Old news I'm afraid.
Gary
As for the bouts of black depression - that don't seem too unusual in the
upper echelons of the music biz.
Chas
Ian <su...@flash.net> wrote in message news:20020207....@flash.net...
>It was revealed that the singer had been a lesbian .... was this
>commonly known, or was I the only one in the Sixties tin blissful
ignorance?
The only one. This "shocking news" has been fairly well-known for only about
30 years.
>She was also said to have been subject to black bouts of severe
>depression, and given to self-mutilation.
Yes, but what's so shocking about depression?
>I'm feeling quite disenchanted and may well take to me bed for a while.
What with? Depression? I'm shocked!
>--
>Ian a Limey now resident in Ft Worth, TX,
USA
Jay, a Yankee now resident in London, UK
My brother and I always referred to her as "Spristy Dungfield" :).
Loremaster
"Ian" <su...@flash.net> wrote in message
news:20020207....@flash.net...
Yes, common knowledge. I spent a year in Hampstead from (IIRC) 1964-65,
and Dusty Springfield lived with Madeleine Bell (an excellent singer) in
a mews cottage up the road. They could be seen walking around holding
hands. As far as I can see, Dusty made no attempt to conceal her
sexuality, even though she didn't shout it from the rooftops either.
--
Molly
Spammers are like tapeworms: they leech the life from the Internet and
provide nothing of benefit in return. (Patricia A. Shaffer)
There was a live radio show in the UK (late 60s) wherein the bubbly, poppy,
presenter would get into the audience and mingle with the plebs, asking
various of them whether they had any questions to ask about the "fab world
of pop music."
On one memorable occasion, the question asked by the eager fan faced with a
moment of fleeting fame was, "Is Dusty Springfield really a lesbian?"
Cue fast cut to the music.....
:-)
On the subject of whether the most soulful female singer of the latter part
of the century was a muff-diver, who cares?
--
Brian
Leave orffff !!!
Youll be telling us all that Elton John is gay next !!!!!!
> On the subject of whether the most soulful female singer
> of the latter part of the century was a muff-diver, who cares?
Yes, it doesn't matter *nothing* !
Nor does it concerning *Melissa Etheridge*
(not 60ies, I know!),
who is my favourite rock lady nowadays.
She is best in her /anarchic/ live performing :)
Wilfried G.
--
yeah!
I didn't take this message seriously, untill your reaction. We call this
Tabloid-news and use it as toiletpaper. Are we that much tolerant in
Holland, that accept these things as normal? Main thing to me is she had a
wonderfull voice and I liked her music very well. What's the buzz about her
own life.
> But what the hell, she was a brilliant singer and nowadays no one gives
much
> of a shit about a person's sexual preferences.
I agree very much!
> As for the bouts of black depression - that don't seem too unusual in the
> upper echelons of the music biz.
Depression is just a little bit pity. No more than that.
Dries(in the free world worldcitizen)
I don't remember that, but I do remember an early-evening TV programme
where the youthful audience could question the guest stars, and Dusty
Springfield was given a hard time with "Why aren't you married?" "Have
you got a boyfriend?" and so forth. She handled the situation with
considerable dignity, IIRC.
>>I'm feeling quite disenchanted and may well take to me bed for a while.
>
>Leave orffff !!!
>
>Youll be telling us all that Elton John is gay next !!!!!!
>
Now, I bet none of you have heard about Marianne Faithful and the Mars
Bar...
:-)
Dusty appeared on Ready, Steady, Go, shortly after this incident. I can
clearly recall her telling the interviewer (Fordyce, I think) that she had
knocked Rich's toupee off with a right hook. Didn't explain what he'd said,
or done, to provoke the bounce-up though.
Chas
>
> My brother and I always referred to her as "Spristy Dungfield" :).
Kenny Everett used to call her "Rusty Springboard".
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Yeah, that was round about the time Burly Chassis was singing "Kiss me
honey, honey, kiss me".
Chas
Oh yes we have.
A packet of crisps and a Marianne Faithful bar please.
Derek
A product before, during and after the 60's
Gee Whizz! That sounds *interesting* Molly! Is it, like, shocking or
something? Do tell! Cuz I must be the only guy in the solar system who
doesn't have a clue what you're talking about ;-)
Jay
PS Don't tell Marianne, but I never liked Mars Bars. I always preferred
Almond Joy.
Make that a double!
Jay
a product of careless parents
>: om>, (nib...@akbs.fslife.co.uk) wrote
>: >
>: >Leave orffff !!!
