Sacrosanct Post Mortem
Fox
Previously, Gothpat wrote:
>>Yeah Pat, anyone would think you'd done this sort of thing before.
>Yeah, yeah Fox
>Am I supposed to say how long I've done it and who I have shot?
If the wrong photos get out on the web I'll be able to tell you right
now who I'll be shooting.
Fox (anyone know a handy rifle retailer?)
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Pete Scathe
Well, I had fun anyway! Even though I was only there on the Sunday! Met
lots of people, got hideously drunk, propped up Cleggy, bought some crap
CDs, spent lots of money, got chatted up & even found the drinks I'd
left outside afterwards! (truly miraculous!)
Apparently some bands played too...
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alien
In article <ca1uXaAB...@scathe.demon.co.uk>, Pete Scathe
<pe...@scathe.demon.co.uk> writes
>Well, I had fun anyway! Even though I was only there on the Sunday! Met
>lots of people, got hideously drunk, propped up Cleggy, bought some crap
>CDs, spent lots of money, got chatted up & even found the drinks I'd
>left outside afterwards! (truly miraculous!)
>
>Apparently some bands played too...
no time at the mo' - but I thing this thread will have some interesting
comments later...
includes - violence by a 'security' person... possible breaking of some
law regarding water, and a comment from the lead singer of 'Still
Patient?' that he didn't blame Rosetta a bit...
more later kiddies.....
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Ross Fruen
alien <al...@alien8.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>includes - violence by a 'security' person... possible breaking of some
>law regarding water, and a comment from the lead singer of 'Still
>Patient?' that he didn't blame Rosetta a bit...
Quite... the sound was atrocious and as for being locked in for 7
hours +...
Still, bands were good esp. Rosetta - nice and bouncy!!
Flossy
Matt Bocci
Ross Fruen wrote:
>
> alien <al...@alien8.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>
> >includes - violence by a 'security' person... possible breaking of some
> >law regarding water, and a comment from the lead singer of 'Still
> >Patient?' that he didn't blame Rosetta a bit...
>
> Quite... the sound was atrocious and as for being locked in for 7
> hours +...
The sound seemed to depend on where you stood.
>
> Still, bands were good esp. Rosetta - nice and bouncy!!
A bit short and grumpy though :(
For me, the highlight bands had to be Still Patient?, Horatii, Dreadful
Shadows and Seraphin Twin. Garden of Dleight were pretty groovy too.
The lowlights were definitely the "job's worth" security and the awful
food (and Rosetta and Judith).
Matt
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Fox
On Mon, 12 Aug 1996 09:11:47 +0100, alien <al...@alien8.demon.co.uk>
wrote:
>includes - violence by a 'security' person... possible breaking of some
>law regarding water, and a comment from the lead singer of 'Still
>Patient?' that he didn't blame Rosetta a bit...
At least this band storm off in a huff though. In fact, in my own,
warped scheme of things I thought these guys were the best group of
the weekend.
I'm certain the water laws are very dubious on this one. For those
who aren't in the know the problem was that the Astoria was charging
Ł1.20 a bottle for water and was refusing to serve tap water saying it
was undrinkable. The argument was that clubs, by law, have to serve
water to clients. Something to do with watering peoples' horses I
believe. However, I suspect that this only hods true for public
houses and not for private clubs (i.e. venues where you have to pay to
get in).
Either way the Astoria was certainly trying to screw as much money out
of each and every one of us as possible.
And the chips were naff too.
Fox
Matt Bocci
Fox wrote:
> At least this band storm off in a huff though. In fact, in my own,
> warped scheme of things I thought these guys were the best group of
> the weekend.
You have a pretty warped scheme of things, then ;-)
> =
> I'm certain the water laws are very dubious on this one. For those
> who aren't in the know the problem was that the Astoria was charging
> =A31.20 a bottle for water and was refusing to serve tap water saying it
> was undrinkable. The argument was that clubs, by law, have to serve
> water to clients. Something to do with watering peoples' horses I
> believe. However, I suspect that this only hods true for public
> houses and not for private clubs (i.e. venues where you have to pay to
> get in).
> =
It wasn't really that (lots of clubs refuse to serve tap water). They
were confiscating some really silly things a sealed bottle of water, and
even Catherine's cough sweets!!!
Also, those so called veggie burgers were cooked on the same thing as
the meat ones - Trade Descriptions Act, anyone?
Unfortunately, no matter how much people moan, the only thing that will
make venues clean up their act is if people stop going to them, or if
Westminster Council force them to.
Matt
> Either way the Astoria was certainly trying to screw as much money out
> of each and every one of us as possible.
> =
> And the chips were naff too.
> =
> Fox
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> \O O/ O some you lose.
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alien
In article <320F20...@qmw.ac.uk>, Matt Bocci <M.B...@qmw.ac.uk>
writes
>Ross Fruen wrote:
[alien]
>> >includes - violence by a 'security' person... possible breaking of some
>> >law regarding water, and a comment from the lead singer of 'Still
>> >Patient?' that he didn't blame Rosetta a bit...
>>
>> hours +...
>
>The sound seemed to depend on where you stood.
>> Still, bands were good esp. Rosetta - nice and bouncy!!
>A bit short and grumpy though :(
yes - the Still Patient singer didn't see why they cut short when
everyone else kept on going...
>For me, the highlight bands had to be Still Patient?, Horatii, Dreadful
>Shadows and Seraphin Twin. Garden of Dleight were pretty groovy too.
I think a nice gig to set up would be Rosetta, Still Patient & Horatii..
where were Manuscript tho?
>
>The lowlights were definitely the "job's worth" security and the awful
>food (and Rosetta and Judith).
agreed.
Dave, the organiser, was good and listened(hence upstairs opened on Sun
and I was let up on Sat due to a back problem) but you have to wonder if
anyone checked the quality of the sound....
rosetta stone
[apologies if this all appears abstract - but Iąm still in shock and visibly
shaking with frustration.]
were on earth do I fuckiną start?
first my sympathies to Dave vendemmian... for putting up with this shit after
paying thousands for the pleasure... and die laughing who had their merchandise
thrown down the stairs by the security for not leaving the building quick
enough.
Call me naive, I mean Iąve only possibly played hundreds of gigs all over the
fuckiną place... but the astoria is a joke... youąd think that such an
established venue, could facilitate a Śworkableą monitoring system
on-stage? Even during our soundcheck we suffered a disjointed unsatisfying
balance.
Apparantly the local on-stage crew need to be *told* how to balance a kick drum
hihat and snare... as if the concept of these three fundamentals are some kinda
new concept. - these fuckers didnąt even appear to bother to take the time to
note down monitoring specifics as established during each bands soundcheck.
Is there a stronger word for complacency? - Iąm having difficulty reflecting the
injustice of this selfish shithole of a place.
In a coupla months weąre supposedly supporting the nefilim at the astoria and I
find it depressing the fact that Iąm not looking forward to it - due to
saturdays
experiences.
By the time we appeared on-stage any vague hope of hearing anything had
vanished... karls wedges were fried as were the side-fills... and my two wedges
were pumping out little more than karls bass guitar!!!
Even if we had had no problems, I doubt whether weąd have had enough time to
complete our set... we spent weeks preparing encore tracks of stuff we havenąt
played for years and nobody got to hear any of it. The second we walked off
stage... the house lights went up and everyone was immediatley thrown out the
building.
If only the astorias on stage crew were as efficient at stage management as the
security were at punter ejection.
cunts
porl
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btw- the reason I was so "grumpy" on-stage is 'cos ignorance always
dictates that the band are held personally responsible for a poor sound
-judging by the comments already reflected within this thread.
. a t p a i n s t o k e e p y o u i n t h e d a r k .
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Jane Shaw
Matt Bocci (M.B...@qmw.ac.uk) wrote:
: It wasn't really that (lots of clubs refuse to serve tap water). They
: were confiscating some really silly things a sealed bottle of water, and
: even Catherine's cough sweets!!!
Blimey! We walked in with a carrier bag full of booze,[1] preparing to
have it confiscated, and all that happened was when we asked if
we could put it in the cloakroom, the man at the desk offered to
look after it for us! :O
Unless Pete French had fixed us up with VIP treatment as well
as everything else?!
(and yes, it had the same content when we left as when we came in...)
