Blue Badge Qualification
Redonda
(disabled) badge? I have been on Incapacity Benefit for 7 years and
have just been refused one for the sixth time by Tower Hamlets
Mobility Team although they have given me a Freedom Pass for public
transport.
I am diabetic, have bad angina (returned after quad coronary bypass 4
years ago and heart attack 14 years ago), arthritis in both feet and
blocked arteries in both legs. The left leg can be operated on (no
idea when - on a waiting list!) but the right is considered
inoperable by my vascular surgeon who implied I might eventually have
to have the lower leg amputated. I cannot walk more than a few yards
without severe pain and cramps and have to stop and rest every minute
or so. Often, at night, I wake up with severe cramp in one or both
legs which can last up to 3 days without relief. I cannot walk as
far as the nearest bus stop (1/4 mile) or shops (same distance).
My latest interview with the Social Services on Monday afternoon was
the first since the leg problems were diagnosed (previous interview
about a year ago) yet I received the refusal letter this morning,
posted Wednesday, which means they didn't even consult my GP.
My 80-year old mother, who doesn't drive, was issued with a blue
badge years ago by Redbridge Council without even an interview. When
I go over to take her out anywhere (shopping, etc) she has to stop
and wait for me to catch up!
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Serena Blanchflower
wrote:
> Does anyone know the Government guidelines for obtaining a blue
> (disabled) badge? I have been on Incapacity Benefit for 7 years and
> have just been refused one for the sixth time by Tower Hamlets
> Mobility Team although they have given me a Freedom Pass for public
> transport.
To get one automatically, you normally have to be in receipt of DLA High
Mobility (you can see the alternative routes at
<http://www.mobility-unit.dft.gov.uk/response/>), so I suggest that you
apply for that (assuming that you are under 65). From what you say, it
sounds quite likely that you would qualify; you might want to have a
look at
<http://www.dwp.gov.uk/lifeevent/benefits/disability_liv_allowance.htm>
for more information.
For people who don't get DLA councils can, at their discretion, award
them, usually on a doctor's recommendation. I know that a lot of
councils (especially in London) are tightening up their procedures
though and rarely offer discretionary badges to people under 65 (the top
age limit for DLA).
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Serena
Sometimes I sits and thinks ... and sometimes I just sits. (Punch cartoon)
·.¸¸.·´¯` Bill ´¯`·.¸¸.·
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There is also a self assessment guide for DLA at
http://www.benefitsnow.co.uk/default.asp
Click on Disability Living Alowance
Bill
·.¸¸.·´¯` Bill ´¯`·.¸¸.·
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There is also a self assessment guide for DLA at
Don Moody
<phi...@btopenworld.com> writes
>Does anyone know the Government guidelines for obtaining a blue
>(disabled) badge? I have been on Incapacity Benefit for 7 years and
>have just been refused one for the sixth time by Tower Hamlets
>Mobility Team although they have given me a Freedom Pass for public
>transport.
>
>I am diabetic, have bad angina (returned after quad coronary bypass 4
>years ago and heart attack 14 years ago), arthritis in both feet and
>blocked arteries in both legs. The left leg can be operated on (no
>idea when - on a waiting list!) but the right is considered
>inoperable by my vascular surgeon who implied I might eventually have
>to have the lower leg amputated. I cannot walk more than a few yards
>without severe pain and cramps and have to stop and rest every minute
>or so. Often, at night, I wake up with severe cramp in one or both
>legs which can last up to 3 days without relief.
before getting to this state. Indeed I used it yesterday in order to
visit a consultant at the local hospital - to discuss the very same
diabetic complications you list.
>
>My latest interview with the Social Services on Monday afternoon was
>the first since the leg problems were diagnosed (previous interview
>about a year ago) yet I received the refusal letter this morning,
>posted Wednesday, which means they didn't even consult my GP.
>
I suggest the time is long long gone to stop the buggeration by Tower
Hamlets SS. They obviously made a wrong decision years ago and are
covering up that wrong by repeating the refusal.
I suggest a letter to the Chief Executive of the Council, copy to the
Chairman, asking for IMMEDIATE notification of how to complain to the
Local Government Ombudsman about maladministration; and how to
accelerate that complaint as it refers to a medical emergency. You may
find that the Director of SS gets a bollocking and reconsiders your
position forthwith. (By the way it IS an emergency. In your state you
may need to reach medical care fast, and if you get out of balance you
may need to reach food even faster. Whoever drives you will need your
Blue Badge to get you as close as possible to medics or food without
wasting time on looking for parking elsewhere. In effect they want,
temporarily and on your Blue Badge, the same privileges as an
ambulance.)
