com> wrote in message news:37626FC4...@home.com...
It guinness's version of a lager/beer. The can's sliver, not the drink
(silver beer, now that would be amazing!) But it is the smooooothest thing
in the universe, so smooth that people who hate beer/bitter and drink
cider/vodka, like it (ie Abby).
I'm thirsty again....
Kink
zog...@home.com
>
> It guinness's version of a lager/beer. The can's sliver, not the drink
Wouldn't that be Harp?
> (silver beer, now that would be amazing!) But it is the smooooothest thing
> in the universe, so smooth that people who hate beer/bitter and drink
> cider/vodka, like it (ie Abby).
>
Yes, but people who drink vodka are unimaginative morons.
Thane.
Shock Tube
>
> >
> Kink (representing the new alternative/goth LAD -rather than all that weedy
> makeup goggles hair stuff:))
WEEEERD! Now the Gaz topic has careered off the road and onto how much we all
like beer. Mmmm....Beeer. I suppose if you got those strange silver balls that
you got on cakes as a kid and mixed it with Guinness (slobbers on keyboard,
yelps as sparks jump to his trouserless legs...look it's HOT here!) this would
make the drink that all Front 242 fans would want to drink. How they came up
with the idea of putting ball-bearings on a cake is beyond me. But they taste
GOOOOOOD! (bites chunk off mousemat)
New Goth Lads, eh?
Maybe they could start the "Granada Goths and Motors" channel. Or have a
"Ladgoth" column in the Sun. Sounds like a job for Hussey. He doesn't seem to be
up to much :)
"Goths Behaving Badly" Who would play them? Bags me!
May your sandwiches never curl.
Johnny "Shock Tube"
PS one of these days I'm actually going to put my homepage "up" (oooer!) but I
have more important uploads to do...<sigh> MAYBE TONIGHT!
BTW Numan rocked last night.
Nicholas Edge
<zog...@home.com> wrote in message news:3762913D...@home.com...
I don't think my girl friend's an "unimaginative moron."
K
Shock Tube
>
> > Yes, but people who drink vodka are unimaginative morons.
> >
> > Thane.
>
> I don't think my girl friend's an "unimaginative moron."
>
> K
I AM!
Thinks - tiny weeny shoes for centipedes. Now there's an idea. Good sales
commission.
Johnny Shock Tube NP "We Are Glass" - Gazza Numan
"Did someone say glass?"
Pete Scathe
>>
>Yes, but people who drink vodka are unimaginative morons.
>
Go forth and justify!
zog...@home.com
>
> zog...@home.com wrote
> >>
> >Yes, but people who drink vodka are unimaginative morons.
> >
> Why would this be, then?
>
> Go forth and justify!
Love to, dear. (Please note, this justification does not nessecarially
apply to those who drink premium vodkas straight. The jury is still out
on that one)
Alcohol has a purpose. This purpose is NOT to get drunk off of. It is
to be enjoyed, and to have a good taste. One of the enjoyable parts of
alcohol is the way it mixes. This applies to both texture and to
flavour. In terms of flavour, there is an art to taking two tastes (say
scotch or gin for example) and finding other tastes (ie ammaretto, or
bar mix respectively) that go well with it, to produce an even better
taste.
Vodka is (relatively) tasteless. When you mix it with something it
tastes like that something, but with alcohol. This is not combining
tastes for a greater enjoyment. Sicne alcohol's primary purpose is not
to induce drunkeness, but for enjoyment, there is no point to mixing say
Vodka and OJ, when you could just drink OJ, if you like the taste.
Doing otherwise defeats the purpose of alcohol, and is only for people
who just want to get drunk, or can't be bothered to think creatively
about what goes well with what. This second factor is what makes them
unimaginative morons.
Note: This does NOT apply to people who drink their liquor straight.
Thanatos.
Blackbird
Alchyhol has got quite a few 'purposes' ecktually.. *One* of its main
purposes is an aid to relaxing peoples inhibitions in an environment
where it is desirable to communicate (hence the serving of wine at many
of the conferences I've attended.. you get some excellent heated
technical discussions going on).. all of which is a mild form of getting
drunk..
If it was all down to taste, people would stick to soft drinks, but its
not, reality.
> Vodka is (relatively) tasteless.
I beg to differ.
> When you mix it with something it
> tastes like that something, but with alcohol.
No, it tastes like something (shock horror) with Vodka..
> This is not combining
> tastes for a greater enjoyment.
Yes it is (next subjective argument please!).. Besides there are lots of
other things you can mix Vodka with that work really well.
> Sicne alcohol's primary purpose is not
> to induce drunkeness, but for enjoyment, there is no point to mixing say
> Vodka and OJ, when you could just drink OJ, if you like the taste.
