Kingston ADSL Offical Petition
Chris
http://www.cwoodward.karoo.net
Thank You :-)
DracUK
Nicholas Gamble
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DOH!
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Stu
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Mike Myers
Pass it on to all Karoo people you know are not maybe on usenet! ICQ
it to em all! Email it to em all! :)
Mike
al...@bilton.karoo.co.uk
some people are quite happy with Karoo
Crossplot
> Who gives a shit anyway?
I do for one, If you don't give a shit don't sign the petition!! I didn't
recall anyone forcing your hand on the issue??
Yer right Ray play the cards Ray...........
Stu Harvey
I would of thought that was ample amount of bandwidth
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Smiggs
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> is 700MB per 24 hours not good enough?
>
> I would of thought that was ample amount of bandwidth
>
file this is what ADSL is for
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Sir Percival (Michael Spall)
Using the ADSL 512Kbps speed to full usage that give you just under 3 hours
of usage a day.
Would you pay for a ISP that you can only use for 3 hours in every 24?
Even assuming that you wont get full speed and that the average speed will
be a mere 256 Kbps that's only 6 hours a day.
My house is currently online for an average of 14.2 hours a day (karoo
switch of after 7.1 hours exactly, and we make on average two full length
calls a day).
I would classify myself to be a Heavy Internet User and that is the amount
of usage I would expect from, and I quote direct form the kcltd.co.uk
website "The service is ideal for heavy users of the Internet who want
"always on" connectivity, 24 hours a day. "
I would say that as a heavy internet user, 3 or even 6 hours a day does not
comprise "always on" connectivity, 24 hours a day.
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Professional Student and Genius :-)
http://go.to/studentweb
Stu Harvey
could get just 10.24/sec upto 512k/sec depending on how many people are
connected in your neighbourhood.
As I live in Goole we will never get ADSL well not for a long time anyway
but i would be happy with 700MB per day.
You may find when u have an always on system you will not always use the
system.
"Sir Percival (Michael Spall)" <sir...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Chris
I notice you don't eternally agree with practically the rest of the groups
views (and many others) about KC imposing a download limit on there new
'Karoo RapidTime' service.
While I will stop short of asking if you work or are been paid by KC to put
your views to the group, which you are entitled to (that's what Usenet is
about) I would ask you to look at what KC are doing from another reason
other than people downloading games etc.
What I, and others are fighting for is a totally level service in line with
the rest of the country. BT don't impose a download limit. NTL don't.
TeleWest don't. I could go on.....
Why should KC impose such a limit? Simple. Because there is no competition
here. They think they can get away with it. If they can get away with this,
they will get away with other things too. Major ones they could do is start
blocking ports (ICQ is a popular one to block as well as Netmeeting). If
people start hosting servers on Karoo RapidTime I'm sure we could see the
end of FTP and games server's standard ports.
I'm not saying the above will happen, but KC seem to think they can rule
free and _make_ us accept there services.
Now, I'm not one for downloading much, but there are days when I do
download, and download to the max. If you can call yourself a heavy user of
the Internet, I'm sure you do too somedays. Sure people on NTL cable and
blueyonder transfer games/movies, but that is one of the basic ideas behind
broadband connections. Otherwise why would anyone need a connection faster
than a 14.4k modem? (Which I'm sure _you_ don't use)
This is why it is imperative for this download limit, amongst other things
like been forced to connect via USB, to be fought against. If we don't, I
can't personally see Internet users in Hull having a nice time with KC.
Thanks for reading if you did,
Chris Woodward
http://www.cwoodward.karoo.net
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Stu Harvey
"Sir Percival (Michael Spall)" <sir...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> news:9n55jn$5bsiu$1...@ID-16652.news.dfncis.de...
> > is 700MB per 24 hours not good enough?
> >
> > I would of thought that was ample amount of bandwidth
> >
> > "Chris" <ch...@cwoodward.karoo.co.uk> wrote in message
> > news:tp9mvll...@corp.supernews.co.uk...
> > > Please sign with any views you may have on Kingstons ADSL service.
> > >
> > > http://www.cwoodward.karoo.net
> > >
> > > Thank You :-)
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
> Using the ADSL 512Kbps speed to full usage that give you just under 3
hours
> of usage a day.
