Grrr - Bloody Celestion Web Site - Speaker help required!
James Shackley
I've just used the Celestion 'Tone Library' to try and work out what speaker
i'd like to fit to my Blues Junior....
What a load of rubbish!! - How can the tone library be of any use if all of
the samples are recorded with different setups? Surely the idea is that you
should be able to hear the 'natural' sound of the speaker? Instead, your
head has to get used to a different guitar, different amp and WILDLY
different gain settings....
So - anyone here got any recommendations? doesn't HAVE to be Celestion...
'Tis a Fender Blues Junior (12" Speaker) and i play mostly blues and some
classic rock - Think either Peter Green tones or some of Mark Knopflers -
that's what i like...
I use a Strat, fitted with Texas Specials and enjoy horseriding and the odd
game of cribbage ;-)
Cheers,
James
steve at fivetrees
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> 'Tis a Fender Blues Junior (12" Speaker) and i play mostly blues and some
> classic rock - Think either Peter Green tones or some of Mark Knopflers -
> that's what i like...
James - you're wonderful and can I have your babies?
Steve
(a Peter Green nut)
http://www.fivetrees.com
Richard Brooks
>
> I've just used the Celestion 'Tone Library' to try and work out what
speaker
> i'd like to fit to my Blues Junior....
>
> What a load of rubbish!! - How can the tone library be of any use if all
of
> the samples are recorded with different setups? Surely the idea is that
you
> should be able to hear the 'natural' sound of the speaker? Instead, your
> head has to get used to a different guitar, different amp and WILDLY
> different gain settings....
>
> So - anyone here got any recommendations? doesn't HAVE to be Celestion...
If they had (say) 2 samples for each speaker:
1) Strat and Fender amp set clean
2) Les Paul and Marshall cranked
That would give a fair idea of how each speaker performs under situations
people can relate to.
Anyway, based on the fact that no one had a bad word to say about them, I've
ordered some Fane speakers. These are for a 2 x 12 cab in favour of the
existing Celestion GT 75's. I'm hoping to try them out this weekend (if they
arrive in time!).
Went for the Axiom AX12 150 in the end, partly due to their alleged 103db
sensitivity. Should be loud compared to the 97db I'm used to for the
Celestions! :-)
I'll probably post a quick review in due course if anyone is interested.
What the hell, I'll post one anyway...
If you want the vintage vibe and have more money to burn, Fane also do the
Axiom Alnico 12.
Cheers
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Jose de las Heras
"James Shackley" <james.s...@virgin.net> wrote in message
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Hi James,
I can't help you to hear the different speakers, but I'm probably having a
Celestion G12 Century (8 ohm) for sale very soon. If you are interested drop
me an email...
Jose
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neil
I found Celestion bloody useless. I am trying to design speaker cabs and
spent some time choosing drivers. Celestion were absolutely crap, they
promised a call from a rep (twice) and it never happened. I also agree that
the tone CD is a waste of time.
In the end I got the Centuries they are good sounding, light & sensitive,
but to my ears bright. I am also playing with the G12H & G12T75, I reckon I
will end with mixed drivers in the cab.
Long term, I will try NOY yo use Celestion, simply because they didn't help
me when I needed it.
(end of rant, I feel better now)
Neil
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T N Nurse
"Richard Brooks" <Nobod...@deadspam.com> wrote:
Yes, please do. How much were they?
Stewart Ward
<james.s...@virgin.net> writes
>So - anyone here got any recommendations? doesn't HAVE to be Celestion...
>
>'Tis a Fender Blues Junior (12" Speaker) and i play mostly blues and some
>classic rock - Think either Peter Green tones or some of Mark Knopflers -
>that's what i like...
Yeah... the ClassicLead 80. I use one in my amp and I play blues too.
Out of all, I find it has the best overall tonal balance. Big magnet,
100db (loud), fairly heavy, 8 or 16 ohms. £46.50 + £8.95 cartage.
--
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Tel: +44 1256 477 222
24th year of Session amplifiers!
Stewart Ward
<phil...@lineone.NOspAMnet> writes
>I found Celestion bloody useless. I am trying to design speaker cabs and
>spent some time choosing drivers. Celestion were absolutely crap, they
>promised a call from a rep (twice) and it never happened. I also agree that
>the tone CD is a waste of time.
>
>In the end I got the Centuries they are good sounding, light & sensitive,
>but to my ears bright. I am also playing with the G12H & G12T75, I reckon I
>will end with mixed drivers in the cab.
>
>Long term, I will try NOY yo use Celestion, simply because they didn't help
>me when I needed it.
>
>(end of rant, I feel better now)
>
>Neil
Neil,
That's why I sell Celestion speakers. It's my job to look after that
end of the biz for them. Call me!
