A response to Alan Truelove on the issue of race
boostmeup900
Genetically based IQ deficit? Please present your arguments as I would be
intrigued in hearing this opinion which would also give someone of my
standing the right to defend it. The point being that fine, no area is
outside the realms of discussion but the nature in which many of these
issues are discussed do not justify the intellectual merit that you claim
e.g. Big Dons posting.
When I paid for the privilege of joining Mensa I came with the currency of
intellect, not racial victimisation.
Anybody with half a brain will now that intelligence is hard to define and
its development rarely confined to a genetic basis. I am that example. When
I was in school I was considered thick - which I would imagine is consistent
with your archetypal Negro - however, this was as a result of a lack of
education and not paying attention. Like many of my kind, I was pushed into
sports and enjoyed a fairly successful athletics career. I was 14 and
considered to have an IQ of 90.
However, I moved school and soon became friends with an Oriental man from
Hong Kong. He influenced me greatly and instilled in me a hard work ethic.
We set up a timetable as he was on my course and we both sailed through our
GCSE's and A-levels (4 A's).
Last year I graduated with a First from Oxford University in
Physics and took an IQ test which I registered 174. How do you
account for this difference?
Let me offer an explanation. This simply arose due to a change in my
environment and also being introduced to Image-Streaming which has worked no
end. I have done Image streaming every day for 30 minutes for about 3 years
and the IQ gains were phenomenal.
This is a scientifically proven method of increasing IQ thereby adding
weight to the nurture argument. Any IQ researcher worth their salt must
recognise that as the brain is a muscle, it is capable on expansion as well
as contraction by external stimuli. Image streaming metaphorically enables
me to 'body build' my mind. There is also research suggesting that every
full grown normal functioning human being has a potential IQ of well over
300 - I refer you to Project Renaissance and I trust I will not have to
provide you with the URL. It is finding the key to release these hidden
treasures that is the task of mankind.
You may wish to comment on the above.
On a more lighter note, I play on the yahoo chess server and would welcome a
game of chess. I am currently unbeaten in 65 games and await a stiff
challenge. My chess name is BOOSTMEUP and I'm well known around those
circles.
Finally, If I as a black man - I find the term 'Negro' rather deprecating -
can form intelligent discussion what stops others, given they have the same
background. Are you seriously trying to suggest that I am an enigma? I can
assure you I am not!
If any of you wish to e-mail me and put my claimed IQ to the test please
send your messages to boostm...@netscapeonline.co.uk as I am capable of
talking comprehensively on most subjects - my favourite is quantum physics!!
Ps. If we get really friendly, I may even give you the pleasure of speaking
with me : )
Mark Cambell.
----- Original Message -----
From: Alan Truelove <rob...@erols.com>
Newsgroups: uk.org.mensa
Sent: Monday, January 24, 2000 3:35 PM
Subject: Re: Mensa and the assocaition with racist groups
> erm, having read all this thread so far I would like to comment.
> (a) Mensa supposedly has 'no political opinion'. so all kinds of
> viewpoints are appropriate for the 'public' n.g.'s.
> [In practice, the Official British 'List' run by Roger Pfister, only
> carries certain political views, - as does the official Mensa.* groups
> - so you might be more comfortable there]
>
> (b) Mensa being a collection of tested High-IQ people, it is the
> logical focus for discussion of the social implications of the massive
> genetically-based Negro IQ deficit (to take the most important
> example]; including
> ---whether people do, and should , Separate themselves in their living
> and school arangements by Race..
> --Affirmative action
> -- Immigration (whether froma racial point of view or simply numbers)
>
> (c) Contrary to boostmeup's assertion I have seen v little argument on
> these n.g.'s with any content relating to the above. THis is
> appropriate because every such statement is backed up by overwhelming
> scientific evidence and the public statement made by 100% of
> Psychologists in the past few years. Vi rtually all of the negative
> arguments against the above scientific truth consist of ad hominem
> attacks against posters.
>
> (d) There are other areas of scientific interest, eg whether the
> criminality - or tendency to abandon family - of Negros is genetically
> related. Much of this material is available in J Phillipe Rushton's
> book. THis is not scientifically established, but certainly fit for
> discussion.
>
> (e) It is true that some posters - like Big Don - clearly do not like
> Blacks and other minorities very much. However, Don does bring to our
> attention news items etc that are difficult to find elsewhere.
