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Richard Brooks

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Nov 11, 2002, 6:02:27 PM11/11/02
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Has anyone played one of these amps?

Allegedly leave those naff MK50 things in the dust :-)

Seriously though, they have a tasty spec (with price to match) and I'd love
to at least try one, but I'm not aware of any stockists around Bristol.

Of course if I try one I might like it. A lot. Perhaps more than the other
"sensible" things I should spend money on...

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Andy Dempster

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Nov 12, 2002, 4:05:41 AM11/12/02
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On Mon, 11 Nov 2002 23:02:27 -0000, "Richard Brooks"
<Nobod...@deadspam.com> wrote:

>Has anyone played one of these amps?
>
>Allegedly leave those naff MK50 things in the dust :-)
>
>Seriously though, they have a tasty spec (with price to match) and I'd love
>to at least try one, but I'm not aware of any stockists around Bristol.
>
>Of course if I try one I might like it. A lot. Perhaps more than the other
>"sensible" things I should spend money on...
>

I saw one being demo'd at Music Live on Saturday. The sounds were
impressive, smooth distortion with good clear dynamics. I think it was
being played by Aynsley Lister, who's new album is produced by ex-Hoax
guitarist, Jesse Davey. The sound was very bluesy, but having seen
Blackfire (albiet a while ago, I am a Bristol man meself) I would have
said its probably not for you. Go for the Mk50 or stick with Marshall!

Andy_D


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Richard Brooks

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Nov 12, 2002, 12:48:12 PM11/12/02
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Andy Dempster <zen...@zen.co.uk> wrote in message
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>
> I saw one being demo'd at Music Live on Saturday. The sounds were
> impressive, smooth distortion with good clear dynamics. I think it was
> being played by Aynsley Lister, who's new album is produced by ex-Hoax
> guitarist, Jesse Davey. The sound was very bluesy, but having seen
> Blackfire (albiet a while ago, I am a Bristol man meself) I would have
> said its probably not for you. Go for the Mk50 or stick with Marshall!
>
> Andy_D

Thanks. The blurb on the Hellcat actually makes it sound like a higher gain
amp than the MK50:

"The idea behind the "Hellcat" was to push the boundaries of boutique amp
making to their very limits, taking it to where no boutique amp has been
before. Channel 2 takes you to every point on the vintage amp scale with
just the turn of the gain control where as channel 1 takes you to a place
that no boutique amp has ever dared visit. A boutique amp that does metal?
And all points in between and it does it all in that very special Cornford
way. None more brown and most definitely the tone by which all others must
be judged."

Of course it could well be down to the style of the person who you saw
playing. Or maybe not.

I believe the closest stockist to me is Cranes, all the way over the Severn
bridge in darkest Cardiff. Apparently they have 2 on order of which one is
already sold, so I really don't know when I'll get the chance to try one.
And it's WAY too much money for me to just order one on spec.

Ah well, at least you didn't say that having seen Blackfire you think we
should give up! :-) I trust you were entertained?

icarusi

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Nov 12, 2002, 5:10:07 PM11/12/02
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Richard Brooks <Nobod...@deadspam.com> wrote in message
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> Thanks. The blurb on the Hellcat actually makes it sound like a
higher gain
> amp than the MK50:
>
> "The idea behind the "Hellcat" was to push the boundaries of
boutique amp
> making to their very limits, taking it to where no boutique amp
has been
> before. Channel 2 takes you to every point on the vintage amp
scale with
> just the turn of the gain control where as channel 1 takes you
to a place
> that no boutique amp has ever dared visit. A boutique amp that
does metal?
> And all points in between and it does it all in that very
special Cornford
> way. None more brown and most definitely the tone by which all
others must
> be judged."
>
> Of course it could well be down to the style of the person who
you saw
> playing. Or maybe not.

I didn't hear the Hellcat but got a good look at it. It has EL84s
(4No)rather than the EL34s (2No?) of the MK50. It also has a
spring reverb mounted in the roof of the casing (front-to-back)
with IIRC gold plated jacks connecting the tank to the chassis. I
did ask why the Hellcat was more expensive than the MK50 and they
said it had more parts, or something. It has got 2 more valve
bases and a more tapped output TX. According to the leaflet the
price includes footswitch and 4 leads (f/s, power, speaker &
guitar) but I don't know if the MK50 includes these.

Icarusi
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David Barlow

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Nov 13, 2002, 3:55:54 AM11/13/02
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I'd agree with you here, the blurb and the real amp dont seem to
coincide. I was expecting the Cornford equivalent of Rectifier sounds
but its a much more vintage sounding amp (great sounding of course).

I'm gravitating towards a MK50 for full on rock sounds even if I'll have
to have it plugged in a couple of miles away because its soooooooo loud.

What I'd really like is for them to take my Hurricane and make it twin
channel, the new channel being a cascaded gain Boogie style one, the
other can stay just as it is now.