David Barlow
very sensitive (read LOUD) and about 300 time better than the EV that was in
it before....I like 'em. I also have a Vintage 30 in my Cornford...like that
too.
Not much help am I.
Dave
David Morton
drba...@lineone.net (David Barlow) wrote:
> I fitted a G12 Century to a Boogie cab for my UniValve.
Does anyone make a 1x12 cab with an 8 Ohm G12 Century in it?
Failing that, does anyone know of a cost effective source of decent
*empty* 1x12 cabs? Maplin used to do them, but a) they weren't very
nice and b) they've stopped.
John K
you play the various sounds through your own set-up - computer speakers,
headphones or whatever - surely you are not in fact hearing what the actual
speaker can do? Rather you are hearing a coloured version, played through
your own probably inferior small speakers. Or am I missing something? Come
on, hit me with all the points I have missed here.
John Kelly
neil
I wanted the same as you & didn't find anything I liked. Then I got
interested in ax84.com and to cut a long story short decided to make my own,
I bought a book on making speakers from London Power and got on with it
(well its still "work in progress" at the mo').
I subsequently learned that my local cabinet makers could have made them for
me. It would have been a lot easier, but I would still need to finish them.
It is really quite expensive actually, I used top quality plywood and I
guess the plywood alone was Ł35 for a very large 1 x 12, so by the time it
is finished I reckon on Ł70 + labour + driver.
So, if you know what you want, it may be worth comissioning a cabinet
maker.
HTH
Neil
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James Shackley
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Hi Stewart - was hoping you'd reply!
Would you recommend this over a Century? I'm keen on those because of the
weight (i am a complete wuss and have 4 flights of stairs to get to our
band's rehersal space!)
All being well i will be in touch via phone soon! ;-)
Cheers,
James
PCollen
>
> I've just used the Celestion 'Tone Library' to try and work out what speaker
> i'd like to fit to my Blues Junior....
I ultimately chose the Jensen C12N re-issue speaker. This, because I
wanted to maintain the Fender-type tone from the amp, and because I
heard that speaker in the new Fender Pro Reverb amp and thought it
sounded excellent. Personally, I don't think Celestion speakers sound
right in Fender amps. YOMBD...
> What a load of rubbish!! - How can the tone library be of any use if all of
> the samples are recorded with different setups? Surely the idea is that you
> should be able to hear the 'natural' sound of the speaker? Instead, your
> head has to get used to a different guitar, different amp and WILDLY
> different gain settings....
Agreed...things should be constant/consistent from one demo to the
next, save for the speaker itself.
> So - anyone here got any recommendations? doesn't HAVE to be Celestion...
Again, Jensen C12N re-issue. Used in the new Fender Pro Reverb amp.
Find one to demo if you can...
grant
>
> Hi Stewart - was hoping you'd reply!
>
> Would you recommend this over a Century? I'm keen on those because of
the
> weight (i am a complete wuss and have 4 flights of stairs to get to
our
> band's rehersal space!)
>
My Century arrived yesterday - it's much lighter than the speaker it
replaced, however once fitted in the Bandit the overall % weight
reduction is less dramatic. I use G12T-75s and Vintage 30s with a
Marshall and (NB I haven't tried either of these speakers in the Bandit)
the Century sounds closer to the Vintage 30s, loud and bright. It's
certainly made a significant improvement to the amp.
Grant.
Richard Brooks
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<snip>
> Yes, please do. How much were they?
I haven't got the paperwork to hand, but I think they're something like £53
each. I've only paid a deposit so far as I ordered them through my mate who
originally recommended them to me.
Currently I have 3 speaker cabs (1x12, 2x12, 4x12) and they are all loaded
with Celestion GT 75 speakers, so I was tempted to try something different.
Also, I've ordered two 4 ohm speakers so I can run the cab as a mono 8 ohm
or stereo 4 ohm. With the existing Celestions the cab is 8 ohm Mono but 16
ohm stereo, which isn't much use for an alternative amp set-up I want to
try.
I'm hoping that the Fanes will live up to expectations as being great
sounding British made speakers and that they will also be LOUD!
:-)
David Morton
phil...@lineone.NOspAMnet (neil) wrote:
> I subsequently learned that my local cabinet makers could have made
> them for
> me. It would have been a lot easier, but I would still need to
finish
> them.
> It is really quite expensive actually, I used top quality plywood
and I
> guess the plywood alone was £35 for a very large 1 x 12, so by the
time
> it
> is finished I reckon on £70 + labour + driver.
>
> So, if you know what you want, it may be worth comissioning a
cabinet
> maker.
Yes, I can see that's worth investigating, especially in my case
because I am utter CRAP at DIY.
