Seeking Sanctuary in Cheltenham?
chris
Hello once again...
Hopefully most people on this ng are aware that the London club
Sanctuary has reemerged in of all places Cheltenham in Gloucestershire,
still run by DJ Candice. As the promoters never seem to get round to
posting to upg these days I will briefly give details -
Sanctuary runs from 7.30 till late (2 I assume, this being Chelt...?)
and only confirmed DJ Candice, last seen at Whitby I believe. The good
folk from Chelt's pop-industrial band 'The Chaos Engine'
(www.chaosengine.com) will be about, but as far as I know not playing,
and it is the Inky's hometown but they are currently playing overseas...
Should be a good deal of amusement as well known pagan goths and members
of the Christian Alternative Network hobnob in the outside, yes you can
drink under the stars, courtyard. Those who participated in the
Chivalry debate can also get the chance to get drunk and further
infuriated with Aviator Dro; the band will NOT play, and you should be
thankful, for we are truly abysmal. Sooty and Sweep meet the Uelvet
Underground, pinky and perky play the Neff...
Anyway, it costs two whole pounds but drinks are low pub prices as I
recall, and security friendly - providing you smoke in the main bar or
toilets as I recall, not that I do - and the venue is adequate, but
Candices lighting is superb - providing he cuts down on the UV so it
looks less like a tacky 70's disco.
Cheltenham is 40 miles west of Oxford, and within one hour of Bristol,
Bath, Cardiff (at a push), Birmingham, Leamington and lots of other
places too small to mention here... :) There is also a good possibility
of crash space if anyone wants it. If you'd like further details e-mail
me or the organisers on ith...@demon.co.uk . And I'd just like to say
that I am nothing to do with the event, so if it goes pear shpaed blame
the organisers, not me!
Chris
Being part of Aviator Dro
Mel, Stephen Mellor
chris ...
Perhaps you'd care to also tell us the date it's on?
/Mel/
mailto:gig...@mel.cix.co.uk for hilarious insurance claim forms. Caution: do not
read this at work as there is no way you will be able to keep a straight face.
Michael Johnson
chris <ch...@februs.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>Hopefully most people on this ng are aware that the London club
>Sanctuary has reemerged in of all places Cheltenham in Gloucestershire
In my youth (ah, the dim & distant past...) I lived in Cheltenham. My
parents live there to this very day (no, they can't provide crash
space for rampaging goths...) In the 80s Cheltenham had the makings
of a decent little goth scene - except it wasn't the 'Goth' scene as
such....stuff like Bauhaus, Killing Joke etc was simply the
alternative music of the time, so the general-alternative scene *was*
gothic. More or less.
Anyway, I remember going to various dodgy clubs like Eve's (just up a
bit from Boots), Charles (round the corner from the Odeon) and the
Night Owl (which was always regarded as scraping the barrel, a bit,
club-wise, but people still went...) - all of these places ran
'alternative' nights, which, in keeping with the spirit of the time.,
were very much punk/goth oriented.
Pubs....well, there was Copperfields (near the Church; a v. gothy
location, in fact) - a curious place, at various times painted
gruesome blue and bright yellow. In a bizarre example of shifting
subcultural territories, it was, at various times, the Biker pub, and
the Mod pub. Maybe they arranged things between them - 'you have this
month, we'll have next month...' Then there was the Cotswold, an
entirely avarage pub with a basement bar which was adopted by the
town's 'alternative' crowd. The pub management were always a bit iffy
about all the weirdos, and at intervals imposed 'no leather jackets'
rules in an attempt to keep things respectable. The entire clientele
would then decamp to another pub, the Cotswold would lose all its
custom, the rule would be abandoned, everyone would come back, and
then, a few months later, it would all happen again. A fine example of
head-up-arse pub management, I always thought!
The Axiom centre, which I remember from it's early days as the
snappily-named 'The Centre For The Performing And Visual Arts' was the
town's one concession to real alternoculture. It was, originally, run
by 'a bunch of hippies with no business sense' - so said a bloke I
knew who had a graphic design studio there. He never paid the rent,
and they never chased him for it! I'd like to think it's slightly
more robustly organised now.... In spite of the 'Performing Arts' bit
of the name, the one facility the place did not provide was a
performance space for bands. These days, I've noticed bands *do*
occasionally play in Cheltenham, so Axiom must have belatedly fixed up
something. However, the entire bottom-left corner of England still
seems to be a cultural wasteland as far as gigs are concerned, and I'm
not sure why this should be so. There *must* be some sort of audience
there...if Axiom really plugged Cheltenham's well-connected location,
booked some quality bands, and generally decided to really go for
it.....who knows? There's a gap to be filled, and nobody's filling it!
But then, this is Cheltenham. The concept of 'Going for it' never
really existed in Cheltenham. Not that sort of town!
Mind you, it always wins the 'Britain in Bloom' competition.....
--
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http://www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~uncle/nemesis.htm
chris
>
>Perhaps you'd care to also tell us the date it's on?
Cheers Mel!
AAAAAGGGHHHHHHH! having been moved to slaughter after fourteen years of
pacifism by the flies in my house their unquiet spirits now wrack karmic
revenge by befuddling my senses...
It's on MAY 21st, that's this Thursday night. Bank holiday weekend in
Chelt pretty good usually, so if you can get a sickie on friday stay and
take in the clubs - The Attic (Friday) a mixture of rock, goth,
industrial - also try the pubs, best goth scene COTSWOLDS, PRINCE OF
WALES - try back garden and DOG and DONUT out of town on way to
station...