>
> Would you pay for a ISP that you can only use for 3 hours in every 24?
> Even assuming that you wont get full speed and that the average speed will
> be a mere 256 Kbps that's only 6 hours a day.
> My house is currently online for an average of 14.2 hours a day (karoo
> switch of after 7.1 hours exactly, and we make on average two full length
> calls a day).
so if you have 25 people in your neighbourhood with using the service u
would get 20.48s/sec average - which would mean it would take more then the
whole day to amass 700 mb of data.
Do not dream thinking u would will get 512 or 256k/sec
I work in a college with a 2mb direct link even when all the machines are
unused I can only hope for an average of 150k/sec
Smiggs
> contention is 50-1 so it is very unlikely that you will get 512k/sec you
> could get just 10.24/sec upto 512k/sec depending on how many people are
> connected in your neighbourhood.
if i'm near enough no one on my street will want to get internet access so
i'll get full speed
Sir Percival (Michael Spall)
>
> "Sir Percival (Michael Spall)" <sir...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> > "Stu Harvey" <stu...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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<snip>
thank you for not top posting, I wish I could get Outlook Express to stop
putting my sig at teh top by default now :-(
>
> so if you have 25 people in your neighbourhood with using the service u
> would get 20.48s/sec average - which would mean it would take more then
the
> whole day to amass 700 mb of data.
Wrong, wrong wrong and plain wrong.
You are thinking of a cable modem, where the capacity of the cable for your
area is shared amongst all buildings in your area.
This is because cable modems work over the existing Fibre Cables that
NTL/Telewest etc have put down, your data is multiplexed with everyone elses
data.
Some systems use ATM to ensure a minimum amount, the technical details are
not important.
ADSL works differantly because it is based on phonelines which are not based
on a packet routing system like above, but are instead based on a circuit or
virtual circuit over packet routing system.
A telephone conversation is very hard to multiplex, it requires modulating,
demodulating and so on, your conversation and hence your electrical signals
travel along a dedicated wire to the exchange.
Originally you would then ahve been dedicated a set of wires to transport
you over the country, this was refered to as Circuit Switching, giving you a
dedicated line.
These days, all major exchanges are digital, but becuase of the phone system
they support something called Virtual Circuits, whereby the circuit that you
are given can be modified at any time, but all of your packets of data will
travel down the same wires unless there is a fault causing your circuit to
be re-routed.
ADSL uses this technology and thus the electricity travels down your phone
line tot eh exchange where it enters a fitler, to seperate voice from data,
the voice is treated normally and the data is then sent of into the internet
from your exchange.
This means that the traditional cable modem contention doesnt exist, instead
you are contending with possibly 50 other people at the exchange only.
That is the maximum meaning that the slowest that you should be going would
be your figure of 10 Kbps.
>
> Do not dream thinking u would will get 512 or 256k/sec
>
> I work in a college with a 2mb direct link even when all the machines are
> unused I can only hope for an average of 150k/sec
>
that is quite correct, and in fact that isnt a bad speed for a 2mb link.
Your confusion lies in the differance between Kbps and k/sec
there are 8 bits to a byte, and due to historical reasons data transmission
speeds are given in bits not bytes.
2 Mb is a 2 Megabit link, giving approximatly 256 Kilobytes per second of
transfer speed
150 k/sec is not a bad speed then on a system that can handle, spread across
the servers, all other clients and incoming traffic a total of 256 k/sec
>
>
I hope that has helped, don't take it personally, I'm studying a degree in
computing and a lot of this stuff confuses me, so I like to make sure that
people are aware of what these speeds mean.
Incidentally we haven't even begun to touch on latency yet!
Stu Harvey
> Wrong, wrong wrong and plain wrong.
> You are thinking of a cable modem, where the capacity of the cable for
your
> area is shared amongst all buildings in your area.
DownStream Daily Download Quota 24hr period: 700MB
DownStream Speed (up to): 500kbps
UpStream Speed (up to): 250kbps
Web Site Traffic Limit 24hr period: 20MB
Web Space: 20MB
Contention Ratio: 50:1
Connection Type: USB
Stu Harvey
> Hi there,
Hi
> While I will stop short of asking if you work or are been paid by KC to
put
> your views to the group,
No I work for a college in North Yorkshire so it doesn't affect me , I also
live in Goole again KC doesn't affect me.