Better still would be to find a cabinet maker who's done this kind of
thing before. Anyone know of someone?
Steve Robinson
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> Hi David,
>
> I wanted the same as you & didn't find anything I liked. Then I got
> interested in ax84.com
Did you build an amp?
Steve.
neil
I saw this a while back. Mabe OK, but I haven't used them.
Neil
http://www.findit.co.uk/music/instruments/623374.htm
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neil
I really took ages to get all the bits together. I'm making the standard P1
rev11, and when (if) it works I plan on making it a High Octane.
I'm building it as a head, and I am using an 1 x 12 detuned cab, driver is
TBC, but will be one of the following G12H (suspect this will be the one),
Century, & G12T75. Later (when I find one cheapish) I'd like to try an 15"
driver but I guess this may be bass heavy.
Neil.
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Steve Robinson
> It is (like so much in my life) work in progress.
>
> I really took ages to get all the bits together.
That's the really hard bit!
> I'm making the standard P1 rev11,
I made one a couple of years ago. Mine's configured as a combo with an 8"
Jensen speaker.
> and when (if) it works I plan on making it a High Octane.
I thought about upgrading it to High Octane specs for added fun but I don't
really want the high gain and didn't want to dismantle my nice amp! My next
build (when the transformers arrive) will be a 2xEL84 design.
If you'd like any help with your build let me know.
Cheers,
Steve.
Stewart Ward
<james.s...@virgin.net> writes
>Would you recommend this over a Century? I'm keen on those because of the
>weight (i am a complete wuss and have 4 flights of stairs to get to our
>band's rehersal space!)
Well, as a percentage of the amps weight, it probably won't make a huge
difference. The Blues Jnr. is a fairly small amp and I find the
Century works best in a bigger box, IMHO. It is brighter than the
ClassicLead 80, and could sound a little hard for your style.
Andy Dempster
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> T N Nurse <tnnurse...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> <snip>
> > Yes, please do. How much were they?
>
> I haven't got the paperwork to hand, but I think they're something like
£53
> each. I've only paid a deposit so far as I ordered them through my mate
who
> originally recommended them to me.
>
> Currently I have 3 speaker cabs (1x12, 2x12, 4x12) and they are all loaded
> with Celestion GT 75 speakers, so I was tempted to try something
different.
Richard, I'd love to try your speaker cabs with my new amp head sometime.
I have considered trading my Celestion Silver 60's up to GT75's.
Also do you find the 2 x 12 has more "presence" than the 4 x 12?
Andy_D
(fellow Bristle resident)
Richard Brooks
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>
> Richard, I'd love to try your speaker cabs with my new amp head sometime.
> I have considered trading my Celestion Silver 60's up to GT75's.
>
> Also do you find the 2 x 12 has more "presence" than the 4 x 12?
>
> Andy_D
> (fellow Bristle resident)
To be honest the main reason I started using a 2x12 was out of space
considerations when we lost the use of the van to lug the big items to gigs.
Although I like playing through a 4x12, I didn't notice and degradation in
sound though. This is probably because the 1936 cab is about 3/4 the size of
a 4x12, plus I like to run in true stereo. 2x12 behind me and a 1x12 on the
other side of the stage. I've found I get a much bigger sound this way than
just running through a 4x12.
The GT75's should be a good step up from the Silver series, which I believe
are their budget range. If you are considering some, there's a good chance I
will have a pair going spare soon!
The Fanes have arrived and they look pretty goddam sexy :-)
Now to find out what they sound like. The Trout at Keynsham will be my
testing ground tomorrow night...
Steve Dix
<Nobod...@deadspam.com> wrote:
>
>Now to find out what they sound like. The Trout at Keynsham will be my
>testing ground tomorrow night...
>
Keynsham..? Spelt K-E-Y......
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> On Fri, 2 May 2003 16:25:28 +0100, "Richard Brooks"
> <Nobod...@deadspam.com> wrote:
>
> >
> >Now to find out what they sound like. The Trout at Keynsham will be my
> >testing ground tomorrow night...
> >
>
> Keynsham..? Spelt K-E-Y......
>
> ;-> (Bet Jim gets this)
...and me - Horace, wasn't it?
George
Steve Dix
Yes!
Stewart Ward
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>Keynsham..? Spelt K-E-Y......
You forgot "Horace Bachelor, Dept 4..." comes first!
Alex Knight
usually lack of bass. I rang Charlie Watkins a few years ago asking what
speaker to put in my Burman 501 ( to replace an Electrovoice ) and he
suggested the ClassicLead80. It has a very good sounding top end and tonal
balance, but the bass end is better than anything else I've used - it really
firms things up - highly recommended.
Alex