Mel, a million apologies - i was born idiotic, and nothing improved
--
chris
chris
> In the 80s Cheltenham had the makings
>of a decent little goth scene - except it wasn't the 'Goth' scene as
>such....stuff like Bauhaus, Killing Joke etc
Remeber those days with nostalgia, though i was in Suffolk then. I came
to Chelt in '87, and first thing puzzled me - no goths! Somehow managed
to miss Hirez - were you still here then Uncle? Cheltenham far from
dead today however... :)
>Anyway, I remember going to various dodgy clubs like Eve's (just up a
>bit from Boots)
Charles (round the corner from the Odeon)
One of these, I think Charles has been reopened as Time, a seriously
trendy lime green flares dance round your handbag and make sure the
videos set for 'friends' kind of affair...
and the
>Night Owl (which was always regarded as scraping the barrel)
it still is! today it's the Attic, and there is a pretty good goth set,
or was a few months back anyway, on Friday night, though Sat may be
better..
all of these places ran
>'alternative' nights, which, in keeping with the spirit of the time.,
>were very much punk/goth oriented.
And Hell (later hellrazor) at Gas? DJ Johnny plays Enigma these days on
monday, as far as I know, same music, and I did a punk/goth/alternative
80's (rather NMA, DK, JD, Bauhaus heavy) night at Ballantyne's (formerly
Black Velvet)) till recently, but hey, now that's Icon and a gay club.
Still Cheltenham has 7 nightclubs and dozens of late licenses, and two
goth events a month - I'm looking to restart Phantasmagoria my night,
but lack of suitable venue and no desire to step on Candice's toes...
>
>Pubs....well, there was Copperfields
Copperfields was raided and closed. Today a pub called Two Pigs, most
packed place i have ever been. Ask roger the DJ on friday or saturday
night to play the music he plays for Chris Romer (we used to DJ
together) and you will get JD, Cure, Bauhaus, Siouxie, etc, etc. Ask
for Goth and you will get Temple of Love.. :) 2 pigs packed with Time
look a likes, but upstairs alternative bar plays Inspiral carpets, happy
mondays, madchester, Morrisey, james, etc - 89-92 indie basically. Not
really my scene but hey, why not? Open till 1am, admission free, every
friday and Saturday...
> Then there was the Cotswold, an
>entirely avarage pub with a basement bar which was adopted by the
>town's 'alternative' crowd.
And still is. Copperfields crowd drink their now except for Bikers who
now drink at Engineers, which they own, and a damned fine pub if you
like metal. Cotswold has very biker/goth/alternative crowd - naturally
I drink at Prince of Wales, totally quiet pub two doors down, always in
back garden... Always felt an outsider, even amidst goths... could be
the second head? (or the fact don't wear make-up?)
>The Axiom centre, which I remember from it's early days as the
>snappily-named 'The Centre For The Performing And Visual Arts' was the
>town's one concession to real alternoculture.
Yup, remember those days. Worked with ex-manager Tim Cews running
Shaftesbury as community arts project before that collapsed last year -
well me Polly and LJ worked, tim made management decisions and we tried
to circumvent them - great teenage punk scene developed there - great to
see fifteen year olds kicking shit out of each other to Buzzcocks, took
me back to my youth, while I broke up fights, sorted out teenage love
triangles... :)
Axiom pretty good these days - a bit art school Pat Yates mystical
cooperative bran flake tuna hostile dolphin loving for my tastes, but
I'm hard to please. Never ever set foot in place. Both Axiom and Attic
formerly Nightowl have bands - 60 foot dolls a few weeks back, UKSubs
next week... SLF also played Chelt last year, and there was a brief
punk season of once famous bands at the Coliseum, now ended...
> However, the entire bottom-left corner of England still
>seems to be a cultural wasteland
But there are bands, and they play regularly. Inkubbus Sukkubus live
here, play here and probably sabbat and esbat here, Chaos Engine
(www.chaosengine.com) are notorious, Skinflowers always around, and
Aviator Dro are aware of at least six new goth/darkwave/punk bands who
play Chelt venues. Cheltenham kicking - just noone mentions it... :)
Cheers Uncle - hope this interests you! And do come and visit us!
A Public Information Announcement
Avaitor Dro
dre...@soton.ac.uk
> Hopefully most people on this ng are aware that the London club
> Sanctuary has reemerged in of all places Cheltenham in Gloucestershire,
> still run by DJ Candice. As the promoters never seem to get round to
> posting to upg these days.
There is rumour of a sotoncommando trip up to Cheltnam in the summer - since
our favourate landlord'n'lady Dave + Claire were kidnapped and sent to lurk
around the welsh border in Cheltnam - we've been promising to visit.
Seperately from that I will be trundling over from my nr luton home in the
summer - and maybe spinning some tunes if 'candice' (giggles) and I get round
to sorting it out -and I'll try to grab a car full of oxfrod types to come
down as well.
Anyway - a review of the actual night - in terms of music and stuff would be
nice if possible - and for me maybe a list of some of the stuff people would
like to here but that candy isn't playing.
Dave (G)
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Ratz
In article <HAGn3iA$LWY1Ews$@februs.demon.co.uk>, chris
<ch...@februs.demon.co.uk> did scribble
>
>> In the 80s Cheltenham had the makings
>>of a decent little goth scene - except it wasn't the 'Goth' scene as
>>such....stuff like Bauhaus, Killing Joke etc
>
1983ish, I believe. It was held in the nightclub (Charlses?) that kina
poked out the back of the Crown on Albion St. (what is now, Time?, it's
been awhile...). Dead good it was too. Lots of the emergent New
Romantic - protogoth and the like <sigh>. I had a lot more hair back
then. Poo.
