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The Older Gentleman
May 19, 2013, 4:37:47 AM5/19/13
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OK, so I won a Honda 400F on eBay while I was abroad recently, and went
out to collect it yesterday.
Pretty much as expected - lots of expensive new parts, well repainted
but not in quite the right shade, overall definitely worth the entry
price.
The frist thing I always do, always, always, *always*, with a vehicle is
check the numbers against the V5.
And this frame had been restamped. Badly, at that. You could see the
gringing marks on the frame, and the numbers were as uneven as a
rapist's heartbeat, and in the wrong font, to boot.
For example, Honda does its zero - 0 - with a split top and bottom, so
it looks like a pair of brackets, thus: (). And while the zeros were
fine on the CB400 bit, they weren't on the rest.
And I looked at the engine number, and that was even more flagrantly
tampered with.
It was as a hookey as a copy of the Angling Times. And I simply said to
the seller, who'd had it a year: "It's a rainger." And Mr Muscle,
complete with multiple tattoos, didn't seem surprised. "Oh, is it? I
didn't know..." He'd had the bike a year.
He offered it to me cheap, for parts, but I carefully explained that I
was buying this on the company, as part of a business, and I absolutely
could not get involved in buying anything that had been stolen and
ringed, as this had. "I'm lumbered with it then?" he asked. "I'm
afraid so, yes. It was probably ringed decades ago - nobody bothers
giving �1500 old bikes new identities these days. But it'll be on a
stolen register somewhere."
And I made my excuses and left. No deal.
Now, normally a call to Plod would follow. Ths bloke *knew* it was
hookey, for sure, but I doubt very much he'd ringed it. And as this was
a company purchase, all my name and address details are in the clear.
And I don't want grief from Essex Rottweiler Man.
Suggestions? Just leave it and move on?
--
Honda CB400 Four x3 Triumph Street Triple Ducati 800SS
BMW K100RS Yamaha 660 Tenere Suzuki GN250, TS250ER x3
So many bikes, so little garage space....
chateau dot murray at idnet dot com
out to collect it yesterday.
Pretty much as expected - lots of expensive new parts, well repainted
but not in quite the right shade, overall definitely worth the entry
price.
The frist thing I always do, always, always, *always*, with a vehicle is
check the numbers against the V5.
And this frame had been restamped. Badly, at that. You could see the
gringing marks on the frame, and the numbers were as uneven as a
rapist's heartbeat, and in the wrong font, to boot.
For example, Honda does its zero - 0 - with a split top and bottom, so
it looks like a pair of brackets, thus: (). And while the zeros were
fine on the CB400 bit, they weren't on the rest.
And I looked at the engine number, and that was even more flagrantly
tampered with.
It was as a hookey as a copy of the Angling Times. And I simply said to
the seller, who'd had it a year: "It's a rainger." And Mr Muscle,
complete with multiple tattoos, didn't seem surprised. "Oh, is it? I
didn't know..." He'd had the bike a year.
He offered it to me cheap, for parts, but I carefully explained that I
was buying this on the company, as part of a business, and I absolutely
could not get involved in buying anything that had been stolen and
ringed, as this had. "I'm lumbered with it then?" he asked. "I'm
afraid so, yes. It was probably ringed decades ago - nobody bothers
giving �1500 old bikes new identities these days. But it'll be on a
stolen register somewhere."
And I made my excuses and left. No deal.
Now, normally a call to Plod would follow. Ths bloke *knew* it was
hookey, for sure, but I doubt very much he'd ringed it. And as this was
a company purchase, all my name and address details are in the clear.
And I don't want grief from Essex Rottweiler Man.
Suggestions? Just leave it and move on?
--
Honda CB400 Four x3 Triumph Street Triple Ducati 800SS
BMW K100RS Yamaha 660 Tenere Suzuki GN250, TS250ER x3
So many bikes, so little garage space....
chateau dot murray at idnet dot com
c...@nospam.netunix.com
May 19, 2013, 6:00:46 AM5/19/13
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In uk.rec.motorcycles.classic The Older Gentleman <totallyde...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>
> And this frame had been restamped. Badly, at that. You could see the
> gringing marks on the frame, and the numbers were as uneven as a
> rapist's heartbeat, and in the wrong font, to boot.
