Bagleys security
WarpHeD
So how come my girlfriend was "manhandled" by the same female security guard
that she had been a couple of months ago.
I'm sorry but this is just no way to treat people that are paying £14 for
the privelige of entrance.
How many guys would put up with security feeling the lining of their
underwear ??????
When we arrived, about half eleven, there was a huge queue. This we discover
is caused by only one kiosk accepting cash entrance,,,the other kiosk only
dealt with pre-paid credit card bookings. Hey,,now that would really piss me
off,,,,,paid for tickets,,,and still in the same queue as cash paying
punters.
Once this had been negotiated,,,onto security check..............no queue
for the guys,,,,pockets emptied and a quick brush down. Credit due no
problems. However, there must have been a line of approx 30-40 girls,
awaiting their almost intimate examination.
This quite plainly is ridiculous,,,,although i enjoyed the sandmen session,
and the rest of the music in the blue room,,in future we will be investing
our £28 in going to clubs, which offer better value for money, and more
importantly treat you like adult human beings.
i'm not new to the london club scene, and girlfriends of mine have never had
to put up with anything like the treatment dished out at bagleys.......but
while the punters still flock,,it'll carry on,,,,at least it wont affect
myself or my partner anymore.
sorry,,,,but this really needed saying.
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Matt of The Sandmen <san...@spammenot.mindless.com> wrote in message
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> Very different....non agressive, and more laid back....
>
> Bagleys is deifnately changing....it has listened to its punters...
>
>
> WarpHeD <nospam....@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:Ma%b5.571$FA2....@nnrp3.clara.net...
> > will the new security mean you dont get the ins and outs ov a ducks
> asshole
> > checked out when u go in ????
> >
> > i know the reasons for tight security,,,but the treatment in my visits
in
> > the past has been uncomfortable and offputting.
> >
> > --
> > WarpHed
> >
> > http://here.at/world.ov.warphed
> > Matt of The Sandmen <san...@spammenot.mindless.com> wrote in message
> > news:963352469.26192.0...@news.demon.co.uk...
> > >
> > >
> > > After some shortlived departures from the straight and narrow -
Freedom
> @
> > > Bagleys is returning to its original format with the infamous Blue
Room
> > > being reinstated to its rightful position as a leading hard house and
> > trance
> > > room. Long time Freedom residents The Sandmen have been asked to
> programme
> > > this new arena - and play a leading role in delivering the promise
that
> > > Freedom has.
> > >
> > > A new sound system and a new management and security team have also
been
> > > bought in, in response to feedback from the 1500 - 2000 clubbers that
> > still
> > > come to Freedom every week.
> > >
> > > So - the money shots....The Blue Room at Freedom @ Bagleys will line
up
> > like
> > > this for Saturday 15th July....
> > >
> > > 11 - 3 : The Sandmen (Freedom residents)
> > >
> > > 3 - 5 : Simon Eve (Sherbert, Fish, Trinity, Insomniac and React
Records)
> > >
> > > 5 - 7 : Ian Betts (Sleepless, Feersum, Embrace, Ancubanism, Strawberry
> > > Sundae)
> > >
> > > The Main room has :
> > >
> > > Ariel (A9, Freedom resident0
> > > Rob Tissera (Quake)
> > > Lisa Pin Up (Freedom Resident, Nukleuz)
> > >
> > > alongside : Garage Room with all the usual suspects and the Chill Out
> Bar
> > > with Dean Lambert playing club classics.
> > >
> > >
> > > More info on The Sandmen : www.the-sandmen.co.uk
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
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Adam Assinder
got the whole of London to choose from and u go to Bagleys!!!!!!!! I guess
this little experience may inspire u to find somewhere decent to go
clubbing.
James Kerr
<nospam....@hotmail.com> wrote:
>Once this had been negotiated,,,onto security check..............no queue
>for the guys,,,,pockets emptied and a quick brush down. Credit due no
>problems. However, there must have been a line of approx 30-40 girls,
>awaiting their almost intimate examination.
>
>This quite plainly is ridiculous,,,,
...though if something happened in the club, because of some object
that had been smuggled in, there'd be outcry- "security checks not
good enough" they'd shout.
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spend a good night out - not
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Marcia
Adam Assinder <adam_a...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> Well thats your own fault for going to such a shit hole nite club, you ve
> got the whole of London to choose from and u go to Bagleys!!!!!!!! I guess
> this little experience may inspire u to find somewhere decent to go
> clubbing.