Anway, if you will permit me to ramble a bit, about that time I was
still at school and had a woodwork teacher by the name of Coleman. One
day he came in to school (Monkscroft, now deceseased, R.I.fuckin'P.)
with a whole bunch of 12 inch recordings of his sons new band. First
pressings, fully signed and on red vinyl.
And The record: Love Like Blood...look a quid was a lot of money back
then and I...and I.....<sob>
On a different note, 'sounds like 'nam is getting good once more. I
think it will always remain my spiritual home (and at least, one of my
offspring!)- I do kinda *miss* it. I'll be back just as soon as I've
finished school...
Patrick Yates...Lives?
--
Love, Life & Librium... Thelema
-------
Agape Ratz.
chris
>There is rumour of a sotoncommando trip up to Cheltnam in the summer - since
>our favourate landlord'n'lady Dave + Claire were kidnapped and sent to lurk
>around the welsh border in Cheltnam - we've been promising to visit.
Wittgenstein jokes on chivalry thread, yup, Dave and Claire running Dog
n Donut, nice folk, met at last event which I did review. Understand
you all coming up in two weeks time for next D and D club with no name,
soon to be revised to 'Candice's Salon for Philosophical Enquiry',
please check your Wittgenstein at the door, no a priori assumptions and
may the best rheotoric win...
Well according to dave and Claire you are coming up next time. Aviator
Dro will wecome you with what lavish hospitality they can afford, and
shall cheerfully discuss theology, philosophy, art, music and probably
Luton, though i wonder if you knew Tim Baker or Marcus Holland there?
Shall post more details of this night nearer time, really look forward
to seeing new faces!
--
chris, still with
Aviator Dro - heck, it's been days...
Pete Scathe
Ratz <ra...@superstition.demon.co.uk> wrote
>
>Anway, if you will permit me to ramble a bit, about that time I was
>still at school and had a woodwork teacher by the name of Coleman. One
>day he came in to school (Monkscroft, now deceseased, R.I.fuckin'P.)
>with a whole bunch of 12 inch recordings of his sons new band. First
>pressings, fully signed and on red vinyl.
>
>And The record: Love Like Blood...look a quid was a lot of money back
>then and I...and I.....<sob>
>
Mind you, don't know about *new* band- Killing Joke had been going for a
good few years before they released "Love Like Blood".
--
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club info & daft haircuts: www.scathe.demon.co.uk/
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dre...@soton.ac.uk
> Hi Dave - fresh from replying to your detailed analysis of my
> Wittgenstein jokes on chivalry thread,
hey - me too that and abusing londoners - this is getting far to cosy.
> yup, Dave and Claire running Dog n Donut,
Aaah - you see I said the pub had a daft name - but they mailed a fellow
commando saying it was the 'somethingposhsounding' hotel. Explination at all?
> nice folk, met at last event which I did review. Understand
> you all coming up in two weeks time for next D and D club with no name,
I doubt it - I'll be in the middle of exams at the very least - and I can't
recall anyone else saing there going. But I'm sure various of us will be
making a pilrimage in the not to distant future.
What night is the D+D night
(And should we bring multisided dice...sorry couldn't resist!)
> soon to be revised to 'Candice's Salon for Philosophical Enquiry',
Ha- Mr Ice is no challange - although I believe his young lass is doing a phil
degree - must get to talk to *her*[1] at some point
> please check your Wittgenstein at the door, no a priori assumptions and
> may the best rheotoric win...
I'll happily drop the apriori and convince you all of necassary empirical
truths or something. But as I said I do have an unfair advantage on W[2].
> Well according to dave and Claire you are coming up next time. Aviator
> Dro will wecome you with what lavish hospitality they can afford, and
> shall cheerfully discuss theology, philosophy, art, music
Theology should be fun - I kinda count as a member of CAN - so bring on the
flaky pagans.(tmJ)
> and probably
> Luton, though i wonder if you knew Tim Baker or Marcus Holland there?
Of course - although it took Tim and I ages to work out we were both on UPG!
How do you know Luton then? (That should probably go to e-mail!)
> Shall post more details of this night nearer time, really look forward
> to seeing new faces!
At some point.
> --
> chris, still with
> Aviator Dro - heck, it's been days...
Tough life. ;)
Dave (G)
[1] As opposed to talking to Andi while she stands next to him
[2] Go read the W biography entitled L.W - The Duty of Genius - It's a fab
book and I was abusing/gossiping it's author earlier today.
Candice
On Tue, 19 May 1998 10:20:44 +0100, chris <ch...@februs.demon.co.uk>
wrote:
>Hello once again...
>
>Hopefully most people on this ng are aware that the London club
>Sanctuary has reemerged in of all places Cheltenham in Gloucestershire,
>still run by DJ Candice. As the promoters never seem to get round to
>posting to upg these days I will briefly give details -
>
>Sanctuary runs from 7.30 till late (2 I assume, this being Chelt...?)
>and only confirmed DJ Candice, last seen at Whitby I believe. The good
>folk from Chelt's pop-industrial band 'The Chaos Engine'
>(www.chaosengine.com) will be about, but as far as I know not playing,
>and it is the Inky's hometown but they are currently playing overseas...
>Should be a good deal of amusement as well known pagan goths and members
>of the Christian Alternative Network hobnob in the outside, yes you can
>drink under the stars, courtyard. Those who participated in the
>Chivalry debate can also get the chance to get drunk and further
>infuriated with Aviator Dro; the band will NOT play, and you should be
>thankful, for we are truly abysmal. Sooty and Sweep meet the Uelvet
>Underground, pinky and perky play the Neff...