What happens if you like the taste of vodka mixed with OJ?.. The Mrs. is
a particular fan of this drink (when she can't get hold of a G&T that
is).
> Doing otherwise defeats the purpose of alcohol, and is only for people
> who just want to get drunk, or can't be bothered to think creatively
> about what goes well with what.
Decent Vodka has no less flavour than whiskey, cheap vodka has less
taste, but cheap whiskey tastes like mud anyway. People who drink cheap
vodka and orange to get drunk 'without the burn' are doing themselves a
favour compared to people who are using hooch for this purpose anyway..
wich has its alchohol content supplied by methalated spirits!.
> This second factor is what makes them
> unimaginative morons.
People who drink Vodka & Orange are Morons? *cough* People who drink
Vodka & tonic are morons? *gag* people who drink vodka & coke are also
*splutter* morons? oh, dear, oh dear, oh dear.
> Note: This does NOT apply to people who drink their liquor straight.
Oh well, thats OK then..
> Thanatos.
As in: I'd rather give a monkeys thanatos.?
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>
> zog...@home.com wrote:
>
> Alchyhol has got quite a few 'purposes' ecktually.. *One* of its main
> purposes is an aid to relaxing peoples inhibitions in an environment
> where it is desirable to communicate (hence the serving of wine at
This is a side benifit IMO.
> If it was all down to taste, people would stick to soft drinks, but its
> not, reality.
>
Hardly. Alcohols taste much better than coke.
> > Vodka is (relatively) tasteless.
>
> I beg to differ.
>
It's a neutral sprit. It's made to be tasteless (or at lest taste like
unflavoured alcohol)
> As in: I'd rather give a monkeys thanatos.?
You got me there.
Angel.
Blackbird
>
> Blackbird wrote:
> >
> > zog...@home.com wrote:
> >
> > Alchyhol has got quite a few 'purposes' ecktually.. *One* of its main
> > purposes is an aid to relaxing peoples inhibitions in an environment
> > where it is desirable to communicate (hence the serving of wine at
>
> This is a side benifit IMO.
> > If it was all down to taste, people would stick to soft drinks, but its
> > not, reality.
> >
> Hardly. Alcohols taste much better than coke.
Taste of alchohol.. Sharp, bitter, stings your tongue.. makes you go
blind if you drink much more than a thimble full.
Taste of Coke.. Too sweet, fizzy, makes you hyper if you drink more than
a few cans in one sitting.
Point is.. its not alchohol that makes the taste in *anything*.. its
what else is in there.. all alchohol does is gives you a kick in the
back of the throat and a burn in the belly.. and gets you drunk..
> > > Vodka is (relatively) tasteless.
> >
> > I beg to differ.
> >
> It's a neutral spirit. It's made to be tasteless (or at lest taste like
> unflavoured alcohol)
Vodka is certainly not made to be tasteless.. its distilled from a
vegitable source, and contains impurities (else it would be lethal).
Some of the cheaper vodkas are absolutely awful and contain no flavour..
but as I said before.. same goes for whiskey and so fourth.
Above all.. drink Vodka as its meant to be Drunk..
Keep the bottle in the freezer, when poured into a tall shot glass, it
should have a gloopy consistancy, like treacle.. leave to stand for
about 10 seconds until the glass becomes frosted.. garnish (just kidding
- no ice!!) and serve.. sup slowly and let it trickle down your throat..
This also has the benefit of letting you identify crap vodka.. ice
crystals form in cheap Vodkas..
zog...@home.com
> > Hardly. Alcohols taste much better than coke.
>
> Taste of alchohol.. Sharp, bitter, stings your tongue.. makes you go
> blind if you drink much more than a thimble full.
>
> Point is.. its not alchohol that makes the taste in *anything*.. its
> what else is in there.. all alchohol does is gives you a kick in the
> back of the throat and a burn in the belly.. and gets you drunk..
>
I said alcohols, as in spirits, not the acually alcohol in the spirits.
> Above all.. drink Vodka as its meant to be Drunk..
>
> Keep the bottle in the freezer, when poured into a tall shot glass, it
> should have a gloopy consistancy, like treacle.. leave to stand for
> about 10 seconds until the glass becomes frosted.. garnish (just kidding
> - no ice!!) and serve.. sup slowly and let it trickle down your throat..
>
I agree. You will note that I specifically excepted drinkng it
straight.
Angel.
Mat
> Above all.. drink Vodka as its meant to be Drunk..
What… (A) Frozen in a coke bottle with free cans of RedBull for flavor
and drunk before it reaches room temperature?
No wonder I am what I am, come 4am in Slime. Roll on Saturday!
Mat
(A). Approximately just under half a bottle of BlaVod in this wonderful
cocktail.
NP. This Love, Pantera. And people don’t believe I’m not a goth. *tut*
Isaura
>
> Blackbird wrote:
>
> > > Hardly. Alcohols taste much better than coke.