>
only did the bouncers not let some drunk guy in (fair enough), but they
proceeded to follow him down the road (out of their territory) and beat him
up, surely that's plain illegal?
Marcia
Nutbag
adam_a...@yahoo.com says...
> Well thats your own fault for going to such a shit hole nite club, you ve
> got the whole of London to choose from and u go to Bagleys!!!!!!!! I guess
> this little experience may inspire u to find somewhere decent to go
> clubbing.
>
>
Surely we are entitled to go where we like without fear of being
assaulted or manhandled by "security". "Somewhere decent" as you put
it, was Bagleys on Saturday. With Sandmen and Ian Betts, Red Stripe sold
at the bar and a convenient location for an easy journey home, me and the
girlfriend fancied it for a night out. I wandered through security with
the gentlest of pat downs, then waited ten minutes while the girlfriend
was subjected to a half search/half grope.
I'll tell her it was her own fault. Thanks for your opinion, invaluable.
Andy
Spar on Deja
james...@lineone.net wrote:
> On Sun, 16 Jul 2000 18:54:27 +0100, "WarpHeD"
> <nospam....@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> >Once this had been negotiated,,,onto security check..............no
queue
> >for the guys,,,,pockets emptied and a quick brush down. Credit due no
> >problems. However, there must have been a line of approx 30-40 girls,
> >awaiting their almost intimate examination.
> >
> >This quite plainly is ridiculous,,,,
>
> ...though if something happened in the club, because of some object
> that had been smuggled in, there'd be outcry- "security checks not
> good enough" they'd shout.
Yesh, right - isn't it amazing what arsenal girls can manage to stuff
into their knicker lining whilst queueing outside clubs: machette, Uzi
submachine gun, chainsaw, BFG9000 etc etc
I wholeheartedly agree with you, lets keep these heavy artillery-toting
Lara Croft wannabees out of the clubs ;-)
Simon
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Before you buy.
Matt of The Sandmen
as an organisation - I am a DJ, employed by Freedom to play at its night -
now I have been given the opportunity to host a room in (whatever may be
said) what is one of Londons biggest nights. I must have a right of reply on
this, especially as I appear to have stirred up a hornets nest about an
event which I am involved in.
> So how come my girlfriend was "manhandled" by the same female security
guard
> that she had been a couple of months ago.
Well - firstly I'm surprised by this - I don't recognise anyone (excluding a
couple of non-security staff) at Freedom anymore...
>
> When we arrived, about half eleven, there was a huge queue. This we
discover
> is caused by only one kiosk accepting cash entrance,,,the other kiosk only
> dealt with pre-paid credit card bookings. Hey,,now that would really piss
me
> off,,,,,paid for tickets,,,and still in the same queue as cash paying
> punters.
>
The queue was long - I think the increase in attendance to club (possibly
bought on by the addition of our new room) had taken people by surprise,
recent fall off in attendance was partially reversed by one simple change to
the club - the reinstatement of our room and its new line up of DJ's
> Once this had been negotiated,,,onto security check..............no queue
> for the guys,,,,pockets emptied and a quick brush down. Credit due no
> problems. However, there must have been a line of approx 30-40 girls,
> awaiting their almost intimate examination.
>
> This quite plainly is ridiculous,,,,although i enjoyed the sandmen
session,
> and the rest of the music in the blue room,,in future we will be investing
> our £28 in going to clubs, which offer better value for money, and more
> importantly treat you like adult human beings.
>
I have many friends who came to the club - some not clubbers, some regulars
who came on Saturday because we had opened the new room, and to give them my
support....and none complained of this search...I submit that not everything
is perfect at Bagleys, but we have had a lot of input into the changes and
some if not all are being adopted because of our (and punters feedback into
the club).
> i'm not new to the london club scene, and girlfriends of mine have never
had
> to put up with anything like the treatment dished out at bagleys.......but
> while the punters still flock,,it'll carry on,,,,at least it wont affect
> myself or my partner anymore.
>
Your choice to not come is plainly yours - and thats what makes clubland
what it is - a place for choice, and polarisation of opinions that means we
have our many stranded culture - but I do object to the slagging of a club
that earns me a living - and keeps my career as a DJ where I want it to be -
it may not be perfect...but there were an awful lot of people listening to
my set, Simon Eve and Ian Betts on Saturday who didn't appear to traumatised
by their 'invasive' searches. I doubt there is a club in London where no-one
complains about being searched...I don't like it, but just treat it as a
necessary evil at some clubs.