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alien
In article <320f213e...@news.demon.co.uk>, Fox
<f...@scio.demon.co.uk> writes
>I'm certain the water laws are very dubious on this one. For those
>who aren't in the know the problem was that the Astoria was charging
>Ł1.20 a bottle for water and was refusing to serve tap water saying it
>was undrinkable. The argument was that clubs, by law, have to serve
>water to clients. Something to do with watering peoples' horses I
>believe. However, I suspect that this only hods true for public
>houses and not for private clubs (i.e. venues where you have to pay to
>get in).
The solution I won't post here - in case anyone from the Ass-toria reads
it - but certainly we are grateful to some people who also thought this
was a bloody stupid rule....
I would be interested to hear what the specific legal status is behind
the water rule (Abigail?)... before I write my letter of complaint....
>
>Either way the Astoria was certainly trying to screw as much money out
>of each and every one of us as possible.
true.
they only searched bags on the 2nd day - presumably they didn't get
enough money from the bar on the 1st....
>
>And the chips were naff too.
didn't dare try.... they missed the choccie biccies in the bag though :)
Matt Bocci
Jane Shaw wrote:
>
> Matt Bocci (M.B...@qmw.ac.uk) wrote:
>
> : It wasn't really that (lots of clubs refuse to serve tap water). They
> : were confiscating some really silly things a sealed bottle of water, and
> : even Catherine's cough sweets!!!
>
> Blimey! We walked in with a carrier bag full of booze,[1] preparing to
> have it confiscated, and all that happened was when we asked if
> we could put it in the cloakroom, the man at the desk offered to
> look after it for us! :O
It did seem a lot less tight on the Saturday than on the Sunday.
Matt
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Matt Bocci
I think Dave deserves a lot of credit for getting this thing off the ground - it
must stink to shell out that much money to hire somewhere like the Astoria and then
have everyone treated so badly by the venue. All in all it was a really good
weekend, though. It's just a pity that the only way to see a line up as good as
that on a regular basis is to move to Germany :(
Matt Bocci
John Gothwin wrote:
>
> I was quite a strange weekend in all. The number seemed a bit low on the
> Sunday. Sacrosanct again went to prove that its the same people that
> attend gigs all the time. I'm sure I recognized at least 95% of the
> audience from other gigs I've been to recently.
Yup. Unfortunately there are an awful lot of people who will go to the clubs
because they play a lot of 'old' goth, but just won't give the new bands a chance.
>
> Highlights of the weekend for me were probably Still Patient, The
> Dreadful Shadows, Seraphim Twin, The Horatii and Garden of Delight. In
> fact I think Still Patient was the band of the weekend. I can't quite
> understand how great bands like Die Laughing, Rosetta and Judith managed
> to sound so bad. It can't be that difficult for the sound man to turn
> the guitars up, and the drums down etc... can it?
I've been to lots of gig at the Astoria in the past and in general the
sound has been pretty good (much better than many other similar London venues).
God knows why the sound technicians couldn't deliver the last weekend, though.
I did feel particulary
> sorry for Judith as it was there debut uk performance and they probably
> had the worst sound of all.
Agreed. Although I've not heard their album, I'm told they are really good so was
pretty disappointed with Sunday. I think they are playing somewhere up north in a
few days though, so hopefully that will be better.
>
> Can't say i'm overly impressed with the Astoria as a venue. Is it
> really necessary to charge 1.20 for a can of coke!
>
> John
>
> --
>
> Sex, drugs and drum machines for a grave generation...
Jane Shaw
Matt Bocci (M.B...@qmw.ac.uk) wrote:
: j...@maths.soton.ac.uk wrote:
: I did feel particulary
: > sorry for Judith as it was there debut uk performance and they probably
: > had the worst sound of all.
: Agreed. Although I've not heard their album, I'm told they are really good so was
: pretty disappointed with Sunday. I think they are playing somewhere up north in a
: few days though, so hopefully that will be better.
Judith are playing at the Hallamshire Hotel, West Street, Sheffield,
tomorrow night at 9 p.m. I missed them at Sacrosanct (had to get back
here) but I have their CD 'Fohn' and I can't wait to see them!
Do all come along and see, it is the only other date they are doing
in the UK. :)
Email me for directions, help [1] &c.!
--
[1] as long as it's not with your maths homework, as has happened
in the past. 'Hello, I'm a goth and I noticed on your homepage that
you have a maths degree. I'm a bit stuck on some work I've been given
and...'
Mr G J Anderson
OK so I missed Sacrosanct and Rosetta Stone *grumble-grumble*
and I'll be missing Whitby too *sob-sob*
Still on the up side I did just gate-crash Convergence II, here in Boston.
How sweet of the US net.goths to arrange it in the city I'm visiting
during my little work visit. Pics will eventually be scanned up on my
home pages when I get back, it was just so cool watching a sea of black
descend down the ramp at Harvard bus station on the cemetry tour.
The locals start to look a little worried when a hundred or so goths
all try and cram into the same tube-train. :)
As for the bands on Saturday night I only caught Sunshine Blind, Christain
Death and Switchblade Symphony. There seemed to be big sound problems
throughout everyone's first few numbers, but what do you expect trying to set
up five different bands through the same PA in one night. Christain Death
and Switchblade Symphony were both aweseome, but I could've lived without
Sunshine Blind. As for the first two bands, well I was busy getting tanked
up in a pub with cheaper beer than Manray.
Banshee (just de-lurking while Stateside)
alien
porl wrote whilst starting to chill down......:
>[apologies if this all appears abstract - but Iąm still in shock and visibly
>shaking with frustration.]
>
>were on earth do I fuckiną start?
>
>first my sympathies to Dave vendemmian... for putting up with this shit after
>paying thousands for the pleasure... and die laughing who had their merchandise
>thrown down the stairs by the security for not leaving the building quick
>enough.
to gain an understanding ear regarding the lack of places to sit...
>
>Call me naive, I mean Iąve only possibly played hundreds of gigs all over the
>fuckiną place... but the astoria is a joke... youąd think that such an
>established venue, could facilitate a Śworkableą monitoring system
>on-stage? Even during our soundcheck we suffered a disjointed unsatisfying
>balance.
>
>Apparantly the local on-stage crew need to be *told* how to balance a kick drum
>hihat and snare... as if the concept of these three fundamentals are some kinda
>new concept. - these fuckers didnąt even appear to bother to take the time to
>note down monitoring specifics as established during each bands soundcheck.
>
>Is there a stronger word for complacency? - Iąm having difficulty reflecting the
>injustice of this selfish shithole of a place.
>
>In a coupla months weąre supposedly supporting the nefilim at the astoria and I
>find it depressing the fact that Iąm not looking forward to it - due to
>saturdays
>experiences.
played there.... but the security was equivalent to the weekend.
I mean for fucks sake - this was a whole weekend thing with goths! not
bloody teenage dance jerks who like nothing better than to smash each
others heads apart... the atmosphere was so relaxed... it was great just
walking around.
>
>By the time we appeared on-stage any vague hope of hearing anything had
>vanished... karls wedges were fried as were the side-fills... and my two wedges
>were pumping out little more than karls bass guitar!!!
>
>Even if we had had no problems, I doubt whether weąd have had enough time to
>complete our set... we spent weeks preparing encore tracks of stuff we havenąt
>played for years and nobody got to hear any of it. The second we walked off
>stage... the house lights went up and everyone was immediatley thrown out the
>building.
>If only the astorias on stage crew were as efficient at stage management as the
>security were at punter ejection.
>
>cunts
d'accord.
>porl
>--
>
>btw- the reason I was so "grumpy" on-stage is 'cos ignorance always
>dictates that the band are held personally responsible for a poor sound
>-judging by the comments already reflected within this thread.
as mentioned I asked the Still Patient lead singer what he thought - and
I think he summed it up... "I couldn't hear shit".
looking forward to your next gig anyway.
cheers,
Patrick Dekker
>
>>Apparently some bands played too...
The much awaited Judith AND Horatii failed to impress, Swans of Avon and
Still Patient were excellent, I must have missed the comment by the
latter band regarding RS (who were also excellent)
>
>no time at the mo' - but I thing this thread will have some interesting
>comments later...
>
>includes - violence by a 'security' person... possible breaking of some
>law regarding water, and a comment from the lead singer of 'Still
>Patient?' that he didn't blame Rosetta a bit...
>
>more later kiddies.....
>
BTW, as the weekend is very much a blur in my mind, which band did the
New Order cover? I think it was also Still Patient.
