what jobs can disabled people do
Bill
I'm wondering with lots of people now on IB, and the government wants them
back in work, what jobs can they do?
Lets say somebody was a fitter in the past, what job can he/she do now?
he/she needs a sit down job, he/she could be trained to use a computer, he
could be a telephone operator. whats holding these people back? Is it the
lack of help or is it the won't/can't work.
Bill
removespam
wrote:
>Hi,
>I'm wondering with lots of people now on IB, and the government wants them
>back in work, what jobs can they do?
>
What can you do and what's stopping you doing it.
Q & A supplied. That's my days work completed.
j
ps What's IB
Don Moody
<billbr...@hotmail.com> writes
>Hi,
>I'm wondering with lots of people now on IB, and the government wants them
>back in work, what jobs can they do?
do?' It all depends on the individual's personal qualifications and
availability for work, combined with the work actually available within
travelling distance of the person concerned. There are millions of
possible answers.
>
>Lets say somebody was a fitter in the past, what job can he/she do now?
>he/she needs a sit down job, he/she could be trained to use a computer, he
>could be a telephone operator.
orthodox and legal sense of that word? Why assume that a 'job' is the
only possible form of productive wealth creation and/or income
generation?
> whats holding these people back?
Dozens of things. Their health for one simple answer. Living in an area
where there is no need for their original trained skill is another.
> Is it the
>lack of help
Help to do what?
> or is it the won't/can't work.
Won't is not the same as can't. Work is not the same as job.
As ever you, Bill, come up with a vague whinge based on muddled thinking
badly expressed. As ever you are fishing for an emotional response by
the unthinking to jargonised keywords. As ever you want to blame some
unspecified others for something you haven't got but you think is your
'right'. As ever the contribution is useless.
There is a real problem in making use of all the training, talents and
experience available in this country, whether the persons concerned are
or are not classified as disabled. The economic system operates
exceedingly inefficiently in using these resources. It will continue to
operate inefficiently while the model, which underlines all laws and
benefits procedures, for income generation is and only is persons in
full-time 'jobs' as 'employees' in large organisations on single sites.
In other words, the real problem is fundamentally a political problem.
While that is waiting to be solved, the only approach is to take each
'unused' person on an ad hoc basis and see what can be done in their
particular and personal circumstances to enable them to be 'useful' in
any format whatsoever. That task is like, and about as generally
successful as, trying to put out a factory fire with single cups of tea
from the canteen.
In 38 years of this sort of fire-fighting on behalf of disabled and
disadvantaged people who are also graduate-level experienced
professionals, I have not found a single full-time 'job' for any one of
them, and I have not found a single answer to the problem which can be
applied to a large number, let alone all, of them. I've not even found
one thing that one person could do for the whole of those 38 years
regardless of how their personal disabilities and disadvantages change.
Yet again, Bill, you are dealing in issues you don't begin to understand
as to their scale or complexity.
Don
--
Dr D P Moody, Ashwood, Exeter Cross, Liverton, Newton Abbot, Devon,
England TQ12 6EY
Tel: +44(0) 1626 821725 Fax: +44(0) 1626 824912
Bill
"Don Moody" <d...@hyperpeople.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
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Again you come out with crap _ I'm not wasting my breath on you - you know
nothing.
Bill
"Em"
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It is not just a matter of what work can be done - but also is one a danger
to others in the workplace? Me I would love to work but am unable to do so,
like many others, because of the latter.
Bill
""Em"" <spam...@me.com> wrote in message
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I understand, but the government don't seem to have enough trained people to
help.......... Job - brokers and DEAs don't understand. I'm in a position I
need to be in work, my Job broker doesn't seem to understand my needs so I'm
doing it myself - I lost out last year when I didn't claim expenses I was
entitled to, I just didn't know what I could have claimed. Its just a matter
of fact situation for these Job - brokers and DEAs when are they going to
take responsibility for there actions?
Bill
Bill
"Don Moody" <d...@hyperpeople.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
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Listen OM you don't work and we don't know if you ever did, so you have
never been in this situation so stay out of it, you are generalising again.
You mention you haven't found a full time job for any of them 'what you
working for the jobcentre now'? Is your mind going or what? what the hells
cups of tea got to do with putting fires out? as ever Don your account is
flawed by your stupid comment, why do you think you are right? what is this
garbage you have wrote here? you are far too old for this now. go and read
one of your scientist books and come back when you have something to add.
