PayPal and googlemail/gmail (long)

[Geo]

Sorry if this is old hat to the regulars but as a bit of advice to
anyone else...

If you use a googlemail/gmail account with PayPal, register BOTH
addresses to your account.

I have had a googlemail account since 2005. The email address I used
for PayPal was ********@gmail.com.
A few months ago I got an "Activate your PayPal account" email to this
address including a confirmation code and a womans address in England.
Later she bought an item and I received communication from the seller.

Paypal have been no help - after several attempts I got this "stuff
you" message:-

"In the email that you forwarded, I noticed that it was sent
********@googlemail.com, with this please note that PayPal considers
googlemail.com and gmail.com as technically different emails due to
spelling even though they are essentially the same.

In this, we could assume that a person named ‘**** ****’ opened a
PayPal account using ********@googlemail.com. And since essentially
it’s the same with gmail.com you received the email notification
addressed to ‘**** ****’ requesting to confirm the email

Until the owner[1] of ********@googlemail.com address removes it from
their PayPal account, email notifications regarding their PayPal
account will continue to be sent to this email address."

[1]. Their definition of "owner" is different to mine!

[Rob Morley]

So basically someone typed their address incorrectly when they
registered with PayPal? And any attempt to get them to correct it
will end up in your inbox. That's annoying. Any clued-up service
provider should send a confirmation message to an address that's been
registered, and not use it until a reply has been received from that
address confirming its use. But how many people do you think
mistakenly use my address?

[Geo]

On Thu, 19 Sep 2013 16:45:19 +0100, Rob Morley <nos...@ntlworld.com>
wrote:

>So basically someone typed their address incorrectly when they
>registered with PayPal? And any attempt to get them to correct it
>will end up in your inbox. That's annoying. Any clued-up service
>provider should send a confirmation message to an address that's been
>registered, and not use it until a reply has been received from that
>address confirming its use.

That's what I don't understand - the confirmation message came to me:-

"Welcome

Dear **** ****,

Thanks for signing up to PayPal.

For your security, we need to make sure you are the owner of this
PayPal account. Please click Activate My Account to confirm your email
address.

Activate My Account"

It's not major - just an annoyance that Paypal will not contact the
stupid woman and get it put right.
Googling shows it has been happening since at least 2007 to other
people so it is obviously a "known fault".

[yendor]

but you cannot add an email address to Paypal without clicking the
confirmation email that they send you when you try to add a new address.

--
yendor
If it's not broken, let's fix it till it is.

[Rob Morley]

So it shouldn't be a problem, should it?

[Ned]

On Thu, 19 Sep 2013 18:49:46 +0100, yendor wrote:

> but you cannot add an email address to Paypal without clicking the
> confirmation email that they send you when you try to add a new address.

Someone registered a PayPal account to my Gmail address. It did have a
button to click to confirm my email address; even though I didn't click
it PayPal continue to send me emails months later with no way to
unsubscribe.

[Grimly Curmudgeon]

On Fri, 20 Sep 2013 16:53:39 -0500, Ned <n...@nednednednedned.com>
wrote:

>Someone registered a PayPal account to my Gmail address. It did have a
>button to click to confirm my email address; even though I didn't click
>it PayPal continue to send me emails months later with no way to
>unsubscribe.

Not Paypal, but there's some fucking idiot in Chicago keeps giving my
gmail address as his (I presume his real address is very close, like
just a typo away) to his library, accountants, home-owners
association, tool supplier, etc.
This isn't a malicious attack, as in, they all are genuine contacts,
but if the idiot doesn't pull his socks up and correct things I could
have some mishchief with it.

[Yellow]

In article <ot3r39lfs5v142ajv...@4ax.com>, grimly4
@gmail.com says...

I had someone do that with a hotmail address of mine - I had the .com
and they had the .co.uk.

I asked them to stop and they did not so I made the mistake of sending
them a frustrated email explaining exactly would mischief I could do if
they did not pack it in.

They forwarded my email to Hotmail who cancelled MY account!

So be warned.

[Rob Morley]

On Sat, 21 Sep 2013 23:49:53 +0100
Yellow <no...@none.com> wrote:

> I had someone do that with a hotmail address of mine - I had the .com
> and they had the .co.uk.
>
> I asked them to stop and they did not so I made the mistake of
> sending them a frustrated email explaining exactly would mischief I
> could do if they did not pack it in.
>
> They forwarded my email to Hotmail who cancelled MY account!
>
> So be warned.

I don't think we really need warning, clearly that would be a
particularly silly thing to do.

[Yellow]

In article <20130922155911.5980b0d0@hyperion>, nos...@ntlworld.com
says...

