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Boots

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Jun 17, 2006, 1:15:57 PM6/17/06
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I am interested in this motorbike but something doesnt ring true. What do
you lot on here think? Also isnt against reules to sell something you dont
have in stock?

Thanks for any advice


Boots

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Jun 17, 2006, 1:22:27 PM6/17/06
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IT FECKING ON @i'llrunyouoverinmycaravenyouc*nt.com GYPSY WARS

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Jun 17, 2006, 1:27:33 PM6/17/06
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"Boots" <spa...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Firstly the bike is sold in bits and theres a fee to put it together and if
your want it delivered , put together etc then its an extra 149.99

Boots

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Jun 17, 2006, 1:30:39 PM6/17/06
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assembly isnt a problem. Im just not sure if its some sort of rip off/scam


IT FECKING ON @i'llrunyouoverinmycaravenyouc*nt.com GYPSY WARS

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Jun 17, 2006, 1:33:34 PM6/17/06
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"Boots" <spa...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> assembly isnt a problem. Im just not sure if its some sort of rip off/scam
>

Well , i would read his feedback closely , see if they have sold any thing
similar etc and ask him for his phone number and call him.

Funfly3

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Jun 17, 2006, 1:41:58 PM6/17/06
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My reply address does work


"Boots" <spa...@hotmail.com> wrote in message

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> assembly isnt a problem. Im just not sure if its some sort of rip off/scam
>
>

pre sales like this are ok
Pre-sale listings are those that describe items for sale that are not in the
control or possession of the seller at the time of the listing. These
listings generally consist of items that are sold in advance of a delivery
date to the public.

eBay permits pre-sale listings only on a limited basis. The seller must
guarantee that the item will be available for dispatch within 30 days from
the date of purchase (i.e., the day the listing ends or the date the item is
purchased from a shop front listing). The seller must also clearly indicate
within the listing the fact that the item is a pre-sale item with a delivery
date that indicates the item will be dispatched by the 30th day from the end
date of the listing. Additionally, this text must be no less than the
default font size of the eBay Sell-Your-Item form. Currently, the default
font size is HTML font size 3

mind you it stll could be a scam but on the face of it it looks ok


The Older Gentleman

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Jun 17, 2006, 1:48:17 PM6/17/06
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Boots <spa...@hotmail.com> wrote:

The domain doesn't fly as a website. The email addie
sa...@trademac.com.uk forwards to playoffroad.com - site under
construction.

What makes me suspicious is that all this seller seems to sell is tools,
garden tools, garden equipment etc.

It's either a hijacked account or some Jack the Lad who's just been
offered a cheap containerload of bikes from China. In which case
after-sales service and parts availability will be zero.

I'd avoid it like the plague.


--
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GAGARPHOF#30 GHPOTHUF#1 BOTAFOT#60 ANORAK#06 YTC#3
BOF#30 WUSS#5 The bells, the bells.....

Dr Zoidberg

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Jun 17, 2006, 1:54:20 PM6/17/06
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The Older Gentleman wrote:
> Boots <spa...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I am interested in this motorbike but something doesnt ring true.
>> What do you lot on here think? Also isnt against reules to sell
>> something you dont have in stock?
>>
>> Thanks for any advice
>
> The domain doesn't fly as a website. The email addie
> sa...@trademac.com.uk forwards to playoffroad.com - site under
> construction.

Which does suggest bikes and quads etc.

> What makes me suspicious is that all this seller seems to sell is
> tools, garden tools, garden equipment etc.

So they have a history of buying from wholesalers....


>
> It's either a hijacked account or some Jack the Lad who's just been
> offered a cheap containerload of bikes from China. In which case
> after-sales service and parts availability will be zero.
>
> I'd avoid it like the plague.

I'm inclined to agree.
Even for a far eastern cheapie it does seem suspiciously low priced which
says either scam or utter shite.
That said , it doesn't look that bad for a honda clone. I can see why they
appeal to buyers.
--
Alex

Piece by piece the penguins have taken my sanity
www.drzoidberg.co.uk www.ebayfaq.co.uk


The Older Gentleman

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Jun 17, 2006, 2:00:31 PM6/17/06
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Funfly3 <donte...@ntlworld.com> wrote:

> mind you it stll could be a scam but on the face of it it looks ok

No, it looks shite.

