Flaming Apadravya FAQs
Stroller
thought I'd ask some questions about serious genital piercings. I suspect
these are FAQs, so flame me, but I checked the RAB FAQ for the spelling of
apadravya, at least, and what I'm really after is some personal input. After
all, that FAQ says "Initial jewelry: Barbells in 12 to 10 gauge" - what's
that in millimetres...? [Yes, I know - look elsewhere in the FAQ]
So I guess first on my list is: if I change my PA for on ap., will I be able
to piss normally again...?
Gauges: what gauge is this normally pierced at & how much can I stretch
it...? The idea of some outrageous gauge like 10mm rather appeals, but I'm
not that well endowed & this would be quite a significant hole when not
erect.
Could I damage the tissue by too much stretching..? It's not that I'm
tempted to stretch too quickly, I'm just wondering how big a gauge I could
go to.
Finally how easy is stretching...? Just about every time I stretched my PA,
the jewellery just popped in - no problems. Well, the last time (5mm) it was
a bit tight at first, but really no drama. Is stretching an ap likely to be
as easy..?
Cheers for your time,
Stroller.
Smeg
Stroller <stro...@cunningspamdefence.bigfoot.com> writes
>Frustrated at my PA & my tendency to piss on my foot & down my jeans, I
>thought I'd ask some questions about serious genital piercings. I suspect
>these are FAQs, so flame me, but I checked the RAB FAQ for the spelling of
>apadravya, at least, and what I'm really after is some personal input. After
>all, that FAQ says "Initial jewelry: Barbells in 12 to 10 gauge" - what's
>that in millimetres...? [Yes, I know - look elsewhere in the FAQ]
>
14 guage is 1.6mm
12g is 2mm
10g = 2.4mm
8g = 3.2mm
etc etc
Linked from the UPB site is the following page, very handy in changing
American sizes into UK, even does diameters from inches into mm's :
http://www.cf.ac.uk/psych/stevensonwc/bodyart/gauge.html
can't help you with the rest though, sorry, checked BME?
Smeg
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Stroller
"Smeg" <smeg...@bigfoot.com> wrote in message
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> In article <13yT4.1291$m%1.3...@news6-win.server.ntlworld.com>,
> Stroller <stro...@cunningspamdefence.bigfoot.com> writes
> >that in millimetres...? [Yes, I know - look elsewhere in the FAQ]
> >
>
> 14 guage is 1.6mm
> 12g is 2mm
> 10g = 2.4mm
> 8g = 3.2mm
>
> etc etc
Many thanks.
> can't help you with the rest though, sorry, checked BME?
No, I thought I'd try my friends here first.
Stroller.
Smeg
<stro...@cunningspamdefence.bigfoot.com> writes
>> 12g is 2mm
>> 10g = 2.4mm
>> 8g = 3.2mm
>>
>> etc etc
>
>Many thanks.
>
yer welcome
>> can't help you with the rest though, sorry, checked BME?
>
>No, I thought I'd try my friends here first.
come on guys, some of you have more than a PA, I know that :)
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Clive
Stroller wrote:
>
> Frustrated at my PA & my tendency to piss on my foot & down my jeans,
> [snip] FAQ says "Initial jewelry: Barbells in 12 to 10 gauge" -
> what's that in millimetres...? [snip]
12ga 2.0 mm
10ga 2.4 mm
8ga 3.2 mm
6ga 4.0 mm
4ga 5.0 mm
After 4ga there are no direct close comparisons. Gauges do their own
thing, metric increments in 1.0 mm steps.
> [snip] if I change my PA for on ap., will I
> be able to piss normally again...?
No. Conversion to an Apa means that you will have a smaller BB rattling
around in your ex-PA, even more room for leakage. In my experience there
was no noticeable shrinkage of the PA hole (in over a year). My Apa is
now at the same gauge as the last PA jewellery (3.2 mm). I still leak.
*If* I stretch further, Apa jewellery may possibly seal PA hole, but I
suspect the same stretching of the PA hole will then re-occur.
> Gauges: what gauge is this normally pierced at
2.0 mm is generally regarded as the minimum, and also the most common
initial gauge (2.4 on request).
>& how much can I stretch it...? [snip]
I have no idea.
> like 10mm [snip] this would be quite a significant hole when not erect.
It's an even more significant hole when you are not erect.
> Could I damage the tissue by too much stretching..? [snip]
Bert (RAB) removed his Apa because of scar tissue, iirc.
You would probably extensively remodel your glans once you get into
larger gauges, and you may have a problem ejaculating/urinating past the
blockage when erect. But this is also true of a PA.
> Finally how easy is stretching...? [snip] I stretched my PA, the
> jewellery just popped in [snip] (5mm) it was a bit tight at first
> [snip] stretching an ap likely to be as easy..?
1. Drama, pain, cursing, tight, tough, beware scar tissue, slowly does
it. My piercer warned me. My jewellery supplier warned me.