> What I, and others are fighting for is a totally level service in line
with
> the rest of the country. BT don't impose a download limit. NTL don't.
> TeleWest don't. I could go on.....
BT, NTL and Telewest will all be looking at KC and then they will probably
decide if to impose limitations - that is the way the UK ISP business is run
at the moment.
I still think 4.9gb of bandwidth per week (19.6gb per calender month) is
ample compared to the Aussie ISP who limit their users to 3.2gb per month.
> Thanks for reading if you did,
I read it and take your points but we must differ on this one, it is good
though that UK.NET.REGULATION ng appearing on my newserver seems to be a
good ng for discussion - without flames :-)
Chris
> Incidentally we haven't even begun to touch on latency yet!
So lets begin!
Answer this simple question to win a years subscription to Karoo NoTime!
Q. Which type of connection offers the lowest latency?
a. USB
b. Ethernet
If you want to win a bonus prize, which consists of a 'I Love KC' sticker
and signed photo of Steve Maine, answer this one.
Q. Which type of connection are KC forcing us to use?
a. USB
b. Ethernet
Answers on this thread please!
Cya,
Chris
Stu Harvey
> > Incidentally we haven't even begun to touch on latency yet!
>
> So lets begin!
>
> Answer this simple question to win a years subscription to Karoo NoTime!
>
> Q. Which type of connection offers the lowest latency?
> a. USB
> b. Ethernet
>
> If you want to win a bonus prize, which consists of a 'I Love KC' sticker
> and signed photo of Steve Maine, answer this one.
>
> Q. Which type of connection are KC forcing us to use?
> a. USB
> b. Ethernet
>
> Answers on this thread please!
>
> Cya,
> Chris
>
Stu Harvey
The maximum DownStream and UpStream rates quoted above may be reduced by
"contention" at peak usage times within the Kingston network. This means
that you will share the available bandwidth with a number of other users.
Contention resolution is used to apportion which users gain access to the
bandwidth under what conditions.
Sir Percival (Michael Spall)
Well I thought it wa fairly funny <grin>
It is a good point, Ethernet has a latency that is measured in milliseconds,
USB has latency that is measured in 10's of milliseconds, ok so its only
about 4 times as bad as far as I can remember.
Also Ethernet on Coax Cable is probably worse than USB as well
Chris
> No I work for a college in North Yorkshire so it doesn't affect me , I
also
> live in Goole again KC doesn't affect me.
Which is maybe the reason why you are not as bothered as residents of Hull.
> BT, NTL and Telewest will all be looking at KC and then they will probably
> decide if to impose limitations - that is the way the UK ISP business is
run
> at the moment.
>
> I still think 4.9gb of bandwidth per week (19.6gb per calender month) is
> ample compared to the Aussie ISP who limit their users to 3.2gb per month.
AFAIK they have not carried out that threat yet. If they did, I feel sorry
for there customers.
As for BT and others watching KC, I'm sure you are quite correct. If KC can
get away with it without feeling OFTEL's 'heavy hand' (if they have one)
then BT could also look into doing something similar. NTL would be most
interested I suspect seen as they seem to be the ones that are so
oversubscribed at the moment.
> I read it and take your points but we must differ on this one, it is good
> though that UK.NET.REGULATION ng appearing on my newserver seems to be a
> good ng for discussion - without flames :-)
I can't see many people wanting to read a group with 'Regulation' in its
name, let alone people that are there to flame others so pointlessly :)
Chris Woodward
http://www.cwoodward.karoo.net
Sir Percival (Michael Spall)
yes and your point being?
Freeserve have a contention ratio for modems, it simply means that if you
try to connect and all their modems are busy then you get an engaged tone.
50:1 is actually an acceptable contention ratio, 20:1 would be better, the
only time I ahve ever had problems with anybody with a 50:1 ratio is
actually with Karoo, when on occasion we get strange messages stateing that
all the lines are busy.
The contention here occurs at the exchange itself, I woudl assume that what
they suggest is that they have 512Kbps of connection for every 50 users they
expect to sign up.