Any crap and write again by return or, better still, fax for IMMEDIATE
ATTENTION. Offer to do a test ON THE PAVEMENT IN FRONT OF THE TOWN HALL
as to how far you can walk without crippling claudication (the posh name
for cramps). They can appoint any doctors they like to examine you as
you stand and when you fall over. Presumably the Council can find one
Surveyor with a tape to measure that you fall before you reach the
distance at which there is no entitlement to a Blue Badge. Tell them
that as that is rather a lot for a bunch of incompetents to organise,
you'll take on the organisation of the local and national media
coverage, but you will leave it up to the lady members of Council and
staff to book their own hairdos so they look good on television when
answering investigative journalists. You can point out, courteously,
that it might be less trouble for them to deliver BY HAND a Blue Badge
before you start drafting the Press Release on your computer, and
getting onto the media fax and phone routine. They'll have to deliver it
BY HAND to you because, of course, you are not entitled to park near
enough to their office to pick up the Blue Badge until AFTER you've got
the Blue Badge.
Don't put up with any delaying crap about 'an investigation will be made
and we will report in due course.' The timescale is Churchillian: THIS
DAY. You'll be doing yourself, and every diabetic in like state, a great
favour. Countrywide, if the nitwits let you go to the media.
Don
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Tony H
>Does anyone know the Government guidelines for obtaining a blue
>(disabled) badge? I have been on Incapacity Benefit for 7 years and
>have just been refused one for the sixth time by Tower Hamlets
>Mobility Team although they have given me a Freedom Pass for public
>transport.
You can download a guidance leaflet in PDF form from
http://www.mobility-unit.dft.gov.uk/bluebadge/advice/pdf/bbs.pdf
There certainly seems to be a lot of inconsistency and abuse regarding
these badges. I recently saw a lady park her car with a blue badge in
a "disabled" parking slot on Southport sea front, who then proceeded
to take her two dogs for a long run on the beach!
I'm also frequently unable to find an empty disabled slot because
perfectly healthy people without blue badges use them to park large
vehicles (4WDs etc.) as they're a tight fit in normal slots.
Note: My email address is a spoof to avoid spam.
Redonda
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Thanks, Serena. I am not too sure about some of the criteria needed
to automatically qualify. It would appear that in order to get a
badge automatically you must be physically incabable of driving:
/QUOTE
... people who are registered blind; and
people who have severe disability in both upper limbs, regularly
drive a motor vehicle but cannot turn the steering wheel of a motor
vehicle by hand even if that wheel is fitted with a turning knob.
The Government accepts this recommendation.
/ENDQUOTE
I applied a couple of years ago and they sent one of their *doctors*
to see me. He walked me once across the living room - all of 12'
available space! He then made me walk down and back up the 17 stairs
to my flat holding the banister in one hand and leaning on my stick.
I had to stop 3 times going down and 4 times going up. His report
said that I didn't qualify as I could manage by holding on to
furniture, railings, etc!!
Peter V Rawlings
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Credit where it's due - I cannot fault that 'prescription'. It shouldn't
get anywhere near to the deadline - if you've got the stamina to set it off!
The booster is there in that you should establish a precedent for other
diabetics to benefit from in the future. Sometimes (nearly always, in fact)
you need to see a light at the end of the proverbial......and a BLUE BADGE,
of course!
Pete.
Not good at seeing 'lights', let alone 'proverbials'! Good hunting!
Redonda
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Thanks Don. Unfortunately Tower Hamlets Town Hall is a fortress in
the middle of a Docklands office complex. It has no public parking
and is only accessible by public transport - 2 busses (with change)
or DLR to Poplar with long walk both ends. This despite the fact that
I live only a mile and a half away on the Isle of Dogs (Council
flat - not a million pound penthouse) :-(
I'm certainly going to take it further though.
Redonda
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Thanks for the link.
I live opposite a busy leisure centre with swimming pool, gym, etc
and no car park. It amazes me the number of fit, healthy young
people in sports gear who park on our residents' bays, put up a blue
badge then leap out of their cars and jog into the leisure centre,
and that includes a couple of the fitness trainers. We also get a
lot of black cabs around lunch-time with blue badges (presumably for
the Taxi-Card scheme) parking up and going for a gym or swimming
session.
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Its a shame you couldn't get some photos of these taxis - that would be
something to see.
Bill
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> >
> > I live opposite a busy leisure centre with swimming pool, gym,
etc
> > and no car park. It amazes me the number of fit, healthy young
> > people in sports gear who park on our residents' bays, put up a
blue
> > badge then leap out of their cars and jog into the leisure
centre,
> > and that includes a couple of the fitness trainers. We also get
a
> > lot of black cabs around lunch-time with blue badges (presumably
for
> > the Taxi-Card scheme) parking up and going for a gym or swimming
> > session.
> > --
> >
> > Phil ,,,^.".^,,,
> >
>
> Its a shame you couldn't get some photos of these taxis - that
would be
> something to see.