2. I converted my 3.2 mm PA to a 2.0 mm Apa about a year ago.
a) I stretched my Apa from 2.0 mm to 2.4 mm about 6 weeks ago, using an
improvised taper.
b) Yesterday I stretched my Apa from 2.4 mm to 3.2 mm, using a proper
taper, which was also used to insert/guide the jewellery.
c) Both times stretching took over an hour, most of which was spent in a
foetal position, cursing. Even once stretched, inserting the jewellery
took multiple attempts to get through, and then to thread into the
second hidden entrance hole. For a couple of days after the first
stretch I was in pain and the jewellery was solidly immovable - it looks
like its going to be the same this time as well.
3. So, it would appear that both my piercer and jewellery supplier are
essentially correct.
a) From 2.0 mm to 4.0 mm, I doubt if you can even think about skipping
gauges. After that unknown.
b) It first needs gradual/slow stretching with a taper - I doubt if you
can simply insert jewellery.
c) Then, even once fully stretched, getting the jewellery blind through
the second layer of tissue needs practice/patience/luck/dexterity
/technique.
4. For comparison, also done yesterday ...
a) Stretched my Amp from 2.0 mm to 2.4 mm using a proper taper, and will
re-attempt 3.2 mm when everything is settled. Minimal drama, but 2.0 mm
to 3.2 mm in one go was simply not even possible.
b) Yesterday, with proper taper, also tongue from 2.0 mm to 3.2 mm. No
drama whatsoever.
5. YMMV, but I somehow doubt it.
--
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Stroller
"Clive" <mail...@bigfoot.com> wrote in message
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>
>
> Stroller wrote:
> >
> > [snip] if I change my PA for on ap., will I
> > be able to piss normally again...?
>
> No. Conversion to an Apa means that you will have a smaller BB rattling
> around in your ex-PA, even more room for leakage.
Arrrgg...! Damnit...!
> In my experience there
> was no noticeable shrinkage of the PA hole (in over a year).
This is quite unusual, isn't it..? Did you have your PA a long time...? I'm
sure I recall reading on here about one of the lads having his jewellery
removed in hospital after an m/c accident & going down a couple of gauges
overnight.
> My Apa is
> now at the same gauge as the last PA jewellery (3.2 mm). I still leak.
That's really not what I wanted to hear
> *If* I stretch further, Apa jewellery may possibly seal PA hole, but I
> suspect the same stretching of the PA hole will then re-occur.
But isn't a lot of the leakage from the PA due to having the ring poking out
of your hole...?
> 2.0 mm is generally regarded as the minimum, and also the most common
> initial gauge (2.4 on request).
Well, I think I'd go with the 2.4, then.
> > like 10mm [snip] this would be quite a significant hole when not erect.
>
> It's an even more significant hole when you are not erect.
Errrrmmm. Any chance you could clarify.
> > Could I damage the tissue by too much stretching..? [snip]
>
> Bert (RAB) removed his Apa because of scar tissue, iirc.
I used to know a guy who'd had to have calluses (as he described them)
removed down there. These were reportedly between the apa & the ampa, at
least one of which he'd stretched quite quickly; he said that the damage was
caused (or at least exacerbated) by exercise.
> You would probably extensively remodel your glans once you get into
> larger gauges...
Hoooray...! I'll have two, please..!
>, and you may have a problem ejaculating/urinating past the
> blockage when erect....
This did occur to me. I guess it'd be possible to drill some holes
(laterally..?) through the jewellery to permit liquids to flow, but you'd
need to go to a machinist, placement would be difficult to judge, they'd
have to be reasonably large to avoid getting blocked with dirt and they'd
still need cleaning.
> > Finally how easy is stretching...? [snip] I stretched my PA, the
> > jewellery just popped in [snip] (5mm) it was a bit tight at first
> > [snip] stretching an ap likely to be as easy..?
>
> 1. Drama, pain, cursing, tight, tough, beware scar tissue, slowly does
> it. My piercer warned me. My jewellery supplier warned me.
>
....
> c) Both times stretching took over an hour, most of which was spent in a
> foetal position, cursing. ...
Again, that was not what I wanted to hear. Having said that, how easily did
your PA stretch previously...? I'm hoping there's a correlation here, as
some people have loads of problems with that, too.
> 5. YMMV, but I somehow doubt it.
No, no, ouch, ouch.
Stroller.
Clive
Apologies that this was not posted earlier, but a six hour tattoo
session got in the way - http://www.clive.20m.com
Stroller wrote:
>
> [snip]
> I recall reading on here about one of the lads having his jewellery
> removed in hospital after an m/c accident & going down a couple of
> gauges overnight.
YMMV. But I still wouldn't bank on the hole closing enough to seal,
otherwise simply removing the PA jewellery for a short time, then
re-inserting it, would cure the leak.
> But isn't a lot of the leakage from the PA due to having the ring
> poking out of your hole...?
The usual explanation is that the urine follows the curve of the
jewellery, so it's spray rather then leakage.
But PAs often/usually (always?) stretch by themselves due to daily
stress, so eventually you do drip, then you squirt. Then you upsize.