>
>
> And this frame had been restamped. Badly, at that. You could see the
> gringing marks on the frame, and the numbers were as uneven as a
> rapist's heartbeat, and in the wrong font, to boot.
>
> And I looked at the engine number, and that was even more flagrantly
> tampered with.
It might not be a stolen ringer - it could just be a bitza where the
> tampered with.
builder tried to make it fit the V5. Crash bike, bent frame, buy a
snotter for parts and make it all fit.
.
> And I made my excuses and left. No deal.
Best thing to do - you ducked a bullet there.
> Suggestions? Just leave it and move on?
frame into scrap size bits. But hopefully I would not have been
lumbered.
--
05 Yamaha YP400 Majesty
75 Suzuki GT750 Kettle
81 Suzuki GT200 X5
++May contain nuts.++
The Older Gentleman
May 19, 2013, 9:08:50 AM5/19/13
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<c...@NOSPAM.netunix.com> wrote:
> It might not be a stolen ringer - it could just be a bitza where the
> builder tried to make it fit the V5. Crash bike, bent frame, buy a
> snotter for parts and make it all fit.
No. There is no reason on earth for grinding off and re-stamping an
> It might not be a stolen ringer - it could just be a bitza where the
> builder tried to make it fit the V5. Crash bike, bent frame, buy a
> snotter for parts and make it all fit.
engine and a frame number except criminaility.
> you ducked a bullet there.
numbers.
Peter Hill
May 19, 2013, 6:40:42 PM5/19/13
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On 19/05/2013 14:08, The Older Gentleman wrote:
> <c...@NOSPAM.netunix.com> wrote:
>
>> It might not be a stolen ringer - it could just be a bitza where the
>> builder tried to make it fit the V5. Crash bike, bent frame, buy a
>> snotter for parts and make it all fit.
>
> No. There is no reason on earth for grinding off and re-stamping an
> engine and a frame number except criminaility.
>
>> you ducked a bullet there.
>
> Not really. As I've said elsewhere, I always, *always* check the
> numbers.
It may have been stolen - recovered years ago. When a bent breakers yard
> <c...@NOSPAM.netunix.com> wrote:
>
>> It might not be a stolen ringer - it could just be a bitza where the
>> builder tried to make it fit the V5. Crash bike, bent frame, buy a
>> snotter for parts and make it all fit.
>
> No. There is no reason on earth for grinding off and re-stamping an
> engine and a frame number except criminaility.
>
>> you ducked a bullet there.
>
> Not really. As I've said elsewhere, I always, *always* check the
> numbers.
gets nicked what happens to all the "stock"? It becomes the property of
the insurance co's. They sell it.
Still as a classic bike it's worth zilch.
--
Peter Hill
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The Older Gentleman
May 20, 2013, 2:12:14 AM5/20/13
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Almost certainly.
> When a bent breakers yard
> gets nicked what happens to all the "stock"? It becomes the property of
> the insurance co's. They sell it.
And it cannot go back on the road under its ringed identity. If it goes
back on the road at all, it has to have a Q plate.
> When a bent breakers yard
> gets nicked what happens to all the "stock"? It becomes the property of
> the insurance co's. They sell it.
back on the road at all, it has to have a Q plate.
The Older Gentleman
May 20, 2013, 2:59:20 AM5/20/13
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Peter Hill <peter....@skyshack.demon.co.uk> wrote:
> it may have been stolen - recovered years ago.
Actually, a correction. Probably not. It's probably been circulating
with its fake identity for decades, because (trust me on this) hardly
*anyone* checks numbers when they buy vehicles.
> it may have been stolen - recovered years ago.
Actually, a correction. Probably not. It's probably been circulating
with its fake identity for decades, because (trust me on this) hardly
*anyone* checks numbers when they buy vehicles.
Buzby
May 20, 2013, 11:53:49 AM5/20/13
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The Older Gentleman wrote:
> Peter Hill <peter....@skyshack.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>
> > t may have been stolen - recovered years ago.
>
> Almost certainly.
>
> > When a bent breakers yard
> > gets nicked what happens to all the "stock"? It becomes the
> > property of the insurance co's. They sell it.
>
> And it cannot go back on the road under its ringed identity. If it
> goes back on the road at all, it has to have a Q plate.