>: >
>: >Youll be telling us all that Elton John is gay next !!!!!!
>: >
>: Now, I bet none of you have heard about Marianne Faithful and the Mars
>: Bar...
>: :-)
What? that nice little Marianne F.? You don't mean she was a
chocaholic? Go on, tell me, tell ne!
--
Ian Ft Worth, TX, USA
>: > Kenny Everett used to call her "Rusty Springboard".
>:
I've heard this everrett chap was .... well, not to put too fine a
point on it, a homosexual.
Does anyone know if there was anytruthin this?
>: Yeah, that was round about the time Burly Chassis was singing "Kiss me
>: honey, honey, kiss me".
>:
Disgusting. These filthy records should be banned off the wireless,
in my opinion.
>: Chas
>: from su...@flash.net (Ian) contains these words:
>:
>: > .... At least it was to me!
...
>: > I'm feeling quite disenchanted and may well take to me bed for a while.
>:
>: Old news I'm afraid.
>:
>: Gary
Old but useful as a test message ...
After I'd requested this n/group be added to prodigy's list, I found
that although articles d/loaded, none of my 3 or 4 earlier
messages showed up.
Got them to fix the mistake, and I see that quite a few ageing
Mods have done followups (and incidentally provided me with a
chuckle or two!.
>: On Thu, 07 Feb 2002 23:03:38 GMT, su...@flash.net (Ian) wrote:
>: ....
>: >It was revealed that the singer had been a lesbian .... was this
>:
>: Leave orffff !!!
>:
>: Youll be telling us all that Elton John is gay next !!!!!!
>:
(sharp intake of breath) He's not, is he? Actually, just between you
and me and the keyboard, I've heard rumors
recently about freddie Mercury, too... makes you fink, dunnit?
>: yes it was common knowledge in Lancashire U.K.
>:
Ah, well, don't they say, What Manchester thinks today, the world thinks
tomorrow?
>: Ian wrote in message <20020207....@flash.net>...
>:
>: >commonly known, or was I the only one in the Sixties tin blissful
>: ignorance?
>:
>: The only one. This "shocking news" has been fairly well-known for only about
>: 30 years.
>:
Would you believe I've just completed a 32 year stretch for
skinhead-bashing. Lots to catch up on.
(what happened to that nice mrs Thatcher, d'you know?)
>: >depression, and given to self-mutilation.
>:
>: Yes, but what's so shocking about depression?
>:
They tell me it's no laughing matter...
>: >I'm feeling quite disenchanted and may well take to me bed for a while.
>:
>: What with? Depression? I'm shocked!
>:
No, no, a hot water bottle, a good romance novel, and a hot cup of cocoa.
>: >Ian a Limey now resident in Ft Worth, TX,
>:
>: Jay, a Yankee now resident in London, UK
>:
Really? I'd say the States got the better end of that swap,
wouldn't you!
>PS Don't tell Marianne, but I never liked Mars Bars. I always preferred
>Almond Joy.
Is this anything to do with Mark Almond?
He was, indeed, a homosexualist and used to wear a rather curious little
beard in an discreet attempt to declare this to the secret underground world
of gaydom that exists outside the entertainment business.
> >: Yeah, that was round about the time Burly Chassis was singing "Kiss me
> >: honey, honey, kiss me".
> >:
> Disgusting. These filthy records should be banned off the wireless,
> in my opinion.
And put back on the turntables where they belong.
:-)
--
Brian
> Now, I bet none of you have heard about Marianne Faithful and the Mars
> Bar...
I have, from the lady herself, and I believe the story of her being found,
ahem, "pleasuring herself" with a Mars Bar was the figment of a tabloid
journalist's imagination.
She said that she and Mick, and Keith and someone else (poss Anita
Pallenberg, I can't remember), had all collapsed into one bed after a gig to
watch television.
While there, just four chums too knackered for sex, they were pigging choccy
bars of all sorts and dumping the wrappers on and around the bed.
Suddenly, there's a knock at the door - Keith let's them in - and (blow me
down with a policeman's truncheon) it's the boys in blue with a search
warrant and a small posse of newspaper reporters in tow. Now how did that
happen, I wonder?
Her version of the story is very credible as being part of an attempt to
thoroughly discredit those naughty, naughty, boys who were plainly
determined to destroy the world as we know it at the time.
--
Brian
> I see that quite a few ageing
> Mods have done followups (and incidentally provided me with a
> chuckle or two!.
Aging? AGING!?!?