S S

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Jun 17, 2006, 2:39:38 PM6/17/06
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"Dr Zoidberg" <AlexNOOOO!!!!!!!@drzoidberg.co.uk> wrote in message
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If everything about the auction is legit, what about the warranty would this
be valid in this country it being an import? I would suspect that if there
is a warranty then if you do the `build` then you can throw it in the
bucket. Also where would your nearest dealer be?check it out with them. On
the subject of spare parts they may well be the same parts but often they
number them differently for different countries so making them almost
impossible to order. Is the speedo in MPH or KPH? Is the headlamp set up
for UK roads?
>
>


Mike Hall

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Jun 17, 2006, 3:18:59 PM6/17/06
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Funfly3 wrote:

> mind you it stll could be a scam but on the face of it it looks ok

It's worth a visit to Bristol. If they look legit, it's a very good bargain
and it's worth buying in bulk. Otherwise, you've avoided being scammed.


Mike Hall


Mad Ad

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Jun 17, 2006, 4:23:45 PM6/17/06
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"S S" <nons...@Hotmail.co.uk> wrote in message
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My questions to him would be how much additional work, if any, is needed to
comply with UK dvla regulations, he just says "
Our registration will guide will also provide you with all the information
you need to get your bike on the road."

so there might or might not be anything extra to add....also I would ask
about " All deposits are strictly non-refundable unless requested within 7
days of the auction end date" and enquire if that includes problems at his
end like his supplier steals his money or sends him dvd players instead,
warranty as mentioned, how much, on what etc.....

or of course you could save him on my ebay, wait till he sells some and get
some feedback from the other buyers?

Ad

v

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Jun 17, 2006, 4:27:48 PM6/17/06
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On Sat, 17 Jun 2006 18:48:17 +0100,
chateau.mur...@dsl.pipex.com (The Older Gentleman) wrote:

>Boots <spa...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I am interested in this motorbike but something doesnt ring true. What do
>> you lot on here think? Also isnt against reules to sell something you dont
>> have in stock?
>>
>> Thanks for any advice
>
>The domain doesn't fly as a website. The email addie
>sa...@trademac.com.uk forwards to playoffroad.com - site under
>construction.
>
>What makes me suspicious is that all this seller seems to sell is tools,
>garden tools, garden equipment etc.
>

He might seem to you to seem to sell only tools etc but in your hurry
you must have missed :
Item Number : 8048492140
Apache / GY Spares - Clutch Lever - 125/150/200cc and similar from
March this year.
We carry a vast range of spares for our very own Apache 125, 150 and
200cc scrambler, but if you cannot find the part you require then
please let us know.

TEL: 0700 599 3749 (Monday - Friday 9am - 5pm)

Frank Booth Snr

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Jun 17, 2006, 5:53:01 PM6/17/06
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It might be a hi-hacked account. You need to contact the seller (get his
contact details from ebay), or go view the bike as offered in the advert
just to be sure. Normally, if it looks too good to be true, then it
probably is.

Nige

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Jun 17, 2006, 6:09:39 PM6/17/06
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Alex. i'm after a bike like this & it seems decent money (I'm a tight Yorkie OK!!) What really gives?

I'm good with a spanner etc. How much would insurance be for a 38 year olod with full ncb (car) & no
points?

Ta

nige

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Range Rover 4.6 HSE (The Tank!)

We might be going on a summer holiday, the Greece Ball rally!!!!


Dr Zoidberg

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Jun 17, 2006, 6:23:59 PM6/17/06
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Nige wrote:
> Alex. i'm after a bike like this & it seems decent money (I'm a tight
> Yorkie OK!!) What really gives?

Assuming it's not a scam , warranty will be non-existant , parts made from
unobtanium and suspect build quality.

A two or three year old japanese bike would be a much better buy.

> I'm good with a spanner etc.

They are dead easy to service yourself

> How much would insurance be for a 38
> year olod with full ncb (car) & no points?

Not much at all.
The car NCB won't help but the clean licence will.
Try a quote here on something like a Honda XR125
https://quotes.bennetts.co.uk/src/default.asp?SRC=161855699

The Older Gentleman

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Jun 17, 2006, 7:27:39 PM6/17/06
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v <ang...@toutHYPHENdroit.co.uk> wrote:

> He might seem to you to seem to sell only tools etc but in your hurry
> you must have missed :
> Item Number : 8048492140
> Apache / GY Spares - Clutch Lever - 125/150/200cc and similar from
> March this year.
> We carry a vast range of spares for our very own Apache 125, 150 and
> 200cc scrambler, but if you cannot find the part you require then
> please let us know.
>
> TEL: 0700 599 3749 (Monday - Friday 9am - 5pm)

Ah, fair enough, I did log more than a dozen items, and didn't see that.