That an email company would cancel the account of the victim of someone
else's stupidity just did not enter my head so while it was most
certainly a mistake on my part, you are going to have to explain to me
exactly why it was silly.

[Rob Morley]

You threatened them with "mischief". You expected (a lacky working
for) a big corporation to display common sense and "do the right thing"
rather than take the path of least litigation. If instead you had
contacted the service provider as a worried user who thought his
identity had been stolen, you might have had an altogether different
result (of course it might have turned out just as bad, or you might
have ended up sending /them/ abusive messages - it wouldn't be
altogether unusual for "customer service" to be incompetent or
non-existent).

[Yellow]

In article <20130922170634.5c34e925@hyperion>, nos...@ntlworld.com
says...

>
> On Sun, 22 Sep 2013 16:45:34 +0100
> Yellow <no...@none.com> wrote:
>
> > In article <20130922155911.5980b0d0@hyperion>, nos...@ntlworld.com
> > says...
> > >
> > > On Sat, 21 Sep 2013 23:49:53 +0100
> > > Yellow <no...@none.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > > I had someone do that with a hotmail address of mine - I had
> > > > the .com and they had the .co.uk.
> > > >
> > > > I asked them to stop and they did not so I made the mistake of
> > > > sending them a frustrated email explaining exactly would mischief
> > > > I could do if they did not pack it in.
> > > >
> > > > They forwarded my email to Hotmail who cancelled MY account!
> > > >
> > > > So be warned.
> > >
> > > I don't think we really need warning, clearly that would be a
> > > particularly silly thing to do.
> >
> >
> > That an email company would cancel the account of the victim of
> > someone else's stupidity just did not enter my head so while it was
> > most certainly a mistake on my part, you are going to have to explain
> > to me exactly why it was silly.
>
> You threatened them with "mischief".

Now you are the one who is being silly.

I did not use the word "mischief" in my communication nor did I threaten
them but instead highlighted the risks to them of using a email address
that they do not have access to but someone did, for logins etc.

I listed all the account they had freely given me access to and also
mentioned the saucy email her boyfriend had sent my way by error.

I just thought it would make the risks of their carelessness hit home
and that they would stop - but there you go, some people get nasty when
they are called out for being in the wrong.

> You expected (a lacky working
> for) a big corporation to display common sense and "do the right thing"
> rather than take the path of least litigation. If instead you had
> contacted the service provider as a worried user who thought his
> identity had been stolen, you might have had an altogether different
> result (of course it might have turned out just as bad, or you might
> have ended up sending /them/ abusive messages - it wouldn't be
> altogether unusual for "customer service" to be incompetent or
> non-existent).

Crikey! What on earth has caused you concluded that I sent abusive
messages to anyone? Be clear - I most certainly did not!

I said I was frustrated; I did not say I was a psycho.

And as I said, it was a mistake on my part and it was a lesson well
learned which is why I decided to share my story so that other people
(not a smarty-pants like you, clearly) are not tempted to make the same
one.

[Rob Morley]

On Sun, 22 Sep 2013 17:30:28 +0100

Yellow <no...@none.com> wrote:

> In article <20130922170634.5c34e925@hyperion>, nos...@ntlworld.com
> says...
> >
> > On Sun, 22 Sep 2013 16:45:34 +0100
> > Yellow <no...@none.com> wrote:
> >
> > > In article <20130922155911.5980b0d0@hyperion>,
> > > nos...@ntlworld.com says...
> > > >
> > > > On Sat, 21 Sep 2013 23:49:53 +0100
> > > > Yellow <no...@none.com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > I had someone do that with a hotmail address of mine - I had
> > > > > the .com and they had the .co.uk.
> > > > >
> > > > > I asked them to stop and they did not so I made the mistake of
> > > > > sending them a frustrated email explaining exactly would
> > > > > mischief I could do if they did not pack it in.
> > > > >
> > > > > They forwarded my email to Hotmail who cancelled MY account!
> > > > >
> > > > > So be warned.
> > > >
> > > > I don't think we really need warning, clearly that would be a
> > > > particularly silly thing to do.
> > >
> > >
> > > That an email company would cancel the account of the victim of
> > > someone else's stupidity just did not enter my head so while it
> > > was most certainly a mistake on my part, you are going to have to
> > > explain to me exactly why it was silly.
> >
> > You threatened them with "mischief".
>
> Now you are the one who is being silly.
>

Nope - it says so just up there ^

[Yellow]

In article <20130922185150.20b5e9cd@hyperion>, nos...@ntlworld.com

Why are you trying to pick a fight?

[Rob Morley]

On Sun, 22 Sep 2013 18:55:34 +0100

Why do you think I am?