>
> Bill
I wish I had a digital camera - one day I'll win the lottery :-/ I'm
going to see if I can borrow a Polaroid and get some shots.
Serena Blanchflower
<phi...@btopenworld.com> wrote:
> Thanks, Serena. I am not too sure about some of the criteria needed
> to automatically qualify. It would appear that in order to get a
> badge automatically you must be physically incabable of driving:
No, you only have to meet any one of the criteria. From what you said
in your original post, it sounds quite likely that you would qualify for
DLA mobility (for which you have to be unable or virtually unable to
walk). The usual distance quoted for this is around 50 yards without
causing yourself severe discomfort.
Serena Blanchflower
<phi...@btopenworld.com> wrote:
> I applied a couple of years ago and they sent one of their *doctors*
> to see me. He walked me once across the living room - all of 12'
> available space! He then made me walk down and back up the 17 stairs
> to my flat holding the banister in one hand and leaning on my stick.
> I had to stop 3 times going down and 4 times going up. His report
> said that I didn't qualify as I could manage by holding on to
> furniture, railings, etc!!
Oops, I pressed send too soon on my earlier reply!
Was this for a badge or for DLA? As I understand it, the criteria for
DLA mobility (and therefore the blue badge) is walking outside on a
level surface with a single walking stick, if used. Applying for DLA
can be quite tough and you quite often get turned down but you then have
a right of appeal which has a reasonable chance of success.
Redonda
It was for DLA. I'm going to try again though, now my health has
deteriorated since then.
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Don Moody
<phi...@btopenworld.com> writes
>
>Thanks Don. Unfortunately Tower Hamlets Town Hall is a fortress in
>the middle of a Docklands office complex. It has no public parking
>and is only accessible by public transport
Hall. The media will pay for a taxi from your home to a suitable site
for doing the photography and television. It is pennies and halfpennies
compared to the news value of the story.
> - 2 busses (with change)
>or DLR to Poplar with long walk both ends. This despite the fact that
>I live only a mile and a half away on the Isle of Dogs (Council
>flat - not a million pound penthouse) :-(
For the likes of you and me it doesn't matter whether it is 1.5 miles or
15, or 150, or 1500, or even 15,000. All are equally 'too far'.
>
>I'm certainly going to take it further though.
Sooner the better.
If you want help with any drafting or anything else which can be done at
a distance, contact me privately.
Don Moody
<phi...@btopenworld.com> writes
>I live opposite a busy leisure centre with swimming pool, gym, etc
>and no car park. It amazes me the number of fit, healthy young
>people in sports gear who park on our residents' bays, put up a blue
>badge then leap out of their cars and jog into the leisure centre,
>and that includes a couple of the fitness trainers. We also get a
>lot of black cabs around lunch-time with blue badges (presumably for
>the Taxi-Card scheme) parking up and going for a gym or swimming
>session.
>--
get a Blue Badge.
Again the answer is easy if you can see the misuse from your flat.
Borrow a digital camera. Photograph the offenders. Make sure the pics
include time and the registration number of the vehicles. Then write a
polite letter to the local Police Superintendent and to the Council.
Send them copies of the pics on CD (assuming you've got a CD Writer on
your computer) and ask them to deal with the abusers. They won't.
So one week later send copy CD plus the story to your local paper. Point
out that you gave the police the EVIDENCE which would enable them to
identify the registered owners of the vehicles, and by questioning those
owners they could have identified and acted against the offenders. Given
the registration number it doesn't take 7 days to identify a registered
owner. It doesn't even take 7 minutes. But only the police can do it.
You can't. There is nothing to stop the media printing a list of
registration numbers underneath a story about abuse of disabled parking.
Especially when they are holding photographic evidence.
There is also nothing to stop the media stepping forward to interview
anybody who parks, puts up a Blue Badge, and gets out of the car
APPARENTLY able to walk normally. Nor is there anything to stop their
own photog taking a picture of their reporter's attempt to get his
questions answered. There are people who look mobile but are not,
particularly some kinds of heart case. So the APPARENT misusers need to
be approached courteously in the first place. Pounds to a penny that
actual misusers will respond with foul language and aggression, hence
why you shouldn't do the questioning yourself.
·.¸¸.·´¯` Bill ´¯`·.¸¸.·
I can see the police being overjoyed to be receiving photo's and a letter
about misuse of a blue I'm not sure if this is a police offence.
You are making sound like a crimewatch offence.
Bill
Budgie
Services who issue the badge, not to the Police. They're more likely to take
action.
Budgie
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Serena Blanchflower
wrote:
> It was for DLA. I'm going to try again though, now my health has
> deteriorated since then.
Good luck and be prepared for a fight.
Serena Blanchflower
<d...@hyperpeople.demon.co.uk> wrote:
> Again the answer is easy if you can see the misuse from your flat.