I'd still avoid it, mind.

The Older Gentleman

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Jun 17, 2006, 7:27:39 PM6/17/06
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Mike Hall <tar...@spam3block.yahoo.com> wrote:

> If they look legit, it's a very good bargain
> and it's worth buying in bulk.

No, it's not.

Nige

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Jun 18, 2006, 4:51:33 AM6/18/06
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Dr Zoidberg wrote:
> Nige wrote:
>> Alex. i'm after a bike like this & it seems decent money (I'm a tight
>> Yorkie OK!!) What really gives?
>
> Assuming it's not a scam , warranty will be non-existant , parts made from
> unobtanium and suspect build quality.
>
> A two or three year old japanese bike would be a much better buy.
>
>> I'm good with a spanner etc.
>
> They are dead easy to service yourself
>
>> How much would insurance be for a 38
>> year olod with full ncb (car) & no points?
>
> Not much at all.
> The car NCB won't help but the clean licence will.
> Try a quote here on something like a Honda XR125
> https://quotes.bennetts.co.uk/src/default.asp?SRC=161855699


Cheers matey!

Nige

Peter Parry

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Jun 18, 2006, 8:30:59 AM6/18/06
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On Sat, 17 Jun 2006 18:15:57 +0100, "Boots" <spa...@hotmail.com>
wrote:

>I am interested in this motorbike but something doesnt ring true. What do
>you lot on here think? Also isnt against reules to sell something you dont
>have in stock?

The seller has no idea of his responsibilities. The deposit cannot
be non-refundable as you have the right to repudiate the contract
under the DSR's.

The same bike was sold by "playoffroad", apparently the same
organisation but which ceased to be active on eBay the day Trade-mac
started. All in all 4 names have been used by the seller, they seem
to be changed each year for some reason.

trade-mac 23-Mar-06 to Present
playoffroad 05-Feb-05 to 23-Mar-06
mac-motorcycles 22-Feb-04 to 05-Feb-05
killbill74 13-Dec-03 to 22-Feb-04

PLAY OFF ROAD LTD
1 ST ANNES ROAD
ST GEORGE
BRISTOL
BS5 8RB
Company No. 05416053
appears to have filed no accounts with Companies House and the 2006
ones are overdue.

Trademac Ltd shares the same address.

The manufacturer is given as "P.O.R" which is, perhaps
co-incidentally, the initials of PlayOffRoad. I can find no
manufacturer of motorcycles by that name using Google or, and more
importantly, motorcycle insurance company manufacturers lists.

If the engine is, as claimed, "an exact Honda replica engine" then I
would have thought there may be some patent and copyright issues
which Honda would be interested in if they were made aware of them.

--
Peter Parry.
http://www.wpp.ltd.uk/

Boots

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Jun 18, 2006, 9:03:20 AM6/18/06
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"Peter Parry" <pe...@wpp.ltd.uk> wrote in message
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Ebike insurance have this bike listed.


Message has been deleted

The Older Gentleman

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Jun 19, 2006, 2:31:38 AM6/19/06
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Spacker <spa...@cuntybollocks.cum> wrote:

> "S S" <nons...@Hotmail.co.uk> wrote in message
>

> >Is the headlamp set up
> >for UK roads?
>

> How do headlamps for UK roads differ from headlamps for other roads?

Depends if the bike's an import from another country, where the dip beam
is set up to dip to the 'wrong' side.

Steve Walker

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Jun 19, 2006, 9:55:23 AM6/19/06
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Dr Zoidberg wrote:
> parts made from unobtanium

ROFLMAO - Pinched & filed for future use!


Grimly Curmudgeon

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Jun 21, 2006, 1:09:05 PM6/21/06
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We were somewhere around Barstow, on the edge of the desert, when the
drugs began to take hold. I remember Spacker <spa...@cuntybollocks.cum>
saying something like:

>>Is the headlamp set up
>>for UK roads?
>

>How do headlamps for UK roads differ from headlamps for other roads?

It's left-handed and right-handed spin on the photons, filtered out by
the headlamp glass according to what country you're riding in. Also
affected by the direction of filament winding in the bulb, which is why
you must only fit the OEM bulb at horrendous cost and not a Halfords
cheapy.

Parts are very hard to get for these cheap imports. You just try asking
them for a photon filter glass or left-hand H4 bulb and they'll laugh at
you.
--

Dave

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