Then you repeat.
> [snip] like 10mm
> Errrrmmm. Any chance you could clarify.
If you think you have a large hole:glans ratio when erect, you are
probably going to be surprised by the hole:glans ratio when flaccid.
> [snip] were reportedly between the apa & the ampa,
> at least one of which he'd stretched quite quickly; he said that the
> damage was caused (or at least exacerbated) by exercise.
I think I may be about to find out.
> [snip]
> holes (laterally..?) through the jewellery to permit
> liquids to flow
Shouldn't be necessary, the liquids should get past - but when erect the
seal may be noticeably firmer. Ditto PA.
> [snip]
> how easily did your PA stretch previously...? I'm hoping there's a
> correlation here, as some people have loads of problems with
> that, too.
PA stretching (at 5/6 weeks, using a stretching crescent) was painful,
but then this was deliberate - stretch as far as possible, pain
threshold being the limiting factor, then measure and insert suitable
jewellery. 2.0 mm to 3.2 mm in a single stretch on a fresh piercing. So,
yes, it hurt.
The Apa has been confined to single standard gauge size increments, no
deliberate pushing of the pain threshold. 2.0 mm to 2.4 mm (minor
discomfort), then to 3.2 mm (almost piercing/healing happiness all over
again).
An Apa is two piercings, a PA and a reverse PA, aligned so that a single
piece of jewellery can be worn. You aren't loosing a piercing, you are
gaining an ADDITIONAL piercing when you convert a PA to an Apa.
a) The PA goes through a few millimetres of flesh. The tunnel is
minimal. The lack of support encourages natural stretching.
b) The reverse PA portion goes through a centimetre or more of flesh.
Long, well buttressed/supported flesh tunnel. It resists stretching.
c) I wouldn't be to quick to compare a PA to a reverse PA.
--
Clive Olivier
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Stroller
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>
> > [snip] like 10mm
> > Errrrmmm. Any chance you could clarify.
>
> If you think you have a large hole:glans ratio when erect, you are
> probably going to be surprised by the hole:glans ratio when flaccid.
Well, in my original posting I said "that'd be a damn big hole when not
erect," and you replied "well, if you think that'd be a big hole, imagine
how damn big it'd be when you weren't erect."
So I think we both know that it'd be a big hole in that situation - which is
one reason why I think it'd be cool - I was just horsing around when I said
"Errrrmmm. Any chance you could clarify", to get yoy to reread the whole
thread.
> > [snip] were reportedly between the apa & the ampa,
> > at least one of which he'd stretched quite quickly; he said that the
> > damage was caused (or at least exacerbated) by exercise.
>
> I think I may be about to find out.
Oh..! Let us know how you get on. You have both, then, I presume..?
> > [snip]
> > how easily did your PA stretch previously...? I'm hoping there's a
> > correlation here, as some people have loads of problems with
> > that, too.
>
> PA stretching (at 5/6 weeks, using a stretching crescent) was painful,
> but then this was deliberate - stretch as far as possible, pain
> threshold being the limiting factor, then measure and insert suitable
> jewellery. 2.0 mm to 3.2 mm in a single stretch on a fresh piercing. So,
> yes, it hurt...
So you are a bit more aggressive in your stretching than I am. Well, I'm
tempted to try, but I'd be interested to hear from anyone else how large
people have gone with stretching an ap & how large it might be *comfortable*
to go.
Cheers,
Stroller.
Stroller
"Dick, England" <rc...@NoSpam.cableol.co.uk> wrote in message
news:%wOV4.3230$283....@news6-win.server.ntlworld.com...> >> Frustrated at my tendency to piss on my foot {snip}
> >> Could I damage the tissue by too much stretching?
>
> >Bert (RAB) removed his Apa because of scar tissue, iirc.
>
> were avoidable incidents.
>
> Stretching *will* take a certain toll of tissue. It has to. Tissues
> can't just leap out of the way when they see a pierce coming! Much of
> it simply dies in place, and is chucked or re-absorbed - there's
> nothing else available once tissue's past it's elastic limit. Too
> much, & too quick = more scarring. Scar tissue is weak.
So once the scar tissue is chucked or re-absorbed, the pierce can be judged
to be healed, surely...? It might take a while - but I don't think you're
debating that stretching an ap is fine, as long as you use common sense &
leave time between stretches...?
> >> Finally how easy is stretching...? [snip]
>
> >Drama, pain, cursing, tight, tough, beware scar tissue, slowly
> >does it. My piercer warned me. My jewellery supplier warned me.
>
> Absolutely. Only a nut would select scar-tissue for stretching. The
> best tip by far is to avoid trauma.
So hopefully, back to the original thread: apadravyas are somewhat
stretchable - Clive has done two, in total from 2mm to 3.2mm - anyone got
any idea exactly how much..? I'm sure my fantasy 10mm gauge is unrealistic,
but I'm sure I've met people with 5mm or 6mm...?
Stroller.