--
Brian
> On Sat, 9 Feb 2002, in article <u68r26k...@corp.supernews.com>, Jay
> Paine (Jay Paine <jayp...@lyndalls.globalnet.co.uk>) wrote
>
> >PS Don't tell Marianne, but I never liked Mars Bars. I always preferred
> >Almond Joy.
>
> Is this anything to do with Mark Almond?
> :-)
and the story about him collapsing after 'drinking' 2 pints of something?
> "Molly" <nos...@mockfords.clara.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:th2AtDCc...@clara.net...
>
> > Now, I bet none of you have heard about Marianne Faithful and the Mars
> > Bar...
>
>
> Her version of the story is very credible as being part of an attempt to
> thoroughly discredit those naughty, naughty, boys who were plainly
> determined to destroy the world as we know it at the time.
> --
but were they fun size mars bars or king size?
If Brian's discussed this with The Girl on a Motorcycle, then I'm hardly in
a position to contradict him. The story that did the rounds at the time,
however, was that the chocolate bar in question was actually being devoured,
in situ, by M. Jagger Esq.
Why let the truth get in the way of a good story?
Chas
> (what happened to that nice mrs Thatcher, d'you know?)
Whe I read your message I thought this could be a member of the Conservatif
Party. Do you answer this in affirmative?
> No, no, a good romance novel.
I don't think George Bush didn't ever read a novel.
> >: Jay, a Yankee now resident in London, UK
> >:
> Really? I'd say the States got the better end of that swap,
> wouldn't you!
Be humble as an American, that's the best way to be accept by the 5 Billion
other people in the world.
Dries
> Dusty appeared on Ready, Steady, Go, shortly after this incident. I can
> clearly recall her telling the interviewer (Fordyce, I think) that she had
> knocked Rich's toupee off with a right hook. Didn't explain what he'd
said,
> or done, to provoke the bounce-up though.
That's the only way to stop sucha person.
Dries
> Now, I bet none of you have heard about Marianne Faithful and the Mars
> Bar...
Don't!! I like THE MUSIC of Dusty and Marianne Faithful, also Elton John in
his early days very much. Let it be. It's does'n matter to me or they were
gay, lesbian or even had a beard or wear glasses. ;-)
Dries
This smells like Coronation Street. UUUGH!
Dries
R.C.
Yer. Do yer know, they say the same about Pete Tchiakovsky too. I don't
believe a word of it.
>
> > : Yeah, that was round about the time Burly Chassis was singing "Kiss me
> > : honey, honey, kiss me". :
> Disgusting. These filthy records should be banned off the wireless,
> in my opinion.
> >: Chas
Yer, yer mean like than Donegan bloke. Sang about dustbins, can't get
filthier than that. A load of rubbish innit!
>On Fri, 8 Feb 2002, in article <hf576u8g00d7mt1vdn9pvdn9vui5eknurd@4ax.c
>om>, (nib...@akbs.fslife.co.uk) wrote
>>On Thu, 07 Feb 2002 23:03:38 GMT, su...@flash.net (Ian) wrote:
>>
>>>I recently heard an interview with a lady(?)on PBR, who'd just
>>>brought out a biography of the late Dusty Springfield.
>>>It was revealed that the singer had been a lesbian ....
>
>>>I'm feeling quite disenchanted and may well take to me bed for a while.
>>
>>Leave orffff !!!
>>
>>Youll be telling us all that Elton John is gay next !!!!!!
>>
>Now, I bet none of you have heard about Marianne Faithful and the Mars
>Bar...
>:-)
I HATE fishy Mars bars
Hey, man, I'm, like, flattered! Ageing Mod? Jeez, I was an ageing Mod twenty
years ago. I'm now head honcho of the geriatrics' branch of Nostalgia Inc
(Berkshire Chapter) - not so much a silver surfer as a
bald-as-a-billiard-ball surfer.
Anyway, you certainly kicked-off a lengthy thread. with your cunningly
disguised piss-take. And there's me thinking that Americans (or expert
limeys) don't do post-modern irony.
Chas
>(what happened to that nice mrs Thatcher, d'you know?)
She went away. Crying.
>
>>: >depression, and given to self-mutilation.
>>:
>>: Yes, but what's so shocking about depression?
>>:
>They tell me it's no laughing matter...
>>: >I'm feeling quite disenchanted and may well take to me bed for a while.
>>:
>>: What with? Depression? I'm shocked!
>>:
>No, no, a hot water bottle, a good romance novel, and a hot cup of cocoa.
Make sure it's only cocoa in your cup.
>
>>: >Ian a Limey now resident in Ft Worth,
TX,
>>:
>>: Jay, a Yankee now resident in London, UK
>>:
>Really?