If they ahve a lower reception than planned the service will be very fast
most of the time, if they ahve it done right, then if other people on the
same exchange as you, say 3,000 people, if 1 in 50 people are using then
they will get 512Kbps, if more are then the service degrades.
chances are tat avergae speed is gonna be around 300 - 500 Kbps normally,
with bursts of slowness between 6 and 8 and again at about 11 til 1 am, but
then again not much differant to using a modem at those times either!
James Coupe
<stu...@hotmail.com> writes
>I read it and take your points but we must differ on this one, it is good
>though that UK.NET.REGULATION ng appearing on my newserver seems to be a
>good ng for discussion - without flames :-)
You may also find uk.telecom.broadband to be a useful group for similar
issues.
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Mike Myers
>Who gives a shit anyway?
>some people are quite happy with Karoo
Me, and some others too.. Happy with Karoo? Erm but this is the new
ADSL Service. Do try and keep up at the back.
Mike
Mike Myers
<ch...@cwoodward.karoo.co.uk> wrote:
>Q. Which type of connection offers the lowest latency?
> a. USB
> b. Ethernet
b. Ethernet :)
>Q. Which type of connection are KC forcing us to use?
> a. USB
> b. Ethernet
a. USB :)
What I want to know is how does Solwises ADSL Internal Modem work? Its
niether USB or Ethernet.
Mike Myers
<ch...@cwoodward.karoo.co.uk> wrote:
>As for BT and others watching KC, I'm sure you are quite correct. If KC can
>get away with it without feeling OFTEL's 'heavy hand' (if they have one)
>then BT could also look into doing something similar. NTL would be most
>interested I suspect seen as they seem to be the ones that are so
>oversubscribed at the moment.
Did you or someone else contact OFTEL with these details? Did they
respond?
Mike
Ian Stirling
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>>
>> "Chris" <ch...@cwoodward.karoo.co.uk> wrote in message
>> news:tpcfcm3...@corp.supernews.co.uk...
>> > > Incidentally we haven't even begun to touch on latency yet!
>> >
>> > So lets begin!
>> >
>> > Answer this simple question to win a years subscription to Karoo NoTime!
>> >
>> > Q. Which type of connection offers the lowest latency?
>> > a. USB
>> > b. Ethernet
>It is a good point, Ethernet has a latency that is measured in milliseconds,
>USB has latency that is measured in 10's of milliseconds, ok so its only
>about 4 times as bad as far as I can remember.
>Also Ethernet on Coax Cable is probably worse than USB as well
Actually, it's not.
pinging the machine across the room, through a gateway further across
the room gives a round-trip time of 1ms.
Or .25ms from one machine to another.
Coax and UTP are exactly the same speed, unless the network is contended
in one direction.
USB has a frame frequency of 1Khz (IIRC), so round-trip time on a USB
interface could be as low as a couple of milliseconds.
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Ian Stirling
>Please sign with any views you may have on Kingstons ADSL service.
I'm curious as to what makes it official?
Carved in stone, sanctified by the sacrifice of a virgin?
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Chris
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> I'm curious as to what makes it official?
There was a few other petitions, and we (the users) have decided to just use
the one so no confusion is caused, hence it becoming the 'Offical' petition.
Ok? Thanks :-)
Chris
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Yes Mike. I have contacted OFTEL about KC abusing there market position on
the matter of the 700MB cap. I recieved a conformation letter today that
they are looking into it, but this could take upto 20 days. *sigh*
Chris
"Mike Myers" <Mike...@Demon.Anymore> wrote in message
Nice one Mike. Sticker and picture winging its way to you now ;-)
AFAIK the Solwise Internal modem is an Ethernet type (has a RJ45
connector/socket on the back). All USB modems are external to my limited
knowledge.
al...@bilton.karoo.co.uk
90% of subscribers to Karoo)
but instead of causing waves why dont you just leave karoo and sign up with
someone else?
The less subscribers karoo have the better the access for the ones that are
already quite happy with the service.
Crossplot wrote:
> > Who gives a shit anyway?
>
> I do for one, If you don't give a shit don't sign the petition!! I didn't
> recall anyone forcing your hand on the issue??