> Borrow a digital camera. Photograph the offenders. Make sure the pics
> include time and the registration number of the vehicles. Then write a
> polite letter to the local Police Superintendent and to the Council.
> Send them copies of the pics on CD (assuming you've got a CD Writer on
> your computer) and ask them to deal with the abusers. They won't.
It could be worth also getting a photo (if possible) or making a note of
the Blue Badge serial number. I'm not sure how interested the police
would be but the council may be interested that the badge is being
misused.
Don Moody
Bill ´¯`·.¸¸.· <billbr...@hotmail.com> writes
>
>I can see the police being overjoyed to be receiving photo's and a letter
>about misuse of a blue I'm not sure if this is a police offence.
>You are making sound like a crimewatch offence.
Ask yourself two simple questions:
1. Who is responsible for enforcing parking law?
2. To whom are they responsible for the doing of their job?
Then you'll know why the first step is to write to the Superintendent in
charge of an area.
smicker
wrote:
>Does anyone know the Government guidelines for obtaining a blue
>(disabled) badge? I have been on Incapacity Benefit for 7 years and
>have just been refused one for the sixth time by Tower Hamlets
>Mobility Team although they have given me a Freedom Pass for public
>transport.
I do not live in London but my badge was issued after my GP signed the
paper the LA provided. There was no test or second doctor involved.
>I am diabetic, have bad angina (returned after quad coronary bypass 4
>years ago and heart attack 14 years ago), arthritis in both feet and
>blocked arteries in both legs. The left leg can be operated on (no
>idea when - on a waiting list!) but the right is considered
>inoperable by my vascular surgeon who implied I might eventually have
>to have the lower leg amputated. I cannot walk more than a few yards
>without severe pain and cramps and have to stop and rest every minute
>or so. Often, at night, I wake up with severe cramp in one or both
>legs which can last up to 3 days without relief. I cannot walk as
>far as the nearest bus stop (1/4 mile) or shops (same distance).
>
>My latest interview with the Social Services on Monday afternoon was
>the first since the leg problems were diagnosed (previous interview
>about a year ago) yet I received the refusal letter this morning,
>posted Wednesday, which means they didn't even consult my GP.
I would 'phone your local councilor and ask him to intervene and get a
decision in writing which then opens the way form you to complain to
the local government ombudsman. Your condition clearly warrants a blue
badge.
>My 80-year old mother, who doesn't drive, was issued with a blue
>badge years ago by Redbridge Council without even an interview. When
>I go over to take her out anywhere (shopping, etc) she has to stop
>and wait for me to catch up!
I am not diabetic but my leg arteries are clogged up and my legs are
always cold whatever the weather. My heart attacks were apparently
caused by blocked arteries due to once being a smoker (no more). Is
this also a sign that I will lose my legs eventually? I am 60.
smicker
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I know what you are saying Don - but I'm trying to point out that the police
don't really want to have to investigate
Bill
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>
> I know what you are saying Don - but I'm trying to point out that
the police
> don't really want to have to investigate
> Bill
I know what *you* are saying, Bill. The police round here in east
London are reluctant (can't be bothered) to investigate *minor* law
infringements. I've had my flat and car windows smashed by kids
several times and all the police have done (over the phone - no
visit) is say that unless I can give their names and addresses they
can do nothing - despite the little b******s still running riot in
the road! I've had 13 burglaries in 20 years here that the police
couldn't/wouldn't investigate (several times not even a visit to the
'scene of the crime')! In the last month there have been 2 murders (1
stabbing and 1 kicked to death) at the top of my road and another
death by stabbing a few hundred yards away and the police seem to
think that *this* is their 'run-of-the-mill' work. They can't be
bothered with so-called 'local issues'. Welcome to the Isle of Dogs
<ha-ha> !!!
Saying that, there have recently been several successful prosecutions
for illegal use of a blue badge (including 2 doctors at the Royal
London Hospital using someone elses' badges) brought to court by LBTH
Council.
Budgie
have little interest in on-street parking offences and, in some areas, none
at all. Traffic Wardens are being phased out in those areas in favour of
Council enforcement officers.
Of course, off-street parking was never a Police concern.
Budgie
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the police don't want to fight crime, never mind the odd blue badge missuse
Bill
Pauline
| There certainly seems to be a lot of inconsistency and abuse regarding
| these badges. I recently saw a lady park her car with a blue badge in
| a "disabled" parking slot on Southport sea front, who then proceeded
| to take her two dogs for a long run on the beach!
|
| I'm also frequently unable to find an empty disabled slot because
| perfectly healthy people without blue badges use them to park large
| vehicles (4WDs etc.) as they're a tight fit in normal slots.
A few years ago I heard that disabled parking badges
were selling for £600 on the black market. There was
a particular scam concerning the use of the identities of
the over 65s without their knowledge.