>
>Anyway, it costs two whole pounds but drinks are low pub prices as I
>recall, and security friendly - providing you smoke in the main bar or
>toilets as I recall, not that I do - and the venue is adequate, but
>Candices lighting is superb - providing he cuts down on the UV so it
>looks less like a tacky 70's disco.
The UV was only 400 watts!!! And sorry but I like our tacky rope light
- yes it is the same one that was above the stage at Whitby
>Cheltenham is 40 miles west of Oxford, and within one hour of Bristol,
>Bath, Cardiff (at a push), Birmingham, Leamington and lots of other
>places too small to mention here... :) There is also a good possibility
>of crash space if anyone wants it. If you'd like further details e-mail
>me or the organisers on ith...@demon.co.uk . And I'd just like to say
>that I am nothing to do with the event, so if it goes pear shpaed blame
>the organisers, not me!
Our Email is sanc...@ithaqua.demon.co.uk If you need crash places
let us know ASAP as space is fairly tight
>
>Chris
>Being part of Aviator Dro
Thanks for the posting Chris, Ive been horribly tied up (oo-er) with a
tour that no-one went too and haven't had time to get on the 'net much
over the last weekend
Watch out for Sanctaury live events too, as they are arranged I'll get
round to posting details
Candice
<can...@ithaqua.demon.co.uk>
Adrian the Rock
un...@globalnet.co.uk (Michael Johnson) writes:
>
>.. These days, I've noticed bands *do*
>occasionally play in Cheltenham, so Axiom must have belatedly fixed up
>something.
Yep, there's a room at the very back with a small stage and capacity
for (I guess) about 200. Saw Porcupine Tree play there last autumn,
then more recently the Inkies. Drugstore also played there
recently... but I shunted the car on the way down for that one! :(
They seem to have something on almost every night, though not all
Goth.
I'd give quite a lot to have a place like that here in Horsham!
Cheltenham (and Nottingham) are brill by comparison.
Adrian
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Horsham, West Sussex, England http://www.roscalen.demon.co.uk/
Michael Johnson
Ratz <ra...@superstition.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>Anway, if you will permit me to ramble a bit, about that time I was
>still at school and had a woodwork teacher by the name of Coleman. One
>day he came in to school (Monkscroft, now deceseased, R.I.fuckin'P.)
>with a whole bunch of 12 inch recordings of his sons new band. First
>pressings, fully signed and on red vinyl.
Heh. Yes, Jaz Coleman is a former resident of Cheltenham. My sister,
when she was a trainee hairdresser, once washed his mum's hair!
Every time Killing Joke do something newsworthy, the Echo (local
paper) interview Mrs Coleman, presumably as the next best thing to Jaz
himself. She usually comes out with hilarious 'doting mum' type stuff,
like how young Jeremy (for that is Jaz's real name...) sang like a
little angel when he was in the school choir..... Hmmm. Funny, we
haven't heard much of this 'angelic' style with Killing Joke, have we?
Anyway, Jaz went to Bournside school, which we scruffy 'erberts who
went to Cleeve always regarded as the *posh* school.....
Well, all that's comprehensively buggered Jaz Coleman's street cred,
then, hasn't it? Years of record company marketing effort up the
spout in an instant!
chris
Uncle, talking of Cheltenham bands Lee from local band the Chaos Engine
has just offered to produce Aviator Dro. He also recognised your name
instantly and asked me to say hi! If anyone is interested in the Chaos
Engine and their industrial-goth-pop whatever, they have a really
awesome webpage at http://www.chaosengine.com...
--
chris
Matt Bocci
chris wrote:
>
> Hello once again...
>
> Hopefully most people on this ng are aware that the London club
> Sanctuary has reemerged in of all places Cheltenham in Gloucestershire,
> still run by DJ Candice. As the promoters never seem to get round to
> posting to upg these days I will briefly give details -
>
Err... could someone please explain this to me. Is this "London"
Sanctuary the Edgeware Road one of 1993/94? The one run by Owen? With
DJs Ben and Andy, and Nashie for a bit?
(A very confused) Matt
Jason
Hiya, due to a Deja news failure, Wendi asked me to post her reply to
this:
Michael Johnson wrote:
> However, the entire bottom-left corner of England still
> seems to be a cultural wasteland as far as gigs are concerned, and I'm
> not sure why this should be so.
Though generally true, there's been a number of gigs in the area
recently
i.e. NMA, Inkies, Damned, AATT, Nekromantik (this one reputedly pulled
about 200 last week) and club-wise things are fairly good with various
nights in Bristol, Bathand Cheltenham ATM. And the first JuDas did
indeed get nigh on 300 ppl through the door.
TTFN
Jase
chris
Owen sounds familiar, but unfortunately I can not remeber the location
of the London club, it may well have been Edgware road. DJ Candice as
HE calls himself these days is called Andy, and probably the same - you
can e-mail him at sanc...@sanctaury.demon.co.uk to ask him about this,
or any other question regarding night. Sanctuary - the one Candice is
from - had a black and white chequered tile floor in part of it I think.
Useful huh?
Hopefully Andy can explain - see you all there tomorrow night?
cheers
chris
--
chris
chris
>about 200 last week) and club-wise things are fairly good with various
>nights in Bristol, Bathand Cheltenham ATM. And the first JuDas did
>indeed get nigh on 300 ppl through the door.
make more of an effort to make it to nights and gigs than would be the
case if they had London's variety and possibility. I'm just saddened by
the fact that we never get a band the size of New Model Army play here -
ok, not goth, but one of my faves...
And talking of getting 300 people through the door, even though once
again i emphasise that I have no stake in it Sanctuary the goth night is
tommorrow at the Axiom Centre, Cheltenham, e-mail me or the organisers
sanc...@sanctuary.demon.co.uk for details. Anyone coming?
cheers
chris
--
chris
chris
AAAAAAAAGGGGGGGGGHHHH!