The security was on par for the Astoria, all muscle bound and not a
brain cell between them, same bunch as at the Mission gig, just waiting
to punch someones lights out if they ventured towards the upstairs
gallery.
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Steve Welburn
In article <ca1uXaAB...@scathe.demon.co.uk>
pe...@scathe.demon.co.uk "Pete Scathe" writes:
> Well, I had fun anyway! Even though I was only there on the Sunday! Met
> lots of people, got hideously drunk, propped up Cleggy, bought some crap
> CDs, spent lots of money, got chatted up & even found the drinks I'd
> left outside afterwards! (truly miraculous!)
And our food survived too ;-) Bastard bloody security bastards
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Toodlepip,
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swel...@trashcity.org
[Mope 'til you drop! Then *BOUNCE*]
Patrick Dekker
>Well, I had fun anyway! Even though I was only there on the Sunday! Met
>lots of people, got hideously drunk, propped up Cleggy, bought some crap
Nice of you to pop in and finally get to meet you.
Steve Welburn
> It wasn't really that (lots of clubs refuse to serve tap water). They
> were confiscating some really silly things a sealed bottle of water, and
> even Catherine's cough sweets!!!
>
> Also, those so called veggie burgers were cooked on the same thing as
> the meat ones - Trade Descriptions Act, anyone?
>
> Unfortunately, no matter how much people moan, the only thing that will
> make venues clean up their act is if people stop going to them, or if
> Westminster Council force them to.
Or if bands & promoters start getting the idea that people don't like
venues... Like by writing snotty letters to venues & cc:ing them to bands
& promoters...
Steve Welburn
In article <839876...@trashcity.org>
swel...@trashcity.org "Steve Welburn" writes:
> Or if bands & promoters start getting the idea that people don't like
> venues... Like by writing snotty letters to venues & cc:ing them to bands
> & promoters...
Oh yes... and we were carefully provided with a list of band addresses
in the programme ;-)
whit...@whitby02.demon.co.uk
As one of many promoters - I've noted all your comments and can assure you
that I won't ever run an event at the Astoria.
It just gives me more ammo on the - 'Whitby - toppest place on the planet'
stakes!!
Jo
whit...@whitby02.demon.co.uk
Pete Scathe
In article <RA6T1VAi...@fireman.demon.co.uk>, Patrick Dekker
<p...@fireman.demon.co.uk> writes
>>
>>>Apparently some bands played too...
>
>The much awaited Judith AND Horatii failed to impress,
I'll agree on Judith (though the sound was appalling for them),
unfortunately I missed the Horatii- they were one of the few bands I
actually wanted to see.
>Swans of Avon and
>Still Patient were excellent,
Hmm, with everything that's been said about Still Patient I wish I'd
bought the CD to find out.
>
>>
>BTW, as the weekend is very much a blur in my mind, which band did the
>New Order cover? I think it was also Still Patient.
>
Probably the Dreadful Shadows- they did a cover of True Faith on their
Homeless EP.
>
>Pat, whoose views on bands may not be shared by others (disclaimer)
Same here!
--
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Scathe UK site: http://www.scathe.demon.co.uk/scathe.html
Pete Scathe
In article <MQlUBSAf...@fireman.demon.co.uk>, Patrick Dekker
<p...@fireman.demon.co.uk> writes
>>Well, I had fun anyway! Even though I was only there on the Sunday! Met
>>lots of people, got hideously drunk, propped up Cleggy, bought some crap
>
>Nice of you to pop in and finally get to meet you.
Erm, I have a guilty admission to make- I was having trouble with a
plurality of Pats at the time, & I didn't figure out it was you (as in
"Pat from ukpg")- it was all a bit hectic! So sorry if I seemed a bit
uncommunicative or whatever. Next time I'll remember...
Matt Bocci
Patrick Dekker wrote:
>
> >
> >>Apparently some bands played too...
>
> Still Patient were excellent
Can't agree on Horatii - they were wonderful as ever and Roo was definitely on top form.
Still Patient were fantastic too, well worth the three years I've been
waiting to see them live.
> BTW, as the weekend is very much a blur in my mind, which band did the
> New Order cover? I think it was also Still Patient.
Dreadful Shadows (It's on their Homeless EP)
>
> The security was on par for the Astoria, all muscle bound and not a
> brain cell between them, same bunch as at the Mission gig, just waiting
> to punch someones lights out if they ventured towards the upstairs
> gallery.
Top Guard strikes again...
Matt
Gothpat
Pete Scathe <pe...@scathe.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>In article <MQlUBSAf...@fireman.demon.co.uk>, Patrick Dekker
><p...@fireman.demon.co.uk> writes
>>>Well, I had fun anyway! Even though I was only there on the Sunday! Met
>>>lots of people, got hideously drunk, propped up Cleggy, bought some crap
>>
>>Nice of you to pop in and finally get to meet you.
>Erm, I have a guilty admission to make- I was having trouble with a
>plurality of Pats at the time, & I didn't figure out it was you (as in
>"Pat from ukpg")- it was all a bit hectic! So sorry if I seemed a bit
>uncommunicative or whatever. Next time I'll remember...
But Pete...
there were two Pat's to deal with. But he is a Patrick, and I am most
definately female (and a Patrice). How could you get the two of us
confused? ; )
And, we are all on ukpg
; )
GothPat...or was it that I look younger than you thought...
Gothpat
rosett...@blakmail.demon.co.uk (rosetta stone) wrote:
>[apologies if this all appears abstract - but Iım still in shock and visibly
>shaking with frustration.]
>were on earth do I fuckinı start?
>first my sympathies to Dave vendemmian... for putting up with this shit after
>paying thousands for the pleasure... and die laughing who had their merchandise
>thrown down the stairs by the security for not leaving the building quick
>enough.
Sorry to hear the above. I thought the Saturday guard contingent was
rather belligerant as well. I think that club managers/venue managers
should know by now that the shows they would need the least security
on are goth shows.
This has been experienced in the US as well, BTW...
(soundcheck and sound problems)
>Is there a stronger word for complacency? - Iım having difficulty reflecting the
>injustice of this selfish shithole of a place.
Some venue owners milk their equipment dry-the thought of putting even
a bit of profit back into the infrastructure sometimes is impossible
for them to conceive unless the laws are breathing down their necks.
>Even if we had had no problems, I doubt whether weıd have had enough time to
>complete our set... we spent weeks preparing encore tracks of stuff we havenıt
>played for years and nobody got to hear any of it. The second we walked off
>stage... the house lights went up and everyone was immediatley thrown out the
>building.
They really wanted all out to clean up for the GAY night afterwards
(we were whisked out after the Mission for a similar reason), but
should have been more tactful in person, or made an announcement on
the sound system.
Too bad...I would have loved to hear this encore : (
>If only the astorias on stage crew were as efficient at stage management as the
>security were at punter ejection.
>cunts
Sorry to hear...we still like you (at least I do)
GothPat...a Rosetta Stone fan still
rosetta stone
In article <839951386.654460@europa>, got...@epinet.co.uk (Gothpat) wrote:
> rosett...@blakmail.demon.co.uk (rosetta stone) wrote:
> >first my sympathies to Dave vendemmian... for putting up with this shit after
> >paying thousands for the pleasure...
> Sorry to hear the above. I thought the Saturday guard contingent was
> rather belligerant as well.
> >Is there a stronger word for complacency?
> Some venue owners milk their equipment dry-the thought of putting even
> a bit of profit back into the infrastructure sometimes is impossible
> for them to conceive unless the laws are breathing down their necks.
Weąve voiced the general mood of this thread to the promoters [industrial
research] of this up-coming nef gig, [10nov] regarding the apparant
disquiet over punter treatment, and the indifferent stage crew.
Theyąve spoken with the astorias management, who assured them, there wonąt
be any heavy handed attempts to eject people as... thereąs gonna be about
an hour to spare before the place is due to close after the show.
They also said that regarding the sound it was...an.... er? - łinternal problem˛
-- your guess is as good as ours on that one.
They pointed out that the problem could have been minimised by all the
bands using the same amps/backline [except headline] this is a pretty
standard thing to do, and applies in most festival situations, we'd wanted
this from the start - though if we'd have tried to enforce it on the day
-with bands coming from all over the place, with their own amps etc. we'd
have been perceived as tyrannical cunters, so we left 'em to it.
Though if this is to be applied when we do the nefilim gig, they'll have a
hard task convincing *us* to play through anything other than our own
amps/backline.