Yes really
I'd say the States got the better end of that swap,
>wouldn't you!
You *would* say that, wouldn't ya mate?
Jay, Saff London
Well, tainted love is better than none. I suppose. Sweetie.
>:-)
>--
>Molly
>Spammers are like tapeworms: they leech the life from the Internet and
>provide nothing of benefit in return. (
Politicians are like tapeworms. They make me sick, and they're hard to
remove.
Jay Paine
Patricia A. Shaffer)
>: "Ian" <su...@flash.net> wrote in message
>: > I see that quite a few ageing
>: > Mods have done followups (and incidentally provided me with a
>: > chuckle or two!.
>:
>: Aging? AGING!?!?
Well, let's face it, mate, since most of us Rockers were in our late
teens and early twenties in about 1963, and battling Mods of
roughly the same age, and since you all in here have an impressive
knowledge of Sixties music, and since most Mods were into music in
them days, and since that was forty years back, I have to deduce
that most of the inmates in here are ex-Mods, and well advanced into
senility ...
--
Ian Ft Worth, TX, USA
complete with all his own dentures and an incipient bald spot to match...
>: about Marianne Faithful
....
>: > Brian
>:
>: If Brian's discussed this with The Girl on a Motorcycle, then I'm hardly in
>: a position to contradict him. The story that did the rounds at the time,
>: however, was that the chocolate bar in question was actually being devoured,
>: in situ, by M. Jagger Esq.
>: Why let the truth get in the way of a good story?
>:
>: Chas
And, did you notice, it was always related to you by someone who
was a cousin/brother/son
of one of the cops who busted in the door ...
>: Ian <su...@flash.net> schreef in berichtnieuws
>: > (what happened to that nice mrs Thatcher, d'you know?)
>:
>: When I read your message I thought this could be a member of the Conservatif
>: Party. Do you answer this in affirmative?
>:
ummmm ... I might have done in the mid-Fifties, early Sixtiess, but
after Wislon, Heath, and Major ("When you're back is to the wall,
the only thing you can do is turn round and fight"), I got kinda
disillusioned about politicians and political parties.
>: > No, no, a good romance novel.
>: I don't think George Bush didn't ever read a novel.
>:
You mean he can read??? Bloody hell....
>: > Really? I'd say the States got the better end of that swap,
>:
>: Be humble as an American, that's the best way to be accept by the 5 Billion
>: other people in the world.
>:
Strictly speaking, I'm not allowed to be a n American citizen for
two and a half years yet, at present my status is Resident Alien
... shades of mid Fifties movies like It Came From Outer Space,
Invasion of the Boddysnattchers, and I Married a Monster From Outer
Space... by God, they don't make movies like that any more!
>: Dries
>: Molly <nos...@mockfords.clara.co.uk> schreef in berichtnieuws
>:
>: > Now, I bet none of you have heard about Marianne Faithful and the Mars
>: > Bar...
>: Don't!! I like THE MUSIC of Dusty and Marianne Faithful, also Elton John in
>: his early days very much. Let it be. It's does'n matter to me or they were
>: gay, lesbian or even had a beard or wear glasses. ;-)
>:
>: Dries
>:
Quite right, young man. This is a painful subject to many of us in
here, an should be stopped at once.
I myself openly wear glasses, amd am not ashamed of it. Indeed , I am
proud of my glasses-wearing tendencies and flaunt them at every
opportunity.
>: "Brian Watson" <br...@spheroid.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>: > "Molly" <nos...@mockfords.clara.co.uk> wrote in message
>: > > Now, I bet none of you have heard about Marianne Faithful and the Mars
>: > > Bar...
...
>: but were they fun size mars bars or king size?
>:
Is there a gynaecologist in the house?
Second question: how do you spell gynaecologist?
I've often speculated, how the group Georgie Fame and the blue Flames
got that name?
did anyone ever get wind of the reason, I wonder.
--
Ian Ft Worth, TX, USA
"Heinz Meanz Beanz" (Sixties TV advertising slogan)
They *do*. But we know who *they* are now, and we know better than to watch
*their* silly flicks.
This is one advantage of senility. It prevents any application post-modern
ironic veiwing. Saves time. Of which, there is always less, and less, these
days.
Jay
>Second question: how do you spell gynaecologist?
With a dictionary.
Jay
>And, did you notice, it was always related to you by someone who
>was a cousin/brother/son
>of one of the cops who busted in the door ...
No.
Jay
What? Ian, could you please speak up? I didn't quite hear what you wrote.