Dave

Stewart Ward

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Nov 13, 2002, 6:19:24 AM11/13/02
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In article <3dd13d22$0$13368$cc9e...@news.dial.pipex.com>, Richard
Brooks <Nobod...@deadspam.com> writes

>"The idea behind the "Hellcat" was to push the boundaries of boutique amp
>making to their very limits, taking it to where no boutique amp has been
>before. Channel 2 takes you to every point on the vintage amp scale with
>just the turn of the gain control where as channel 1 takes you to a place
>that no boutique amp has ever dared visit. A boutique amp that does metal?
>And all points in between and it does it all in that very special Cornford
>way. None more brown and most definitely the tone by which all others must
>be judged."
>
>Of course it could well be down to the style of the person who you saw
>playing. Or maybe not.

I was not at all impressed by the demo artist (or his sound) in dirty
jeans playing on their stage and promoting his CD at MusicLive.

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Nov 13, 2002, 6:23:07 AM11/13/02
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In article <aqt44o$d4gdr$2...@ID-73510.news.dfncis.de>, David Barlow
<drba...@lineone.net> writes

>What I'd really like is for them to take my Hurricane and make it twin
>channel, the new channel being a cascaded gain Boogie style one, the
>other can stay just as it is now.

I'm being serious here. Come to Basingstoke and compare your amp with
one of my twin channel Sessionettes... you *will* be impressed if you're
a real player. And don't forget, we work with players like the
Hellecasters. Save some dosh, be reliable and less weight!

Well?

.clive.murray.

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Nov 13, 2002, 7:57:52 AM11/13/02
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"David Barlow" <drba...@lineone.net> wrote in message
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> I'd agree with you here, the blurb and the real amp dont seem to
> coincide. I was expecting the Cornford equivalent of Rectifier sounds
> but its a much more vintage sounding amp (great sounding of course).
>
> I'm gravitating towards a MK50 for full on rock sounds even if I'll have
> to have it plugged in a couple of miles away because its soooooooo loud.


mmmm... mk50.

mine is now resting at casa whitaker.

I am moist.

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David Barlow

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Nov 13, 2002, 9:01:54 AM11/13/02
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Stewart it was a real shame you couldn't make it to Wigan because I
would have loved to try some of your amps out. Contrary to my current
amp stash I am not a total-tube-head, if it sounds great it is great
(though I admit its hard to brown your toast on the back of most tranny
amps). I record with Line6 stuff and have owned pedals and amps produced
by you in the past. I look forward to trying them again in the future.

As to whether I'm a "real player" or not you had perhaps better ask some
of the other guys here.....<G>

Dave


David Barlow

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Nov 13, 2002, 9:02:21 AM11/13/02
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Have you forbidden Mike from plugging it in?

Dave

Steve Dix

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Nov 13, 2002, 10:34:48 AM11/13/02
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On Wed, 13 Nov 2002 11:23:07 +0000, Stewart Ward
<Ste...@radius-intl.demon.co.uk> wrote:

>
> Save some dosh, be reliable and less weight!
>

Is that Dave or the amp?

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David Barlow

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Nov 13, 2002, 10:45:02 AM11/13/02
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Not sure I'd ever want to be reliable - less weight...hmmmmmm

:{)

Dave


adrianfoden

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Nov 13, 2002, 4:27:41 PM11/13/02
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> I

> jeans playing on their stage and promoting his CD at MusicLive.

Hrm... wonder who that was? I went to see a guy called Jamie Humphries in
manchester a few weeks ago playing through an MK50... could it have been him
at Music Live?

...the same Jamie Humphries was scheduled to do a clinic/demo/workshop thing
at MusicLive on the Friday afternoon but he didn't turn up.


David Barlow

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Nov 13, 2002, 5:23:33 PM11/13/02
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If it was blues based then it was probably Aynsley Lister. You'd have been
open mouthed at the playing if it had been Jamie.

Dave


Trev Ridney

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Nov 13, 2002, 6:44:11 PM11/13/02
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"David Barlow" <drba...@lineone.net> wrote in message
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> If it was blues based then it was probably Aynsley Lister. You'd have been
> open mouthed at the playing if it had been Jamie.
>
> Dave
>
Indeed, 'twas Aynsley Lister demoing the Cornford gear.

Jamie Humphries, meanwhile, was demoing the 'Fret King' guitars on Trevor
Wilkinson's stand. A fine guitarist, to be sure.

HTH,

Trev :)
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Nov 14, 2002, 5:42:28 AM11/14/02
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Trev Ridney <trevor...@spambegoneblueyonder.co.uk.> wrote:

> "David Barlow" <drba...@lineone.net> wrote:
>> If it was blues based then it was probably Aynsley Lister. You'd have been
>> open mouthed at the playing if it had been Jamie.
>
> Jamie Humphries, meanwhile, was demoing the 'Fret King' guitars on Trevor
> Wilkinson's stand. A fine guitarist, to be sure.

He's an astounding guitar player, with a tremendous tone, and what I've
heard of the stuff for the new album (he played some in Manchester)
sounds like it'll be well worth buying.

I wonder what he was doing demoing Fret King, given that he's a Music Man
endorser?