Bill
Peter V Rawlings
...<big wooden spoon fodder posted by another, snipped>.....
> It is not just a matter of what work can be done - but also is one a
danger
> to others in the workplace? Me I would love to work but am unable to do
so,
> like many others, because of the latter.
>
>
It's a very good point you raise there, Em!
The insidious 'bottom line' is that that kind of minimalist pseudo-reasoning
(the one you report and not your statement!...) is that as an excuse - and
of itself - it probably does not breach the flimsy auspices of the DDA as it
relates to employment. If there is reasonable ground to propose that a less
mobile/cognisant/communicable person might put other people at risk in an
evacuation emergency (for example), then I strongly suspect that it is
sustainable under the Law - as it is.
I'd be interested in any case law that pertains to this (if it's readily
available - ideally on-the-net as a summary).
Pete.
Bill
"removespam" <jn...@lineone.net> wrote in message
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Incapacity benefit
Bill
Islander
"Bill" <billbr...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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discussion many times here, and the points you raise have also been answered
many times. The FACT of the matter is that 'Working' in the terms you use is
NOT an option for disabled folk with ongoing unstable disabilities. Sure,
there are many disabled workers, and I would bet a months wages that those
who DO work have a stabilised condition which allows them to do so.
What employer in his/her right mind would pay someone who may or may not be
able to work on any given day, who may well need medication to allow a
quality of life, but which could affect judgement, who would need to be able
to take time off regularly, who would be unable to physically do many tasks
such as filing etc? For instance, this typing may well take me over an hour
due to the problems I have with my disabilities, Which doesn't make me PA
material does it?You do bring this subject up often Bill, yet you yourself
claim to be just out of work and/or waiting to start work and yet you are
here 24/7 which implies that you have as much trouble as the rest of us. It
is no good the DWP employing loads of 'specialists' to help us poor folk
find employment when employers aint going to want us, is it? I am sure that
if even Don is unable to find 'full time' employment for those in his
'group' then there is little chance that the majority of us would be able to
do so either. It is no use carping on about work Bill, when the reality is
that 'Work' for a majority of us, is not and never will be, an option. If
those like you with less debilitating illnesses feel a need to work, then
why not consider starting your own businesses? It would be far better for
all concerned if you were able to set your own limits, rather than rely upon
an employer based rule book.
Dave
Bill
"Islander" <Daveisla...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Listen Dave when was the last time you actually worked? I didn't ask for
your view so shut your mouth, other people come on this group to give their
opinions if you have heard it before don't get involved. Stop making excuses
for not being able to work, I have spent some time on here I'm been waiting
a CBR check, so thats the reason Ive had more time on here, my buissness is
mine not yours, I am in and out of work I have a disbility that gets worse
as I try harder, its far better than waiting for the post office to open
every monday. You know fine well Don has never been in the position we are
in. Don is a dreamer how on earth can he find work for anybody when he's sat
at home all day, wake up Dave. I am regularly out of work if the employer
dosent like it I go somewhere else stop blaming the system and employers.
Bill
removespam
wrote:
>I am in and out of work I have a disbility that gets worse
>as I try harder, its far better than waiting for the post office to open
>every monday.
>
Why is it better. ....A pork pie tastes the same no matter where the
money came from to purchase it.
>
> I am regularly out of work.
>
And the reason is ?
j
Bill
I have a disability - I have no shame - I don't blame myself for this
disability. (some well educated doctor didn't do his job properly)
Bill
Don Moody
<Daveisla...@hotmail.com> writes
> I am sure that
>if even Don is unable to find 'full time' employment for those in his
>'group' then there is little chance that the majority of us would be able to
>do so either. It is no use carping on about work Bill, when the reality is
>that 'Work' for a majority of us, is not and never will be, an option. If
>those like you with less debilitating illnesses feel a need to work, then
>why not consider starting your own businesses? It would be far better for
>all concerned if you were able to set your own limits, rather than rely upon
>an employer based rule book.
Dave, you have to be careful not to fall into the same trap as Bill.
Which is the trap in which many disabled people put themselves, which is
the trap in thinking that benefits clerks have, and which is the trap
built into many laws. 'Work' includes MORE than paid employment in a
'job' working for an 'employer' on a regular basis with numerous other
people. Many, if not most, disabled and disadvantaged will NEVER get a
'job' regardless of all fancy schemes dreamed up by politicians and
bureaucrats who are in permanent, pensionable, and perquisited full-time
employment. That is the reality I said I'd found.
