site poaching
Max
I'm sure this must be a common problem whereby someone can basically copy a
large portion of the contents of a site ( pics etc ) and build there own
from it.
I suppose protecting my graphics is the major point.
tia max
Mads Pedersen
> Is there a method to protect your site from being cannibalised.
Don't think so - html pages and their contents are by their very nature public. I guess designing your page in shockwave or flash would make life more difficult for any "poachers" but even that won't secure your work completely.
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Duncan
>
> Is there a method to protect your site from being cannibalised.
>
> large portion of the contents of a site ( pics etc ) and build there own
> from it.
>
> I suppose protecting my graphics is the major point.
>
> tia max
AFAIK graphics and other content are protected by copyright. Problem
being that you've gotta find the person who pinched your works of art.
Some formats have a place for you to put name and other details, then
theres digital watermarks.
Really, if your worried about people nicking your work, then you've
gotta ask yourself, do you really want to post it on the Web??
Hey ho.
DIM
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Paul S. Owen
Tony Greenwood wrote in message <37bc8749...@news.freeserve.co.uk>...
|
|Can't be done.
Not true, for JPEGs you can embed a digital watermark for example
(http://www.digimarc.com) ... it doesn't prevent someone copying the
graphics but it does allow you to see where they've ended up!
If someone has ripped off either the text, graphics or even the basic design
of a site you may have a copyright case against them. Proving it may not be
all that easy though, however make sure you place appropriate copyright
notices throughout the site.
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It will load the image in a fast java applet, and can domain lock the
applet, so if it is loaded onto someone elses web site, it will not work.
It seems rather good so far, in that I haven't hacked it
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Tony Greenwood <to...@webscripts.org> wrote in message
news:37bc8749...@news.freeserve.co.uk...
> Hey! "Max" <ma...@dial.pipex.com>
>
> >Is there a method to protect your site from being cannibalised.
>
> Nope
>
> >I'm sure this must be a common problem whereby someone can basically copy
a
>
> Yup
>
> >I suppose protecting my graphics is the major point.
>
> Can't be done.
>
> At the end of the day your page and graphics get downloaded to the
> surfers computer cache in order to be displayed on there browser. add
> to that a simple one button screen grab if needed and thats that..
>
> There may be steps you can take if you catch soemone.. but theres
> nothing you can do to stop the people you don't catch :(
>
>
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Paul S. Owen
Tony Greenwood wrote in message <37c49335...@news.freeserve.co.uk>...
|Hey! "Paul S. Owen" <pa...@sigint.in2home.>
|>
|>Tony Greenwood wrote in message
<37bc8749...@news.freeserve.co.uk>...
|>|
|>|Can't be done.
|>
|>Not true, for JPEGs you can embed a digital watermark for example
|>(http://www.digimarc.com) ... it doesn't prevent someone copying the
|>graphics but it does allow you to see where they've ended up!
|
|going to tell me soemthing I ahve written is untrue then at least show
|me where it is untrue..You havn't
err, read what I said ...
" ... it ->doesn't<- stop someone copying the graphics but ... "
Now you wrote in response to the posters original request :
">I suppose protecting my graphics is the major point.
Can't be done."
Now I (and most people I assume) class 'protecting' as meaning the ability
to easily identify a stolen possession as well as preventing its theft in
the first place. Ultimately I can't prevent someone from breaking into my
home and stealing its contents even with the most advanced security money
can buy. However, I _can_ protect my posessions by marking them
appropriately thus giving _absolute_ proof of their original owner. This is
what watermarking allows ... and in a case of copyright theft it could be
the deciding factor.
Therefore I stand by my statement. Perhaps saying your comments where
'untrue' is a little off, 'not wholly accurate' would've been better with
hindsight.
|Watermark as many graphics as you like.,. it won't stop people
|stealing them now will it ? thus my comments stand as true....
Whatever you say ... I only recently started posting to this group but if
this is the prevailing attitude of the posters here then I guess I won't
bother :(
Big Bill
wrote:
>Hey! "Max" <ma...@dial.pipex.com>
>
>>Is there a method to protect your site from being cannibalised.
>
>Nope
>
>>I'm sure this must be a common problem whereby someone can basically copy a
>
>Yup
>
>>I suppose protecting my graphics is the major point.
>
>Can't be done.
>
>At the end of the day your page and graphics get downloaded to the
>surfers computer cache in order to be displayed on there browser. add
>to that a simple one button screen grab if needed and thats that..
>
>There may be steps you can take if you catch soemone.
like explaining to their ISP that the site they're hosting is ripped
off copyright material and should you sue for damages then as host ISP
they would also be liable....this works in America, so I'm told.
BB
. but theres
>nothing you can do to stop the people you don't catch :(
>
>
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~ a fast java applet,
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Richard Davey
>
> Can't be done.
There is no way to protect against someone screen-grabbing from your site,
just like a magazine can't stop someone scanning from it. But the images
can be displayed as part of a Java applet (and thus are not cached) or could
also have an embedded digital watermark, so are therefore traceable. Just
like you can't stop someone stealing your car, you can trace who does it.