My mother lived in a nursing home. When my sister took her
for a visit to the optician, the home's parking badge was
missing. The owner of the home was using the badge whilst
on holiday.
A local elderly couple were charged a full parking fine recently
for forgetting to display the time clock with their badge. They
were old and old people forget.
Until the dishonest and honest use of the badges are policed
efficiently, the abuse will continue. I have never heard of
anyone being fined for misuse.
Pauline
Don Moody
<pau...@dial.pipex.co.uk> writes
>My mother lived in a nursing home. When my sister took her
>for a visit to the optician, the home's parking badge was
>missing. The owner of the home was using the badge whilst
>on holiday.
Where was this 'home' and why did IT have a 'parking badge'?
If such as thing existed, it couldn't possibly have been an ordinary
Blue Badge because they are issued to individual people and are for the
use only of the person to whom they were issued. If 'the owner' was
entitled to have a Blue Badge at all, then he had every right to take it
on holiday and use it for his own benefit. What he didn't have the right
to do was use it for the benefit of his customers at his home base.
Boris
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>In message <3eb3b9f6$0$4844$cc9e...@news.dial.pipex.com>, Pauline
><pau...@dial.pipex.co.uk> writes
>>My mother lived in a nursing home. When my sister took her
>>for a visit to the optician, the home's parking badge was
>>missing. The owner of the home was using the badge whilst
>>on holiday.
>
>Where was this 'home' and why did IT have a 'parking badge'?
>
>If such as thing existed, it couldn't possibly have been an ordinary
>Blue Badge because they are issued to individual people and are for the
>use only of the person to whom they were issued. If 'the owner' was
>entitled to have a Blue Badge at all, then he had every right to take it
>on holiday and use it for his own benefit. What he didn't have the right
>to do was use it for the benefit of his customers at his home base.
>
>Don
Many organisations, caring for disabled people, can apply for a blue
badge. They must be used solely for the benefit of the people in their
care.
From the leaflet "The Blue Badge Scheme" by DoT:
"Similar badges given to organisations caring for disabled people must
not be used by non-disabled members for their own benefit. These
badges must not be on display except when the vehicle is being used
for the benefit of disabled people."
Pat Winstanley
bori...@yahoo.co.uk says...
> Subject: Re: Blue Badge Qualification
> From: Boris <bori...@yahoo.co.uk>
> Newsgroups: uk.people.disability
So what are they supposed to do if two vehicles are taking (eligible)
people from the home to two different places at the same time?
Boris
Perhaps they can apply for more than one badge.
But, given the money spent on some care homes, I should think they
would be lucky to have one vehicle!
Pat Winstanley
bori...@yahoo.co.uk says...
> >> From the leaflet "The Blue Badge Scheme" by DoT:
> >> "Similar badges given to organisations caring for disabled people must
> >> not be used by non-disabled members for their own benefit. These
> >> badges must not be on display except when the vehicle is being used
> >> for the benefit of disabled people."
> >>
> >
> >So what are they supposed to do if two vehicles are taking (eligible)
> >people from the home to two different places at the same time?
>
> Perhaps they can apply for more than one badge.
> But, given the money spent on some care homes, I should think they
> would be lucky to have one vehicle!
>
The 'home' might only have one vehicle, but there still might be
occasions where the residents go out in other vehicles. For instance,
say there is a residential home for people with some disability (that
merits blue badge etc) and a relative comes to take one of the residents
out shopping or whatever (in the relative's car).
Or remembering a neighbour of mine - she used her private car to ferry
kids with special needs to and from school and on other errands/trips
with them - kids who would have qualified for a BB even if they didn't
actually have one personally. Their school trips would be covered by the
school's badge... what about the taxiing trips?
smicker
wrote:
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>
>Saying that, there have recently been several successful prosecutions
>for illegal use of a blue badge (including 2 doctors at the Royal
>London Hospital using someone elses' badges) brought to court by LBTH
>Council.
Sounds like a lively place not to live. We had similar problem (no
where near as bad as yours mind you) when we moved to where we live
now some 33 years ago. I was young and fit and was able to get it
sorted but all the time the police were more interested in what I was
doing than they were about doing the job themselves. I "persuaded" 2
families to move off the estate and once the ring leaders had gone a
few of their "followers" also left and now it is reasonable but the
main problem is that the places the kids used to play in my day have
all been covered with houses and fences and there are so many things
we done that kids today get nicked for that they have nowhere else to
go except hang around the estate.
smicker
www.smicker.co.uk
Pauline
| >So what are they supposed to do if two vehicles are taking (eligible)
| >people from the home to two different places at the same time?
Boris wrote
| Perhaps they can apply for more than one badge.
| But, given the money spent on some care homes, I should think they
| would be lucky to have one vehicle!