Whether anybody can generate some sort of income, however irregular and
sporadic, is a different question. It requires THINKING, which does not
get done until the reality is faced and people stop wasting energy and
time looking for what they can never have. The income is NOT going to be
the result of a 'job'.
I'll give one simple example. A seriously disabled technical illustrator
who can no longer go to, or cope with, the demands of a big drawing
office in the railway industry. He took to painting animals, often
birds. He potters away when he can. He has zero regular income other
than his benefits whether he spends nil minutes or 50 hours painting in
the week. He destroys a lot of his output because it is not 'right'. To
him 'right' means a painting so accurate in detail that you could sort
between two varieties of the same species by looking at the picture and
counting feathers, or whatever. Once a year, the few 'right' painting
are put on sale. They are not sold on the sympathy vote 'poor me, I'm
disabled, I know its crap, but support me anyway.' They are sold because
they are incredibly good art, technical illustration and zoology. So
once per year the chap gets a pile of cash in hand. He doesn't have a
'job' and knows he is never going to get a 'job'. But he does produce an
income. He's the ONLY railway technical illustrator I know of to have
taken up animal painting for money after becoming disabled. A one-off
solution to a one-off problem, which is exactly what I said in the
previous post.
Islander
"'Working' in the terms you use is NOT an option for disabled folk with
on 8 til 4 with a Tea break etc, whilst I believe that anyone who provides a
service or product which benefits another is just as 'employed' as a Gas
Fitter. The Product or Service could IMHO be advice, a painting, writing a
book or even chatting to someone in need of company. That I will never again
receive a weekly, monthly or annual stipend for earning someone else a great
deal of money is not a problem to me, but being able to help someone else in
any way is not a bad way to spend whatever time I may have left. The reality
of 'our' situation is that there will never be access to 'jobs' per se, and
no amount of 'Spin' will alter that fact. If folk have a desire to rekindle
the 'hunter gatherer' idea of life, they will just have to re-align their
ideas of what constitutes 'employment'.
For Bill..... If you don't like answers given with honesty and objectivity
then stop posting questions! Being abusive to everyone who answered you is
not my idea of constructive conversation! You very nearly wriggled free of
the massive amount of 'kill files' your name resides in... but once again
you revert to abusive, belligerent and threatening replies!
Dave
removespam
wrote:
>I have a disability - I have no shame - I don't blame myself for this
>disability.
>
Yet you seem to measure a persons worth by if they have a job or not.
Why do you feel you are of less worth than a person that's in paid
work I don't work I am just the same person as when I did.
j
"Em"
******** its far better than waiting for the post office to open every
monday.
You know fine well Don has never been in the position we are
| in. Don is a dreamer how on earth can he find work for anybody when he's
sat
| at home all day, wake up Dave. I am regularly out of work if the employer
| dosent like it I go somewhere else stop blaming the system and employers.
|
| Bill
Hang on every Monday I thought benefits were paid fortnightly on
Tuesdays.........
Bill
Good point Jim what can these people on the group do? what can't they do?
Why do they or some fly off the handle when I bring up this subject.
hang on Ive just realised you could be asking me, you first please, then we
will ask the rest. It would be intersting to know what their job was first,
and maybe a little about what they did, and what stops the now, plus why
can't they retrain. Thanks for the suggestions Jim.
Bill
Bill
Isn't that life Jim though?
Bill
Bill
Dave this is why I teach - I adjust my hours to suit - some days I can do
three hours the next four or two hours and five depending on the pain
levels, I have had to work my life round this, its arkward but it works. I
have had plenty of years working like this, next week I have to to do 9-5
its going to be a killer but I have to try. Don't start this game about me
being fitter than you Dave cos you don't have a clue. I am always on the go
I can't sit still, I have no arguement with you Dave Ive changed, you did
try and wnd me up and I only bitten a little bit, I was annoyed that you
think only your opinions count, so what if its been discussed before so as
blue badges, don't read if you get upset. I haven't been abusive I kindly
told you to keep your nose out.
Bill
Bill
ask Dave
Bill
Yoda Of Borg
could not reply without either being abusive or losing it totally.
but here goes anyway.