Ok, so I am stupid - I wrote
> e-mail me or the organisers
>sanc...@sanctuary.demon.co.uk for details. Anyone coming?
having got it wrong in my original post. The correct e-mail address for
Sanctuary '98 is
my apologies
--
chris
Michael Johnson
Jason <jason@dark_spam_wave.org.uk> wrote:
>Though generally true, there's been a number of gigs in the area
>recently
>i.e. NMA, Inkies, Damned, AATT, Nekromantik (this one reputedly pulled
>about 200 last week) and club-wise things are fairly good with various
>nights in Bristol, Bathand Cheltenham ATM. And the first JuDas did
>indeed get nigh on 300 ppl through the door.
The reason I made my original remark about the South-West being
(apparently) a gig-free zone is that bands sometimes ask me about
out-of-London gig-opportunities. I give them all the usual info, ie
the Mercat in Birmingham, various Nottingham things, Dissolution in
Sheffield, Romek & Emily's stuff in Norwich, etc...and I'm always
painfully aware that there's a large chunk of the country, more or
less bottom-left of Birmingham, where nothing ever seems to happen,
or, if it does, nobody bothers to tell the rest of the world!
If there *are* decent, no-bullshit gig-opportunities in the SW, push
out the info, someone, and the bands will come to you! I mean, you
*could* have Sunshine Blind, if you wanted......any takers?
I should point out that a while back Jo posted something here asking
if anyone could sort out a Faith & The Muse gig in Bristol or
thereabouts - and nobody was interested!
So, personally, I remain to be convinced. If there are genuine
opportunities for bands to play - prove it! The virtual gauntlet has
been thrown down!
Michael Johnson
Matt Bocci <mbo...@sprint.ca> wrote:
>Err... could someone please explain this to me. Is this "London"
>Sanctuary the Edgeware Road one of 1993/94?
Well, unless I've got everything horribly wrong, yes, it *is* the
Edgeware Road club, re-born about 100 miles west. I used to go to the
London version.......a small basement place under the Kings Arms
Hotel. Good when it was crowded and jumping, a bit crap when it wasn't
so busy. Same with any club, I suppose. Bands used to play there from
time to time (the Stun, Vendemmian) and these were often the busiest &
best nights.... I believe the club ran up to 1996, and then kind of
shuddered to a halt, basically because eveyone went up the Slime
instead.
>The one run by Owen? With
>DJs Ben and Andy, and Nashie for a bit?
I remember Owen. Haven't seen him for ages, but he had a fierce,
fetish-babe girlfriend who dragged him to the Torture Garden once. I
rember seeing them there....*she* looked like she was having the time
of her life...*he* looked frightened to death! Ben still DJs at Malice
Underground (and *still* plays the same bloody set - he *is* Mr
At-Last-The-1989-Show) - Dave Nash went to live in Germany for a bit,
but now he's back & he's running the Excession/This Burning Effigy
info service - and he's probably reading this now! <waves>
The old Edgeware Road basement still exists, now just used as the
hotel's function room type thing. Anyone who fancies starting a club -
there's yer venue!
chris
>
>If there *are* decent, no-bullshit gig-opportunities in the SW, push
>out the info, someone, and the bands will come to you! I mean, you
>*could* have Sunshine Blind, if you wanted......any takers?
>So, personally, I remain to be convinced. If there are genuine
>opportunities for bands to play - prove it! The virtual gauntlet has
>been thrown down!
Ok, Uncle, you know Cheltenham. There are endless venues here for bands
to play, but they are max 250 -500 or min 5,000, which may be a
problem...
Derek and Andy (Candice) are putting on Sanctuary in Chelt at the Axiom
every month, as I endlessly mention, and are looking for bands to play
the venue which the Inkies played a couple of weeks back, that is the
Axiom back hall. The (correct) e-mail address for anyone interested is
sanc...@ithaqua.demon.co.uk That is a definite, and they want bands
so contact them.
Secondly; The Attic Nightclub, High St, Cheltenham (number from
directory enquiries)- formerly Night Owl - is a metal/industrial/some
goth club with a good series of gigs in the last few weeks, including
Sixty Foot Dolls and UKSubs (this week sometime). I think they would
welcome any goth band, and they have a couple of goth DJ's.
The third option is not so good, but if you are a promoter and reading
this and know what you are doing and can pull a crowd, well...
The college (university sector) CGCHE has a couple of good large venues,
and Chris T the Entertainments Officer at the Student Union is putting
on a 13,000 capacity gig over the summer featuring Catatonia and Space
(UUUGGGHHH!). (The Big Gig - details on website below) Now Chris
actually knows and likes alternative music, but noone approaches him -
and he has venues ranging from 150 to as prev. stated 13,000. So any
band interested could either take a look at the college website
http://www.chelt.ac.uk/su/ and mail him or phone CGCHE Student's union
and ask for Chris Tarren, and arrange to fax him details of your band,
demos, etc. Cheap is probably the most important factor in his
selection...
The fourth option is the racecourse, which welcomes gigs with audiences
of the 5-20,000 mark, as far as I can see. Note this is my opinion
based on what I've noticed, but if you are a major UK artistse and can
pull that - I think you would need quite a good line up to get 10,000
goths together... :)
I'm sure I've missed a lot out - in fact i may assemble a Guide to
Gothick Gloucestershire if anyone interested, assembing reports from
what people e-mail me. Now it's up to Bristol, Stroud etc, etc to
suggest what they can offer.
