guiness 'thingy'
Kevin Minett
Can anyone tell me Guinness's name for their "Widget" or "Draughtflow System"
equivalent? Thanx!
--
kev
E-Mail K...@nuthutch.demon.co.uk
18-Jan-97 15:53:26
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bdk
In article <164.6957...@nuthutch.demon.co.uk>, Kevin Minett
<k...@nuthutch.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>Can anyone tell me Guinness's name for their "Widget" or "Draughtflow System"
>equivalent? Thanx!
>
It's official name is "Widget," which means that bottom-feeding Business
Majors in at least two continents have spent the last several decades
studying the thing that gives Guinness Pub Draught a creamy head. This
makes me happy.
Dave
Having a Guinness himself...
--
Now Serving At: http://www.mindspring.com/~djkelley/Kelley's-Pub.html
Non-spam email welcome at: djke...@mindspring.com
Jeremiah Kristal
On 18 Jan 97 15:54:43 +0000, Kevin Minett <k...@nuthutch.demon.co.uk>
wrote:
>Can anyone tell me Guinness's name for their "Widget" or "Draughtflow System"
>equivalent? Thanx!
I've always heard it referred to as the "Widget", or more likely, the
"()&^&$))#&****@#*%$(&@#$(#$& Widget thingy that takes up *(&#(#($#*@(
precious beer space".
Jeremiah
who drinks his Guinness from a proper Irish pub
Liam
>
> Can anyone tell me Guinness's name for their "Widget" or "Draughtflow System"
> equivalent? Thanx!
>
Its called a "gas pod". Check out:
Ian Hunt
On Tue, 21 Jan 1997 22:59:17 GMT, La...@thehalls.dolphinet.co.uk (Dal
& Leaf) wrote:
>On Tue, 21 Jan 1997 14:47:47 +0100, ch...@cpres.demon.co.uk (BiNKy)
>wrote:
>
>>I think they're called "lack of perceived value for money" Why the fuck
>>they can't supply a l'il CO2 cartridge as an optional accessory you can
>>attach to the can defeats me - hello? Is this 1997? Have you ever tried
>>stomping one of those bastard draughtflow cans underfoot? - DON'T!, injury
>>will follow sure as day follows night. Beer is too expensive as it is,
>>without half filling a can with a shitload of nonsense. Draught beer -
>>Pub/Bar, Full cans - Offie, as someone (Dal?) eloquently put it...
>>Bah!
>
>>Mr Angry
>
>Binky.....
>
>You are so right!!!! You are even in the 'quote' page on this subject.
>
>Widgets are the devil's invention..... I like *my* bitter at room
>temperature and these fucking widgets *explode* if they haven't been
>in the fridge for a few hours...... and as you say, they take up room
>in the can......
For what it's worth, I agree. In most ways they are a retrograde step
in the sale of beer. I'll stay with my home brew Guinness clone in the
40 pint pressure barrels. Mind you if they ever explode I'm in deep
shit.
>
>I 'opened' a widget one day..... damn near took my hand off....
A subtle version of the mail bomb maybe?
>
>Dal, starting a boycott of beer with widgets!
Cheers
Ian
Alan J Holmes
In article <32E231...@concentric.net>, Liam <sa...@concentric.net> wrote:
>This is a multi-part message in MIME format.
Which to me is meaningless!
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And what does all that bit mean?
>Its called a "gas pod". Check out:
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>
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><head>
><title>Guinness Beer - Patent Information on the Smoothifier</title>
></head>
><body bgcolor="#ffffff" text="#000000" link="#00b000" vlink="#007000" alink="#ff0000" background="bakr.gif">
><center>
><h1><img width=177 height=119 alt="Guinness" src="g4.gif"><br>Patent Information on the Smoothifier</h1><P>
></center>
>Robert James <a href="mailto:bobj...@delphi.com">bobj...@delphi.com</a> posted:
><cite>I was doing some patent search work at the Washington library in
>Chicago the other day and I ran across no. 4,832,968, the U.S.
>patent for the Guinness in a can stout. </cite><br>
><h3>The basics:</h3>
><ul>
><li><strong>Inventors:</strong> Alan J. Forage & William J. Byrne
><li><strong>Assignee:</strong> Arthur Guinness Son & Co., Ltd.<p>
></ul>
><h3>Process:</h3>
><ul>
><li>The gas pod in the can is blow molded with nitrogen (N).
><li>A laser zaps a hole in the pod. (they experimented with
> holes between 0.2mm and 2.5mm finding that 0.61 mm as ideal)
><li>Pod is inserted in the bottom of can.
><li>Can is filled with CO2/N supersaturated stout. N is present
> at 1.5% v/v min up to 3.5% v/v. (FYI, vol/vol is the number
> of volumes of gas which are dissolved in a unit volume of
> beverage at 760mm of Hg & 15.6 oC) CO2 is present at between
> 0.8 and 1.5% v/v.
><li>During filling, foam rises to top of can. This clears the
> air.
><li>A charge of liquid N is added to the stout.
><li>Can is sealed.