1st point (LEARN TO SNIP)
(1) Bill in response to your original question, I could not put it any
better than Don has in his post of 11/07/03 @ 1126..so I wont
(2) Dave's Response to you (Ahemm) Question was honest and not abusive, yet
you responded in that manner, for a question you asked
(2a) You stated "Stop making excuses for not being able to work" you have no
real idea of peoples disabilities here, because if you did you would not
have made that statement, people here have 'Reasons' for not being able to
work, you are the one that is making excuses, stated in post by you 11/07/03
@1558 "I have a disability - I have no shame - I don't blame myself for this
disability. (some well educated doctor didn't do his job properly)" you need
to 'Own' your problems, not blame others for them.
(3) "so that's the reason I've had more time on here, my business is mine
not yours" if that is your philosophy of thought, then do you not think you
are being hypocritical by asking the Original Post in the first place. then
let alone your reply to Jim "you first please, then we will ask the rest It
would be interesting to know what their job was first"..Need I comment
further.
(4) "I am regularly out of work if the employer doesn't like it I go
somewhere else stop blaming the system and employers" people here are not
blaming the system or employers they have Reason's they cannot work, and the
reasons are their individual disabilities.+
(5)And as Dave so rightly put it ". If those like you with less debilitating
illnesses feel a need to work" you seem to to think that everyone is able to
do the things you do (such as putting up gazebo's) when in reality a lot of
people here would struggle to get out to the garden let alone erect
gazebo's.
So Bill what have we learned here
Bill see's himself as disable, but thinks that other disabled people have
his (Non) abilities.
Bill Is Hypocritical, as he asks questions he would not answer himself.
Bill cannot/willnot accept responsibility for his own condition.
Bill cannot accept honest answers
But Ultimately Bill is a Troll (in the Usenet sense)
Ok Rant Over
sorry peeps I couldn't let this Troll go on
Bill either post non-abusive posts or don't bother posting at all (you have
really not done yourself any favours here)
I think the best way forward is to, totally ignore this (ahemm) Person
I have tried to be a nice as I can (at this moment) but, I am going to have
to disappear for a little longer
Yoda Out
and have a good day all (except Bill)
Don Moody
<billbr...@hotmail.com> writes
> I don't blame myself for this
>disability. (some well educated doctor didn't do his job properly)
This amounts to a serious allegation of professional incompetence or
negligence. So no doubt you took it up through the doctors' disciplinary
process to the General Medical Council and took a claim for compensation
to the Courts, and got both judgements in your favour. And can point us
all to the public records of those judgements. Following which, of
course, you don't need a job because you are living well on the large
compensation awarded in the Courts.
But I expect that what we'll actually get is more unsupported blather
based on total ignorance and about things which never happened as you,
Bill, claimed. Because, as usual, a little intelligent analysis of your
stories shows that they don't gel into any form of sensible truth.
Islander
Dave
Islander
"Yoda Of Borg" <subs...@nospamblueyonder.co.uk> wrote in message
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happy thoughts. Bill is back in mine, and a few others judging by the
'personals' I have received, killfile.
Stay well.... we need the posts!
Dave
smicker
<subs...@nospamblueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
snip
>Ok Rant Over
>sorry peeps I couldn't let this Troll go on
>Bill either post non-abusive posts or don't bother posting at all (you have
>really not done yourself any favours here)
>I think the best way forward is to, totally ignore this (ahemm) Person
>
>I have tried to be a nice as I can (at this moment) but, I am going to have
>to disappear for a little longer
>
>Yoda Out
>and have a good day all (except Bill)
Take it easy OM. It's time for you to chill and not be bothered by a
persistent troll. See ya when you feel up to posting again.
smicker
Yoda Of Borg
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> Take it easy OM. It's time for you to chill and not be bothered by a
> persistent troll. See ya when you feel up to posting again.
> smicker
Cheers I have chilled a bit now
can you hear it?
...
...
...
...
...
*PLONK*
Bill the first person to have ever been killfiled by Yoda, and i have been
using newsgroups since the early 90's
Yoda out
smicker
I'm glad you're feeling better OM. Best not to let the trolls get at
you. I don't bother with a kill file now I just ignore them :-)
smicker
Bill
Don I tried to claim but I was too late - remember roger cook he did a tv
show about this I contacted him but he was unable to help.
Bill
Bill
"Yoda Of Borg" <subs...@nospamblueyonder.co.uk> wrote in message
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Thanks yoda out so you have been using the disability group since the early
nineties - no wonder you didn't like my comments. Hear what i'm saying?
Bill
Bill
you want, why would you want to disappear?
