PA stretch problem
Michael Rozdoba
autostretched; only one or two caused any discomfort.
Recently I tried to go to 8mm & failed so I opted for 7mm which while
tight caused no discomfort even.
After only a week I tried 8mm & it went in with some minimal pain - bear
in mind I'm a wuss, so it can't have been that bad.
Immediately after insertion it wouldn't turn without lube & a similar
level of pain.
I expected the tenderness to gradually decrease, but instead over three
days it's got more painful. Today I noticed a slight odourless white
discharge & going for a pee burned for the first time this morning. The
ring however will now gently turn without lube.
I just wanted to check this doesn't indicate my dick is about to drop
off - that's one body mod too far for me.
I /think/ this has probably just been more than my body wanted to cope
with at once & it's responded by rapidly growing new skin, leaving
sensitive open new flesh & the old skin cells sloughing off at an
accelerated rate, but I thought I should check.
I intend treating it as a new piercing with salt water soaks & making
sure I drink plenty of fluids. If anyone reckons I ought to do something
else or drop back to 7mm, please advise.
I'm a little concerned as the ring is obviously more heavy which makes
the potential for self damage greater than before while it's tender
(surgical steel, 8mmx15mm with 10mm ball). Also at 8mm thick it occupies
a much greater proportion of the urethra's cross section, potentially
causing a blockage (though prior to this problem I had thought it would
be fine - it's not as though it stops me peeing).
Thanks for any reassuring comments or warnings of impending doom.
--
Michael
m r o z a t u k g a t e w a y d o t n e t
Kavin...@gmail.com
Michael Rozdoba wrote:
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Try using Ti jewelry. You won't have the weight, but you also might
avoid the scar tissue that people can develop with SS.
And by the way, if it hurts to stretch (not just a bit of tightness)
then you shouldn't be forcing it. You probably have a new piercing
now. Self-inflicted. Did you use a taper?
Or perhaps your dick will fall off.
Kavin
Rusty
I took my PA to 8mm about 5 or 6 years ago and it was equally as
uncomfortable. After a few days I downsized and the hole didn't shrink.
I very rarely wear any jewelery in my PA these days and it's still at a good
5mm.
IMHO, chances are you're better off downsizing to 7mm and keeping up with
the salt soaks, etc until it feels comfortable again. Then try
re-stretching.
Good luck! :o)
Rusty.
Michael Rozdoba
> Michael Rozdoba wrote:
> <snipped about PA Stretch>
>
> Try using Ti jewelry. You won't have the weight, but you also might
> avoid the scar tissue that people can develop with SS.
Thanks for the suggestion. I might give it a try. Generally I avoid Ti
as my wife's has a bad reaction to it (from a tongue bar) while both of
us have been fine with SS.
> And by the way, if it hurts to stretch (not just a bit of tightness)
> then you shouldn't be forcing it.
I've not heard that said before - & a few years ago I lurked around here
for about a year.
> You probably have a new piercing
> now.
That's how it seems.
> Self-inflicted. Did you use a taper?
Yes: a small diameter acrylic one; I was too mean to pick up another SS
crescent (I've got one that goes to 6.4mm).
What surprised me was no pain for three days, then this.
> Or perhaps your dick will fall off.
If it does I'll post the URL for some pics. Cheers,
Michael Rozdoba
> <snip>
>
> I took my PA to 8mm about 5 or 6 years ago and it was equally as
> uncomfortable. After a few days I downsized and the hole didn't shrink.
A few people have said that about PAs.
> I very rarely wear any jewelery in my PA these days and it's still at a good
> 5mm.
>
> IMHO, chances are you're better off downsizing to 7mm and keeping up with
> the salt soaks, etc until it feels comfortable again. Then try
> re-stretching.
I'll probably go with that option tomorrow if it doesn't feel any
better, though so far I think this morning was the worst, pain wise. The
salt soaks certainly help.
> Good luck! :o)
Thanks :)
Kavin...@gmail.com
Michael Rozdoba wrote:
Kavin Taylor wrote:
KT> > Self-inflicted. Did you use a taper?
>
MR> Yes: a small diameter acrylic one; I was too mean to pick up
another SS
MR> crescent (I've got one that goes to 6.4mm).
Acrylic? Okay. Acrylic cannot be autoclaved. Do you see a problem?
Acrylic can also be scratched? See another problem? Your piercer is a
moron if he sells them. Acrylic jewelry is unsafe at best. Did you
know acrylic releases a vapor at skin temperature that has been proven
to cause cancer?
>
> What surprised me was no pain for three days, then this.
My 0 gauge tragus didn't hurt until the second day. Go figure.
Kavin
Kavin...@gmail.com
Michael Rozdoba wrote:
> Kavin...@gmail.com wrote:
kt> > Try using Ti jewelry. You won't have the weight, but you also
might
kt> > avoid the scar tissue that people can develop with SS.