><li>As liquid N boils off in can during pasteurisation (60 oC
> for 15-20 min), top of can pressurizes and forces the stout
> into the pod, thus compressing the ambient pressure N in the
> pod.
><li>Equilibrium is reached at about 25 psi.
></ul>
><cite>As I interpret the patent, this is what happens when the can is
>opened:</cite><br>
>The can quickly depressurizes to ambient pressure. The pod thus
>expels the stout contained in it (about 10-15 ml) at high
>velocity through the orifice. This causes high local strain of
>the stout at the plane of the orifice. This strain exceeds the
>cohesive forces holding the gases in solution. As a result, the
>N/CO2 is liberated from the stout at the plane of the orifice.
>The millions of tiny N/CO2 bubbles then become the foam head. So
>contrary to my initial belief, while some of the N gas in the pod
>escapes directly into the stout, it is actually the "ripping
>apart" of the stout as it exits the pod which produces the
>bubbles, hence the creamy head.<br>
><hr>
><ul>
><img width=14 heigh=14 src="greendot.gif"> <strong>I.</strong> <a href="net.html">Other Guinness 'Net Resources</a><br>
><img width=14 heigh=14 src="greendot.gif"> <strong>II.</strong> <a href="facts.html">Guinness Facts</a><br>
><img width=14 heigh=14 src="greendot.gif"> <strong>III. </strong> <a href="faq.html">Guinness FAQs</a><br>
><img width=14 heigh=14 src="greendot.gif"> <strong>IV. </strong> <a href="serve.html">FAQs About Serving Guinness and Guinness Drinks</a><br>
><img width=14 heigh=14 src="greendot.gif"> <strong>V. </strong> <a href="bnt.html">"Black and Tan" FAQs</a><br>
><img width=14 heigh=14 src="greendot.gif"> <strong>VI. </strong> <a href="health.html">Guinness and Health</a><br>
><img width=14 heigh=14 src="greendot.gif"> <strong>VII. </strong> <a href="specs.html">Specifications of the Various Types of Guinness</a><br>
><img width=14 heigh=14 src="greendot.gif"> <strong>Appendix I</strong> <a href="beginner.html">A guide for the un-initated to buying Guinness in an Irish pub.</a><br>
><img width=14 heigh=14 src="greendot.gif"> <a href="index.html">Guinness FAQt and Folklore</a><br>
></ul>
></body>
></html>
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>
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>
Can someone tell me what all this means, and why can't people
sent straight ASCII text which _everyone_ can follow.
Alan
Ratboy
Alan J Holmes wrote:
<snip alan complaining, yet reposting same thing>
> Can someone tell me what all this means, and why can't people
> sent straight ASCII text which _everyone_ can follow.
Have a drink, relax, and join the fun. Or "HUFF OFF!
It's you7r choice.
>
> Alan
>
Ratboy
Luigi
Alan J Holmes wrote:
> Can someone tell me what all this means, and why can't people
> sent straight ASCII text which _everyone_ can follow.
>
> Alan
>
It means your news browser can't handle it. Go to
www.ivo.se/guinness/patent.html on your web browser and you will find
all you want to know about the Guinness thingie.
Liam.
BiNKy
In article <164.6957...@nuthutch.demon.co.uk>,
Kevin Minett <k...@nuthutch.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>Can anyone tell me Guinness's name for their "Widget" or "Draughtflow System"
>equivalent? Thanx!
>
>
>--
> kev
> E-Mail K...@nuthutch.demon.co.uk
> 18-Jan-97 15:53:26
>--
>
I think they're called "lack of perceived value for money" Why the fuck
they can't supply a l'il CO2 cartridge as an optional accessory you can
attach to the can defeats me - hello? Is this 1997? Have you ever tried
stomping one of those bastard draughtflow cans underfoot? - DON'T!, injury
will follow sure as day follows night. Beer is too expensive as it is,
without half filling a can with a shitload of nonsense. Draught beer -
Pub/Bar, Full cans - Offie, as someone (Dal?) eloquently put it...
Bah!
--
Mr Angry
Ratboy
Alan J Holmes wrote:
>
> In article <32E41C...@pond.com>, Ratboy <ra...@pond.com> wrote:
> >Alan J Holmes wrote:
>
> > <snip alan complaining, yet reposting same thing>
>
> >> sent straight ASCII text which _everyone_ can follow.
>
>
> text is not readable.
>
> > It's you7r choice.
>
> I wonder what 'you7r' is meant to be?
Obviously yo're a sober 'Tard.
>
> Alan
Ratboy
Alan J Holmes
> <snip alan complaining, yet reposting same thing>
>> Can someone tell me what all this means, and why can't people
>> sent straight ASCII text which _everyone_ can follow.
> Have a drink, relax, and join the fun. Or "HUFF OFF!
It's idiots like you who prevent others enjoying the fun, if the
text is not readable.
> It's you7r choice.
I wonder what 'you7r' is meant to be?
