OT: Help out a USAnian guitarist in Ireland
Peter R. Schmitt
This may seem an odd request, and an odd place to post it, as well,
but the extremely civilised tone of this group, and the abundance of IT
types who frequent same, made it a no brainer to ask you folks for guidance
for a friend of mine.
I've a bud who's an avid musician, and Network Admin wannabe who is
temporarily away from his Chicago origins, and seeking IT work in the Dublin
Area.
He's discovered what I'm sure all of you know can be a difficult hurdle
to surmount. All of the places he checks out want a CV; a rather foreign
concept to us Yanks; and everywhere he looks, there are bureaus, agents, and
recruitment types buggering the effort to approach an employer directly.
I suggested that perhaps a pub frequented by IT sorts would allow him
to get to know folks in the industry directly, thereby circumventing
the aforesaid obstacles.
Then it occurred to me.. you folks frequent pubs quite a bit. You'd
know both musician friendly establishments and IT friendly as well.
I'm posting here on his behalf, as he doesn't have readily available
net access except through cybercafes, and the cost is an issue at the moment
for him.
My friend's name is Gavin McLaughlin. His email is fifty...@hotmail.com
(guess that telegraphs some of his musical tastes, eh?) He's in the Dublin
area; Phibsboro if I spelled it correctly.
If some of you could be so generous as to afford him some tips in his
job search, or perhaps just wanted to jam (he's a fairly competent guitar
player), a pub of the flavor I mentioned above that he could hang out in and
get the lay of the land, or whatever, I would be most grateful.
He's a good egg, and quick to clue. He's got an MCSE (yes, he knows
it's shite, but his old employer paid for it. Ironically, he got it without
ever touching NT.) and really wants to learn-- BAD!
TIA, gang.
Now back to labouring at Widdle II yet again. I keep going all
Akkermann playing atop it, and I'm trying not do do that.
<sigh!> Maybe I should just surrender, and be done with it!
Pete.
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Mike Whitaker
>Greetings, all!
> He's discovered what I'm sure all of you know can be a difficult hurdle
>to surmount. All of the places he checks out want a CV; a rather foreign
>concept to us Yanks; and everywhere he looks, there are bureaus, agents, and
>recruitment types buggering the effort to approach an employer directly.
Um: CV == detailed resume. You have one, no? *grin*
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Peter R Schmitt
Whitaker) wrote:
> In article <slrn98c4o...@pete1.workgroup>, Peter R. Schmitt
> wrote:
>>Greetings, all!
>> He's discovered what I'm sure all of you know can be a difficult
>> hurdle
>>to surmount. All of the places he checks out want a CV; a rather foreign
>>concept to us Yanks; and everywhere he looks, there are bureaus, agents,
>>and recruitment types buggering the effort to approach an employer
>>directly.
>
> Um: CV == detailed resume. You have one, no? *grin*
I don't need one! I'm an independent operative.
Here in the US, though,
the anality and intrusiveness of the CV (if I understand the concept
correctly) is actually illegal, to a large degree. Employers like our
resumes to fit on but one page, for rapid perusal. My friend hasn't a
clue as to what is required over yon. As I said, my feeling is that his
best strategy in Ireland would be similar to what my counsel would be
here: seek out those in the desired field, and utilise their collective
interpersonal assets to connect directly with an employer's needs. If
anyone here has a superior way for him to accomplish his goal, both of us
would be delighted to hear it. Also, If there is a newsgroup better suited
to this sort of thing, any pointers would be greatly appreciated.
Pete.
Mike Whitaker
>I don't need one! I'm an independent operative.
>Here in the US, though,
>the anality and intrusiveness of the CV (if I understand the concept
>correctly) is actually illegal,
I could comment on what that says about the US legal system, but I;m
Too Nice *grin*
>to a large degree. Employers like our
>resumes to fit on but one page, for rapid perusal. My friend hasn't a
My CV fits on one page.
>clue as to what is required over yon. As I said, my feeling is that his
>best strategy in Ireland would be similar to what my counsel would be
>here: seek out those in the desired field, and utilise their collective
>interpersonal assets to connect directly with an employer's needs. If
>anyone here has a superior way for him to accomplish his goal, both of us
>would be delighted to hear it. Also, If there is a newsgroup better suited
>to this sort of thing, any pointers would be greatly appreciated.