Last point - Cheltenham an ideal venue as 50 miles from Birmingham,
Bristol, Cardiff and forty miles from Oxford - slap in the middle....
Anyway, hope this helps a little.
--
chris
Jason
Michael Johnson wrote:
> If there *are* decent, no-bullshit gig-opportunities in the SW, push
> out the info, someone, and the bands will come to you! I mean, you
> *could* have Sunshine Blind, if you wanted......any takers?
Yep I reckon they'd fit into the Bierkeller nicely -It was packed out
for the Damned gig the other month -that's around 700-800 people.
And the Full Moon holds about 200 as Necromantic found to their suprise
;)
> I should point out that a while back Jo posted something here asking
> if anyone could sort out a Faith & The Muse gig in Bristol or
> thereabouts - and nobody was interested!
Hmmmmmm....I didn't see the post myself.
Perhaps the 'someone else is bound to reply' attitude caused it to fall
over....
TTFN
Jase
Alex Page
chris wrote in message ...
>I'm sure I've missed a lot out - in fact i may assemble a Guide to
>Gothick Gloucestershire if anyone interested, assembing reports from
>what people e-mail me.
You'll be lucky... people from your area giving feedback and info for a
local webpage???
Alex (hint hint MancGoffs)
Michael Johnson
chris <ch...@februs.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>Ok, Uncle, you know Cheltenham. There are endless venues here for bands
>to play, but they are max 250 -500
That sounds about right. That ties in with the usual UK club-circuit.
For comparison, the Mercat is 200 capacity (OK, it's a
pub-with-a-temporary-stage-in-the-corner, not a 'real' venue, but it's
part of the circuit all the same), the Foundry in Birmingham is (ISTR)
350, the Rig (Rock City) is 500, the Camden Underworld, 500, the
Borderline 275...... so we're in the right area. I think bands are
usually more concerned about the quality of the PA, and whether
rampaging groupies are going to nick their guitars, than capacities
and stuff. That's the *promoter's* worry!
>Derek and Andy (Candice) are putting on Sanctuary in Chelt at the Axiom
>every month, as I endlessly mention, and are looking for bands to play
>the venue which the Inkies played a couple of weeks back, that is the
>Axiom back hall. The (correct) e-mail address for anyone interested is
>sanc...@ithaqua.demon.co.uk That is a definite, and they want bands
>so contact them.
I'll forward this to Sunshine Blind asap.....
Candice
On Tue, 19 May 1998 22:55:58 -0400, Matt Bocci <mbo...@sprint.ca>
wrote:
>Err... could someone please explain this to me. Is this "London"
>Sanctuary the Edgeware Road one of 1993/94? The one run by Owen? With
>DJs Ben and Andy, and Nashie for a bit?
>
>(A very confused) Matt
Yep, one and same, direct from The Kings Arms basement on Edgeware
road with the "bathroom" floor.
Where is Thin Bloke these days?
Candice
<can...@ithaqua.demon.co.uk>
Candice
>Matt Bocci <mbo...@sprint.ca> wrote:
>
>>Err... could someone please explain this to me. Is this "London"
>>Sanctuary the Edgeware Road one of 1993/94?
>
>Well, unless I've got everything horribly wrong, yes, it *is* the
>Edgeware Road club, re-born about 100 miles west. I used to go to the
>London version.......a small basement place under the Kings Arms
>Hotel. Good when it was crowded and jumping, a bit crap when it wasn't
>so busy. Same with any club, I suppose. Bands used to play there from
>time to time (the Stun, Vendemmian) and these were often the busiest &
>best nights.... I believe the club ran up to 1996, and then kind of
>shuddered to a halt, basically because eveyone went up the Slime
>instead.
>
Sanctuary closed when Ben , Dave & I decided it was no longer worth
the hassle and quit because Owen wanted to change too much.
He then brought in other DJs but without too much success. A couple of
weeks later Steve Hardy (Bimbette) approached the venue with a view to
putting on a metal night which ran for a while.
>
>The old Edgeware Road basement still exists, now just used as the
>hotel's function room type thing. Anyone who fancies starting a club -
>there's yer venue!
One of these days I might move back to the Smoke and try something
there again, in the meantime Sanctuary will live in the 'Nam, and
aren't Sacrilege looking for a home?
Candice
<can...@ithaqua.demon.co.uk>
wen...@netcity.co.uk
In article <6ju854$m1f$1...@heliodor.xara.net>,
un...@globalnet.co.uk (Michael Johnson) wrote:
>
> I'm always
> painfully aware that there's a large chunk of the country, more or
> less bottom-left of Birmingham, where nothing ever seems to happen,
> or, if it does, nobody bothers to tell the rest of the world!
<g> nah we just like to keep it well hidden to keep out the vurriners ;)
> If there *are* decent, no-bullshit gig-opportunities in the SW, push
> out the info, someone, and the bands will come to you! I mean, you
> *could* have Sunshine Blind, if you wanted......any takers?
dunno 'bout other areas, but a few things about Bristol...
- the ppl who currently organise stuff in Bristol don't read or post on ukpg
(i.e. those associated with JuDas and Elric's)
- Faith and The Muse was considered, but it wasn't feasible. The problem is
that there is only The Full Moon or The Bierkeller. The Fleece & Firkin is
too expensive. The Full Moon may be used more now, as the Bierkeller is
reserved for bigger crowd pullers.
Please visit http://visitweb.com/methedreame and e-mail any offers, ideas and,
most importantly, contacts. And let us know how much Sunshine Blind want!
Wendi
Tiras
On Tue, 19 May 1998 19:29:18 GMT, dre...@soton.ac.uk wrote:
>
>> yup, Dave and Claire running Dog n Donut,
>
>Aaah - you see I said the pub had a daft name - but they mailed a fellow
>commando saying it was the 'somethingposhsounding' hotel. Explination at all?