Alan
Dal & Leaf
>I think they're called "lack of perceived value for money" Why the fuck
>they can't supply a l'il CO2 cartridge as an optional accessory you can
>attach to the can defeats me - hello? Is this 1997? Have you ever tried
>stomping one of those bastard draughtflow cans underfoot? - DON'T!, injury
>will follow sure as day follows night. Beer is too expensive as it is,
>without half filling a can with a shitload of nonsense. Draught beer -
>Pub/Bar, Full cans - Offie, as someone (Dal?) eloquently put it...
>Bah!
>--
>Mr Angry
Hear hear!!!
Leaf-----*I* said that about the offie, btw......Me me me me!
Dal & Leaf
>I think they're called "lack of perceived value for money" Why the fuck
>they can't supply a l'il CO2 cartridge as an optional accessory you can
>attach to the can defeats me - hello? Is this 1997? Have you ever tried
>stomping one of those bastard draughtflow cans underfoot? - DON'T!, injury
>will follow sure as day follows night. Beer is too expensive as it is,
>without half filling a can with a shitload of nonsense. Draught beer -
>Pub/Bar, Full cans - Offie, as someone (Dal?) eloquently put it...
>Bah!
>Mr Angry
Binky.....
You are so right!!!! You are even in the 'quote' page on this subject.
Widgets are the devil's invention..... I like *my* bitter at room
temperature and these fucking widgets *explode* if they haven't been
in the fridge for a few hours...... and as you say, they take up room
in the can......
I 'opened' a widget one day..... damn near took my hand off....
Dal, starting a boycott of beer with widgets!
Alan J Holmes
>> Can someone tell me what all this means, and why can't people
>> sent straight ASCII text which _everyone_ can follow.
>It means your news browser can't handle it. Go to
>www.ivo.se/guinness/patent.html on your web browser and you will find
>all you want to know about the Guinness thingie.
Not sure I want to be bothered!(:-)
Alan
Jake
Ian Hunt wrote:
>
> On Tue, 21 Jan 1997 22:59:17 GMT, La...@thehalls.dolphinet.co.uk (Dal
> & Leaf) wrote:
>
> >wrote:
> >
> >>I think they're called "lack of perceived value for money" Why the fuck
> >>they can't supply a l'il CO2 cartridge as an optional accessory you can
> >>attach to the can defeats me - hello? Is this 1997? Have you ever tried
> >>stomping one of those bastard draughtflow cans underfoot? - DON'T!, injury
> For what it's worth, I agree. In most ways they are a retrograde step
> in the sale of beer. I'll stay with my home brew Guinness clone in the
> 40 pint pressure barrels. Mind you if they ever explode I'm in deep
> shit.
Ian Hunt
On Thu, 23 Jan 1997 10:25:59 +0000, Jake <j...@sv1.smb.man.ac.uk>
wrote:
>Got the recipe?
Yep!
>Sounds good.
It makes very little sound.............tastes bloody good though. :-)
Seriously, if you do want the recipe I will email it to you.
Be warned that it is an all grain recipe not that wimpish kit kek.
It should only be undertaken by someone with the right equipment and
the required experience. Unfortunately you also have to be reasonably
sober during the earlier stages of production. I, of course, could
take no responsibility for any injuries sustained during the brewing
of this beer.
If you (or any other brave db) still want the recipe then contact me
by email.
Cheers
Ian - Thinking about brewing a NukeHastle Brown ale clone.
Sully
Alan J Holmes wrote:
>
> >Its called a "gas pod". Check out:
>
> Which is then followed by a lot of meaningless jargon.
> sent straight ASCII text which _everyone_ can follow.
Simple, really. Take a pint of Guiness. Take a syringe. Draw 10cc of
stout into the syringe. Hold the tip of the syringe just off the
surface of the beer, and depress the plunger. A foamy head will result.
The gas pod does the same thing, except from the bottom of the can.
-Sully (who studied Intoxicology in collitch)
Dal & Leaf
On Fri, 24 Jan 1997 11:40:19 -0800, Sully <brew...@napanet.net>
wrote:
>Simple, really. Take a pint of Guiness. Take a syringe. Draw 10cc of
>stout into the syringe. Hold the tip of the syringe just off the
>surface of the beer, and depress the plunger. A foamy head will result.
>The gas pod does the same thing, except from the bottom of the can.
Whew! Thank god for you technowhiz's....I am going to place a plaque
around the Sainsburys main purchasing executive.....
"Widget, Smidget...Sully just says 'Yes'.... (and I can't spell 'cos I
am a drunken bastard)"
Leaf---ok ok... a *big* plaque...
Tony B.
Kevin Minett wrote:
>
> Can anyone tell me Guinness's name for their "Widget" or "Draughtflow System"
> equivalent? Thanx!
>
> --
> kev
> E-Mail K...@nuthutch.demon.co.uk
> 18-Jan-97 15:53:26
> --
Ay, 'tis Paddy O'Phart and his brothers. Each of the little people live
in the bottom of the can and are contracted out to break wind whenever
the top of the can gets opened. It's a hard job but it beats plastering
walls in Liverpool :)