I guess it's just human nature.
you can't win.
> GothPat...
cheers for the photosą - people keep remarking, on the clarity - a rare
smokeless moment?
porl
--
Andrew Clegg
In article <320F2F...@qmw.ac.uk>, Matt Bocci <M.B...@qmw.ac.uk>
writes
>
>Unfortunately, no matter how much people moan, the only thing that will
>make venues clean up their act is if people stop going to them, or if
>Westminster Council force them to.
What we need is for someone with a bit of legal know-how to write to the
management, pointing out in a friendly way the various violations or
potential violations of regulations that they were guilty of.
Now, who do we know with a bit of legal know-how? Hmm... ;-)
(I have to admit though that despite the technical problems and the
security playing silly sods I still enjoyed myself but by Sunday I was
so far gone I'd probably have enjoyed myself if I walked into an Alanis
Morisette gig by accident or something)
Andrew.
"What's the matter, Eddie, does it frighten you?"
"Frighten me? No, Frank, I think 'startle' is a better word."
NP: This Burning Effigy -- Her Own Volition [To Bestial Gods...]
Fox
On Mon, 12 Aug 1996 13:31:53 GMT, rosett...@blakmail.demon.co.uk
(rosetta stone) wrote:
>first my sympathies to Dave vendemmian... for putting up with this shit after
>paying thousands for the pleasure... and die laughing who had their merchandise
>thrown down the stairs by the security for not leaving the building quick
>enough.
Ahha, I was wondering what that little fracas was about. Seemed to
carry on until Sunday evening too. The view from the edge was that
the security bods in question had overdosed on horse testosterone and
were simply having a good flex.
Anyone in the process of developing a surface to doorman missile
please contact me at the usual address.
Felidae
In the "Sacrosanct" thread people wrote:
~> Dave, the organiser, was good and listened(hence upstairs opened on Sun
~> and I was let up on Sat due to a back problem) but you have to wonder if
~> anyone checked the quality of the sound....
>
As a former touring FOH (live sound) engineer I've noticed that
increasingly, UK venues employ inexperienced engineers (possibly a biased
remark). A bad sounding gig can, however, be caused by many situations:
1) An in-house engineer who doesn't have the proper knowledge to analyse
the acoustic environment of the venue. Most will not bother to ever do so
even if they know how. Having said that I've had venues, I was unfamiliar
with, give me the time to do an analysis only after the band & I threatened
to walk out (read my contract). A simple "soundcheck" will not do.
2) "Friend-of-the-band" engineers who may know the songs but have no idea
wotsoever about FOH mixing. It's more than "knob-twiddling". (Oi, no
sniggering in the back there)
3) Even good engineers get fuck all wages in this country. I know few who
can live properly of their pay (equivalent to a good job).
4) Venue owners usually know absolutely nothing about what is necessary to
have a proper and *correct* PA system. Add to that any acoustical and
technical treatment the building may need.
5) The band *also* must be experienced enough to "blend" their sound with
the acoustics. I *will* tell a band to turn down the backline level if
necessary, and even refuse to mix on the grounds of uncooperation and that
the end result will be shit. The band must learn how to make the acoustics
work for them, not fight against it with wrong SPL levels. That's when gigs
start sounding wonderful.
Even if the PA is crap, the right approach can still make a performance
sound good..... about 80% of the time to be fair. If the PA is absolute
shite, don't book the venue.
>Apparantly the local on-stage crew need to be *told* how to balance a kick drum
>hihat and snare... as if the concept of these three fundamentals are some kinda
>new concept. - these fuckers didnšt even appear to bother to take the time to
>note down monitoring specifics as established during each bands soundcheck.
>
Somehow I'm not surprised at all. I got out of live audio because of all
the crap involved with it, especially useless stage crews and the whole
psychological aspect. Being a venue engineer is a difficult job nowadays,
but I still expect them to do their work properly and to get their crew in
order.
Blimey, enough ranting from me.
Felidae (slightly worried about what may happen at Whitby)
Andrew Clegg
In article <B1s$pGALpy...@alien8.demon.co.uk>, alien
<al...@alien8.demon.co.uk> writes
>
>where were Manuscript tho?
Well Fluffy Mike was upstairs selling merchndise I think...
Andrew.
"What's the matter, Eddie, does it frighten you?"
"Frighten me? No, Frank, I think 'startle' is a better word."
NP: This Burning Effigy -- Flagellation And Dancing [To Bestial Gods...]
Andrew Clegg
In article <rosettastone-1...@blakmail.demon.co.uk>, rosetta
stone <rosett...@blakmail.demon.co.uk> writes
>
[big snip]
>Is there a stronger word for complacency?
Sheer bloody apathy?
I still think it's funny that the Astoria crew were far more concerned
with stringing balloons across the ceiling (presumably for Club G.A.Y.)
than sorting out the problems the bands were having, or listening to the
complaints of unhappy punters. I don't know if another similar festival
is being planned for next year but I hope the Astoria doesn't get booked
for it.
>btw- the reason I was so "grumpy" on-stage is 'cos ignorance always
>dictates that the band are held personally responsible for a poor sound
>-judging by the comments already reflected within this thread.
I think there are enough people around with experience of music, or live
sound tech, or both, to know that if you can't hear anything you're
playing you can hardly be expected to keep playing it. For what it's
worth though I thought the set was sounding really good until the tech
problems got in the way.
Andrew.
"What's the matter, Eddie, does it frighten you?"
"Frighten me? No, Frank, I think 'startle' is a better word."
NP: This Burning Effigy -- Communion With Sophia [To Bestial Gods...]
Carole Backler
Matt Bocci <M.B...@qmw.ac.uk> wrote:
>
>Yup. Unfortunately there are an awful lot of people who will go to the clubs
>because they play a lot of 'old' goth, but just won't give the new bands a chance.
sounds like a rant i sent in email to someone recently - i could
expand but i'll leave it be for the moment
>
>> Highlights of the weekend for me were probably Still Patient, The
>> Dreadful Shadows, Seraphim Twin, The Horatii and Garden of Delight. In
>> fact I think Still Patient was the band of the weekend.
definitely agree on this one
>I've been to lots of gig at the Astoria in the past and in general the
>sound has been pretty good (much better than many other similar London venues).
>God knows why the sound technicians couldn't deliver the last weekend, though.
i've always thought that the sound was good at the Astoria - who knows
what they were up to this weekend
seems like they were out to screw us out of as much money as possible
and then throw us around and treat us like shit for not kissing their
feet for it!
waiting for abigail to get to us on the legality of this water thingy
etc etc before we send our letter of complaint
carole
whit...@whitby02.demon.co.uk
Just to re-iterate the Whitby sound issue for anyone who wasn't listening
on any of the other billion times I've explained it
Last year poor sound was caused by a crap in house PA (surprised?)
This year I hired in a complete rig from a company who have been in the
business for 20 years
JO
Count Von Sexbat
In article <+UnCTWAa...@warpfive.demon.co.uk>
Sur...@warpfive.demon.co.uk "Andrew Clegg" writes:
>I still think it's funny that the Astoria crew were far more concerned
>with stringing balloons across the ceiling (presumably for Club G.A.Y.)
>than sorting out the problems the bands were having, or listening to the
>complaints of unhappy punters. I don't know if another similar festival
>is being planned for next year but I hope the Astoria doesn't get booked
>for it.
Frankly, I think ULU is under used (1300 a day is quite expensive though)
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In article <840001...@batt.demon.co.uk>
sex...@batt.demon.co.uk "Count Von Sexbat" writes:
> In article <+UnCTWAa...@warpfive.demon.co.uk>
> Sur...@warpfive.demon.co.uk "Andrew Clegg" writes:
>
> >I still think it's funny that the Astoria crew were far more concerned
> >with stringing balloons across the ceiling (presumably for Club G.A.Y.)
> >than sorting out the problems the bands were having, or listening to the
> >complaints of unhappy punters. I don't know if another similar festival
> >is being planned for next year but I hope the Astoria doesn't get booked
> >for it.
>
> Frankly, I think ULU is under used (1300 a day is quite expensive though)
Is that the price for ULU ??? If so, is it the _whole_ of ULU or bits ?