> >
> > Taste of alchohol.. Sharp, bitter, stings your tongue.. makes you go
> > blind if you drink much more than a thimble full.
> >
> > Point is.. its not alchohol that makes the taste in *anything*.. its
> > what else is in there.. all alchohol does is gives you a kick in the
> > back of the throat and a burn in the belly.. and gets you drunk..
> >
>
> I said alcohols, as in spirits, not the acually alcohol in the spirits.
>
> >
> > should have a gloopy consistancy, like treacle.. leave to stand for
> > about 10 seconds until the glass becomes frosted.. garnish (just kidding
> > - no ice!!) and serve.. sup slowly and let it trickle down your throat..
> >
>
> I agree. You will note that I specifically excepted drinkng it
> straight.
How about snorting it then?
Isaura
zog...@home.com
>
> > I agree. You will note that I specifically excepted drinkng it
> > straight.
>
> How about snorting it then?
>
Alex Page
> Alcohol has a purpose. This purpose is NOT to get drunk off of.
> Note: This does NOT apply to people who drink their liquor straight.
Hmm, I'd disagree with the first point... but then, there's a whole
area between "getting drunk" and "staying sober". Persh, I tend to
drink vodka and coke, mixed the Dublin way (50-50).
It's a nice taste, it's got a bite to it, and I know that once I've
had a drink or two, I'll have overcome my general shyness and actually
enjoy my evening a whole lot more. I don't often get ratarsed, and not
without good reason, and I do go to clubs sober and enjoy myself; it
just depends on how I feel at the time. Generally, I prefer it to
normal Coke, because I find that too sweet and generally only drink it
for mecidinal purposes (sugar and caffeine).
I've also developed a taste for drinking 'proper' vodka, as inherited
from Andy from Sheffield, and also for 'proper' whisky courtesy of
DFM. But that requires generally more financial resources than I tend
to have available to me at any given time.
Drinking straight spirits is a fine thing to do, and enjoying their
taste is perfectly acceptable. Having a downer on those who use
spirits as mixers is downright snobbery.
Alex
--
"My place is here, corrupting the young" - Lord Rochester, "Plunkett & Macleane"
Bah. It is Techno. It goes Beep.
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zog...@home.com
> Drinking straight spirits is a fine thing to do, and enjoying their
> taste is perfectly acceptable. Having a downer on those who use
> spirits as mixers is downright snobbery.
>
I agree. I only have a downer on those who use vodka as a mixer.
Paul Kinsler
.. which is also snobbery, but just a little more specific
a sort of snobbery.
#Paul
zog...@home.com
It's not snobbery. Having a downer of people who mix is snobbery b/c
some people can't afford good enough alcohol to drink straight.
Vodka isn't any cheaper than other liquors however.. There's no excuse.
Thane.
The Rattler
> > Having a downer on those who use spirits as mixers is downright snobbery.
>
> I agree. I only have a downer on those who use vodka as a mixer.
LOL! This is soooOoOoOooo petty! :)
Personally, I really couldn't care less what anyone else is drinking or
not drinking. Some of the people I care most about drink stuff that I'd
rate a little below dogpiss, and sometimes for the very 'wrong' reasons
but does this make them "unimaginative morons"? I don't drink *any*
spirits anymore, mixed or otherwise - what does this make *me*! Repeat
after me: It's just a drink! :)
--
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Ramalamalama Kenickie Kenickie!"
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Pete Scathe
>Pete Scathe wrote:
>>
>> zog...@home.com wrote
>> >>
>> >Yes, but people who drink vodka are unimaginative morons.
>> >
>> Why would this be, then?
>>
>> Go forth and justify!
>
>Love to, dear. (Please note, this justification does not nessecarially
>apply to those who drink premium vodkas straight. The jury is still out
>on that one)
[snip ridiculous justification]
No, no, no...
What you were meant to say is "Gor blimey guv, I wasn't being serious!"
The thought that you are being serious is quite mind-bogglingly funny.
You *are* joking, aren't you?
--
Pete Scathe (NP: New Auteurs album)
zog...@home.com
>
> zog...@home.com wrote
> >Pete Scathe wrote:
> >>
> >> zog...@home.com wrote
> >> >>
> >> >Yes, but people who drink vodka are unimaginative morons.
> >> >
> >> Why would this be, then?
> >>
> >> Go forth and justify!
> >
> >Love to, dear. (Please note, this justification does not nessecarially
> >apply to those who drink premium vodkas straight. The jury is still out
> >on that one)
>
> [snip ridiculous justification]
>
> No, no, no...
>
> What you were meant to say is "Gor blimey guv, I wasn't being serious!"
>
> The thought that you are being serious is quite mind-bogglingly funny.