>
> Thanks for the suggestion. I might give it a try. Generally I avoid Ti
> as my wife's has a bad reaction to it (from a tongue bar) while both of
> us have been fine with SS.
Do you know how rare a Ti allergy is? Not saying she isn't allergic,
but I would check out otherr causes. I know the EU has made great
strides in the nickel-free area, but nickel free does still allow for
nickel.
There are so far very few truly implant grade materials used in body
jewelry: paltinum, titatnium and some glass. Therre is still argument
on SS.
And studies do show scar tissue formation with SS jewelry.
And by the way, if you are using a captive bead ring, that could be
slowing your healing as well. Try a curved barbell. Ring for Play if
you wish, but for healing ANY piercing, not a good idea.
Kavin
Michael Rozdoba
> Michael Rozdoba wrote: Kavin Taylor wrote:
>
> KT> > Self-inflicted. Did you use a taper? MR> Yes: a small diameter
> acrylic one; I was too mean to pick up another SS MR> crescent (I've
> got one that goes to 6.4mm).
>
> Acrylic? Okay. Acrylic cannot be autoclaved. Do you see a problem?
> Acrylic can also be scratched? See another problem?
They'll be one use only, but point taken.
> Your piercer is a moron if he sells them.
Ebay shop.
> Acrylic jewelry is unsafe at best. Did you know acrylic releases a
> vapor at skin temperature that has been proven to cause cancer?
Nope, I didn't. Interesting.
>> What surprised me was no pain for three days, then this.
>
> My 0 gauge tragus didn't hurt until the second day. Go figure.
Quite.
Thanks for the info.
> Do you know how rare a Ti allergy is? Not saying she isn't allergic,
> but I would check out otherr causes.
She got rid of the bar & the problem went away. It could of course have
been down to some other aspect of the bar.
> I know the EU has made great strides in the nickel-free area, but
> nickel free does still allow for nickel.
>
> There are so far very few truly implant grade materials used in body
> jewelry: paltinum, titatnium and some glass. Therre is still
> argument on SS.
>
> And studies do show scar tissue formation with SS jewelry.
Any references? I like to be informed before I do something inadvisable.
> And by the way, if you are using a captive bead ring,
Yup.
> that could be slowing your healing as well. Try a curved barbell.
> Ring for Play if you wish, but for healing ANY piercing, not a good
> idea.
I've read a few reports saying that & some the opposite. What's the
argument against?
Kavin...@gmail.com
KT> > And by the way, if you are using a captive bead ring,
>
MR> Yup.
>
KT> > that could be slowing your healing as well. Try a curved
barbell.
KT> > Ring for Play if you wish, but for healing ANY piercing, not a
good
KT> > idea.
>
> I've read a few reports saying that & some the opposite. What's the
> argument against?
I'd love to know about the people who think having the "crusties"
pulled into a healing is a good thing -- because that is what a ring
tends to do. You are prolonging the healing.
Kavin
Michael Rozdoba
> I'd love to know about the people who think having the "crusties"
> pulled into a healing is a good thing -- because that is what a ring
> tends to do. You are prolonging the healing.
Ah, point taken. Though IME if one doesn't turn the ring manually, it
won't turn by itself unless it's particularly unbalanced & even then
(with a PA) careful positioning of the ring in the first instance
ensures this doesn't happen. YMMV.
I don't have experience of other piercings apart from tongue, in which
I've never worn a ring.
AJ
Michael Rozdoba wrote:
> I expected the tenderness to gradually decrease, but instead over three
> days it's got more painful. Today I noticed a slight odourless white
> discharge & going for a pee burned for the first time this morning. The
> ring however will now gently turn without lube.
>
> I just wanted to check this doesn't indicate my dick is about to drop
> off - that's one body mod too far for me.
IMO I doubt anything's going to fall off, and that it will settle down
with salt soaks... if it's still the same after a week, downsize, and
you should be fine..
It could also be jewelery, as I've found different styles react
differently... tray a PA bar, and it may help.
AJ
Kavin...@gmail.com
KT> > pulled into a healing is a good thing -- because that is what a
ring
KT> > tends to do. You are prolonging the healing.
>
MR> Ah, point taken. Though IME if one doesn't turn the ring manually,
it
MR> won't turn by itself unless it's particularly unbalanced
I don't know where you get that idea from. Rings turn. Period. By
themselves. With help. Without help. I've healed PAs with both rings
and barbell. Barbells rule. (First PA was made into an AP. Then did a
second PA).
MR> & even then
MR> (with a PA) careful positioning of the ring in the first instance
MR> ensures this doesn't happen. YMMV.
Again, I have no idea where you get that. And besides, aren't you the
one who's had the problem stretching his PA? Maybe you shouldn't rely
on your own ideas for a while.
>
MR> I don't have experience of other piercings apart from tongue, in
which
MR> I've never worn a ring.