Gothpat
Andrew Clegg <Sur...@warpfive.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>(I have to admit though that despite the technical problems and the
>security playing silly sods I still enjoyed myself but by Sunday I was
>so far gone I'd probably have enjoyed myself if I walked into an Alanis
>Morisette gig by accident or something)
and you would have been surrounded with thousands of alternateens
(mostly female) doing the Alanis hand jive...hmmmm....well, maybe that
alone would help you enjoy yourself.
; )
GothPat...the only reason I know about AM audiences is from taking my
nieces to one of her shows...honest!!!!
Ross Fruen
rosett...@blakmail.demon.co.uk (rosetta stone) wrote:
>btw- the reason I was so "grumpy" on-stage is 'cos ignorance always
>dictates that the band are held personally responsible for a poor sound
>-judging by the comments already reflected within this thread.
Oopps... sorry if it came over the wrong way! It's just the guys doing
the mixing had the bass too high from where I stood - nothing but
vibrations.
Flossy
Ross Fruen
John Gothwin <j...@maths.soton.ac.uk> wrote:
>Can't say i'm overly impressed with the Astoria as a venue. Is it
>really necessary to charge 1.20 for a can of coke!
A can? Try buying one from the bar. 1.20 for a thimble full!
Flossy
Ross Fruen
car...@haematic.demon.co.uk (Carole Backler) wrote:
>i've always thought that the sound was good at the Astoria - who knows
>what they were up to this weekend
>seems like they were out to screw us out of as much money as possible
>and then throw us around and treat us like shit for not kissing their
>feet for it!
Lets put it like this... I don't think I'll be going there again in a
long while.
Flossy
Count Von Sexbat
In article <840013...@trashcity.org>
swel...@trashcity.org "Steve Welburn" writes:
>> Frankly, I think ULU is under used (1300 a day is quite expensive though)
>
>Is that the price for ULU ??? If so, is it the _whole_ of ULU or bits ?
It's the charge for the venue, PA, staff etc. The promoter takes 100%
of the door though - and the staff are very nice (including mine and
Nic's ex-flatmate (not at the same time though), and a bald man who used
to look like David Bowie)
Fox
Previously, rosetta stone wrote:
>> GothPat...
>
>cheers for the photosš - people keep remarking, on the clarity - a rare
>smokeless moment?
>
>porl
Yeah Pat, anyone would think you'd done this sort of thing before.
Fox, who will be tracking down said photos this weekend and will be
going after certain negatives with a flame thrower.
--
Peace is such an abstract thing. Is it the comfort one takes in one's friends
and family or the respite one occasionally finds in one's own soul? Or does one
achieve peace in the final silence of one's enemies before they make their peace
with you? - Epilogue to Skeleton Warriors
colin
Well, I had fun anyway! Even though I was only there on the Sunday! Met
> lots of people, got hideously drunk, propped up Cleggy, bought some crap
Boy can't hold his cider...
-colin-
Caine
In article <rosettastone-1...@blakmail.demon.co.uk>, rosetta
stone <rosett...@blakmail.demon.co.uk> writes
>
>fuckiną place... but the astoria is a joke... youąd think that such an
>established venue, could facilitate a Śworkableą monitoring system
>on-stage? Even during our soundcheck we suffered a disjointed unsatisfying
>balance.
Yeah, I noticed Die Laughing's lead guitarist gesticulating at the sound
bloke between songs...
<sympathy>
Good set, though, despite. Thanks...
- Caine
.-.
( ) Caine <c...@watchman.demon.co.uk>
\ /
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colin
> Fox, who will be tracking down said photos this weekend and will be
> going after certain negatives with a flame thrower.
>
-colin-
colin
I was surprised it was fairly cheap- 2 quid for a can of beer at a venue
is not bad by most standards, but 1.20 is not so great for soft drinks.
-colin-
Patrick Dekker
>
>But Pete...
>
> there were two Pat's to deal with. But he is a Patrick, and I am most
>definately female (and a Patrice). How could you get the two of us
>confused? ; )
>And, we are all on ukpg
>; )
>
>GothPat...or was it that I look younger than you thought...
erhmm, Pete??
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Ross Fruen
Andrew Clegg <Sur...@warpfive.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>I still think it's funny that the Astoria crew were far more concerned
>with stringing balloons across the ceiling (presumably for Club G.A.Y.)
>than sorting out the problems the bands were having, or listening to the
>complaints of unhappy punters. I don't know if another similar festival
What I want to know is why couldn't we have had a go with the baloons?
FUN!!
Flossy
Gothpat
colin <c.la...@elec.gla.ac.uk> wrote:
I ordered 4 drinks: 3 Pepsis and 1 diet Pepsi.
I got 3 tiny glasses with a bit of ice and one warm can, for a total
of £4.40
Feh!
GothPat...should have stuck to the purple Hootch
Gothpat
f...@scio.demon.co.uk (Fox) wrote:
>Previously, rosetta stone wrote:
>>> GothPat...
>>
>>cheers for the photosš - people keep remarking, on the clarity - a rare
>>smokeless moment?
>>
>>porl
>Yeah Pat, anyone would think you'd done this sort of thing before.
Yeah, yeah Fox
Am I supposed to say how long I've done it and who I have shot?
>Fox, who will be tracking down said photos this weekend and will be
> going after certain negatives with a flame thrower.
I pick them up today...muhahaha
GothPat...But no one got any of you me and the claws...
Mandrake
Gothpat wrote:
>
> there were two Pat's to deal with. But he is a Patrick, and I am most
> definately female (andconfused? ; )
> And, we are all on ukpg
> ; )
>
> GothPat...or was it that I look younger than you thought...
were you upstairs when i met you if so i now remember
HI perky perky perky
--
Until the sun rises
& death relieves me of this material world
your ever faithful servant
Mandrake
=>-[
Andrew Clegg
In article <3211F...@elec.gla.ac.uk>, colin <c.la...@elec.gla.ac.uk>
writes
Thrrrrrffpppt! The half-litre of Bacardi didn't help, and you insisting
on buying another round when we had to leave in a few minutes, and no-
one physically restraining me when I decided a kebab was in order...
BTW, going off at a complete tangent, thanks for recommending Naked
Truth -- I'm pretty impressed. The music reviews and interviews are good
and they have (gasp) a sense of humour! And if yu see Richard or anyone
from Seraphin Twin, sign me up for the DVHS...
Andrew.
"What's the matter, Eddie, does it frighten you?"
"Frighten me? No, Frank, I think 'startle' is a better word."
NP: Fields Of The Nephilim -- Psychonaut (Lib. III)
Andrew Clegg
In article <840018528.516124@europa>, Gothpat <got...@epinet.co.uk>
writes
>>so far gone I'd probably have enjoyed myself if I walked into an Alanis
>>Morisette gig by accident or something)
>
>and you would have been surrounded with thousands of alternateens
>(mostly female) doing the Alanis hand jive...
Hand jive? I think I saw an advert for that in a phone box near Euston
today.
Gothpat
f...@scio.demon.co.uk (Fox) wrote:
>If the wrong photos get out on the web I'll be able to tell you right
>now who I'll be shooting.
>Fox (anyone know a handy rifle retailer?)
I only have 2 of you taken on Sunday...
; )
GothPat...but one of my housemates has a chainsaw...
Gothpat
Mandrake <gs...@nova.mdx.ac.uk> wrote:
>were you upstairs when i met you if so i now remember
>HI perky perky perky
Moi? Perky?
I think not...must have me confused with Steve & Abagail
GothPat...no, Hirez and I are NOT trying out for ukpg cute couple
Gothpat
Andrew Clegg <Sur...@warpfive.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>In article <840018528.516124@europa>, Gothpat <got...@epinet.co.uk>
>writes
>>>so far gone I'd probably have enjoyed myself if I walked into an Alanis
>>>Morisette gig by accident or something)
>>
>>and you would have been surrounded with thousands of alternateens
>>(mostly female) doing the Alanis hand jive...
>Hand jive? I think I saw an advert for that in a phone box near Euston
>today.
LOL!!!!
Actually, the jive I was referring to is the spastic hand motions she
does with her non-microphone holding hand. Can we say female Joe
Cocker? Or is this too old a reference for most people.
GothPat...yes, I remember the 60's
Ross Fruen
colin <c.la...@elec.gla.ac.uk> wrote:
>Ross Fruen wrote:
>> John Gothwin <j...@maths.soton.ac.uk> wrote:
>> >Can't say i'm overly impressed with the Astoria as a venue. Is it
>> >really necessary to charge 1.20 for a can of coke!