There are also quite advanced methods to stop people linking to graphics on
your site, but that's another issue.
Cheers,
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Richard Davey
> yes thats the way I would go.. However the ISP then doesn't know what
> came first.. site A or site B..If the thief counters that you stole
> the site from him then.... This is where your watermarks would come
> into play for the graphics.. However the whole site (as was also
> mentioned) would be an iffy thing to prove IMHO.
As has been proven in courts of law numerous times, emails are regarded as
being suitable evidence. Therefore if you zipped up and emailed your site
to someone (yourself, your ISP, etc) you have a date-stamped proof that it's
yours. Equally if you are that concerned you could request your ISP sign a
declaration stating the date the site was uploaded. Although I doubt any
will do this as a standard practise, they may well if you asked them nicely.
Depends on the nature of your work.
Michael Houston
Paul S. Owen <mailto:pa...@sigint.in2home> wrote in message
news:934322013.11791...@news.in2home.co.uk...
>
<snip>
> Now I (and most people I assume) class 'protecting' as meaning the ability
> to easily identify a stolen possession as well as preventing its theft in
> the first place. Ultimately I can't prevent someone from breaking into my
> home and stealing its contents even with the most advanced security money
> can buy. However, I _can_ protect my posessions by marking them
> appropriately thus giving _absolute_ proof of their original owner. This
is
> what watermarking allows ... and in a case of copyright theft it could be
> the deciding factor.
>
The picture could still be stolen by taking a screenshot, although this
seems like going a bit too far.
Michael.
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B Gannon
>Really, if your worried about people nicking your work, then you've
>gotta ask yourself, do you really want to post it on the Web??
I agree, the whole point of the web would be negated
if it was possible to prevent people downloading your images etc. How may of
us here learnt to write html javascript etc by nicking source code from other
peoples pages.
As for graphics its not good enough being able to desgin well written sites,
you need to be a graphic artist as well. If I borrow graphics I tend to put
some sort of acknowledgement and offer to remove them in the source code of my
html.
It helps me sleep at night.
B Gannon
Kerry Dye
<mic...@m-houston.freeserve.co.uk> wrote:
>is
>> what watermarking allows ... and in a case of copyright theft it could be
>> the deciding factor.
>>
><snip>
>
>The picture could still be stolen by taking a screenshot, although this
>seems like going a bit too far.
>
to survive that; they are actually encoded in the picture.
Depending on the "strength" of watermark you use, it is designed to
survive being printscreened, altered, cropped, resaved and scanned by
several generations.
Most of the problems of site copying are wholesale site copies,
because they also want the text for seach engine findability etc.
Otherwise it tends to be individual photos (film stars, products etc)
that are most at risk.
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Alchemy
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Michael Houston
I can't see how that works though as how can you tell which pixels have been
adjusted to make the watermark?
All very clever. :)
Michael.
Kerry Dye <ke...@alchemydigital.com> wrote in message
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Kerry Dye
<mic...@m-houston.freeserve.co.uk> wrote:
>cool, I didn't know that.
>
>I can't see how that works though as how can you tell which pixels have been
>adjusted to make the watermark?
>
The program knows; for instance Photoshop will give you a warning if
you import someone else's Digimarc image into it.
Digimarc also has a spider that goes and looks for your images around
the web (you have to pay a subscription for the reports though) so
that you can then take action against people copying them, because at
least you know about it!
[saying that, although I know about the technology, we don't yet use
it)
More information can be found on the Digimarc web site
http://www.digimarc.com/ . There are other companies who offer a
similar service, but I can't recall any of their names.
Regards,
simon gray
wrote:
~ As has been proven in courts of law numerous times, emails are regarded as
~ being suitable evidence. Therefore if you zipped up and emailed your site
~ to someone (yourself, your ISP, etc) you have a date-stamped proof that it's
~ yours.
A date stamp is trivially easy to forge, & emailing it to yourself (or
whoever) is comparable with the 'post your demo tape to yourself &
don't open it' thing that musos advise each other to do, & is equally
dodgy as proof of authorship.
If establishing authorship is so important to you, then the only
method that is guaranteed to stand up in a court is to put your site
onto a disk (together with the photoshop etc builder files) & deposit
that disk with your solicitor.
Demon News
>
>Digimarc also has a spider that goes and looks for your images around
>the web (you have to pay a subscription for the reports though) so
>that you can then take action against people copying them, because at
>least you know about it!
>
Yes, and it's very easy to block out. I found their user agent spidering our
web pages and now I divert it to a 'go away' page normally reserved for
email rippers. This is not because we have illegal images on our site - we
don't - but because 1) net cops irritate me 2) it's a very impolite spider -
doesn't seem to obey robot exclusion protocols.
The point, I suppose, is that anyone who has copyright-busting content can
do the same.
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Jim
Nick Hill
>...If I borrow graphics I tend to put
>...some sort of acknowledgement and offer to remove them in the source code of my
>...html.
So does that mean you'll break copywrite until you're caught out?
Publishing material on a web site should be treated the same as if
you'd published it in any other media. Acknowledging the source is no
replacement for actually having permission to publish.
Nick.
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