You're clocking up some impressive aborted mileage!
> Peter Hill <peter....@skyshack.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>
> > t may have been stolen - recovered years ago.
>
> Almost certainly.
>
> > When a bent breakers yard
> > gets nicked what happens to all the "stock"? It becomes the
> > property of the insurance co's. They sell it.
>
> And it cannot go back on the road under its ringed identity. If it
> goes back on the road at all, it has to have a Q plate.
--
Buzby
"There's nothing more dangerous than a resourceful idiot"
Hog
May 21, 2013, 8:48:12 AM5/21/13
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The Older Gentleman wrote:
> Peter Hill <peter....@skyshack.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>
>> it may have been stolen - recovered years ago.
>
> Actually, a correction. Probably not. It's probably been circulating
> with its fake identity for decades, because (trust me on this) hardly
> *anyone* checks numbers when they buy vehicles.
Did you suggest to him he bins the frame and crankcase and sells the rest
> Peter Hill <peter....@skyshack.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>
>> it may have been stolen - recovered years ago.
>
> Actually, a correction. Probably not. It's probably been circulating
> with its fake identity for decades, because (trust me on this) hardly
> *anyone* checks numbers when they buy vehicles.
for parts?
--
Hog
GSXR1000K4 Ducati ST4S GasGas 250 Raga
The Older Gentleman
May 21, 2013, 2:08:01 PM5/21/13
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Hog <SPAM...@CHIPShotmail.co.uk> wrote:
> The Older Gentleman wrote:
> > Peter Hill <peter....@skyshack.demon.co.uk> wrote:
> >
> >> it may have been stolen - recovered years ago.
> >
> > Actually, a correction. Probably not. It's probably been circulating
> > with its fake identity for decades, because (trust me on this) hardly
> > *anyone* checks numbers when they buy vehicles.
>
> Did you suggest to him he bins the frame and crankcase and sells the rest
> for parts?
Yes.
> The Older Gentleman wrote:
> > Peter Hill <peter....@skyshack.demon.co.uk> wrote:
> >
> >> it may have been stolen - recovered years ago.
> >
> > Actually, a correction. Probably not. It's probably been circulating
> > with its fake identity for decades, because (trust me on this) hardly
> > *anyone* checks numbers when they buy vehicles.
>
> Did you suggest to him he bins the frame and crankcase and sells the rest
> for parts?
John Benn
May 22, 2013, 4:35:38 AM5/22/13
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"The Older Gentleman" <totallyde...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
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Report it to the police.
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Hog
May 22, 2013, 6:05:49 AM5/22/13
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>> Suggestions? Just leave it and move on?
>
> Report it to the police.
You seem to have lost touch with why the Police exist these days
>
> Report it to the police.
The Older Gentleman
May 22, 2013, 1:09:48 PM5/22/13
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John Benn <MrBenn...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > Suggestions? Just leave it and move on?
>
> Report it to the police.
Well, he filed a request to cancel the deal by mutual consent, saying
> > Suggestions? Just leave it and move on?
>
> Report it to the police.
the numbers had been 'tampered with'.
I did so, but not until I'd left negative feedback. "As far from
accurately described as Alpha Centauri."
John Benn
May 23, 2013, 6:06:49 PM5/23/13
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> John Benn wrote:
>> "The Older Gentleman" <totallyde...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in
>
>>> Suggestions? Just leave it and move on?
>>
>> Report it to the police.
>
> You seem to have lost touch with why the Police exist these days
You are right. Very good point!
>> "The Older Gentleman" <totallyde...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in
>
>>> Suggestions? Just leave it and move on?
>>
>> Report it to the police.
>
> You seem to have lost touch with why the Police exist these days
Mitch
May 26, 2013, 4:14:03 PM5/26/13
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If reporting it would get it returned to its rightful owner I'd say yes but
it won't so I'd leave it and let the cops concentrate on more useful stuff
like shooting more Islamic terrorist nutters. Newer vehicles have got shadow
VIN's in various hidden places which enable repatriation but not a 400/4.
it won't so I'd leave it and let the cops concentrate on more useful stuff
like shooting more Islamic terrorist nutters. Newer vehicles have got shadow
VIN's in various hidden places which enable repatriation but not a 400/4.
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