AFAIK the home only had access to one vehicle used
to take the residents on trips etc.
The BB was available to any relative who had
to take a resident for an essential journey (in this
case, to the optician). I suppose it was just hard
luck if someone else was using it at the same time.
However, the point of the tale is that my sister had made
arrangements to use the home's BB, the owner of the
home was abusing the system by taking it with her on
holiday and no body seemed to think that there was
anything amiss! It happened every year.
If my sister had wanted to cheat she could have
used her husband's BB.
Pauline
Pat Winstanley
pau...@dial.pipex.co.uk says...
Wouldn't it be simpler to just issue a BB to each eligible resident in
case they were off on an independent (not necessarily essential) trip
where they might need it? Otherwise just use the one that covered the
bus users (where there was a BB eligible person on the bus)?
Pauline
| > AFAIK the home only had access to one vehicle used
| > to take the residents on trips etc.
| >
| > The BB was available to any relative who had
| > to take a resident for an essential journey (in this
| > case, to the optician). I suppose it was just hard
| > luck if someone else was using it at the same time.
Pat Winstanley wrote:
| Wouldn't it be simpler to just issue a BB to each eligible resident in
| case they were off on an independent (not necessarily essential) trip
| where they might need it? Otherwise just use the one that covered the
| bus users (where there was a BB eligible person on the bus)?
LOL! I suspect that would be an excuse for every worker
at the home to have free parking on their holidays.
Incidentally, the scam used to forge BBs was based on
the use of eligible resident's identities in homes.
My mother had quite a few of her belongings stolen. Had
she owned a personal BB, no doubt that would have
disappeared too.
Pauline
Boris
<ng_...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>
>The 'home' might only have one vehicle, but there still might be
>occasions where the residents go out in other vehicles. For instance,
>say there is a residential home for people with some disability (that
>merits blue badge etc) and a relative comes to take one of the residents
>out shopping or whatever (in the relative's car).
qualify. I was only correcting Mr Moody, who seemed to imply that a
group badge was not available.
>
>Or remembering a neighbour of mine - she used her private car to ferry
>kids with special needs to and from school and on other errands/trips
>with them - kids who would have qualified for a BB even if they didn't
>actually have one personally. Their school trips would be covered by the
>school's badge... what about the taxiing trips?
No-one can expect to benefit from a concession if they need to apply
for that concession, and don't.
>
Pat Winstanley
pau...@dial.pipex.co.uk says...
> Pat Winstanley wrote:
> | Wouldn't it be simpler to just issue a BB to each eligible resident in
> | case they were off on an independent (not necessarily essential) trip
> | where they might need it? Otherwise just use the one that covered the
> | bus users (where there was a BB eligible person on the bus)?
>
> LOL! I suspect that would be an excuse for every worker
> at the home to have free parking on their holidays.
> Incidentally, the scam used to forge BBs was based on
> the use of eligible resident's identities in homes.
>
Well you might just as well say the same about an ordinary household
that has a person in it who is eligible for (or holds) a BB.
So why issue ANY personal BBs, regardless of the eligible person's
housing situation? After all it *could* be used fraudulently by other
members of the household...
What solution would you suggest?
Boris
As I said, there is nothing to stop individuals applying for their own
badge. I think the group badge is a useful additional concession for
care homes etc.
>
>
Boris
This is clearly an abuse of the badge and the home could lose it. It
may be easier for the disabled person to apply for his/her own badge
and let it be retained by relatives for such occasions, and to hell
with the home's badge.
smicker
wrote:
Seems like you have sussed out moody too.
smicker
www.smicker.co.uk
smicker
Surely isn't each disabled and qualifying resident entitled to their
own individual BB?
smicker
www.smicker.co.uk
Boris
wrote:
>
>Seems like you have sussed out moody too.
>smicker
>www.smicker.co.uk
And a few others. Until I realised "they" were all the same guy! :-)
Pauline
| > | Wouldn't it be simpler to just issue a BB to each eligible resident in
| > | case they were off on an independent (not necessarily essential) trip
| > | where they might need it? Otherwise just use the one that covered the
| > | bus users (where there was a BB eligible person on the bus)?
| > LOL! I suspect that would be an excuse for every worker
| > at the home to have free parking on their holidays.
| > Incidentally, the scam used to forge BBs was based on
| > the use of eligible resident's identities in homes.
| Pat Winstanley wrote:
| Well you might just as well say the same about an ordinary household
| that has a person in it who is eligible for (or holds) a BB.
|
| So why issue ANY personal BBs, regardless of the eligible person's
| housing situation? After all it *could* be used fraudulently by other
| members of the household...
|
| What solution would you suggest?
Well, it really doesn't matter how many or few people
are issued with BBs because the current method of policing
them doesn't work. So, my solution would be to have a better
way of checking who is or isn't using the BB legitimately.