> sorry,,,,but this really needed saying.
> --
I appreciate your feedback, but I would've appreciated a handshake, and a
word in my ear on Saturday....maybe we could have checked out what was
happening together and even addressed the issue at source...but your bravery
didn't stretch that far....just to a nice broadcasty post on our PLURry
newsgroup to slag off where I work.
Maybe I should go back to lurking instead of advertising my big break in a
club and booking more underground DJ's in an attempt to work from the inside
at one of our more commercial clubs.
> WarpHed
>
>
>
Matt of The Sandmen
argument about the security - yes there have been problems...but thinsg are
changing....
Mook <bdsspA...@btinternet.com> wrote in message
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> yeah i remember back in 95 someone getting stabbed there - just the way to
> spend a good night out - not
>
> Adam Assinder <adam_a...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:B597D1E0.2949%adam_a...@yahoo.com...
Matt of The Sandmen
I hear your comments...please read my other reply for a more considered
response...
Be nice to hear if you enjoyed yourself once past the secuirty..?
Matt
Nutbag <an...@sleepless.co.uk> wrote in message
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> In article <B597D1E0.2949%adam_a...@yahoo.com>,
> adam_a...@yahoo.com says...
> > Well thats your own fault for going to such a shit hole nite club, you
ve
> > got the whole of London to choose from and u go to Bagleys!!!!!!!! I
guess
> > this little experience may inspire u to find somewhere decent to go
> > clubbing.
> >
> >
>
>
Crash Kitten
anybody up. Doormen are supposed to be for the protection of punters not there to be frightened of.
I have a few friends who are doormen and there is no way they behave like that, at the end of the
night they prefer to go home after an easy night and not have to get blood stains out of their
shirts. The problem is not enough punters report the assholes who beat them up to the police.
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Adam Assinder <adam_a...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> Well thats your own fault for going to such a shit hole nite club, you ve
> got the whole of London to choose from and u go to Bagleys!!!!!!!! I guess
> this little experience may inspire u to find somewhere decent to go
> clubbing.
>
Crash Kitten
there is no way I would be degraded like that.
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"James Kerr" <james...@lineone.netNOSPAM!!!> wrote in message
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On Sun, 16 Jul 2000 18:54:27 +0100, "WarpHeD"
<nospam....@hotmail.com> wrote:
>Once this had been negotiated,,,onto security check..............no queue
>for the guys,,,,pockets emptied and a quick brush down. Credit due no
>problems. However, there must have been a line of approx 30-40 girls,
>awaiting their almost intimate examination.
>
>This quite plainly is ridiculous,,,,
...though if something happened in the club, because of some object
that had been smuggled in, there'd be outcry- "security checks not
good enough" they'd shout.
--
Alex Buell
> Yesh, right - isn't it amazing what arsenal girls can manage to stuff
> into their knicker lining whilst queueing outside clubs: machette, Uzi
> submachine gun, chainsaw, BFG9000 etc etc
If you'd seen the medical x-rays that have been taken of foreign objects
stuck in the internal region, you wouldn't be so sure, mate.
(having once seen a x-ray of an American coke-cola bottle measuring 9"
long completely stuck in the vaginal tract.. or how about this: concrete
poured into the rectal tract! There's definitely very strange people
about..)
Cheers,
Alex
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Giles Toman
<adam_a...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>Well thats your own fault for going to such a shit hole nite club, you ve
>got the whole of London to choose from and u go to Bagleys!!!!!!!! I guess
>this little experience may inspire u to find somewhere decent to go
>clubbing.
I used to go to Freedom at Bagley's regularly a couple of years ago,
and never had any problems with the security, despite the stories and
rumours of their viciousness, especially if they caught people dealing
/ carrying in any quantity of anything.
The music was always OK though.
I don't go there any more because I've discovered better places to go.
Like Pendragon last weekend. What a top night!
Giles..
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Caz
> New security !!!!!!!?????????
>
> So how come my girlfriend was "manhandled" by the same female security
guard
> that she had been a couple of months ago.
>
> the privelige of entrance.
Bagleys was my first ever 'outing', but I stopped going after they searched
inside my bra!!!!!! and took the contents (well they did leave my boob :-)
The security were awful, they used to go into the loos and look over the
cubicles, confiscate stuff and resell it!!!! I would never go there again.