>
The Dog & Donut is the bar in the base of the (now unused) Lansdown
Hotel - Hence the formal title is "The Lansdown - Dog & Donut".
I have the dubious honour of pulling pints for our much loved Dave &
Claire as well as helping organise the new Sanctuary and Club with No
Name events.
Hope this clears things up!
Regards,
Tiras
<ti...@ithaqua.demon.co.uk>
Tiras
On Wed, 20 May 1998 10:06:54 +0100, chris <ch...@februs.demon.co.uk>
wrote:
>Owen sounds familiar, but unfortunately I can not remeber the location
>of the London club, it may well have been Edgware road. DJ Candice as
>HE calls himself these days is called Andy, and probably the same - you
>can e-mail him at sanc...@sanctaury.demon.co.uk to ask him about this,
>or any other question regarding night. Sanctuary - the one Candice is
>from - had a black and white chequered tile floor in part of it I think.
>Useful huh?
For the second or third time Chris manages to give a totally wrong
e-mail address!!
Once and for all, for the record the e-mail address for Sanctuary is
sanc...@ithaqua.demon.co.uk
I can be found at
ti...@ithaqua.demon.co.uk
and my parter in crime DJ Candice is at
can...@ithaqua.demon.co.uk
arn't multiple mailboxes really usefull things!!
Regards,
Tiras
<ti...@ithaqua.demon.co.uk>
Tiras
On Tue, 19 May 1998 19:03:06 GMT, Candice wrote:
>
>
>Watch out for Sanctaury live events too, as they are arranged I'll get
^^^^^^^^
>round to posting details
>
>
>Candice
><can...@ithaqua.demon.co.uk>
You would think after all the work we've put in my partner in crime
would at least spell the name of the club right would'nt you!!
Regards,
Tiras
<ti...@ithaqua.demon.co.uk>
Tiras
On Tue, 19 May 1998 14:27:09 +0100, chris <ch...@februs.demon.co.uk>
wrote:
>Well according to dave and Claire you are coming up next time. Aviator
>Dro will wecome you with what lavish hospitality they can afford, and
>shall cheerfully discuss theology, philosophy, art, music and probably
>Luton, though i wonder if you knew Tim Baker or Marcus Holland there?
>Shall post more details of this night nearer time, really look forward
>to seeing new faces!
Aviator Dro - AKA Chris affording lavish hospitality??? This i've got
to see! (He still owes me for a huge phone bill!).
Go on then Chris - explain how you plan to come up with some money and
tell the other innocents who don't know you as well as I do what makes
that very strange mind of yours and your bands tick.
Oh and if "You are a strange, strange man and I claim my five pounds"
holds true (ref. Chivalry thread) I saw him first - It's mine.
Regards,
Tiras
<ti...@ithaqua.demon.co.uk>
Alexander
That's the third plug for Chaos Engine you've made this week...
If I didn't know any better, I'd say you were doing a Virtual
Nemesis... ;)
Or even worse, a DavidB; heaven forbid!
--
~Alexander : Essential Well-Hard Crucial Re-Mix
The Facts: http://www.alexander.darkwave.org.uk/
The trouble with most of us is that we stop trying in trying times. - Denis Waitley, (1985)
chris
>
>>Well according to dave and Claire you are coming up next time. Aviator
>>Dro will wecome you with what lavish hospitality they can afford, and
>>shall cheerfully discuss theology, philosophy, art, music and probably
>>Luton, though i wonder if you knew Tim Baker or Marcus Holland there?
>>Shall post more details of this night nearer time, really look forward
>>to seeing new faces!
>
>Aviator Dro - AKA Chris affording lavish hospitality??? This i've got
>to see! (He still owes me for a huge phone bill!).
Aviator Dro's line up has expanded somewhat. Current line up - David
Sivier, David Curtin, Chris Jensen Romer, Chris Dillon and Angelica plus
Chaos engineer Lee's noble assistance plus the audience plus the sound
of apricots burning...
We have little money, it is true, and no alcohol or drugs. We can do a
very nice selection of cheese and pineapple on sticks with which you can
scratch bauhaus lyrics over your pulsing machine hearts. We would
attempt to serve recipes from Marinetti's Futurist Bookbook but sadly
may infringe health and safety and get mayo and iron filings all over
Candices CD's. And so our lavish hospitality will be in the alacrity
with which we accept your offers of drinks... :)
>
>Go on then Chris - explain how you plan to come up with some money and
>tell the other innocents who don't know you as well as I do what makes
>that very strange mind of yours and your bands tick.
>
Very kind of you, but folk not interested - however as chivalry thing
put backs up may as well sweetly smile and explain a little. :)
I am a very simple man; the band is, as I have previously said, an
attempt to reconcile the more interesting aspects of the futurist and
machine aesthetic with the passeist decadent romanticism of goth - we
beleive this to be almost impossible, and it is through this tension
that most of what is finest in goth was born. Floodland by the SOM has
that tension, Substance by JD has it, and Bauhaus exemplify it - but
Bauhaus surely knew marinetti and the Futurists 'Who killed Mr
Moonlight?' Bauhaus, vs. marinetti's 1914 manifesto 'Let's murder the
moonlight!' Brilliant chaps Bauhaus. other bands influential on my
thinking and band early Bowie, Jefferson airplane, Japan...
We may be, and probably are talking steaming piles of jism, but hell,
anyone can express an opinion. The band has no musical ability, and
most of us work in fringe journalism, parapsychology or as folklorists.