My feeling is that any job that was worth hanging onto is likely to request
a CV as part of the interview process.
--
"I don't care. I have lots of ammo and he was wearing a TIE." Erwin (UF)
Mike Whitaker - mi...@altrion.org - ICQ# 105776248 Guitarist, filker & Perl hack
Brian Cullen
Peter R Schmitt <prsc...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> > Um: CV == detailed resume. You have one, no? *grin*
> I don't need one! I'm an independent operative.
Here in the US, though,
> the anality and intrusiveness of the CV (if I understand
the concept
> correctly) is actually illegal, to a large degree.
I'm not altogether sure if that exact activity is actually
illegal over here- but tell your mate to watch out for paper
cuts.
I'll get me coat
Brian
Ian Spencer
> Whitaker) wrote:
>
> > In article <slrn98c4o...@pete1.workgroup>, Peter R. Schmitt
> > wrote:
> >>Greetings, all!
> >>concept to us Yanks; and everywhere he looks, there are bureaus, agents,
> >>and recruitment types buggering the effort to approach an employer
> >>directly.
> >
> > Um: CV == detailed resume. You have one, no? *grin*
I think you misunderstand the CV, curriculum vitae, simply put, what you
have been doing in life. It is the thing that you call a resume only in
Latin (by that I don't mean that you need to write it in Latin, indeed there
are few jobs where this would be a bonus, only the Civil Service comes to
mind).
To fully explain the British concept of a CV is to take a couple of sides of
A4 (foolscap will not do, doesn't file neatly, instant rejection), then
extrapolate wildly from something which must have some small basis in fact.
e.g. looked over someone's shoulder using Internet Explorer => in-depth
experience of DHTML, XTML. If you have used a PC on the Internet, you can
claim experience of IP, TCP, TCP/IP, dial-up networking, RAS, DHCP and so
on. (A CV I saw last week for someone who had been out of college for a year
managed to claim XML, HTML, DHTML, HTML/XML, DHTML/XML, ODBC, ADO, ASP, SQL,
Access SQL, and managed to fill 10 or 15 lines with TLAs).
There are agencies called Recruitment Agencies that can do this process for
you without any knowledge or personal contact. They get paid a fortune for
this, it must indeed be a rare skill (sorry Justin!).
The interview is then the place where the employers' justify their cynicism
about this fabrication. Reality and ability may again have little to do with
this process. Ample breasts usually are the main factor in this process,
though this may count against your friend if male.
> I don't need one! I'm an independent operative.
We need them, but it sounds like we use CV where you use resume.
Ian
Jose I. de las Heras
>
> My feeling is that any job that was worth hanging onto is likely to request
> a CV as part of the interview process.
I second that. Besides, I always thought CV and resume were synonims...
In my experience, different countries have slightly different
conventions as to how to write and what to include in a CV... and one
should be aware of those, but it's hardly a decisive matter.
Jose
Anil Kumar
I actually live in Ireland (Dublin) and part own a Microsoft VAR so I think
I maybe qualified to speak on this:
First of, no-one, not even a bicycle messenger is hired by an IT/IS company
here without a resume/c.v. (exactly the same thing, I am a US Citizen,
raised in Philly).
He needs to get one together and send it either directly to potential
employers (e.g. Cara Computers, Entropy systems etc- they're in the book) or
recruitment agencies (positively hundreds also in the book).
As for bars to hang around in he can go to as many as he likes, there are no
IT/IS people bars anymore than are bars specifically for
Asian-American-jazzguitarists-who-only-wear
black-Calvin-Kleins-on-a-weekday. People go to bars here to get shitfaced,
talk crap and look at girls in short skirts, not to network, you're thinking
of New York.Besides which, if I or any other employer found out someone had
recruited someone to our company by meeting him or her in a bar, both
recruiter and recruitee would be given the opportunity to further their
careers elsewhere, possibly in the bar they met.
Bottom line:
Resume>employers/agencies>job
Bars>alcohol>hangover>possibly waking up with Spanish transvestite (laugh ye
not the lighting in some bars here is lousy)
Unfortunately my company doesn't need anyone in networking, we are a
software house and contract this out but he should have no problems getting
work here if his skills are good, the Irish love their American cousins so
he'll find that will help. If he needs help or advice on getting his resume
together, he's welcome to drop me a mail directly.
Anil Kumar
Sober-in-Dublin
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