> Furtehrmore I'm not aware of any repetition in this kind of
> discussion. There is enough new news items, loony PC action etc, so
> that there is always something interesting. In addition, I find that
> racial matters occupy less than 1/4 of all postings. (Perhaps more in
> the uk.org.mensa ng since Roger Pfister has siphoned off a lot of PC
> correct chit chat, thank God)
>
> (f) Finally, as prob the senior M on this ng, (1962) may I assure you
> that you personally- and all minorities, also the handicapped and
> deaf- will find you are treated exactly the same as everyone else in
> any M meeting world-wide, and should soon find a niche if you wish.
> [THis isnt actually true as regards the handicapped. I have brought
> such people many times & have noticed they are pretty much shunned. Ah
> well. That is just because M's are self-centered and insensitive....]
>
> I hope we hear more from you
>
>
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> On Mon, 24 Jan 2000 11:36:22 +0000, a plantigrade omnivore
> <2000011...@mcc.ac.uk20000114> wrote:
>
> >boostmeup900 wrote:
> >>
> >> It is rather suprising to see that the Mensa newsgroup is constantly
> >> cross-posted with issues of a racial nature i.e BNP and groups of that
ilk.
> >> As a black Mensan with an IQ of 174, I do find this rather distressing.
You
> >> may wish to comment on the obvious popularity of this group with those
> >> circles.
> >
> >THEY think they have something in common with us. Most of us have given
> >up arguing with them, they don't listen and they don't change.
> >If I'd known it'd be like this I'd never have CFV'd it....
> >How well propagated is mensa.* now? Should we rmgrp this one?
> >
> >--
> >Calamata olives - why bother with any other kind?
>
Bernard
>Let me offer an explanation. This simply arose due to a change in my
>environment and also being introduced to Image-Streaming which has worked
no
>end. I have done Image streaming every day for 30 minutes for about 3 years
>and the IQ gains were phenomenal.
hi......erm .....i was wondering...whats image streaming?????
Alan Truelove
for an exhaustive list of references .....
There is simply no opposition to these scientific conclusions, in fact
for the last 20 years or so----
It is hardly a matter for discussion. But go ahead, if you feel like
it...
No Victimization is involved, just as Scientists like me do not
victimize smokers when we estimate their life expectation...
It is the Scientific Method..
What we do with this knowledge is another matter..
do we arbitrarily give a free pass to underqualified Negros applying
at UC Berkeley?
About 70% of the voters said "No". Should we take into account the
poor environment and preparation of some applicants? By all means --
(this is done in the UK, but is now banned in Calif etc.. a suit in
Federal Court aims to change this .. good luck, sincerely ..)
You certainly paid for the privilege of jning Mensa, and you are
entitled to get a body that has no opinion. This has now been
violated.
A 'List' run ostensibly for all M's (that qualify by residence or
connection to the UK) admits only certain types of opinion--
it is advertised in an Official Mensa Web Site, and has the word
'Mensa' in its title-- a suit I brought in US Federal Court about this
did not provide any relief, but did last 2 years and cost Mensa -in 1
way or another- a great deal of money. This fight is by no means over.
(recent litigation in the US and UK points in the direction of
responsibility...). If you confine you postings to that List, I
guarantee that no one will be permitted to say a discouraging word ..
(or they will be permanently kicked off).
You certainly have an interesting and commendable story. But the only
way to prove what you say is as follows: Get yourself a grant - OR get
an academic job that gives you time.. Construct an experimental design
for a long term longtitudinal study (preferably an identical twin
study) .. do the study.. publish the results. That is every one else
has done.... No evidence of the kind you suggest has ever been found..
Western Environment to-day - including as it does TV exposure,
reasonable nutrition, ec.. is the same for all.. to some extent
(notmuch) test-taking skills can be improved... erm, thaT'S IT.
eVERYTHING ELSE HAS BEEN SHOWN TO BE A COMPLETE WASTE OF TIME,
INCLUDING hEAD sTART.
This is not to decry the possibility of individual effort and
ambition-- you will find everyone in Mensa eager and willing to help
you -- I have benefited enormously from my 40 years membership-- which
makes me even more determined to enforce "Mensa has no opinon"...
If I were in your position, I would act in precisely the same way,
probably more so..
look forward to meeting & speaking w. you..
Alan Truelove
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