We like people and welcome all to cheltenham - you are prob. better
musicians than us. And we promise not to play very often... :)
And tell me - since when have goth and BDSM overlapped? I had to ask...
:)
>Oh and if "You are a strange, strange man and I claim my five pounds"
>holds true (ref. Chivalry thread) I saw him first - It's mine.
>
Cheers T, cheers Andy... Sorry to be such an annoying newbie.
>Regards,
>
>Tiras
><ti...@ithaqua.demon.co.uk>
--
chris
chris
>
>That's the third plug for Chaos Engine you've made this week...
>If I didn't know any better, I'd say you were doing a Virtual
>Nemesis... ;)
>
>Or even worse, a DavidB; heaven forbid!
HA! I have plugged Sanctuary much, much more, despite the fact that I
never plugged my own night once - it seemed rude. And I don't actually
like industrial pop, but the Chaos engine do have a pretty website, and
everyone makes us poor countryhicks down here in Cheltenham sound so
provincial that it's nice to point out we have bands - i would mention
inky sukks webpage but i can't remember the address, and I never bored
anyone with Aviator Dro's URL, because that would be rather immodest,
and because our page is toss, much like the band. And yes we can say
that, but we do have a reputation to maintain... :)
What btw is a virtual Nemesis? I have been careful to point out I am
not a promoter and no one has paid me a penny for anything I do; it's
just it's really starting to happen down here, and it's about bloody
time, and there is excitement in the air with the angst and ozone...
If anyone does need a bored writer...
See you at... the S place!
--
chris
Michael Johnson
alex...@deathsdoor.com (Alexander) wrote:
>On Tue, 19 May 1998 23:28:47 +0100, chris wrote:
>>If anyone is interested in the Chaos
>>Engine and their industrial-goth-pop whatever, they have a really
>>awesome webpage at http://www.chaosengine.com...
>That's the third plug for Chaos Engine you've made this week...
>If I didn't know any better, I'd say you were doing a Virtual
>Nemesis... ;)
Oi!
Actually, Chaos Engine are a v. good band. Should be doing better
gigs than the Vamps & Tramps thing @ Whitby! (Still, they scared off
Nosferatu....)
However, re. gigs etc in Cheltenham - I recently swapped mailing lists
with Chaos Engine, and I noticed that their list had loads of
Cheltenham people on it. I remarked to the band that it was surprising
that the town had so many industrio-alternative types. The band said
it wasn't *quite* as good as it seemed... in fact they said 'Don't
bother sending stuff to all the Cheltenham people, they never come out
even when we're playing a local gig!'
Anyway....the Chaos Engine & Inkies websites are linked from the
Nemesis site. Your one-stop shop sor everything....
--
Uncle Nemesis > Michael Johnson >Un...@globalnet.co.uk
http://www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~uncle/nemesis.htm
chris
>
>However, re. gigs etc in Cheltenham - I recently swapped mailing lists
>with Chaos Engine, and I noticed that their list had loads of
>Cheltenham people on it. I remarked to the band that it was surprising
>that the town had so many industrio-alternative types. The band said
>it wasn't *quite* as good as it seemed... in fact they said 'Don't
>bother sending stuff to all the Cheltenham people, they never come out
>even when we're playing a local gig!'
I am on the Chaos Engine list, and I almost never make it to the local
gigs - a prophet is without honour in his own country, and there are a
huge umber of goths and industrial freaks in Chelt - the Chaos Engine
pull 150 to 300 most gigs if i remember rightly. We do try and make it
to gigs, but Chaos Industrial very different from Inkkubus Suk pagan
rock - though Lee and Candia dueted together recently...
Cheltenham s beginning to buzz again, and despite my 12 month stint as a
goth DJ with no audience - I left twenty goth friend down the pub each
night to go and play the club while they remained because the cider was
chea and to quote 'no one ever goes' <bitter> so I played to ten people
I didn't know, I am much more optimistic. We'll know the truth after
Sanctuary, see how that goes tonight...
>
>Anyway....the Chaos Engine & Inkies websites are linked from the
>Nemesis site. Your one-stop shop sor everything....
> http://www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~uncle/nemesis.htm
>
Excellent!
Aviator Dro's very own
chris
lee_...@my-dejanews.com
Buzz, Buzz, Buzzzzz......
So Cheltenham wakes; It always seems odd to me that gothy-types always start
to get acive during summer months, when their window for clubbing is that
much smaller... maybe it's just too humid in the sarcophagus };)
Yeah, should be out to play (as opposed, to gig, which is WORK goddam!), and
would like to chat to the goodly Sancuary folks about The Chaos Engine doing
the spiky noiZZe thing at one of their soirees (along with a couple of side-
projects, perhaps?).
See y'all tonight. Official warning - I WILL be drunk. Say everything twice.
Loud.
Yrs
Lee H THE CHAOS ENGINE www.chaosengine.com
dre...@soton.ac.uk
In article <356316ee...@news.demon.co.uk>,
Check Sig For Address wrote:
>
> On Tue, 19 May 1998 22:55:58 -0400, Matt Bocci <mbo...@sprint.ca>
> wrote:
>
> >Err... could someone please explain this to me. Is this "London"
> >DJs Ben and Andy, and Nashie for a bit?
> >
> >(A very confused) Matt
>
> Yep, one and same, direct from The Kings Arms basement on Edgeware
> road with the "bathroom" floor.
>
> Where is Thin Bloke these days?
As it happens Uncle Nem gave us a update on his existence fairly recently.
And said that he had newsgroup access or something - as he was back from
Germany and running the Excession Info Serve - so this is two extra Dave's
lurking around UPG if they both have access. Joy. :)
Dave (G)