>> A can? Try buying one from the bar. 1.20 for a thimble full!
>I was surprised it was fairly cheap- 2 quid for a can of beer at a venue
>is not bad by most standards, but 1.20 is not so great for soft drinks.
And remeber... we're not talking normal 1/2 pint glasses.... these
were really small plastic beakers! Probably work out about 2.40 for a
normal glass.
Flossy
brett
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In article: <rosettastone-1...@blakmail.demon.co.uk>
rosett...@blakmail.demon.co.uk (rosetta stone) writes:
> We?ve voiced the general mood of this thread to the promoters [industrial
> research] of this up-coming nef gig, [10nov] regarding the apparant
> disquiet over punter treatment, and the indifferent stage crew.
>
> They?ve spoken with the astorias management, who assured them, there won?t
> be any heavy handed attempts to eject people as... there?s gonna be about
> an hour to spare before the place is due to close after the show.
>
Well I really do hope this is the case.I don`t get down to London as
often as I`d like to but was planning to come down for this.However after the
comment`s about the Securtiy etc... I`m having second thought`s,I`ll probably
still come down but if it all goes badly like last weekend did then it`ll
probably be awhile before i come down again.
Just as a footnote the Astoria`s security have long been know for
being heavy handed,Only been there once before when the Eves played there
in '89 but all this talk did bring back memory`s of them being right bastards
and I remember thinking at the time wonder if it`s just goth`s they dont
like.Oh yeah and then there was the time Tim Bricheno got beaten up by
them,though they did have outside security in those day`s.Is it in house
now??.Despite all this and the beer being exortionate I did atcually quite
like the Venue.
> They also said that regarding the sound it was...an.... er? - ?internal
problem?
> -- your guess is as good as ours on that one.
Well you could decipher this as them saying "Our Venues Crap"
Brett....
Now also in new www flavour at http://www.gothic1.demon.co.uk/
Falling into The Arms of Nemesis
Falling into The Grip of Disease
Count Von Sexbat
In article <84019864...@gothic1.demon.co.uk>
br...@gothic1.demon.co.uk "brett" writes:
> Just as a footnote the Astoria`s security have long been know for
>being heavy handed,Only been there once before when the Eves played there
>in '89
In those days it was ShowSec who were responsible for Astoria security,
I believe they were sacked in about 1990 when Top Guard took over.
Showsec were well known for taking stage divers round the back of the
venue and hurting them.
Andrew Clegg
In article <840186891.591896@europa>, Gothpat <got...@epinet.co.uk>
writes
>
>>Hand jive? I think I saw an advert for that in a phone box near Euston
>>today.
>LOL!!!!
>
>Actually, the jive I was referring to is the spastic hand motions she
>does with her non-microphone holding hand. Can we say female Joe
>Cocker? Or is this too old a reference for most people.
I can sort of visualise what yuo mean now, and yes, I do know who Joe
Cocker is and how silly he looks on stage.
>GothPat...yes, I remember the 60's
So do I, I saw the reruns.
Pete Scathe
In article <839950799.112165@europa>, Gothpat <got...@epinet.co.uk>
writes
>Pete Scathe <pe...@scathe.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>
>
>>Erm, I have a guilty admission to make- I was having trouble with a
>>plurality of Pats at the time, & I didn't figure out it was you (as in
>>"Pat from ukpg")- it was all a bit hectic! So sorry if I seemed a bit
>>uncommunicative or whatever. Next time I'll remember...
>
>But Pete...
>
> there were two Pat's to deal with. But he is a Patrick, and I am most
>confused? ; )
I didn't get you confused at all- I just got confused, full stop!
>And, we are all on ukpg
>; )
>
Yeah, that was what was so confusing! Sort of like "that one's thingie,
& that one's whatnot, & that other one must be whatsisface... so that's
what they all look like!". And then two of you went & shared the same
name!
--
Pete Scathe (UK site changed yet again- see below)
Scathe UK site: http://www.scathe.demon.co.uk/scathe.html
Scathe US site: http://www.rmit.usf.edu/scaweb/indexnew.htm
It's cool! It's groovy! It's got penguins! And wibbly bits!
Pete Scathe
In article <JN+VDIAh...@fireman.demon.co.uk>, Patrick Dekker
<p...@fireman.demon.co.uk> writes
>>
>>But Pete...
>>
>> there were two Pat's to deal with. But he is a Patrick, and I am most
>>definately female (and a Patrice). How could you get the two of us
>>confused? ; )
>>; )
>>
>
Ermm, no, I didn't get both of you confused... honest... I just had a
bit of a funny turn...
brett
Speaking of Cute couple`s how come nobodies nominated Maria/Adrian yet
they were lookin kinda cute on Saturday night at Jodi`s Party.
AIDAN SKINNER
colin <c.la...@elec.gla.ac.uk> wrote:
CL>Date: Mon, 19 Aug 1996 12:19:09 +0700
Holy shit! This only took 3 hours to get here... normally it takes
several years for me to see something... ;)
- Aidan (adding nothing to the debate, mainly because he's in shock...)
*slut*tart*slut*tart*slut*tart*slut*tart*slut*tart*slut*tart*
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\ Monogamy? What's that? /
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* 1st 2.00 ~ A little revolution every now and then is a good thing.
brett
In article: <840207...@batt.demon.co.uk> Count Von Sexbat
> In those days it was ShowSec who were responsible for Astoria security,
> I believe they were sacked in about 1990 when Top Guard took over.
>
> Showsec were well known for taking stage divers round the back of the
> venue and hurting them.
>
Oh Charming!!! Then again I guess if you`re stage diving then you`re
risking you`re neck anyhow..
--
Pete Scathe
In article <zzOpOAA+...@scathe.demon.co.uk>, Pete Scathe
<pe...@scathe.demon.co.uk> writes
>
>>
>Yeah, that was what was so confusing! Sort of like "that one's thingie,
>& that one's whatnot, & that other one must be whatsisface... so that's
>what they all look like!". And then two of you went & shared the same
>name!
This is worrying. I'm beginning to sound like Stormbringer....
colin
Andrew Clegg wrote:
>
> In article <3211F...@elec.gla.ac.uk>, colin <c.la...@elec.gla.ac.uk>
> writes
> >Well, I had fun anyway! Even though I was only there on the Sunday! Met
> >> lots of people, got hideously drunk, propped up Cleggy, bought some crap
> > ^^^^^^
> >Boy can't hold his cider...
>
> Thrrrrrffpppt! The half-litre of Bacardi didn't help, and you insisting
> on buying another round when we had to leave in a few minutes, and no-
> one physically restraining me when I decided a kebab was in order...
I could only stand back and admire your courage:
"Yes, I'll have the chilli sauce with that."
It was pretty amusing, especially when you downed the wine on tube to calm it
down.
> BTW, going off at a complete tangent, thanks for recommending Naked
> Truth -- I'm pretty impressed. The music reviews and interviews are good
> and they have (gasp) a sense of humour! And if yu see Richard or anyone
> from Seraphin Twin, sign me up for the DVHS...
Seraphin Twin don't really have anything to do with the DVHS, it's the brainchild
of a certain warped individual from Glasgow, and he regularly scans this group so
be prepared.
A DVHS homepage is apparently under construction, but I think He Who Shall Not Be
Named is waiting for the right time to fully realise the DVHS, so I had better be
quiet before I get staked...
-colin-
-bat.
> t-shirt and baggy shorts in front of 600 drunks goths. Danced around,
> and then threw himself into the pit....
>
> Which opened
You can see a similar effect at foreign NMA gigs where the local crowd
surfers suddenly find themselves on the edge of a large open circle into
which they fall with a surprised expression of their faces. Never seen
anyone get hurt this way - soft squidy fgestival mud does break a fall quite
nicely.
-bat.
David E Thomson
>> BTW, going off at a complete tangent, thanks for recommending Naked
>> Truth -- I'm pretty impressed. The music reviews and interviews are good
>> and they have (gasp) a sense of humour! And if yu see Richard or anyone
>> from Seraphin Twin, sign me up for the DVHS...
>
>Seraphin Twin don't really have anything to do with the DVHS, it's the brainchild
>of a certain warped individual from Glasgow, and he regularly scans this group so
>be prepared.
>A DVHS homepage is apparently under construction, but I think He Who Shall Not Be
>Named is waiting for the right time to fully realise the DVHS, so I had better be
>quiet before I get staked...