Caz
Spar on Remarq
hehe, sounds like you've been lurking on a (un)healthy number of
a.p.b.e.* newsgroups :-)
PLUR
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WarpHeD
limited amount ov influence over the security and running ov bagleys in
general....it certainly wasn't meant to be a personal dig.
however, if you remember it was your "broadcasty" post that indicated that
security arrangements at the club had changed,,,,and in my view, i felt
misled, as my girlfriend is quite adamant that it was definitely the same
girl sticking her thumbs up under my girlfriends breasts.
the thought of trying to track you down and express these views personally
did cross my mind, but to be honest at that point of the night, we were more
concerned with enjoying ourselves, rather than dwelling on it at the time.
to suggest that "my bravery didnt stretch that far" is in my opinion,
insulting. i copied my posts to this group to you personally, enabling
firstly a personal right to reply, and secondly, to give you a first hand
account of what goes on whilst entering the club.
the other postings that have been placed by people that have also
experienced bagleys security, seem to back my view.......
i'd also like to say,,that we weren't "traumatised",,,its just that we feel
that this style of female search is over the top, and uncalled for. it just
doesn't happen at other clubs,, but if so,,i'd be interested to know where.
this was an opinion that we thought, you, and other clubbers should be aware
of....surely one of the main reasons for the use of this newsgroup is to
share club experiences....good and bad.
other than my value for money comment (i don't think anyone can deny that
£14 admission is expensive), my post wasn't slagging the club, once inside
we had a good time, but an honest account of what goes on outside.
as i said right at the start,,,i know you can only do so
much,,,congratulations on your big break, and i wish you every success,,,i
just think your room could be even bigger, and you would be even more
successful, if these comments were passed on to your employers, rather than
dismissed as a "slag off". i appreciate that it's dangerous to bite the hand
that feeds........but don't shoot the messenger eh ??!!
WarpHed
http://here.at/world.ov.warphed
Matt of The Sandmen <san...@spammenot.mindless.com> wrote in message
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> Firstly - I must make the point that I am in no way connected with Bagleys
> as an organisation - I am a DJ, employed by Freedom to play at its night -
> now I have been given the opportunity to host a room in (whatever may be
> said) what is one of Londons biggest nights. I must have a right of reply
on
> this, especially as I appear to have stirred up a hornets nest about an
> event which I am involved in.
>
> > So how come my girlfriend was "manhandled" by the same female security
> guard
> > that she had been a couple of months ago.
>
> Well - firstly I'm surprised by this - I don't recognise anyone (excluding
a
> couple of non-security staff) at Freedom anymore...
>
> >
> > When we arrived, about half eleven, there was a huge queue. This we
> discover
> > is caused by only one kiosk accepting cash entrance,,,the other kiosk
only
> > dealt with pre-paid credit card bookings. Hey,,now that would really
piss
> me
> > off,,,,,paid for tickets,,,and still in the same queue as cash paying
> > punters.
> >
>
> The queue was long - I think the increase in attendance to club (possibly
> bought on by the addition of our new room) had taken people by surprise,
> recent fall off in attendance was partially reversed by one simple change
to
> the club - the reinstatement of our room and its new line up of DJ's
>
> > Once this had been negotiated,,,onto security check..............no
queue
> > for the guys,,,,pockets emptied and a quick brush down. Credit due no
> > problems. However, there must have been a line of approx 30-40 girls,
> > awaiting their almost intimate examination.
> >
Nutbag
san...@spammenot.mindless.com says...
> Andy...
> Be nice to hear if you enjoyed yourself once past the secuirty..?
Ahh yes.. I did miss of the most important bit of my post..
It will take more than a few over-zealous door-staff to detract from a
nights enjoyment for me and my gf.... Some people let it wreck their
whole night, I tend to ignore it and get on with what I do best, giving
it plenty of LArGE.. I've had my nuts felt at Bagleys before and at
Camden, I'm not saying I enjoyed it (!) but I did enjoy seing the face of
security-bloke as he shoved his hand down my troosers expecting to find a
bag of pills and getting a bag of, well, something else.. :) Fuck 'em.
They are working on the door, probably not enjoying themselves, dealing
with the general public who can be quite hard work at times.
Particularly those who are drunk or over-munted and incapable of looking
after their own safety, let alone others. On the whole, I can ignore
doormen and pretend they aren't there..