Unfortunately, if this were to happen, many disabled people
would feel hounded by the police and traffic wardens.
The police force wouldn't be able to cope with the extra
workload anyway and councils would rather have their
wardens paying for their keep by collecting parking fines.
It can work with time and effort. I often visit a Sainsburys
where the car park has a specific area for BB users. There
are barriers which are raised by pressing a button from inside
the store. I am not sure how it works but there is a sound
system similar to that used at the MacDonalds drive in.
I assume that you give them your name and they check
if you can enter. (Would anyone bother to go outside and
tell you that you can't?)
The reason why I don't know how it works is that we have
been several times to apply for a pass. I must apply in
person and they verify that the BB does belong to me.
However, it's been over 6 months and they keep saying
that they have run out of forms. I suspect that again it
is costing them too many personhours to keep it going,
so they have resorted to leaving the barriers up.
The presence of the barriers does deter most from parking
inside the compound, so it has some effect. Of course,
issuing a pass for your BB seems futile.
I wish I had the answer. From what I have read it seems to
be an international problem. It would be interesting to see
if somewhere like Germany or the Swiss keep to the BB rules.
Or perhaps Japan where there is practically no car theft.
Maybe a campaign to change peoples attitudes and relate
how difficult life can be for a disabled person when a BB
parking space isn't available.
Pauline
Pat Winstanley
pau...@dial.pipex.co.uk says...
> | So why issue ANY personal BBs, regardless of the eligible person's
> | housing situation? After all it *could* be used fraudulently by other
> | members of the household...
> |
> | What solution would you suggest?
>
> Well, it really doesn't matter how many or few people
> are issued with BBs because the current method of policing
> them doesn't work. So, my solution would be to have a better
> way of checking who is or isn't using the BB legitimately.
>
Makes more sense to me to educate the general public as to *why* some
disabled people have these badges, and *why* people who abuse them are
displaying very questionable ethics.
It probably doesn't help that quite a lot of (entitled) badge users are,
like me, *apparently* mobile to stranger observing... albeit for very
short distances before pain/discomfort makes further progress impossible
at the time and/or causes severe pain/discomfort a bit later on after
the trip. But of course when you park very close to your destination you
are only seen to walk very short distances! :-)
Pauline
| Makes more sense to me to educate the general public as to *why* some
| disabled people have these badges, and *why* people who abuse them
| are displaying very questionable ethics.
|
| It probably doesn't help that quite a lot of (entitled) badge users are,
| like me, *apparently* mobile to stranger observing... albeit for very
| short distances before pain/discomfort makes further progress impossible
| at the time and/or causes severe pain/discomfort a bit later on after
| the trip. But of course when you park very close to your destination you
| are only seen to walk very short distances! :-)
This is also true for many people with MS. I have a very
noticeable awkward gait but many MSers can walk
very well only to be hit by the fatigue 'wall' and soon
feel like being carried back to their car. Hot weather,
or staying too long in an overheated shop can have the
same result.
Even I am guilty of questioning the use of a BB bay when
I see the supposedly disabled driver run from their car.
OTOH some unentitled drivers, when seeing my querying
look have told me, as they rush past, that they are in a
hurry and will only be a few minutes.
I have also watched drivers search a car park for an
ordinary bay for 20 minutes. Seeing several empty BB bays
available is very tempting. They may feel entitled to park
in one of those bays and, in my experience, will not even
be questioned, let alone fined.
Pauline
·.¸¸.·´¯` Bill ´¯`·.¸¸.·
"Pauline" <pau...@dial.pipex.co.uk> wrote in message
news:3eb51873$0$962$cc9e...@news.dial.pipex.com...
I think we are all guilty of questioning the use of a blue badge bays - my
badge was lost last year and why I was waiting for a replacement, I had to
pay for parking and I noticed more of what I thought were able bodied people
using badges, it brought to light the fact that not only wheel chair users
have badges.
Bill
·.¸¸.·´¯` Bill ´¯`·.¸¸.·
Boris
Well, "Bill", I am tempted to say "if the cap fits...." . But I think
"if the caps fit...." is more appropriate. However, I thank you for
identifying yourself.
Now, I've allowed you this one reply, but before you have any more
from me, you will have to behave yourself.
Don Moody
<pau...@dial.pipex.co.uk> writes
>Well, it really doesn't matter how many or few people
>are issued with BBs because the current method of policing
>them doesn't work. So, my solution would be to have a better
>way of checking who is or isn't using the BB legitimately.
>
>Unfortunately, if this were to happen, many disabled people
>would feel hounded by the police and traffic wardens.
hounded? If they are breaking the law they deserve to be hounded.
>The police force wouldn't be able to cope with the extra
>workload anyway and councils would rather have their
>wardens paying for their keep by collecting parking fines.