>
Colin,
You got one thing right for a change. A brief history lesson.
Seraphin Twin do really have a lot to do with the DVHS as it all
started last year at Whitby with the Reservoir Goths (Voodoo) which
were Seraphin Twin (as was) Richard and myself. This soon evolved
into the DVHS during the dark winter nights at the Seraphin Twin
meetings. One final point (don't know if that should be allowed!) the
address for ST and DVHS is one of the same spooky or what.
Warped mmmmmmmmmmmmmm we will see about that.
Hopepage, construction, the workers have downed tools for the
moment.
Keep quite before someone steals your bike or mentions your shorts.
He That Has Been Named.
- DVHS
- Where the stakes are high (but never rare).
brett carr
Count Von Sexbat (sex...@batt.demon.co.uk) wrote:
: In article <582697...@gothic1.demon.co.uk>
: br...@gothic1.demon.co.uk "brett" writes:
:
: > Oh Charming!!! Then again I guess if you`re stage diving then you`re
: Particularly if you do it at Alien Sex Fiend gigs at ULU [1]
Don't Don't You're just trying and suceeding in pissing me off!!!
: In short, he lept up onto stage, wearing a Perl Jam
: t-shirt and baggy shorts in front of 600 drunks goths. Danced around,
: and then threw himself into the pit....
:
: Which opened
:
: The thud was audible over the music
:
: the pit closed on top of him and he was never seen again.
:
And we larfed and larfed and larfed did a rather large belch and
got another beer.
Brett....
Count Von Sexbat
> Oh Charming!!! Then again I guess if you`re stage diving then you`re
>risking you`re neck anyhow..
Particularly if you do it at Alien Sex Fiend gigs at ULU [1]
/\../\
[1] This is in extremely bad taste as the poor fool involved spent six
months in traction. In short, he lept up onto stage, wearing a Perl Jam
t-shirt and baggy shorts in front of 600 drunks goths. Danced around,
and then threw himself into the pit....
Which opened
The thud was audible over the music
the pit closed on top of him and he was never seen again.
(I swallowed my hair extensions and drank vodka)
Kajia Blue
brett wrote:
> Speaking of Cute couple`s how come nobodies nominated Maria/Adrian yet
> they were lookin kinda cute on Saturday night at Jodi`s Party.
Gee, I really should read upg more.....we've not been nominated
before now? Amazing, we should get out more.
I'd have to say we've been even cuter elsewhere. (I don't really
think *cute* is the right word, however, sensual maybe... :->)
Tune in for another Mr X/Kajia session in Nottingham at
the all-dayer....
Anyone else going?
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
~ http://members.aol.com/kajia/web/index.htm __O__ Tune in ~
~ Kajia aka Maria | Turn on ~
~ blueeyesbluehairbluenailsblacklife | Burn online ~
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Fox
Previously, Kajia Blue wrote:
>> Speaking of Cute couple`s how come nobodies nominated Maria/Adrian yet
>> they were lookin kinda cute on Saturday night at Jodi`s Party.
>
>Gee, I really should read upg more.....we've not been nominated
>before now? Amazing, we should get out more.
Quote from one of your housemates... "Oh, I think I've seen Maria
maybe once in the last three weeks". Getting out more may be an
option, yes *8)
>I'd have to say we've been even cuter elsewhere. (I don't really
>think *cute* is the right word, however, sensual maybe... :->)
Or rubbery
>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>~ http://members.aol.com/kajia/web/index.htm __O__ Tune in ~
>~ Kajia aka Maria | Turn on ~
>~ blueeyesbluehairbluenailsblacklife | Burn online ~
>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Could I recommend everyone to take a wander over to this web site. I
think Kajia did most, if not all, of the artwork herself and it is
DAMNED good.
Fox T Critic
--
/\_/\ F "You never fail to restore my sense of humor and
\O O/ O my sense of superiority at the same time."
\o/ X - Stevie
Andrew Clegg
In article <3217F9...@elec.gla.ac.uk>, colin
<c.la...@elec.gla.ac.uk> writes
>
>I could only stand back and admire your courage:
>"Yes, I'll have the chilli sauce with that."
Ah yes indeed, that was good sauce. You know it's working when your eyes
sting and your nose runs.
>It was pretty amusing, especially when you downed the wine on tube to calm it
>down.
Actually that worked surprisingly well, and also I managed to forget all
about the wine until you mentioned it online. Which is probably a good
sign, I'll have to get some.
>> BTW, going off at a complete tangent, thanks for recommending Naked
>> Truth -- I'm pretty impressed. The music reviews and interviews are good
>> and they have (gasp) a sense of humour! And if yu see Richard or anyone
>> from Seraphin Twin, sign me up for the DVHS...
>
>Seraphin Twin don't really have anything to do with the DVHS,
I must have got the wrong end of the stick when being told abut it, but
then, it was *that* weekend.
>it's the
>brainchild
>of a certain warped individual from Glasgow, and he regularly scans this group
>so
>be prepared.
Good good. Whoever it is should get on alt.gothic to defend it from
alt.vampyres crosspostings.
>A DVHS homepage is apparently under construction, but I think He Who Shall Not
>Be
>Named is waiting for the right time to fully realise the DVHS, so I had better
>be
>quiet before I get staked...
I hope there'll be an announcement or something when it's done...
Vlad the Aler
Andrew Clegg <Sur...@warpfive.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>> GothPat...yes, I remember the 60's
If you can remember them, you weren't there!
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_O_ Vlad "the Aler" vl...@dracula1.demon.co.uk
|
Vlad "the Aler" who is spending a year undead for tax purposes!
Gothpat
vl...@dracula1.demon.co.uk (Vlad "the Aler") wrote:
>>> GothPat...yes, I remember the 60's
>If you can remember them, you weren't there!
Hmmm....most people didn't do any mind-enhancers at the age of 8 or 9.
; )
In fact, most people I knew didn't even try any drugs until the 70's
when they were in college.
GothPat...who knows people who don't remember the 80's
Guy
Count Von Sexbat wrote:
>
> [1] This is in extremely bad taste as the poor fool involved spent six
> months in traction. In short, he lept up onto stage, wearing a Perl Jam
> t-shirt
cool, where can I get one? I've already got c and java tshirts....
--
Ian C.
In article <841239323.891984@europa>, got...@epinet.co.uk (Gothpat) says:
>
>Paul Goodman <evx...@evn1.civeng.nottingham.ac.uk> wrote:
>
>>Kajia Blue wrote:
>>> I'd have to say we've been even cuter elsewhere. (I don't really
>>> think *cute* is the right word, however, sensual maybe... :->)
>>>
>>> the all-dayer....
>
>
>>All I asked was how were you, and got two of the most cheesy grins
>>I've ever experienced. Stoppit both of you now!
>
>Saw them together at the Mercat in Birmingham...
>yes, it's another u.k.p.g. cute couple!
>
>GothPat...and no smart remarks about me and Hirez...
>
>
>
Ok but Cath and I take the prize for most stressed couples
every Epitaph,
and JO takes overall prize for most stressed Goth on The
planet right now...
Ian C.
It's Throb!
> Ok but Cath and I take the prize for most stressed couples
> every Epitaph,
> and JO takes overall prize for most stressed Goth on The
> planet right now...
> Ian C.
Ok, not going to disagree with any of that (especially as you're selling me
your whitby tickets)
But can I be the most depressed?(or failing that, most pathetically sad)
Partly due to circumstances, but mainly due to me being a pathetic sap who
thought that after knowing my girlfriend two and a half years meant that I was
starting to understand her.
Wrong.
I will never never never ever understand her. Or anyone else, for that matter,
probably....
:(
Sorry for sounding so pathetic, but that's how I feel at the moment.
I need to get blind drunk.
Don't suppose there's any chance of a cute singles competition at whitby,
for all the people who can't enter the cute couples stuff, is there?
Throb - Itt...@cr47c.staffs.ac.uk
Depressed. That's it. Just depressed.
Paul Goodman
Kajia Blue wrote:
>
> I'd have to say we've been even cuter elsewhere. (I don't really
> think *cute* is the right word, however, sensual maybe... :->)
>
> Tune in for another Mr X/Kajia session in Nottingham at
> the all-dayer....
That wasn't cute that was *SCARY*
All I asked was how were you, and got two of the most cheesy grins
I've ever experienced. Stoppit both of you now!
Pauly. Lobster.
