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Richard Fromage

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Jan 3, 2005, 3:00:36 PM1/3/05
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XX0113

I'm helping a mate write a song.... playing it XX0113 then XX0111 (sort of
downsweep) sounds like the first 1.5 beats of the last lines in Ronson's
beautiful "Life on Mars" solo just before "It's on America's tortured
brow..." but probably in a different key.

So... what's the name of my mystery chord? Bet it's a "Doh!" when I find
out...

Thanks.

Ian W Pettigrew
East Lothian
Scotland


Rick Booth

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Jan 3, 2005, 3:12:55 PM1/3/05
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Richard Fromage <Fermet...@wanadoo.fr> wrote:
> XX0113

D Ab C G (and then D Ab C F, which is Fm6 or Dm7b5)

What bass note do you want with it? That's going to make a big
difference to the sound. If it is a D in the bass, I guess it's
D7b5sus4...

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Adrian Clark

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Jan 3, 2005, 4:38:02 PM1/3/05
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In article <33tmjqF...@individual.net>,
"Richard Fromage" <Fermet...@wanadoo.fr> wrote:

> XX0113


As Rick said, the bass note is going to make a difference... without a
clear bass note (or even better, a musical context) you have to rely on
previous musical experience.

To my ear, that chord is Bb13.


Adrian

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Steve Cobham

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Jan 3, 2005, 5:02:33 PM1/3/05
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On Mon, 03 Jan 2005 21:38:02 +0000, Adrian Clark
<real.addr...@yahoo.com> wrote:

>In article <33tmjqF...@individual.net>,
> "Richard Fromage" <Fermet...@wanadoo.fr> wrote:
>
>> XX0113
>
>
>As Rick said, the bass note is going to make a difference... without a
>clear bass note (or even better, a musical context) you have to rely on
>previous musical experience.
>
>To my ear, that chord is Bb13.

Yes, I sort of hear the Bb on the 5th string when I play it making the
Bbness even more evident. Although I also leave out the open D - it's
easier and not missed.

It sounds very Steely Dan-ish when stuffed (musical term) into a
sequence in F. I'm sure Don and Walt have used it in a song.

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Rick Booth

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Jan 3, 2005, 5:45:51 PM1/3/05
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Adrian Clark <real.addr...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> In article <33tmjqF...@individual.net>,
> "Richard Fromage" <Fermet...@wanadoo.fr> wrote:

> > XX0113


> As Rick said, the bass note is going to make a difference... without a
> clear bass note (or even better, a musical context) you have to rely on
> previous musical experience.

> To my ear, that chord is Bb13.

Having actually played it now, I agree entirely.

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JNugent

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Jan 3, 2005, 7:30:50 PM1/3/05
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Adrian Clark wrote:

> "Richard Fromage" <Fermet...@wanadoo.fr> wrote:

>> XX0113

> As Rick said, the bass note is going to make a difference... without a
> clear bass note (or even better, a musical context) you have to rely
> on previous musical experience.

> To my ear, that chord is Bb13.

Ditto.

It is a fragment of the full 6-string 13th chord: (eg, D13) 554557.


Richard Fromage

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Jan 4, 2005, 7:38:16 AM1/4/05
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"JNugent" <jnu...@ac30.spamfreeserve.co.uk> wrote in message
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Thanks - I'll go for Bb13 -- would the chords leading up to it, or the
entire key of the song have any bearing on it's name?

It's a lovely "ringing" chord (btw, the open D is the bass note) that adds
emphasis to the last couple of words in a line...

Think of, "and when no hope was left in sight on that starry, starry night"
that hangs just before, "you took your life as lovers often do..." In face
there are 3 chords that add that extra bit of "drama" in that Don McLean
song. I wonder if there's a musical term for this sort of 'tacet' effect?

Thanks to all you guys.

Ian P


Steve at fivetrees

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Jan 3, 2005, 8:39:25 PM1/3/05
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"Richard Fromage" <Fermet...@wanadoo.fr> wrote in message
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> XX0113

>
> So... what's the name of my mystery chord? Bet it's a "Doh!" when I find
> out...

Gertrude?

Steve
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John Snell

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Jan 4, 2005, 10:37:48 AM1/4/05
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Cos' you have D root it looks like "Dm7b5sus4" and then "Dm7b5". EEEK !!

But I would put them as "Fm9/D" followed by "Fm/D" (D being the root
note).
Hope i've been a little help

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Adrian Clark

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Jan 4, 2005, 11:19:47 AM1/4/05
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In article <cred8b$l7t$1...@sparta.btinternet.com>,
"John Snell" <g0...@btinternet.com> wrote:

> Cos' you have D root it looks like "Dm7b5sus4" and then "Dm7b5". EEEK !!
>
> But I would put them as "Fm9/D" followed by "Fm/D" (D being the root
> note).
> Hope i've been a little help

It's important not to confuse the terms "root note" and "bass note",
because they may be different. In Fm/D, the D is the bass note, but the
root is still F.

Torbay Tuition

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Jan 5, 2005, 5:45:41 AM1/5/05
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Ey Up !

Cos' you have D root it looks like "Dm7b5sus4" and then "Dm7b5". EEEK !!

But I would put them as "Fm9/D" followed by "Fm/D" (D being the root
note).

Hope i've been a little help.

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