Waiting for an It Bites tour,

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Nov 14, 2002, 5:38:37 AM11/14/02
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Forgot to tell you Rick (and anyone else who is interested) - on the
Francis Dunnery list we have had some replies from Bob Dalton (IB
drummer). Apparently they have been using Jamies studio to work on the
live IB CD and DVD that is coming out, however he is quoted as saying
that JH is not going to be the new guitarist - but there is a chance of
live shows with FD in the future.

At least this was from the horses mouth but dont hold your breath!

I bet Jamie is a bit peeved if he's spent time learning all those
ridiculously easy solos.......

Dave
(who is spending today wondering which "brand" is most popular with the
nu-metalkids so I can follow the "hype" and select my next amp - <G>)


Steve at fivetrees

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"Stewart Ward" <Ste...@radius-intl.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
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> I'm being serious here. Come to Basingstoke and compare your amp with
> one of my twin channel Sessionettes... you *will* be impressed if you're
> a real player. And don't forget, we work with players like the
> Hellecasters. Save some dosh, be reliable and less weight!

Steady on, Stewart! I know your amps are good - your sound at the jam night
was by far the best - but I'm sure you didn't mean to imply that "real"
players only use tranny amps. Your post could be read that way...

FWIW - I've tried all sorts over the years, although for sure I haven't
tried everything - for instance I've not gigged with one of yours. But based
on my experience so far, for sheer simplicity and for the kind of tone &
response I'm after I do prefer *small* valve amps. Vive la difference! Each
to his own etc.

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icarusi

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Nov 13, 2002, 8:25:46 PM11/13/02
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Trev Ridney <mailto:trevor...@SPAMBEGONEblueyonder.co.uk>
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> Indeed, 'twas Aynsley Lister demoing the Cornford gear.
>
> Jamie Humphries, meanwhile, was demoing the 'Fret King' guitars
on Trevor
> Wilkinson's stand. A fine guitarist, to be sure.

I'd like to have seen that. I'm pretty sure it was Jamie
Humphries doing some very impressive 'fusiony' type stuff on the
'Guitarist' mag stand last year.

Stewart Ward

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Nov 15, 2002, 5:57:06 PM11/15/02
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In article <ar0bdb$btl$1$8302...@news.demon.co.uk>, Steve at fivetrees
<st...@deleteme-fivetrees.com> writes

>Steady on, Stewart! I know your amps are good - your sound at the jam night
>was by far the best - but I'm sure you didn't mean to imply that "real"
>players only use tranny amps. Your post could be read that way...

Steve, you know as well as anyone, that the English language leaves much
oportunity for creative twisting. If you want it to mean that, then it
allows you to do so. Your response certainly reads to me that you like
turning things around. Ever considered a career in politics?


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Steve at fivetrees

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"Stewart Ward" <Ste...@radius-intl.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
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> In article <ar0bdb$btl$1$8302...@news.demon.co.uk>, Steve at fivetrees
> <st...@deleteme-fivetrees.com> writes
> >Steady on, Stewart! I know your amps are good - your sound at the jam
night
> >was by far the best - but I'm sure you didn't mean to imply that "real"
> >players only use tranny amps. Your post could be read that way...
>
> Steve, you know as well as anyone, that the English language leaves much
> oportunity for creative twisting. If you want it to mean that, then it
> allows you to do so. Your response certainly reads to me that you like
> turning things around. Ever considered a career in politics?

Oh dear... sincere apologies for my part in this misunderstanding.

Stewart Ward

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Nov 16, 2002, 12:06:55 PM11/16/02
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In article <ar5pgi$k6i$1$8302...@news.demon.co.uk>, Steve at fivetrees
<st...@deleteme-fivetrees.com> writes

>> Steve, you know as well as anyone, that the English language leaves much
>> oportunity for creative twisting. If you want it to mean that, then it
>> allows you to do so. Your response certainly reads to me that you like
>> turning things around. Ever considered a career in politics?
>
>Oh dear... sincere apologies for my part in this misunderstanding.
>
>Steve


Let those others who have *never* created anything, do better than chew
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Ian Parr

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Nov 19, 2002, 4:19:36 AM11/19/02
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"David Barlow" <drba...@lineone.net> wrote in message news:<aqt44o$d4gdr$2...@ID-73510.news.dfncis.de>...

Have you tried Boogie's Bottle Rocket pedal with your Hurricane?

Ian.

David Barlow

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Nov 19, 2002, 12:08:08 PM11/19/02
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No I havent. I used to have a V Twin (a long time ago - cant even
remember what amp it was in front of). Do you have one? If so what do
you think....

I also noticed that Peter cooks have an offer on Zoom distortion pedals
at the moment (Ł45). Harmony Central seems to rate the Hyper Lead. May
be worth a punt at that price.

Dave


Adrian Clark

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Nov 19, 2002, 12:46:07 PM11/19/02
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Richard Brooks <Nobod...@deadspam.com> wrote:

> Has anyone played one of these amps?

Yes... did a demo in a recent Guitarist.

>
> Allegedly leave those naff MK50 things in the dust :-)

Not to my mind/ears... they're different (but equally good) beasts. I
found the Hellcat to be 'darker' sounding than the MK50, and even though
it has bags of gain, we got the best results on semi-overdriven sounds
(it's a twin-channel amp).


Adrian


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