HiRez
Guy <g...@goodtech.co.uk> wrote:
[FX: Hysterics]
--
J "If I mention the Red Guitars, do I get a prize?" H-R
Gothpat
Paul Goodman <evx...@evn1.civeng.nottingham.ac.uk> wrote:
Saw them together at the Mercat in Birmingham...
Jason
It's Throb! <ittrfp@cr47c> wrote in article <1996Aug28.182749@cr47c>...
> But can I be the most depressed?(or failing that, most pathetically sad)
> Partly due to circumstances, but mainly due to me being a pathetic sap
who
> thought that after knowing my girlfriend two and a half years meant that
I was
> starting to understand her.
> Wrong.
> I will never never never ever understand her. Or anyone else, for that
matter,
> probably....
> :(
I can never understand a partner in a relationship either. That's what
makes it so much fun. However, that's also what can cause so much pain.
> Sorry for sounding so pathetic, but that's how I feel at the moment.
> I need to get blind drunk.
>
You don't sound pathetic, just hurt -it's allowed.
> Don't suppose there's any chance of a cute singles competition at whitby,
> for all the people who can't enter the cute couples stuff, is there?
</agony uncle>
Yessssss!!! Bounce! Bounce! -Finaly, a competition I can enter!!
(mind you, I'll still come last.)
--
Directionless, so plain to see
a loaded gun won't set you free....
Jase
brett carr
It's Throb! (ittrfp@cr47c) wrote:
:
: Partly due to circumstances, but mainly due to me being a pathetic sap who
: starting to understand her.
: Wrong.
: I will never never never ever understand her. Or anyone else, for that matter,
: probably....
Ha Ha!!! You tried to understand the female of the species and
thought you had succeeded it's impossible I tell you imposible.Ha Ha!!
Brett...
AIDAN SKINNER
got...@epinet.co.uk (Gothpat) wrote:
GT>GothPat...who knows people who don't remember the 80's
Yeah, me. ;)
- Aidan
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Jane Shaw
It's Throb! (ittrfp@cr47c) wrote:
: (My friends weren't sure as they turned up late and missed it, tho' they're
: not sure whether it was real or not...)
There was, you'll have to ask Rick about it though...or Althea?
<did I imagine it, or was BRIAN one of the people taking part??? Jo???>
: Happening this year? Sounds incredibly stupid, and thus, a good laugh (Which I
: need :( )
*phew* footie and sandcastles not entertaining enough?! :)
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{___"OY GO I KS!"_ ____ ____"BEE'L J U ICE!"_____"M TISHfieldA! ____}
" RE'S THEFFUNERA AL?"__"OY! CHE R A HP!!!"_ "GOF SLA H S!!!"__}
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whit...@whitby02.demon.co.uk
sh...@acse.shef.ac.uk (Jane Shaw) wrote:
>It's Throb! (ittrfp@cr47c) wrote:
>: I did hear a rumour that there was a blind date thing last year
>: (My friends weren't sure as they turned up late and missed it, tho' they're
>: not sure whether it was real or not...)
>
You had to mentiom him didn't you? you just *WOULDN'T* let it lie!!
JO
>
Steve Welburn
In article <503nqs$q...@bignews.shef.ac.uk>
sh...@acse.sheffield.ac.uk "Jane Shaw" writes:
> <shouts desparately> THERE! WILL! BE! NO!
> CUTE-COUPLES-COMPETITION AT! WHITBY!
You're right... there's no competition with Rick's braids and his
cur, short blonde bit...
--
Toodlepip,
Steve Welburn
swel...@trashcity.org
[Adopting crash position]
Jane Shaw
Ian C. (I.S.C...@shu.ac.uk) wrote:
: Ok but Cath and I take the prize for most stressed couples
: and JO takes overall prize for most stressed Goth on The
: planet right now...
Do I get a prize for being so stressed my eyes seem to be doing that thing
where they don't work if they think they are going to see anything that
will upset you more, as in the HHGTTG? <she says, reading the newsgroup
by sonar and touch-typing frantic replies>
"If you don't have a modem, you'll have to learn to whistle very fast"
<one of the Take a Bites>
--
{Jane Shaw______ ____ _____________ ________ ___jane...@sheffield.ac.uk}
{___"OY GOFFI KS!"_ ____ ____"BEE'L JUUU ICE!"_______"MORTISHA AAA! ____}
"WH RE'S THE FUNERA AL?"__"OY! CHE R A HP!!!"__"GOF ICK SLA HTS S!!!"__}
{___ _<'Who s got heels on? No-one Good. We can leg it.'>__ _____ ___}
Jane Shaw
It's Throb! (ittrfp@cr47c) wrote:
: for all the people who can't enter the cute couples stuff, is there?
<shouts desparately> THERE! WILL! BE! NO!
CUTE-COUPLES-COMPETITION AT! WHITBY!
However you may get extra points for entering the sandcastle competition
as a team of singles, especially if some of my cottage-mates have a hand
in helping me make up^H^H^H^H work out the scoring systems...:)
It's Throb!
>> Don't suppose there's any chance of a cute singles competition at whitby,
>> for all the people who can't enter the cute couples stuff, is there?
>
> Yessssss!!! Bounce! Bounce! -Finaly, a competition I can enter!!
> (mind you, I'll still come last.)
>
I did hear a rumour that there was a blind date thing last year
(My friends weren't sure as they turned up late and missed it, tho' they're
not sure whether it was real or not...)
Happening this year? Sounds incredibly stupid, and thus, a good laugh (Which I
need :( )
Throb - Itt...@cr47c.staffs.ac.uk
Sell me a Whitby ticket, I don't want to waste the double room I've got booked
Though I'll probably find they've let the room out anyway, knowing my luck...
Not much of a sig that really, is it? Ho hum...
Gothpat
I.S.C...@shu.ac.uk (Ian C.) wrote:
>In article <841239323.891984@europa>, got...@epinet.co.uk (Gothpat) says:
>>
>>Saw them together at the Mercat in Birmingham...
>>yes, it's another u.k.p.g. cute couple!
>and JO takes overall prize for most stressed Goth on The
> planet right now...
She should talk to Cusraque...I think he was themost stressed goth at
the beginning of the month.
GothPat...who was the most stressedgoth the end of June 1995
Doktor Joy
On Thu, 29 Aug 1996 10:11:13 GMT, got...@epinet.co.uk (Gothpat) did say:
>I.S.C...@shu.ac.uk (Ian C.) wrote:
>
>>In article <841239323.891984@europa>, got...@epinet.co.uk (Gothpat) says:
>>>
>>>Saw them together at the Mercat in Birmingham...
>>>yes, it's another u.k.p.g. cute couple!
>
>>and JO takes overall prize for most stressed Goth on The
>> planet right now...
>
>She should talk to Cusraque...I think he was themost stressed goth at
>the beginning of the month.
?
I've spent the last two years thinking Dominy A Cusraque was a woman...
Oh well...learn somethin new...
Dok
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Count Von Sexbat
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In article <32259c70....@194.80.132.9>
dok...@crypt.demon.co.uk "Doktor Joy" writes:
>I've spent the last two years thinking Dominy A Cusraque was a woman...
>
>Oh well...learn somethin new...
I thought I'd introduced him to you at the Slimelight when he was over?!
Oh well.
/\../\
Gothpat
Count Von Sexbat <sex...@batt.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>In article <32259c70....@194.80.132.9>
> dok...@crypt.demon.co.uk "Doktor Joy" writes:
>>I've spent the last two years thinking Dominy A Cusraque was a woman...
>>
>>Oh well...learn somethin new...
>I thought I'd introduced him to you at the Slimelight when he was over?!
>Oh well.
How could you forget the HAT?
GothPat...who had Cusraque at her home in Chicago for a few days and
actually saw him without the hat on
Felidae
In article <32259c70....@194.80.132.9>,
dok...@crypt.demon.co.uk (Doktor Joy) wrote:
~I've spent the last two years thinking Dominy A Cusraque was a woman...
~
~Oh well...learn somethin new...
~
~Dok
Well, gender-confusion about net.ppl seems to be going around at the
moment.
Felidae
Felidae
In article <841313495.574576@europa>,
got...@epinet.co.uk (Gothpat) wrote:
~She should talk to Cusraque...I think he was themost stressed goth at
~the beginning of the month.
In the one year I've spent in Boston, I have *never* encountered Cusraque
not being stressed.
Felidae