>
> Yer right Ray play the cards Ray...........
al...@bilton.karoo.co.uk
i'm nearly awake now
But i get a bit weary of peeps knocking KC all the time
dont hear anyone complaining about staying on the phone all day for
5.5p+vat(yes i know thats nothing to do with the internet service but i
class it as mixed blessings)
Chris
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> yes your right and no i wont be signing the petition(just like i reckon
about
> 90% of subscribers to Karoo)
These 90% of subscriber the ones who won't be taking up the ADSL service as
they don't know about it unless they have visited the KC website yes.
> but instead of causing waves why dont you just leave karoo and sign up
with
> someone else?
I have no problem with Karoo (Anytime). The problem is there service spec
for ADSL. Tell me, is anyone else offering residential ADSL round here?
> The less subscribers karoo have the better the access for the ones that
are
> already quite happy with the service.
Ha, I heard that line yonks ago when there was a mass exodus to LineOne. I
don't remember the service changing. It was still good ol' Karoo where, when
it works it works amazingly well and when it doesn't work they can't fix it
for a few days.
Sir Percival (Michael Spall)
> Please sign with any views you may have on Kingstons ADSL service.
>
For those interested...
http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/22/21498.html
"Kingston ADSL cap 'will not be actively implemented '"
is the story, read it and contact the reporter with your stories.
I personally am still waiting for an email from Customer Care (ha!) at
Karoo, where a man by the name of Adam promised to email me as soon as he
could clarify the details. (admittedly I asked a few other questions so he
might be seeking answers to those questions as well. sigh!
Sir Percival (Michael Spall)
Firstly the 700 MB limit will be watched not enforced. The idea is that if
someone is flagrantly pushing the limit on a regular basis, they have a
reason to stop the service to them, however I was assured that they would
not be stopping transfers at 700MB, and providing you don't exceed to limit
on a regular basis they would be willing to overlook it. The limit is there
to ensure that they can provide a consistent service to all customers.
The ADSL modem will not be supported by computers running the following
systems ...
Win95
Win NT
Macintosh Computers
Linux
Kinston Tech support have also said that
You may purchase any ADSL modem, including an Ethernet modem if you so wish.
In fact I was recommended to purchase a modem from a store that supported
cashback so if it didn't work I could take it back.
Linux is definitely not supported on the USB Modem that they supply, it
simply doesn't work with existing drivers, also any of the above operating
systems are not supported by Technical Support. However Mike did say that
if I wanted to run linux I was more than welcome to on the provision that I
accepted that if the connection did not work I had no reason for complaint
as I was not running a recommended operating system. He also said that they
are currently attempting to find Mac Drivers that will work with the USB
Modem.
Finally he did say that running a non-commercial webserver was allowed but
again was not supported and again so was running a home network connected to
the ADSL service.
For your reference I spoke with a gentleman named Mike Barnes, who conferred
with his supervisor before answering my questions to ensure accuracy.
I believe this means that I will soon be having this system installed.
--
Blessed Be
Sir Percival (Michael Spall)
Professional Student and Genius :-)
http://go.to/studentweb
Chris
> You may purchase any ADSL modem, including an Ethernet modem if you so
wish.
Sure you can, but Ethernet connections will not work AFAIK.
Chris
Sir Percival (Michael Spall)
Why not, when I mentioned it to the technician he didnt say that I couldnt,
simply that they wouldnt support it.
To be honest ADSL is not my sepcialitiy, I understand netowrking but when it
gets tot eh ahrdware I start ot get a little overwhelmed.
Surely a USB modem or an internal / ethernet modem shoudl work fine
interchangebly, the USB modem simply has a ethernet style plug (RJ45 I
think) in it right?
I figure the differance was related to how it physically interfaced with the
computer, ethernet conencting either as an internal card or via a network
card and an ethernet cable (or my hub!) and USB through the USB port.
Chris
> Why not, when I mentioned it to the technician he didnt say that I
couldnt,
> simply that they wouldnt support it.
>
> To be honest ADSL is not my sepcialitiy, I understand netowrking but when
it
> gets tot eh ahrdware I start ot get a little overwhelmed.