Bill
Bill
"Derek Hornby" <derek.h...@btopenworld.com> wrote in message
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> "Don Moody" <d...@hyperpeople.demon.co.uk> wrote
>
> > 'Work' includes MORE than paid employment in a
> > 'job' working for an 'employer' on a regular basis with numerous other
> > people. Many, if not most, disabled and disadvantaged will NEVER get a
> > 'job' regardless of all fancy schemes dreamed up by politicians
>
>
> Clue, we have a totally blind mp//home-secretary
>
> There was a totally deaf mp
>
> There was, (and maybe still is, 1 or 2 mp wheel chair users, and
> chairman of DRC is a wheel chair user.
>
> Now that's just a few, and we can be sure there are many many more
> disabled people working, in jobs such as:
> school teachers, office admin, factory work, and people who are
> self employed.
>
> I think need to be more clear as to which disability types we are talking
> about!
>
> Derek
>
>
Derek
I am talking about people with Osteo - arthritis, MS, ME, etc I really do
think these people get stuck in a rut and can't get out they'd rather just
sit here all day posting on newsgroups, I honestly don't know why my
comments wind them up, I am trying to get them out and about even voluntary
work would do for starters. some guys are very young to be out of contact
with the outside world. Once a disability sets in depression then takes a
hold, the snowball effect starts, what's your view Derek do you think I'm
wrong to suggest some disabled people don't try hard enough.
Bill
Don Moody
<derek.h...@btopenworld.com> writes
>"Don Moody" <d...@hyperpeople.demon.co.uk> wrote
>
>> 'Work' includes MORE than paid employment in a
>> 'job' working for an 'employer' on a regular basis with numerous other
>> people. Many, if not most, disabled and disadvantaged will NEVER get a
>> 'job' regardless of all fancy schemes dreamed up by politicians
>
>
>Clue, we have a totally blind mp//home-secretary
>
>There was a totally deaf mp
>
> There was, (and maybe still is, 1 or 2 mp wheel chair users, and
>chairman of DRC is a wheel chair user.
>
>Now that's just a few,
> and we can be sure
minority) of disabled people in 'jobs', i.e. holding down regular
employment for an employer on the same terms as able-bodied workers.
> there are many many more
>disabled people working, in jobs such as:
>school teachers, office admin, factory work,
done profitably by a disabled workforce staffing the entire factory and
all functions. Not even Remploy ever managed that.
> and people who are
>self employed.
Meaningless designation, and highly damaging for benefits claimants when
the work is sporadic and yields low total pay.
>
>I think need to be more clear as to which disability types we are talking
>about!
Any form of disability or disadvantage which makes it difficult or
impossible to hold down a permanent regular 'job' working for an
'employer'.
Linda
better than Don has in his post of 11/07/03 @ 1126..so I wont> (And all the
rest)
Well put, thanks for taking the time to reply. I hope you're feeling OK.
Take Care,
Linda
Bill
Good point Don - so why is the government using all this money to help
disabled people back into work - you have some good valid points I will use
these when I go and see my job-broker / DEA next. I am trying to understand
this.
bill
Bill
"Tone" <to...@antb.org.uk> wrote in message
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> On Fri, 11 Jul 2003 18:08:02 +0100, "Bill" <billbr...@hotmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>
> >>
> >> ps What's IB
> >
> >Good point Jim what can these people on the group do? what can't they do?
> >Why do they or some fly off the handle when I bring up this subject.
> >hang on Ive just realised you could be asking me, you first please, then
we
> >will ask the rest. It would be intersting to know what their job was
first,
> >and maybe a little about what they did, and what stops the now, plus why
> >can't they retrain. Thanks for the suggestions Jim.
> >
> >Bill
> >
> Are you an inspector for IB then ?
>
General question I was wanting to know how they cope. <fair> Whats the *
for
Bill
Bill
"Yoda Of Borg" <subs...@nospamblueyonder.co.uk> wrote in message
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And ive just taken you out of mine
Bill
"Em"
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Bill
Cheers _ I understand now
Bill
Bill
favour..........your advice has been nil to me mate. Will I miss you? you
got it no way.
You've been on a disability group since 1990 why?
Bill
Helen Page
> Despite your complaining Bill, Don is actually right! We have had this
> discussion many times here, and the points you raise have also been
> answered many times. The FACT of the matter is that 'Working' in the
> terms you use is NOT an option for disabled folk with ongoing
> unstable disabilities. Sure, there are many disabled workers, and I
> would bet a months wages that those who DO work have a stabilised
> condition which allows them to do so.