The blue room rocked, plenty. I sweated and jumped around quite a lot,
the music being hard and bouncy, a nice smattering of trance throughout
to keep me happy. Much more so than the other two rooms which seemed to
lack the enthusiasm from punters and Dj's that I like for a good night.
The bunker bar had a few good funky oldish tunes and it was nice to get
out of the way a bit :) The main room also provided some excellent
tunes, cheesy in places but seemed to contain a lot of people shuffling
around rather than bouncing..
I'll certainly be back. Bagleys holds a lot of fond memories for me, Mud
Club being a regular haunt when I was a clubbing virgin.. They also sell
Red Stripe. Yesssss.
Andy
Alex Buell
> hehe, sounds like you've been lurking on a (un)healthy number of
> a.p.b.e.* newsgroups :-)
Nah, alt.tasteless actually.
Cheers,
Alex
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k>, Alex Buell <alex....@tahallah.clara.co.uk> writes
>(having once seen a x-ray of an American coke-cola bottle measuring 9"
>long completely stuck in the vaginal tract.. or how about this: concrete
>poured into the rectal tract!
Naaah, easy! This happens to me whenever I eat nachos.
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> Alex Buell <alex....@tahallah.clara.co.uk> writes
>
> >(having once seen a x-ray of an American coke-cola bottle measuring 9"
> >long completely stuck in the vaginal tract.. or how about this: concrete
> >poured into the rectal tract!
>
> Naaah, easy! This happens to me whenever I eat nachos.
I'm not sure we needed to know that, John.
N.
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deginge
> to ensure a monopoly for their own dealers in the club.
cynic? dont u mean realist?
btw hi, i'm new around these parts ;)
deginge
Andy Pearmund
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> btw hi, i'm new around these parts ;)
hiya tom
I wondered how long it would take you :-)
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"deginge" <deg...@dont.spam.my.junglist.org> wrote:
> > A cynic would probably allege that they were more likely to be
trying
> > to ensure a monopoly for their own dealers in the club.
>
> cynic? dont u mean realist?
Exactly, a cynic would have deeper suspicions that any club with harsh
anti-munter security was looking to boost their own stock of wares to
flog inside. Such practices are known as "punting out" - and apparently
are quite common in London. One of the reasons why its a rarity for me
to attend London clubs ...
deginge
hehe.. well u know, a couple of days reading the posts and i was starting to
feel like a lurker ;)
deginge
deginge
> anti-munter security was looking to boost their own stock of wares to
> flog inside. Such practices are known as "punting out" - and apparently
> are quite common in London.
only in the more commercial places though (usually!).. there is still much
fun to be had in our fair city! ;)
deginge
Mook
That's all there is to it - not to much to consider - just my own own
personal safety. And that means for me not going back to Bagleys, which you
may feel is my loss but so be it.
Matt of The Sandmen <san...@spammenot.mindless.com> wrote in message
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> Hmmm five years ago...please see my other post for a more considered
> argument about the security - yes there have been problems...but thinsg
are
> changing....
>
>
> Mook <bdsspA...@btinternet.com> wrote in message
> news:8ktaeg$2jp$1...@neptunium.btinternet.com...
> > yeah i remember back in 95 someone getting stabbed there - just the way
to
> > spend a good night out - not
> >
> > Adam Assinder <adam_a...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> > news:B597D1E0.2949%adam_a...@yahoo.com...
[~\ mike /~]
<s.a.f...@btinternet.com> writes
>
>Bagleys was my first ever 'outing', but I stopped going after they searched
>inside my bra!!!!!!
Security staff have absolutely no right to look inside your bra and if
it was done without your consent, you could sue for assault.
Trouble is, with these kind of wanky clubs, you either accept their
intrusive terms or don't get in.
That's why whenever I see a club with that kind of security around, I
don't go in.
Here's a bit off my website:
"Entering the club
Clubs have the right to search anyone entering their premises, and must
provide searchers of both sexes. They can refuse entry to anyone who
refuses a search and can only insist on searching outside clothes,
pockets or bags.
They must conduct the search in a decent manner and with respect to the
individual. They cannot insist on a more intimate search without your
permission. Legally, they can only conduct strip searches and searches
inside clothes with your permission in private with an independent
witness.
Only the police or customs and excise officials are empowered to search
you without agreement - if a door supervisor searches inside your
clothes or performs a strip search without your permission they may be
charged with assault. "
Mike
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