>
> You *are* joking, aren't you?
> --
Pete Scathe
Well, that's a relief.
Which bit weren't you joking about then?
--
Pete Scathe (Next Resurgence: 4th July)
club info & daft haircuts: www.scathe.demon.co.uk/
zog...@home.com
> >> You *are* joking, aren't you?
> >> --
> >Mostly yes.
>
> Well, that's a relief.
>
> Which bit weren't you joking about then?
I still think that personally, vodka is the most unimaginative mixer
around.
Thane.
Alex Page
> It's not snobbery. Having a downer of people who mix is snobbery b/c
> some people can't afford good enough alcohol to drink straight.
> Vodka isn't any cheaper than other liquors however.. There's no excuse.
Depends... I don't mix expensive vodka. I mix cheap vodka. Vodka is no
cheaper than other liquors, but cheap liquors aren't drinkable
straight. 6 quid a bottle ASDA Protocol Vodka is *not* designed for
pleasant supping, god knows I've tried :)
Sophia
<grim...@twisted.gothicdreams.net> writes
>zog...@home.com wrote:
>
>Depends... I don't mix expensive vodka. I mix cheap vodka. Vodka is no
>cheaper than other liquors, but cheap liquors aren't drinkable
>straight. 6 quid a bottle ASDA Protocol Vodka is *not* designed for
>pleasant supping, god knows I've tried :)
It's not surprising that it is nasty when you consider the costings. Say
you pay Ł6.99 for the bottle (sounds remarkably cheap, but then I live
in London) - let's break it down. First there's VAT at 17.5% to take off,
which brings us down to Ł5.76. Then comes the real killer, Duty,
which on a 70cl bottle of spirits (assuming it's 37.5% alcohol by
volume, anything higher gets taxed even more punitively) is around
Ł4.50. This leaves us with Ł1.26, from which must be taken money
for transport, distribution, the bottle, packaging, the label etc and
profit for all the companies providing the above services. The drink in
the bottle costs about 15 to 20p. No wonder it's shit.
Another factor to remember about mass market vodkas - and this
includes Smirnoff etc - is that they are designed to be neutral and
unchallenging, providing the kick without any particular flavour of
their own save that of alcohol. When this style of vodka was created,
in the years after the war, it was intended to be mixed, no one
thought of it as a stand alone drink, hence it was to be a bland,
rectified spirit with little or no character. Modern mass brand vodkas
are aiming at the same market and follow the same tradition.
I've always said that if a spirit has to be drunk mixed to be palatable,
it's not worth drinking.
--
Sophia (who recommends Polish Bison Grass Vodka)
Faith in Fabulousness
Alison
> >Depends... I don't mix expensive vodka. I mix cheap vodka. Vodka is no
> >cheaper than other liquors, but cheap liquors aren't drinkable
> >straight. 6 quid a bottle ASDA Protocol Vodka is *not* designed for
> >pleasant supping, god knows I've tried :)
Mmm. Have to agree there.
Sophia replied:
>
> It's not surprising that it is nasty when you consider the costings. Say
> you pay £6.99 for the bottle (sounds remarkably cheap, but then I live
> in London) - let's break it down. First there's VAT at 17.5% to take off,
> which brings us down to £5.76. Then comes the real killer, Duty,
> which on a 70cl bottle of spirits (assuming it's 37.5% alcohol by
> volume, anything higher gets taxed even more punitively) is around
> £4.50. This leaves us with £1.26, from which must be taken money
> for transport, distribution, the bottle, packaging, the label etc and
> profit for all the companies providing the above services. The drink in
> the bottle costs about 15 to 20p. No wonder it's shit.
>
<snip>
>
> I've always said that if a spirit has to be drunk mixed to be palatable,
> it's not worth drinking.
>
Depends what mood you're in. I *hate* beer in all shapes and forms, and wine
and cider (the cider thing came about while trying to examine my guts while
still attatched to them). I love mead, but you try finding somewhere that
isn't a gift shop that sells mead.... not easy. So I'm onto spirits. Now
while I can drink most anything straight (if I can manage Cretan Raki I can
manage near as damn anything), I don't necessarily *enjoy* it that much. I
have a very sweet tooth, which means I absolutely adore the flavoured vodkas
that they sell at Revolution (horrible place but nice drinks - cheap) and
probably makes me a complete philistine and lacking in any taste whatsoever.
You know what.... I don't care.
My favourite drink of all time is bright green, tastes like melted opal
fruits (or starburst or whatever it is they're calling themselves now) and
rots plastic. I never stop to think what it does to me insides! It does have
vodka in it, BTW, as well as a hell of a lot of other things (mostly
alcoholic).
Alison (feeling very happy)
Webmaster
this world as a shooter, that is, if you like liquorice!
The plain grain vodka is devine.
Z
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