Yeah, well I've worn rings in almost all of my over 40 piercings. Most
are now barbells. Wonder why.
Kavin
Michael Rozdoba
> IMO I doubt anything's going to fall off, and that it will settle down
> with salt soaks... if it's still the same after a week, downsize, and
> you should be fine..
Seems to be settling down.
> It could also be jewelery, as I've found different styles react
> differently... tray a PA bar, and it may help.
The weight of an 8mm BCR isn't helping, but it is improving, so I'm not
too worried. Cheers for the suggestions :)
Michael Rozdoba
> Michael Rozdoba wrote:
>> Kavin...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
> KT> > I'd love to know about the people who think having the "crusties"
> KT> > pulled into a healing is a good thing -- because that is what a
> ring
> KT> > tends to do. You are prolonging the healing.
> MR> Ah, point taken. Though IME if one doesn't turn the ring manually,
> it
> MR> won't turn by itself unless it's particularly unbalanced
>
> I don't know where you get that idea from. Rings turn. Period. By
> themselves. With help. Without help. I've healed PAs with both rings
> and barbell. Barbells rule. (First PA was made into an AP. Then did a
> second PA).
I'm after something lighter in the short term than an 8x15 steel bcr, to
aid healing. Any idea where I can find a Ti curved barbell at 8mm
thickness? A search of four shops I've used before & ebay hasn't turned
anything in that gauge up.
> MR> & even then
> MR> (with a PA) careful positioning of the ring in the first instance
> MR> ensures this doesn't happen. YMMV.
>
> Again, I have no idea where you get that. And besides, aren't you the
> one who's had the problem stretching his PA? Maybe you shouldn't rely
> on your own ideas for a while.
I still trust my own observational skills. My only shortcoming in this
context is experience. Thanks for the advice though; I'm sure it's well
meant.
> MR> I don't have experience of other piercings apart from tongue, in
> which
> MR> I've never worn a ring.
>
> Yeah, well I've worn rings in almost all of my over 40 piercings. Most
> are now barbells. Wonder why.
--
Kavin...@gmail.com
Michael Rozdoba wrote:
> I'm after something lighter in the short term than an 8x15 steel bcr, to
> aid healing. Any idea where I can find a Ti curved barbell at 8mm
> thickness?
Anatometal.
Kavin
Michael Rozdoba
Thanks. Do you have an url?
http://www.anatometal.com/ describes itself as a placeholder & also that
they're a wholesalers. For retail it advises http://www.bmeshop.com/ but
they don't list curved barbells under their Ti products:
http://www.bmeshop.com/ProductCart/pc/viewCat_h.asp?idCategory=17
Even their steel curved barbells only go up to 2ga.
AJ
>
> http://www.anatometal.com/ describes itself as a placeholder & also that
> they're a wholesalers. For retail it advises http://www.bmeshop.com/ but
> they don't list curved barbells under their Ti products:
> http://www.bmeshop.com/ProductCart/pc/viewCat_h.asp?idCategory=17
> Even their steel curved barbells only go up to 2ga.
>
give Breed316 a call (http://www.breed316.co.uk) -always found them to
be helpful for custom jewelery in the past, although it's been found you
get better service if you call than if you order online.
AJ
Kavin...@gmail.com
Michael Rozdoba wrote:
Try piercing.org. Breed 316 is probabably a steel shop.
And what about your piercing shop? Really, if they can't get Ti in 0
gauge, they are lame. Not to be rude (really), but is this an EU
thing? My piercer (here in the US) can order any size in Ti. And it
isn't that expensive.
Kavin
Michael Rozdoba
As you advised, re a chunk ring recently, I have ordered from them &
been reasonably satisfied. However as the Ti curved barbell is to help
with healing an existing piercing, I really wanted something promptly
which would rule out custom.
Michael Rozdoba
A US location would make it difficult to get my hands on an item
quickly, but I'll take a look. Thanks.
> Breed 316 is probabably a steel shop.
Not exclusively, but...
> And what about your piercing shop? Really, if they can't get Ti in 0
> gauge, they are lame. Not to be rude (really), but is this an EU
> thing?
...perhaps that is the case. It seems to be harder to find Ti jewellery
here, certainly in larger gauges. Equally though, there seems less
concern about suitability of 316L steel.
> My piercer (here in the US) can order any size in Ti. And it
> isn't that expensive.
I'd welcome info re a UK supplier, if such exists.
Michael Rozdoba
Not for me they don't - I now have personal experience. They might be a
good idea for a PA when at narrow gauge or if one is circumcised, but
otherwise, forget it. Foreskin, a 12mm ball (on an 8x19mm SS curved
barbell) & an open wound don't make a good combination. I wore the
barbell for only 48 hours & have probably increased the healing time by
one to two weeks.
I reckon if I'd worn if for a week, aside from a lot of discomfort &
some bleeding, I'd have ended up with a PA at 12mm :-/