Jay from London, with an archeaological record of over 15,000 years of
*continuous human habiation*. Pal.
>I've often speculated,
what, with your glasses on? Or off.
how the group Georgie Fame and the blue Flames
>got that name?
>did anyone ever get wind of the reason, I wonder.
Yes Ian, I get your drift. The explanation is quite simple really. But I
just can't remember what it is.....
Oh yes! In 1964, Mitch Mitchell, drummer with Georgie, had a dream which
landed him in May 1968. There, he heard M Jagger singing about a gaz gaz
gaz, white light etc and awakened from dream clasping said moniker to his
memory. He offered the name Blue Flames to Georgie, as an homage to le gaz
et le Jagger. The rest is misery.
Strange as it seems, Mitch went on to drum for Jimi Hendrix. Why strange?
Well in 1966 Jimi Hendrix was fronting his own group Jimmy James and the
Blue Flames. True! What a gaz!
Ruth is Stranger Than Richard! Where *is* Robert Wyatt?
>"Heinz [snip]
Yes, he was good. Bass for the Tornados. Made tastey sandwiches for Joe Meek
as well. Now? Dead. RIP
Jay again. Sorry.
How on earth this this *story* discredit her or The Stones? It only
indicated what good taste they all had.
>but were they fun size mars bars or king size?
King size, *of course*!
Jay "The Candy Man"
You see Ian, that's a prime example of why the use of deduction is a
dangerous activity. It should only be used by full-lisenced practitioners.
Myself? I'm an aging, snotty, lower middle class proto US garage-band punk
granddad. Sonny boy.
>--
>Ian Ft Worth, TX, USA
>complete with all his own dentures and an incipient bald spot to match...
Jay
incomplete with, partial denture and full head of hair.
Yessir!
> I myself openly wear glasses, amd am not ashamed of it. Indeed , I am
> proud of my glasses-wearing tendencies and flaunt them at every
> opportunity.
This is the right correlation to my ironical remarke. This is the way to
response to eachother and after you've did get back to normal. People are
people and it does'n matter if you are white, black, yellow, blue, green or
muddy and even wear glasses or have a beard like I and Dusty Springfield
do. Or didn't she wear a beard? ;-)
Dries
>Now, I bet none of you have heard about Marianne Faithful and the Mars
>Bar...
>:-)
Pah. Unsubstantiated rumour-mongering.
It was a Twix.
--
Dave Hillam
the "reply-to" address is valid,
but please keep replies in the group
>
>I have to deduce
> that most of the inmates in here are ex-Mods, and well advanced into
> senility ...
>
I was too young to be a mod, too scared to be a hippy and too old to be
a punk!
:~)
Mike
>
> >but were they fun size mars bars or king size?
>
> King size, *of course*!
>
Tsk. Any fule kno that there were no kingsize (or 'fun size') Mars Bars
in those days.
Mike
>Tsk. Any fule kno that there were no kingsize (or 'fun size') Mars Bars
>in those days.
>
>Mike
Very true sir. But then again, I'm not just *any* fule.
In those days, *any* Mars Bar was a King size, and much fun as well.
Especially one worn so elegantly by Queen Marianne.
Jay The Confectioner
>Molly wrote in uk.music.sixties on Fri, 8 Feb 2002 20:02:36 +0000
>MID<th2AtDCc...@clara.net>:
>
>>Now, I bet none of you have heard about Marianne Faithful and the Mars
>>Bar...
>>:-)
>
>Pah. Unsubstantiated rumour-mongering.
>
>It was a Twix.
Sideways ???
Correct but was it my imagination or were Mars basr bigger then ??
I used to have a Jubbly every day too
You must have been a skinhead then! Or a greaser!
--
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Created on: Acorn 420/1, 33MHz ARM3, RISCOS 3.1 Running ANT Internet Suite.
Wintel free - Millennium compliant.
--
Now you're just being silly.
For starters, how would you get the wrapper off. ;-)
>Correct but was it my imagination or were Mars basr bigger then ??
>I used to have a Jubbly every day too
Yes! True! Not your imagination. They were actually *bigger*. *Plus*, we
were smaller. Well, I was anyway.
Jay
>
>
>Now you're just being silly.
>For starters, how would you get the wrapper off. ;-)
>
No need. Just use the whole thing. No waste.
Jay
PS. Just saw Queen Marianne on Richard and Judy this evening. Still going.
Still performing. Still ecording. Still smoking. Cigarettes, that is.
Yes, but Marianne supplied that. In abundance.
Jay, aka "Willy Wonka"