Spot on. I could no doubt do a day's work sometimes. But my condition is
currently so unstable I couldn't commit to working two days together, let
alone a whole week.
> What employer in his/her right mind would pay someone who may or may
> not be able to work on any given day, who may well need medication to
> allow a quality of life, but which could affect judgement, who would
> need to be able to take time off regularly, who would be unable to
> physically do many tasks such as filing etc? For instance, this
> typing may well take me over an hour due to the problems I have with
> my disabilities, Which doesn't make me PA material does it?You do
> bring this subject up often Bill, yet you yourself claim to be just
> out of work and/or waiting to start work and yet you are here 24/7
> which implies that you have as much trouble as the rest of us. It is
> no good the DWP employing loads of 'specialists' to help us poor folk
> find employment when employers aint going to want us, is it? I am
> sure that if even Don is unable to find 'full time' employment for
> those in his 'group' then there is little chance that the majority of
> us would be able to do so either. It is no use carping on about work
> Bill, when the reality is that 'Work' for a majority of us, is not
> and never will be, an option. If those like you with less
> debilitating illnesses feel a need to work, then why not consider
> starting your own businesses? It would be far better for all
> concerned if you were able to set your own limits, rather than rely
> upon an employer based rule book.
Agreed. I'd love to work, but put yourself in the position of the employer -
a candidate applies for the job you offer, they can come into work
once/twice a week, or the whole week but only a few hours a day. While they
are there, they're too exhausted to move far from there desk, but they can't
do much in the way of paperwork because when energy levels drop so do
concentration and comprehension levels. They use wrong words for stuff and
can't remember what you discussed an hour ago, that's if they took it in to
start with. They can't do physical stuff cos of energy levels and pain.
Stuff like the (barely detectable to you) flicker of a fluourescent light or
computer monitor, and the normal level of light or noise in the office,
causes them severe discomfort. They have no qualifications other than a
handful of GCSEs owing to the disability showing up before they even left
school and delays in diagnosis left them struggling through their education
with no help. And they don't have the energy to do training alongside the
work.
The other applicant has a handful of GCSEs, a basic qualification related to
the job, has a reference from a previous job in a similar line of work, and
is healthy and able-bodied. Who are you going to employ?!
Someday I may be well enough to work, but following my recovery most likely
there will be a period of full-time study to get experience and
qualifications in whatever job I want to work in, and (I guess there will
have to be) a period of bloody-awful-job-just-to-prove-I-am-able-to-work so
I don't get turned down because I am "too much of a risk - might relapse".
On the plus side this enforced "time out" means that when I'm able to work I
will know what I want to do, rather than being thrown into the big wide
world straight from school with no idea of what I really want from it.
Bill
"Helen Page" <he...@celosia.co.uk> wrote in message
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Well explained Helen you are one of the disabled people who can't work. You
know your limits: I was in a position a couple of years ago, I was told I
couldn't do my old job ( I started with depression) 'I was in bits' I knew
I was struggling I was driving 9 ton trucks taking 16 - 20 painkillers a
day, I was a danger, my gp put me on the sick for a year lucky for me I got
full pay and sick pay (Don't ask how)(I thought this was normal) anyway a
year past and I was found fit to do some work, there was no way I was fit, I
was barely able to walk never mind work 9-5, to cut the story short I had to
think about what was a head, I was going nowhere (I'm still only going
slowly now) I had to think of a job were I could only do a couple of hours,
this wasn't easy what company will allow me to come in when I feel fit? I
had to try the voluntry route, yeah I struggled 'boy did I', I was in pure
agony. In the end Ive learn't from this. I don't want to give anymore
details as some people read into it wrong and it starts trouble I'm trying
not to get into these auguements.
Listen Helen sounds to me you are 'unable to work' and if you can't you
can't, I'm not telling you how to ran your life, though I'd advise you use
the education system to build you knowledge, don't let life pass you by,
like I did. (at the beginning ...........Ive lost years)
Bill
Bill
<to...@toneb.f9.co.uk> wrote in message
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> On Sat, 12 Jul 2003 11:52:54 +0100, "Bill" <billbr...@hotmail.com>
> wrote:
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> >Cheers _ I understand now
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> >Bill
> >
> Wheres your killfile then, havent learned how to use it yet ?
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>
nor
bill