> Surely a USB modem or an internal / ethernet modem shoudl work fine
> interchangebly, the USB modem simply has a ethernet style plug (RJ45 I
> think) in it right?
> I figure the differance was related to how it physically interfaced with
the
> computer, ethernet conencting either as an internal card or via a network
> card and an ethernet cable (or my hub!) and USB through the USB port.
Nor is it my speciality. But AFAIK USB services and Ethernet services rely
and run on different protocols.
I have this afternoon spoken to the man himself, Mr Nalder. He has been
easily the most helpful person I have ever spoken to at KC and take back any
comments I may have made about him in the past.
He confirmed alot of points, although I am still a bit confused as to what
consituts to 'normal' use of an Internet connection. Is normal downloading
MP3's/DivX movies? I'd say its 'common' and so common tends to equal normal.
The above could also be illegal, but since its common, does it still make it
'normal'? Mmmm quite.
Going back to the USB/Ethernet thing though, Mr Nalder said it was a USB
service only, using his words 'Thats what the web site says isn't it?' :-)
The only point I need clarification on now is this: say you get ADSL
installed, you download constantly a few days, then stop....but its too
late, KC have been monitoring you. They enforce the 700MB limit. Do you have
a right to cancel the contract? Say, even if this is a few months down the
line?
Going back to the USB/Ethernet thing AGAIN (god this is a badly constructed
post) I would prefer a Ethernet connection to a USB type by at least
10000000% as I would pefferably want the modem connected to my hub instead
of just one computer.
Cya,
Chris
PAGAN
improved drastically.
Chris
"PAGAN" <drew...@icqmail.com> wrote in message
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> I recently went out and bought a usb external modem and my connection
> improved drastically.
Good :-)
Graham L
<ch...@cwoodward.karoo.co.uk> wrote:
>I have this afternoon spoken to the man himself, Mr Nalder. He has been
>easily the most helpful person I have ever spoken to at KC and take back any
>comments I may have made about him in the past.
>Going back to the USB/Ethernet thing though, Mr Nalder said it was a USB
>service only, using his words 'Thats what the web site says isn't it?' :-)
>Going back to the USB/Ethernet thing AGAIN (god this is a badly constructed
>post) I would prefer a Ethernet connection to a USB type by at least
>10000000% as I would pefferably want the modem connected to my hub instead
>of just one computer.
Looking at the Solwise website they do a PCI ADSL modem thats suitable
for win 95 and NT. Presumanly this would be an option? or am I missing
something.
Graham
Chris
"Graham L" <g...@hglmotors.co.uk> wrote in message
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> Looking at the Solwise website they do a PCI ADSL modem thats suitable
> for win 95 and NT. Presumanly this would be an option? or am I missing
> something.
No, this is an Ethernet type of modem. Could do with Steve to explain this
one to people as its wayyy out of my depth.
Chris
DOH!
Having used the Eicon Diva ISDN card without any probs ! I thought I would
have a look on there site for DSL modem. They have a DIVA 2430SE with
Ethernet, USB and micro-filter phone port !! The downside may be the price,
having had a look around for a re-seller Aslan quote srp of £210, they also
do the router internet edition : DIVA 2440 ADSL with Ethernet, USB and
micro-filter phone at £293. 00.
if you want to visit there site,
http://www.eicon.co.uk/uk/products/DSL/DIVA2430SE.htm
or you can download the pdf specs from
http://www.eicon.co.uk/worldwide/products/DSL/docs/2430SE.pdf
regards
Smiggs
<al...@bilton.karoo.co.uk> wrote in message
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> opps someone just nudged me
> i'm nearly awake now
> But i get a bit weary of peeps knocking KC all the time
> dont hear anyone complaining about staying on the phone all day for
> 5.5p+vat(yes i know thats nothing to do with the internet service but i
> class it as mixed blessings)
>
whoop with joy and then there were times you couldn't connect
--
Andy Smith aka Smiggs
Visit http://www.cmbelgium.net
and www.smiggsonline.co.uk now with new forum
Holsten
or will the always on connection confuse things?
As i like to make copys of my hard drive when new things are installed so
that if you run into trouble you can just go back to your last copy of your
hard drive made with ghost.
Holsten...