They already have the power to fine misusers of Blue Badges, and to
withdraw such Badges for misuse.
>
>It can work with time and effort. I often visit a Sainsburys
>where the car park has a specific area for BB users. There
>are barriers which are raised by pressing a button from inside
>the store. I am not sure how it works but there is a sound
>system similar to that used at the MacDonalds drive in.
>I assume that you give them your name and they check
>if you can enter. (Would anyone bother to go outside and
>tell you that you can't?)
>
>The reason why I don't know how it works is that we have
>been several times to apply for a pass. I must apply in
>person and they verify that the BB does belong to me.
>However, it's been over 6 months and they keep saying
>that they have run out of forms. I suspect that again it
>is costing them too many personhours to keep it going,
>so they have resorted to leaving the barriers up.
It isn't what is costs them. The young folk collecting trolleys and
wheeling them back to the store could easily note the numbers of all
cars parked in disabled spaces but without Blue Badges.
It is the profit the store would lose by the able-bodied lout who
misused the space going off elsewhere to shop. That lout's spend is
worth exactly the same to the store pound for pound as your spend. The
only faint hope you have of changing the store's policy is to write to
its boss saying they will lose your business until they do something
effective about disabled parking. Point out it isn't an empty threat.
You CANNOT shop there if there isn't a clear space less distance from
their shop than the maximum limit for Blue Badges. Whereas the lout can
shop there if he parks a little further away.
>The presence of the barriers does deter most from parking
>inside the compound, so it has some effect. Of course,
>issuing a pass for your BB seems futile.
>
>I wish I had the answer. From what I have read it seems to
>be an international problem. It would be interesting to see
>if somewhere like Germany or the Swiss keep to the BB rules.
>Or perhaps Japan where there is practically no car theft.
>Maybe a campaign to change peoples attitudes and relate
>how difficult life can be for a disabled person when a BB
>parking space isn't available.
Such a campaign would have no practical effect whatsoever. You are
making the fundamental mistake of assuming that louts and yobs have a
sense of decency. If they had, they wouldn't park in disabled places
anyway. Not would they do distraction burglaries of pensioners. Nor
would they in any way ruin the lives of others. Since they do all those
things, they have no finer feelings to which to appeal.
The choice is either to get rules policed, and that does mean arrests
and prosecutions, or to take direct action. Very very few disabled
people are equipped to take direct action against a fit yob. So the only
practical choice is to get the rules policed.
Martin McGowan
"Pat Winstanley" <ng_...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
news:MPG.191f18829...@News.CIS.DFN.DE...snip
> Makes more sense to me to educate the general public as to *why* some
> disabled people have these badges, and *why* people who abuse them are
> displaying very questionable ethics.
>
which says something to the effect of if you are not disabled you are
stealing access from the disabled. Well that was the gist of it. Only ever
saw BB's on the disabled parking bays. Martin
Monty
<d...@hyperpeople.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>You CANNOT shop there if there isn't a clear space less distance from
>their shop than the maximum limit for Blue Badges. Whereas the lout can
>shop there if he parks a little further away.
loosing the disabled's custom because the disabled only provide a very
very small proportion of their yearly profit if any after they have
spent money complying with the laws concerning the disabled.
Our Sainsbury store has approximately 30 disabled parking spaces out
of around 500 maybe more and even on the busiest of days there are
always vacant disabled spaces while the able bodied are having to
search for a space to park. A small operator down the road has a much
better idea with his car parks he provides just two disabled parking
spaces out of a total I would say of 250 .
Monty .
wheelzuk
That way, she simply uses her own and it can't be used by others in the home's care. Doesn't negate the inexcusable and unlawful use of the badge, by the home owner, but, it means your mother has permanent access to the facility, in future.
John
wheelzuk
·.¸¸.·´¯` Bill ´¯`·.¸¸.·
Sadly the newsgroup as gone from bad to worse over the last couple of weeks,
it did start to pickup a little bit, obviously you don't know me and your
reply was somewhat confusing, the term is if the cap fits, its a well known
saying. Obvoiusly you decided to try and crack a joke that isn't understood
by me. You listen to, too many stories from others on the group. Make up
your own mind in future stop taring all with the same brush, my reply was
made because I was hoping we had moved on from the tit for tat answers, that
have been flying around. In the end we have to to say enough is enough, but
its no good saying this, and then on the other hand giving little daft
comments at the end of ones posts.
Now, I've allowed you this one reply, but before you have any more
from me, you will have to behave yourself.
Bill
Pauline
A brilliant idea John & just what we intended to do.
Unfortunately, my mother died shortly after the event.
She had a good innings: 97 years old and fought
against being thought of as disabled until the last.
We would have had to persuade her that she needed
here own BB as she regarded her increasing difficulty
in walking as only a temporary hitch. When we took
her shopping, I had a problem keeping up with her.
Pauline
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