Mike Myers
<ch...@cwoodward.karoo.co.uk> wrote:
>Nice one Mike. Sticker and picture winging its way to you now ;-)
:)
>AFAIK the Solwise Internal modem is an Ethernet type (has a RJ45
>connector/socket on the back). All USB modems are external to my limited
>knowledge.
Its just that the external router on the solwise page does not quote
USB so I assume it uses standard Ethernet *cards* on the PCs?
I am confused..
Mike
Mike Myers
<sir...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>I believe this means that I will soon be having this system installed.
What modem u going for?
Mike Myers
LOL some people :)
Mike
Mike Myers
<ch...@cwoodward.karoo.co.uk> wrote:
>No, this is an Ethernet type of modem. Could do with Steve to explain this
>one to people as its wayyy out of my depth.
Yeah I wish Steve would really because we are all novices here and its
like WE think, WE might be right, WE could be wrong :)
Mike
Valor
you compare the costs. The only place KC comes out better is local
telephone calls, which we (the student comunity, which i am willing to bet
is a large proportion of KC internet users) rarely if ever use.
Valor
"Smiggs" <An...@spamfreesmith.karoo.co.uk> wrote in message
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Smiggs
"Valor" <ma...@valor.org.uk> wrote in message
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> And even Karoo extra doesnt compete well with BT's free 24/7 service when
> you compare the costs. The only place KC comes out better is local
> telephone calls, which we (the student comunity, which i am willing to bet
> is a large proportion of KC internet users) rarely if ever use.
>
month it was the only viable unmetered access going, then we had it good how
things changed if they had released ADSL to consumers when the exchanges
were ready bout 2 years ago i believe this wouldn't be happening at all the
could have even had the cap we couldn't of complained because no where else
in the country had broadband access
Valor
rates that wouldnt embarrass a 33.6 It was terrible.
I then bought a Supra 56Pro E. The best modem i have ever bought, excellent
connection rates and stability (on any isp other than karoo that wobbles
more than those weeble toys).
IMO USB modems suck. This has me very woried about USB ADSL modems, i only
hope they are very different.
Valor
"PAGAN" <drew...@icqmail.com> wrote in message
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Valor
but i have used 3rd party network spanning back up systems and had great
difficulty with them. I know the MS version works well on single machines
(even when connected to a network) maybe worth a try if ghost has problems.
Valor
"Holsten" <budvarhols...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Valor
(students) academic year and therefore we are effectivly paying for this
time. 1 year contract and we want to be using it now, not when Uni is
finished and we have gone home.
/me inserts rollerskate under KC =)
Valor
"Mike Myers" <Mike...@Demon.Anymore> wrote in message
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Brian {Hamilton Kelly}
sir...@yahoo.com "Michael Spall\" writes:
> Have spoken with Kinston Comms ADSL people.
>
[snip]
>
> The ADSL modem will not be supported by computers running the following
> systems ...
> Win95
> Win NT
> Macintosh Computers
> Linux
Implying that it WILL be supported by:
Win98
Win2K
Win ME
OS/2
eCS
BeOS
???
--
Brian {Hamilton Kelly} b...@dsl.co.uk
"We have gone from a world of concentrated knowledge and wisdom to one of
distributed ignorance. And we know and understand less while being incr-
easingly capable." Prof. Peter Cochrane, formerly of BT Labs
Smiggs
"Brian {Hamilton Kelly}" <b...@dsl.co.uk> wrote in message
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> In article <9n7oa9$5n5t2$1...@ID-97653.news.dfncis.de>
> sir...@yahoo.com "Michael Spall\" writes:
>
> > Have spoken with Kinston Comms ADSL people.
> >
> [snip]
> >
> > The ADSL modem will not be supported by computers running the following
> > systems ...
> > Win95
> > Win NT
> > Macintosh Computers
> > Linux
>
> Implying that it WILL be supported by:
> Win98
> Win2K
> Win ME
> OS/2
> eCS
> BeOS
>
Commodore 64
really please
Mr-W
"DOH!" <home...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
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> done!!
>
> "DracUK" <al...@gatwick.karoo.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:tpa470e...@corp.supernews.co.uk...
> > done
> > "Chris" <ch...@cwoodward.karoo.co.uk> wrote in message